Hollinger the scout
I kept the original thread intact to preserve the initial discussion while the Hollinger stuff was getting released. So, despite what the header says these are my words. -Matt
He's not just a numbers guy, and that comes through especially in his player projections. Here are some selections from these write-ups, as I walk the tightrope of content-theft with ESPN.
What's amazing about Deng's offensive game is how much more it can be improved. There is little or no trickery when it comes to his offense right now -- he rarely shot fakes and consequently has a very low free-throw rate for a scorer who drives as much as he does...also has almost no post game, which considering his size could be a great weapon in time.Most similar at age: Ricky Davis
Gordon's jumper is a thing of beauty...must improve creating shots for the other four guys. Although his skills as a scorer aren't in doubt, he doesn't see the court well and he tends to force passes into traffic, resulting in an unusually high turnover ratio for a jump shooter...still shoots predominantly going to his right and from the right side -- his left hand only touches the ball if it's thrown at him.Most similar at age: Rex Chapman
Hinrich made second-team All-Defense last season, which seemed a stretch -- big guards shoot over him quite often and there isn't much he can do about it...Offensively, Hinrich has become much better at finishing around the basket...Hinrich minimizes turnovers and his scoring more than makes up for the minor quibbles about his passing.Most similar at age: Sam Cassell
Thomas' physical skills are something to behold, and he could be an absolutely dominant defensive player in a very short time...As you might expect from a player this young (especially one as cocky as Thomas), he tried to do a lot of things [on offense] he couldn't...a great finisher around the rim but needs to learn to rein in his desire to take opponents off the dribble, a facet of his game on which his skills are decidedly unrefined.Most similar at age: Shawn Kemp
Sefolosha showed he has miles to go offensively... managed to finish in the bottom-10 at his position in both the rate of 3-point attempts and the rate of free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt -- nearly every player who is bad at one is good at the other, but he's a rare exception...doesn't need to be great because his defense and rebounding are so valuable, but he can't be firing the ball all over the gym and bricking 17-footers the way he did last season.Most similar at age: Lucious Harris
when he was healthy, Nocioni was as good as ever, firing more often from 3-point range...is starting to turn into a bit of a black hole...his trigger finger has become increasingly itchy...an outstanding team defender.Most similar at age: Mark Alarie
Predictably ('cause I'm a hater, of course), I have a quibble with the idea that Noc is an 'outstanding' team defender, and I'm curious if Hollinger merely used his high volume of charges taken as evidence. I also think Tyrus should attack the basket more than take jumpshots, but Hollinger suggests neither.
And don't freak out over the player comps, those are only the most comparable, there could be other more enticing comps that, while not the best, have a statistically insignificant difference to the best.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 2, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
insider = simmons archive
by hscs on Oct 2, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eastern Conference previews are up
by Big D on Oct 3, 2007 1:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not to put out the fire
by milesgmsu on Oct 3, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A trade is pretty likely
by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....
I like the versatility of this team, which is the deepest in the league. We might not have a superstar (yet), but we've got a few potential budding all stars in maybe Kirk, in maybe Ben, in most likely soon Deng, in maybe Big Ben, in maybe Tyrus Thomas, and maybe someday who knows Thabo and Noah.....
The depth is fantastic though, we've got several guys that can easily play multiple positions:
Kirk PG/SG
Ben G: SG/ and contrary to some here some PG
Luol: SF and maybe now SG and maybe some PF
Andres: SF/PF
Tyrus: PF and maybe some SF
Noah: PF/C
Of course I'm telling everyone here something they already know (since it's a Bulls blog for Chrissakes, but I'm used to writing on these big nba blogs, and besides I'm just excited for the preseason to start.
by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks mostly positive...
"expect Duhon to do much of what he did last season, playing 20 minutes or so a night behind Gordon and Hinrich. If so, he should be reasonably productive, and, at 25, he has a chance to surprise with his numbers if he spends more time at the gym and less in the VIP room."
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?statsId=3855
And he puts Lu's contract value at "about $70 million," which seems a little higher than what has been thrown around on here. No mention of an extension for BG in his preview. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?statsId=3824
by wjb1492 on Oct 5, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The $70m caught my eye too
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 5, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is interesting that Duhon's rep has
by Scotter on Oct 5, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duhon's still on the team?! Damn!
by GranvilleWaiters on Oct 8, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's some what validating to see alot
- Deng and his lack of offensive trickery. That struck me. With all the talk about 3-point shots and posting up, why hasn't there been talk about the simplest signficant thing Deng could add to his game. A pump fake. It would lead to drawing more fouls and driving more without actually needing to add new skills.
- One thing that makes the Hinrich/Gordon backcourt work so well is that Hinrich prefers to play on the left side and Gordon prefers the right side of the court.
by Scotter on Oct 5, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yikes
I've never noticed 2 before. I guess it isn't something I take note of. Hot zones confirm it.
by hscs on Oct 5, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nba.com hot zone fun
by hscs on Oct 5, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas's Hot Zone Map
by cubbybear on Oct 6, 2007 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Layups 1st, jumpers later
by Scotter on Oct 6, 2007 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 6, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
by cubbybear on Oct 6, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Yi profile:
"The Bucks' first-round draft choice is listed as 19 years old, but just because something is listed for official purposes doesn't make it true. For instance, Michael Sweetney was listed at 270 pounds last season; apparently they failed to record what happened when his other foot hit the scale."
by Big D on Oct 6, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
(Although one player released from last year's team was probably released because he was drinking too many micro brews while haning out in Beer City)>
by KT on Oct 7, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Tyrus, did anyone see the new
I can't link it because I am posting from my Blackberry, but basically Smith claims that Tyrus isn't a hard worker or a "willing learner." Moreover, according to Smith, Tyrus "disappointed" the Bulls by failing to work out at the Berto, which is contrary to other reports I read earlier this summer.
I don't know what the real story is, but I do know that Smith clearly has as anti-Thomas agenda because, like a 12 year old girl who didn't get asked to the winter dance, he is mad that Tyrus doesn't talk to him in the locker room. It gets old and hardly constitutes impartial reporting.
by 1958ChiTown on Oct 8, 2007 6:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a tad too much
"But players with that kind of talent often take shortcuts, and Thomas does."
Sweeping generalizations are rarely a good way to point out a flaw in an individual. Sometimes "talented" players just aren't that good at basketball too. What shortcuts are even available for Thomas to take?
by hscs on Oct 8, 2007 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it too
He's on the "whatever" list now: anything Greg Couch writes about Kirk, anything Sam writes about Ty, anything Matt writes about Noc... ;)
by wjb1492 on Oct 8, 2007 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas is most similar to Kemp?
by NittanyBull on Oct 9, 2007 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by preverbal on Oct 9, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so basically t-time is our best player
ricky davis...really? that's insulting
by milesgmsu on Oct 9, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember it's a computer system, it doesn't
by Scotter on Oct 10, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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