back-to-back preseason recap-preview

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 20, 2007 5:28 PM CDT in News

Sort of half-watched the game, and it was pretty abysmal. Wallace was held out, Deng (mildly I hope) hurt his wrist early, and Gordon's still out. So you get lineups like Hinrich-Curry-Khryapa-Thomas-Noah, and thus lots of turnovers. Noah did his best Tyson Chandler impression, which was scary to see. Hopefully it was just a bad outing because I thought he had been doing a good job catching and finishing strong.

Tyrus also looked shaky at points, especially in a stretch guarding Andrea Bargnani where he was consistently baited into fouls or getting caught off balance. Ryan McNeill of HoopsAddict.com was credentialed at the game and kindly passed along to me this postgame quote from Tyrus:

"He is a tough assignment you have got to try and stop him from getting going because he is such a great shooter. He is just a tough assignment, but we have to do it when the regular season comes, so we have to get it done."

Ryan also gave me this from Skiles:

"We just didn't show up tonight in any real shape or form. I thought it was the most unprofessional we've looked so far. We were totally disorganized and the effort was poor. Basically everything we did was losing-type basketball which is something we don't normally do so back to the drawing board."

Eh, it's not as much losing-type basketball as it is just preseason basketball. But hopefully things at least look better tonight against the Pacers. Since it's a back-to-back I don't know how many real lineups will be seeing. Preseason is for Aaron Gray, not for me.

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I'm blacked out

of tonight's game. No NBALP either.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah....me too!

I'm listening online though...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Really?

I'm getting it on League Pass. They're not showing the commercials, but I'm getting the game.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions

What channel?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions

wjb - are you cable or DirecTV?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Dish

But I just realized that it's probably because I'm out of region - I haven't figured out all the blackout stuff yet, but from what I understand Bulls games shouldn't ever be blocked out down here. Mavs games may be, but I couldn't care less about that! :)

I guess this is the one time that living in the middle of nowhere works to my advantage.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Well I suppose Seattle could be considered

out of region....
But I'm blacked out too....

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Seattle, huh?

I grew up outside of Portland - my parents still live there.

Which part of Seattle?

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Which part of Seattle?

The rainy part.... :-)

North end.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh....and if you are DISH and not directv

that would explain something too...
Different feeds...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions

We had NBALP with Dish

last season but changed to Direct TV to get the Big Ten Network thinkng that Dish wasn't going to get it. I hope with Direct TV we aren't going to be blocked out of the Bulls games on NBALP. We can get most of their games on CSN and WGN but still I'll be pissed if we are blocked out on Direct TV.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Sue - it's on #752 now

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions

You are

lucky then. I get music and Direct TV logo.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

are you right by your pc?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions

strange that it is blakced out

when it shows the game on the ALP schedule, channel #752

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions

How are you

listening on line?

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

I've got

it on line now.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions

NBA.com?

Did you get my email?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

No I

didn't get your email. Yes on NBA.com.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions

click on my name

it'll show my email addy

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Got it.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Sue - watch my signature and write it down, okay?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions

huh?

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

actually, click on my name

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions

The problem with Funk/Wennington

is that it makes me nostalgic for the days of Funk/Paxson. However, I am not nostalgic for the coach or GM of the latter days of Funk/Paxson on the radio.

by KT on Oct 20, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions

Bulls are only up by 2 now

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions

I'm watching philly stomp boston

zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah, I was watching that earlier

and it wasn't very exciting.

Funny how preseason is so exciting when it first gets here, just to have basketball back in the news and all, and then about now it starts getting really old! I'm feeling ready for normal lineups and games that count.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions

All the crap about the sonics out here

and leaving for OK...really has ruined the basketball buzz around here and I'm not surprised.

I hate seattle sports.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions

Kind of ironic

I'm down in Oklahoma, so everyone here is psyched at the possibility of getting the team. I followed the Hawks and Ms growing up, but never liked the Sonics since Portland had the Blazers.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah...and I think that when the sonics come there

that Paul Allen is going to move his Blazers to Seattle, since he already owns the seachickens.

The Seattle Trailblazers....kinda has a fitting that's-what-ya-get-for-bein'-a-crappy-sports-town ring to it, eh? :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions

gooooo m's

by milesgmsu on Oct 22, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Hey folks - it's on #752 DirecTV now!

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions

Thanks so much

I'll be back after the game.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Okay girl

send me an email too.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Kirk seems to be getting knocked down a lot

tonight.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions

I'm getting the same, no commercial feed now too.

Reminds me of the old days or REAL satelite...when you NEVER got commercials and heard some of the FUNNIEST candid conversation!

:-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions

That would be awesome.

This music is getting really old!

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Gray looks pretty solid again tonight

and the Bulls are up by 11

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions

make that 16 pts up now

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions

But WGN's feed is having on/off issues

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions

Noc has a hot hand right now...

wow.

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions

Channeling his inner-BG

Good thing, since Kirk's shot is off tonight.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions

TT and Gray

look good tonight

by eross226 on Oct 20, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions

only 2 fouls so far

for tt. that's good considering his performance yesterday.

oh and all you still hatin on tt for taking his summer at home, he's still the youngest guy on the roster. It's going to take time for him to develop.

by brianmita on Oct 20, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, but the point is he could and SHOULD

have improved himself...

Just 'cuz he's young is no excuse, and the Bulls staff have been public with their unhappiness about it too.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah

I get you, but lets say that if Noah does next summer what tt did this last one, then I'd be very disappointed. The organization has to publicly call tt out, but I think that they understand that every player is different.

If TT doesn't do the summer work next year, then I'll be disappointed. I'm sure his teammates will too.

but if this game is a benchmark, I'm impressed that tt has gone twenty minutes and he only has 2 fouls. being humble about guarding bargnani is another good step toward tt being a complete player.

by brianmita on Oct 20, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions

The way I see it

you don't have the luxury - especially in this day and age with sports - to think casual.
You gotta try and win NOW - there is no tomorrow.
You never know what will or won't happen, and these guys make more than they ever have.

And the Bulls could really use him being more mature, if nothing else.

But that's just my opinion and nothing more.
It's not a right or wrong, and I see yours as well. :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah

:-)

by brianmita on Oct 20, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Either da Bulls are looking good

or the pacers look really bad...?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions

Anyone else having sat. feed issues?

mine is TERRIBLE tonight...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions

How many turnovers for Duhon?

Sheesh. Get him out of there.

by Freethefro on Oct 20, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions

I agree....Du looks stupid tonight....

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Who's had the best

preseason so far? I'd say Deng, except he's missed the last two games. Is it TT?

by alec on Oct 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions

gray?

n/t

by brianmita on Oct 20, 2007 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions

I know it's only preseason

but if they choke this one after being ahead by 20 it's not gonna sit well...
lead down to 8 now...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions

Sure be nice during the non commercial time

if instead of the stationary skycam view of the whole stadium, they would at least show the floor and a little of the LuvaBulls.... :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions

LOL

I get a blank screen that says "commerical break" and the same freaking music playing over and over! I'm seriously about to the stab-a-pencil-in-my-eye stage.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions

i'm not going to be polticially incorrect

and make fun of PNW

so ill just portray this pretend conversartion

me: Luvabulls?

me: woooof

by milesgmsu on Oct 22, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

fans are pissed and booing

no big macs again tonight and they SHOULD have gotten them...
Too funny!

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:00 PM CDT reply actions

JAMESON!!! HE's the hero tonight

for the big macs

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Nah,

JamesOn has already learned to make that Big Mac shot!

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah but that's his first time being THE guy.

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Even "play of the game" :-)

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions

True

Heck, give the rook the whole darn value meal. :)

Good to see him step up and make that one on a not-so-hot shooting night.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions

Since the beginning of the game was blacked out

I see or hear anything about Deng....did he play tonight?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions

I don't think

he played tonight.

Does anyone know what the black wrist bands are that the players were wearing tonight?

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions

I didn't notice

black wrist bands?

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions

My feed was

crappy in the third quarter but was much better in the fourth.

Did you get to see the Grease Lightening thingy with the players faces imposed on the actors bodies? Freaking hilarious. Noch was the lead (Danny) and Kirk and Big Ben were dancing out front.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 10:11 PM CDT reply actions

That cracks me up.

There's a clip of it on youtube somewhere - just someone who was at a game where they showed it, so it's crappy videocam quality - but enough to get the idea.

It was fun to watch the guys watching it.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions

They were

enjoying it. I would love to see it again. Some funny shit for sure.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Here's the youtube link.

Sorry - it takes me forever to get to stuff with stupid dial-up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPZ5LpvABt4

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 20, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions

dial-up

Do they still HAVE that? :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Thanks wjb.

Too funny.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, same here

and yes, I saw that greased lightening too....funny!

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:13 PM CDT reply actions

You have mail.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 20, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions

back at ya.... :-)

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Skiles on Comcast right now..

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by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:25 PM CDT reply actions

gah

I thought I had this game recorded (while I watched the Illni lose) but I must've imagined it. So no incites from me, sorry.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 20, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions

I must've imagined it

That's okay Matt - Bulls won UGLY tonight with (ouch) 31 TO's....
You didn't miss much after the first period.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Oct 20, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions

i was rooting for your illini matt

on that long and not fun ride back from columbus

by milesgmsu on Oct 22, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions

so, if we were to consider Bargnani an assignment

would it be better to classify him as "tough" or easy?

i need answers

by fireskiles on Oct 20, 2007 11:06 PM CDT reply actions

He's a tough assignment,

bigs aren't used to closing out all the way out the three point, and they're even less familar with a 7 footer that pump fake and dribble all the way to the basket. Bargnani's been lighting people up all pre-season. Tyrus and others have to close out with better technique, but Bargnani's good.

by Scotter on Oct 21, 2007 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions

Man anyone from Chicago?

Did anyone see in the begining of the game where Gray made this sweet fake give to Hinrich and then drive to the basket olny to get a charge? Then my question is, was Skiles yelling at Gray or the ref?Cause it seemed scary. Hinrich is a poor mans I don't know. He could go away and I wouldn't care a crap. That Bud Light ad was funny as hell. I'll take the stairs. Good shit. I love how Gray was joking with Wallace on his Harrison Block. Gray is sweet! Noah need to Bulk up! Nocioni looks cut!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 12:47 AM CDT reply actions

JamesOn has some handles.

BIg Ben with the crossover? Hahahah

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 12:50 AM CDT reply actions

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Shiiit!

Did anyone see the fat kid with the afro? It was his own hair! He looked like Chunk from goonies! With an afro! Ha!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 12:52 AM CDT reply actions

Tyrus Thomas can be so lazy on D.

Shhhhhit Gray rejected the fuck out of some dude!This kid is good.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 12:55 AM CDT reply actions

I hope whatever is going on with TT

doesn't carry over into the Reg. At times I think he is a retard. He should be shutting people down. They need to teach hime to watch the waist of the other player not the fucking ball.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:01 AM CDT reply actions

Then he jumps and your like

holly f'ing crap!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Little worried about Noah......

why does Tyrus spin like a spaz?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:05 AM CDT reply actions

2nd quarter is like watching

your grandma back her car out.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:09 AM CDT reply actions

Hinrich sucks Im sorry!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:13 AM CDT reply actions

I swear to god it just took

Kirk Hinrich an hour to see a wide open Noah. He's a bum.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 1:22 AM CDT reply actions

joejoe = Colossus

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 21, 2007 11:41 AM CDT reply actions

I was just trying to help out all the

people who didn't get to watch the game. I mean After the first quarter the game really put my ass to sleep.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions

But your

analysis leaves a lot to be desired and your hatred of Kirk gets old.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 21, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't hate Kirk.

I just don't think he should be the starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls. He would be a nice back up.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Guess that's

why you aren't the coach.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 21, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Sue thats your name?

Do you think he's a good point guard? Top ten?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 21, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Kirk's a top ten point guard

selected for team usa last year. elected captain every year since his sophomore year. maintins good shooting percentages. One of the top defenders at his position, often giving up half a foot in height to his opponents and keeping their percentages down. End of story.

by brianmita on Oct 21, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions

You can throw alll the stats you want at me.

He's inconsistant and in the playoffs he couldn't get his own shot off except for the one good game he had at Detriot. Hmmmmm wasn't Tyson Chandler also on team USA? Captain?Ok he's a decent guy who knows how to run all the plays. He gets in too much foul trouble.He doesn't create for other players which is what a point man should be doing. His passing is suspect. He played like crap for most of last season. Your brain washed! End of story!

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 22, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions

Another thing is

if he can't create for others then he better be more like A.I. rather than letting the shot clock wind down and dumping it off to BG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_pwLLUBUU

This was Kirk Hinrich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOCb7Y5gibE

He's not what he was.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsxBWdrWgNo&mode=related&search=

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 22, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

I think he

is a fine point guard. He works hard for this team. He's the best point guard on this team. I'm sorry you can't or won't see that.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 22, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Whatever your points or point is/are rather weak.

First you just think he is cute you have stated that before. Second Im sorry he can work as hard as he wants you can't change the way he plays. He can put muscle on all he wants.The Bulls need more than fine. Fine is like good or average. I want a great point guard. The problem is they are rare these days just like finding a true center. When was the last time Hinrich make a great pass to another player like a Nash or Kid? You never see that because he's a short 2 playing the 1. I played point for many years in high school and one year of college until I messed up my knee. It doesn't take much to see Hinrich is not a starting NBA point. He would make a nice back up on any team. But he hurts you. He can't guard and is always in foul trouble. Yeah he make some 3's now and then but if you watched the last preseason game you might be able to see my point. No pun. I don't understand why he gets a pass in this town. I'll never understand it. Yet guys like BG who has kept this team in games, is constantly in trade rumors.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 22, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions

the reason

you always see BG's name in trade rumors is because his trade value is HIGHER than Kirk's. It took me awhile to see it like that too, but it's more of a compliment than it is anything else.

If other teams (including the Bulls) thought that Kirk was a more valuable piece than BG, then you would see his name constantly in trade rumors.

Fact is, nobody wants Kirk. Sure a team would take him in a heartbeat, but nobody is trying to trade anything away for him. Teams always inquire about Ben because of the caliber player that he is.

Jerry Buss (and other owners) want someone who is instant offense, someone who has the capability to score 50 in a game...aka Ben. They don't want someone who may be decent and will only get them 15-20 a game with 5 assists.

by ScottieCartwright on Oct 22, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

the trade value for BG is higher than Kirk because

it's an attempt at a fleece job. ben's got huge upside, and he also is in his first contract. So for trade machine purposes, the bulls would have to sell the farm for making smarter draft picks than the team asking.

sorry. no dice.

by brianmita on Oct 22, 2007 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Your comment

that I think Kirk is cute is asinine. Obviously you didn't see any of the preseason games. Kirk has had some great passes. Sorry you missed them. It's clear you are just jealous of Kirk. If he is as bad as you think he is he never would have been asked twice to be on team USA. You are in the minority here. I guess we disagree on his value to this team.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 22, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I hate that word.

I did watch the last perseason game. He sucked. I don't think I have to even look at the perseason. look at some of Paxson and Skiles comments after the season ended. They finally said something abouthow Hinrich needs to get better than he is.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 22, 2007 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Sigh

What Pax and Skiles said was he needed to get stronger. In other words he needed to bulk up which he did.

The last preseason game? Hell they have all sucked at one time or another this preseason. You don't like him I guess you will have to live with it. He's not going any where.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 22, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions

it's an asinine comment

because the 94 in joejoe's refers to his birth year. at least, it does in terms of maturity.

sorry for the smack back, but JoeJoe, please don't insult one of the most respected posters here. it's rude.

by brianmita on Oct 22, 2007 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions

whatever you just wana get laid.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 23, 2007 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm not a huge Hinrich fan

either. (My first 5 or 6 posts here all had his name misspelled.) When I read about him from other than Chicago sources, I get a completely different picture of him than the one presented by the local sycophants. His defense is definitely not universally respected. He's considered too slow to guard other teams' PG's. He's considered too small to guard other teams' SG's--although he gets some sympathy because he's often forced into it due to BG's hopelessly inept defensive play.

He does get kudos for general grittiness, but he's also often characterized as a whiner. And even our home broadcast teams point out that he tends to hang his head and get discouraged when things aren't going his way.

Still, I see him as a decent role player, who, as long as he sticks to his role, is fine to have on the court.

by alec on Oct 22, 2007 10:56 AM CDT reply actions