Trading Deng vs. Gordon

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 11:35 AM CST

So it looks like the proposed Gasol trade would come down to Deng/Gordon, Brown for salary purposes and our 07 first round pick. Baring discussions about whether it would be better to swap Hinrich or Noc since it looks like the Grizzles want Deng or Gordon, which one is the better trade for the Bulls? To me there are two criteria to consider: salary implications and rotation implications.

From a salary standpoint, which of the two is going to ask for more money in an extension this summer? Does Gordon think he is worth max money? Does Deng? Paxson might have had some leverage with both sticking around and using the argument that the Bulls need both to be effective and that taking a home town discount ensures both that they will be playing with each other. Assuming they get along well, and I have no evidence to dispute that, it seems like a plausible argument. With one of them gone, what's to stop the other from bargaining from a point of strength, especially given Wallace's and Gasol's big deals.

From a rotation standpoint, I think it is much easier to replace Deng than Gordon. Noc, Thomas, Khryapa and even Sefo seem like adequate replacements, although probably not the same combination of size and athleticism that Deng provides. On the other hand, I don't see anyone replacing Gordon's scoring ability at the 2 spot, or on the entire team, although Gasol's contribution at the 4/5 will offset that some and should make things easier for all the other spots.

So I guess in my opinion Deng would be the better choice.

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Deng or Gordon.

I would hate to see either player leave. I think Deng will be an allstar for many years to come, but if you take Gordon off of this team we would really lack a pure scorer.

So... I would say short term Gordon would hurt to lose. I don't think we win it all with out his scoring in the playoffs even with Gasol. Deng is so young and has shown so much promise with his work ethic. If I had to choose 1, it would be to lose Gordon.

I think we should push hard on Tyrus, "the pick", & Brown. Then take back a little more salary if we had too because it could kill the Bulls chances this year if Deng or Gordon wasn't here.

by Jesse07 on Jan 24, 2007 11:45 AM CST reply actions

other peices

i would push tyrus, 2nd round picks, future 1st round picks, salary by us, noch, thabo...anyway to keep deng & gordon

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 8:34 PM CST up reply actions

Thabo

Do you think that Thabo playing time recently could be highlighting him for a trade? I agree Duhon needed a few games to rest and get himself out of his slump, but Thabo's playing time makes you think.

I really like what Thabo brings to the table, but if Memphis last offer was "the pick", Tyrus, Thabo, & Brown. I would have to think very hard about that trade. We could always pick up a defensive minded player next year. Polished young, big, players like Gasol don't come available to often.

by Jesse07 on Jan 24, 2007 11:52 AM CST reply actions

Plus

It is evident that Big Ben needs a compliment to be effective night in night out.

by Jesse07 on Jan 24, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Gordon

While it would be great to keep both players, if one of the two mentioned nets Gasol, the deal needs to be done.

As to who should be dealt, I would rather see Deng leave. Luol is a solid player, but i dont see him getting that much better. Its easier to find a Deng than it is a Ben Gordon, a guard who score in bunches, atleast every couple of games he can, than it is a small forward who cant create his own shot, and scores off of screens and by cutting to the basket. Luol just has too many limitations that i dont see him being able to overcome.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 12:00 PM CST reply actions

Loul

Has only had 1 real NBA offseason and look what he has done. In the following years, he will bulk up even more, extend his range, and get a post game. He will get much better.

I do agree with you that Gordon might be harder to replace because the league seems to be full of 6-9 athletic small forwards with more coming in every years draft. I just think Deng ceiling is still on the rise.

by Jesse07 on Jan 24, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions

I agree...

I also feel like Ben Gordon has almost shown us everything he's capable of. If I HAD to choose one, I would send Gordon; he's pretty undersized, and I'm not sure if he'll ever be more than a really good shooter.

Deng is and will be a complete package.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

Neither.

I really don't think the Bulls can afford to loose either one of them.

Gordon and Deng are two of the youngest and brightest up-and-coming stars in the game today.

Gasol would be great to have, but then we're looking at 30-35 million per year between him and Wallace; two big men. With all the big men available in this next draft, I think it would be too hefty a price to get him right now. Thomas, Allen, and Kryappa will be around for cheap for a while. Having to sign extensions for the 'core' after this season, I just don't think the Bulls can afford him (Yes, I know it's not my money.).

The Bulls are spending 15 million a year on a 10-10 guy; a great competitor with an edge, but nevertheless, a 10-10 guy who is only getting worse.

I would love for the Bulls to get a legit low-post scoring threat, but not at the cost of handcuffing payroll for years to come.

What happens when Thomas or Sefolosha get extensions?

What happens when Deng or Gordon reaches their prime and want even more money?

On a side note: I've been pretty dissapointed with Ben Wallace so far this season. During yesterday's game, I was trying to figure out why Big Ben just hasn't looked like a 60 million dollar man...and I noticed something...

Other teams are really structuring their gameplans with Wallace in mind. I been watching the way other teams have played him of late, and I think containing him has really been a priority for them. The often pull their centers way up past the free throw line to open up the lane, and there have been many plays designed to keep him away from the basket.

Has anyone else noticed this? Am I giving too much credit to the other team's D?

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 12:02 PM CST reply actions

Tyrus

would be the best to lose. But if I had to pick between Deng and Gordon, this is assuming we don't get any player BUT Gasol from Memphis nor trade with another team this season, Deng would be my choice.

We'd still have Ty, Noc, Gasol, Wallace, Allen, Krap-ya, Sweets, and even Thabo (he can play SF allegedly) to be our SF/PF/C guys. Losing Gordon would leave us with Du, Thabo, Griffin, and Hinrich at PG/SG.

When dealing Ty, we could do a trade like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=130~996~99~2377~2175~3032&teams=4~4~29 ~29~29~29 and add in our 2007 first round pick, of course. I'm sure that isn't enough even though we're taking salary off their hands, but we could throw in someone else and/or take more salary off their hands (guys that are FA this year or next year).

Deng would need to be much less, but Old Man Winter of course, if they want our 2007 pick. Or we could include more talent and get someone else in return, not necessarily taking salary off their hands but good guys we could use even off the bench.

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 12:15 PM CST reply actions

The question was Deng or Gordon

To paraphrase an old professor of mine, RTFD...

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

I know what the fucking question was

And I addressed it in the second sentence. RTFC...

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Really basic question:

How do you guys insert links into your comments?

Thanks.

by Freethefro on Jan 24, 2007 5:24 PM CST up reply actions

Copy and paste

is the easiest way.

"all the girls loved BJ." -sue369

by Colossus @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

there's some formatting tips

here:

http://www.blogabull.com/story/2006/6/16/04932/5137

(Ironically I didn't use them when posting this link. If you just copy/paste, make sure comment box is set to 'Auto Format')

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 5:50 PM CST up reply actions

tough question

although one I've been thinking about. One thing I think we have to be clear about is that Gasol is better than Deng and Gordon ever will be to Bulls, thats the only reason you do deal.

Lose Deng
Pros -Noc can then start at the 3 and there are three 3 pt shooters in starting lineup Kirk/Gordon/Noc/Gasol/Wallace
The team depth is at forward

Cons - Deng and the 07 pick may both turn out to be long term great players.

Lose Gordon
Pros - repace the short backcourt with a taller one with Thabo and Griffen getting more mins, hopefully improve D.

Cons - Lose 1 player with ability to get own shot from outside and drives. Would need to address this in next draft / FA

As tough as it is, I would say if you want to contend to win the title in 07 or 08 the better player to trade for Gasol (or Garnett) is Deng. Not because Gordon is much better player then Deng, but just because on current roster Deng is more easily replaced at SF and Gordons 3 pt shooting will be hard to replace and even more helpful with low post threat.

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 24, 2007 12:38 PM CST reply actions

Gordon/Deng

You can make a great argument for keeping Deng, as well as you can for Gordon. At the end of the day, losing Deng or Gordon, while netting Gasol, would be great since in either scenario i see the bulls being the top team in the east.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 12:41 PM CST reply actions

There is no

guarantee that Gasol will make this team better. Think back to last summer when Wallace was signed. Look at the predictions that were made for this team this season and now Ben is a big disappointment to some. Be careful what you wish for.

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 24, 2007 12:48 PM CST reply actions

I agree.

It would be nice to have him, but sacrificing either our starting 2-guard or SF would be VERY risky. I would say it'd be overly risky for this point of the season. If we were 10 games below .500 right now, I could see it happening.

This group is still coming together, and I don't think a trade NEEDS to be done. If we can steal him for Old Man Winter, picks, and a couple other guys; go for it. But I don't think this team has played its best basketball yet, and Skiles is notorious for late-season winning streaks.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

re: i agree

Yes you are "sacrificing" a starting guard or a sf, but you are adding a great player who still has some good years ahead of him. Its risky not making a move, otherwise the Bulls will be a playoff team but nothing else. The safe approach is sitting back and waiting for the team to "come together" which if will happens, will not be a title team.

The team as is, is nice but wont do much come playoff time. A trade, like getting Gasol, NEEDS to be done to get this team a title.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 1:41 PM CST up reply actions

Oh dear prognosticator,

How could you possibly know that?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

I know that becuase

I just shat out what looked like a dirty spainard, so i thought it is was an omen the Gasol is the second coming.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks for confirming

I was curious if you had an explanation for the certainty you have regarding the future of the Bulls, but like I thought, you're just another idiot with a keyboard.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

No Problem

I guess reading enough of your comments the past few weeks have rubbed off on me.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions

I would...

agree with you if we HAD to win the finals THIS YEAR. But we don't.

Paxon wants to make this team a winner for a long time. With the young guys we have in place, it looks pretty reasonable to think he's on the right track.

If the Bulls don't get another big this year, they still have the draft and free agency for next year. Couple that with an emerging Tyrus Thomas, and the Bulls really aren't starving for talent in the front court.

You may be right in that the Bulls need to get over that hump of being just a 'playoff team' and not a title contender...but the Bulls have shown that they can beat good teams, and they are only getting better. If they stand pat, I wouldn't count them out in the playoffs. Remember, the addition of Wallace was supposed to be that final piece to make these guys a contender...

Side note: Remember how long it took for Wallace to fit into the gameplan? (I'm pretty sure he's still trying...) If and when the Bulls get Gasol, it's going to be that all over again, but with one less 'core' member who we can count on (Deng or Gordon).

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

Um

Gasol not only does that for this year, but the next few years as well. Talk about the Gasol trade being risky, relying on a knick tank job and Tryus to emerege as a star is way more risky than pulling the trigger for Gasol, who you know exactly what you are getting.

I just dont see this current team getting over the hump, of course barring Tyrus becoming a star in a few years, they are a jump shooting team and not one player can consistently draw a double team.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

Re: There is no

There also is no guarantee that Gasol wont make this team better, or better yet, that this current team will make the playoffs. Yes lofty predictions were bestowed on this team, but who cares, its just a prediciton. Sure lots of people thought Wallace would be a huge addition, i never did, but Gasol is better than Wallace, he is an instant impact player.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

Eye-yigh-yie...

You're right. There is also no guarantee that upon being traded to Chicago, Gasol's plane doesn't crash into Lake Michigan and he is rescued by mermaids.

"Yes lofty predictions were bestowed on this team, but who cares, its just a prediciton."

Uh...kind of like you're prediction that he will be an instant impact player? Or like...the tens of thousands of predictions that web-sites like this are directly intended for?...

You're right, predictions are stupid. Let's settle on cold hard facts like, "Gasol is better than Wallace."

Oh wait...that's a broad generalization that could be argued to the end of time...hmm...

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

My God

Yes these web-sites are intended for predictions, all i was saying is at the end of the day they mean nothing. I was never saying I dont like them or make them, just who really cares at this point in the season.

All im trying to put across here is, that in MY OPINION, this team needs to get a star, whoever that may be. I dont see that player on this team, the opportunity to get a star is small, and when one like Gasol comes around I would rather jump on it than pass it up, of course by making a fair deal. If they dont get Gasol or someone this year fine, I will happily watch and hope the team grows into a title contender. Thats all, sorry for getting into a big pissing match over this, though that is what these web-sites are for. But it is fun to get into these firery arguements with other Bulls fans.

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

Pissing match?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

...But I can go about 10, 11 feet.

Beat THAT.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

Nice

But can you write your name in cursive in the snow

by moosejaw on Jan 24, 2007 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

Not in cursive.

But in Comic Sans.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

if i were to dribble

it would go 15 feet....

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions

sure there is

he's flying from memphis....why would he be over the lake?

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:22 PM CST up reply actions

Neither

I don't think Gasol is appreciably better than Gordon or Deng this season.

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions

he might not be

but he is better than our current power forward or center. If he wasn't, we wouldn't be considering trading for him.

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

ummmmm, o.k.,

what part of it did I say that he wasn't better than any bulls pf/c?

But it is true that he would be better at partying with dirk, nash, and cuban when they come to town.

I have read the interview of Marca to Mark Cuban. The owner of the Mavericks is unique, certainly brilliant type and is truth that we went out one night during the All Star with Steve Nash and Novitzki. We had fun ....it was a long night, with a limousine and many others `'cracks''. The following day was hard but it was worth while. It flatters to me that he said that he would like to file me.

http://www.paugasol.com/index.asp?tid=1&cid=68&did=66434

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

what powerforward or center?

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:24 PM CST up reply actions

Gasol vs

PER
Gasol 25.6
Gordan 19.5
Deng 18.9

Stats are above. Points to Gasol being better than anyone on the Bulls. Gordan can score and Deng is multitalented but Gasol is 7 footer who can score in post, draw double teams and has averaged 8 rbs and 1.8 blocks in his career

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 24, 2007 3:10 PM CST up reply actions

You have to take...

into account the age/experience difference.

In three years or so, I would argue that Gordon AND Deng could be over 25 PER.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 3:13 PM CST up reply actions

I doubt that

there are only 4 guys in the league over 25 right now. Probably over 20, but 25 is a reach. Pippen had 7 seasons over 20 but 23 was his high.

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 4:04 PM CST up reply actions

maybe

BG and Deng will continue to improve, but neither will be a 7 fter with post skills. Which position is easier to fill has to be in Bulls minds.

And in 3 years, Wallace may no longer be an impact player. The Bulls would make the deal because they are trying to win now. If you have lineup of Kirk/BG/Noc/Gasol/Wallace that may be enough to reach finals this year and next

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 24, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions

I think we can give up on the win now

because of Ben Wallace argument. We have to stop thinking of Wallace as anything, but a marginal improvement over Tyson Chandler. Wallace isn't going to greatly effect our championship potential in one direction or the other.

by Scotter on Jan 24, 2007 4:25 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think Bulls think that

I highly doubt the Bulls management are already going to give up on Wallace helping them to win championship. There is a lot of $ tied into Big Ben and looking more then 3 yrs down road is very risky

Notice I say NBA finals, not winnig championship, there are teams in WestConference Bulls may never be favorite against no matter what moves are made the next yr or 2

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 24, 2007 4:29 PM CST up reply actions

What makes you think

that Wallace leaving 3 1/2 years from now is going to impact, whether the Bulls can get to the finals? If the Bulls get to the finals. He already is only fourth or fifth most important Bull.

by Scotter on Jan 24, 2007 5:01 PM CST up reply actions

what

I think Wallace is important cog if Bulls are going to make finals. They need to be able to guard and rebound on the block. I would think Bulls management still sees him as important piece.

His leaving whenever doesn't impact finals 5 years from now but if they want to build around Wallace now then they might consider adding Gasol - that was my point

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 24, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions

2 key points

He is an improvement over tyson...no matter how small for as little money extra as it was, he is a sizable improvment.
taking him from det crippled a division rival

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:25 PM CST up reply actions

Gordan Giricek

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

stats are nice . . . .

but can anyone on this board actually provide a real scouting report? Has anyone paid attention to the Grizzlies in the last few seasons? Is there any reason to think that production would be the same in the Bulls offense? That his presence will be that much better than Deng or Gordon this year or next? Or that he would be able to fit into the bulls defensive scheme?

these aren't rhetorical questions, I'm genuinely wondering.

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 3:18 PM CST up reply actions

what are you looking for?

do you want skiles or paxson to come on here and say it's ok to consider trading Deng or Gordon for Gasol? Didn't they say that in the paper this morning? If Gasol was a stiff, they wouldn't even consider it. And yeah, those are rhetorical questions.

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 3:29 PM CST up reply actions

again, I don't know what you are talking about

how you read my comment to mean I hadn't read the article or that I thought Gasol was a stiff is beyond me. And, there is so little to what they said or any real analysis of Gasol out there that I don't know how you can't have any more questions about it.

So far only one person has even commented that they have regularly watched Gasol, and that was the "In Memphis" dude.

For right now, I'm not necessarily willing to accept that Gasol will be worth giving up Gordon or Deng this year. If someone would step up with more knowledge of Gasol, that would be appreciated.

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 3:37 PM CST up reply actions

Well...

I was at the Memphis game here in Chicago a couple weeks back, and I watched him pretty closely then...

1- He gets to the line a decent amount, and is fairly good at free throws (at least his form looked good).

2- Those times he got to the line, he had a little trouble finishing the plays; mostly two shots.

3- He really bothers people with his size. I mean, the Bulls looked pretty fearless at times (Deng in particular), but I could see how having him down low would alter someone's shot, or even make them second guess before they went in there.

4- Good rebounder, but plays with a lot more finess than strength. He's a big guy, but he's not gonna box out someone like Shaq or Dwight Howard.

5- He seemed to run the court pretty well, and they ran a LOT of their offensive sets through him. (Obviously, since he's pretty much all they've got)

That's all I got.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 3:44 PM CST up reply actions

now that's what I'm looking for!!!

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions

Funny

having four years in the league and his PER never being below 20 and continuing to rise told me pretty much the same thing.

So basically because some disappointed, disgruntled fan came on here and said he chain smokes, you needed someone to counter by telling you he's a good christian young man who brushes his teeth twice a day?

If Gordon suddenly came out and said he needed to be traded to a team with a legitimate low post scorer so teams wouldn't double team him so much and he didn't have to carry this team anymore, I think we'd all bash him too. Wouldn't make him any less of ballplayer though.

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions

my caveman mind can't understand your nonsequiturs

if we are in a debate here, I have no idea what it's supposed to be about. Just because someone has a high PER, doesn't mean the bulls have to trade for him. Are you saying the Bulls should have traded Luol Deng for Chuck Hayes at the beginning of the season? I don't think you would, just like the other ridiculous arguments you somehow think I am saying.

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 24, 2007 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

Hate to self-promote,

but, uh...

My 10% observation/90% research Gasol thingy is here.

A little more than PER is evaluated. It's my first and last self-promotion ever here.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 4:53 PM CST up reply actions

wow

PaxJax has a blog. this almost warrants its own diary.

by bullshooter on Jan 24, 2007 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

teehee

yup, I think we should all make note of this historic occasion. :-D

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 6:01 PM CST up reply actions

Paxy...

how come you never told us...as much crap as i (try to) give you...ya know i love ya...

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:29 PM CST up reply actions

The thing that I remember most about that game...

was watching Gasol's shot sail into the first row of the crowd after Tyrus swatted it.

I am not saying that Gasol is a bad player because of that one play, obviously. I am just saying I loved that block.

It was the highlight of an otherwise boring blowout.

Other than that, I kept trying to sneak peaks at the TV's in the press box to see whether the Saints or the Eagles were winning.

(P.S. Bear Down, Chicago Bears)

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 24, 2007 4:18 PM CST up reply actions

are you kidding?!?

his FT stats are decent...but he was godawful that night if i recall correctly

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:27 PM CST up reply actions

Gasol is PER is a career high

and mostly driven by a 57.3 FG%, which is much higher than his career FG%. It also based on only 20 games this season. His 22 PER over the last few years is still better than Deng and Gordon.

by Scotter on Jan 24, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions

All right...

I changed my mind. We should get rid of Gordon. He's a 2-dimensional player who does nothing but shoot. But if we DO get rid of him, we NEED to keep Nocioni.

Gordon, PJ, Nicks pick. That should be plenty for Gasol.

Ben Gordon = Trade Bait

by raalickeller on Jan 24, 2007 4:22 PM CST reply actions

OK

I've read all the posts. Here's the breakdown.

Gordon. He cannot. I repeat cannot be traded due to the reliance of our offense on his scoring whether starting or off the bench. Gordon is not only a scorer but a clutch scorer. A season or two ago the leading scorers in the 4th quarter were Kobester, The Lebrons and Gordon. Enough said.

Deng. Our biggest depth on the team is at small forward. Replacing Deng with Nocioni, Khryapa, Thomas, Griffin, and Sefolosha production will be made up. Deng will be a great player an all-star even but will never be a superstar.

Gasol needs to be acquired for one or the other not both. I'd consider Hinrich in the right deal as well.

by bulls4LARGE on Jan 24, 2007 6:44 PM CST reply actions

Good thing

you aren't running the show then.

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 24, 2007 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

damn it this is hard...

I hate to be in paxons shoes right now. Everything has its pros and cons and theres no real way of knowing which move is gonna help the bulls. Only the future holds that answer. I would really like to see gordon and deng remain bulls members. But i guess everyone here feels that way. If one of those two had to be traded, i would want to see deng gone. I think because we have alot of players who can fill that forward position. Sure none of them has the pottential and ability deng has, chapu has his own abilities, but they are more of the opposite of dengs (shooting threes, uber confident and relentless playing of defense and offense, not to mention that fearless charge taking ability). I think with gasol we wouldnt need a slasher really, ben gordon can usually attack the basket pretty well, and gasol can do some good post playing. So i would rather see deng leave....if i had to, but hopefully we wont see anyone leave.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 24, 2007 7:45 PM CST reply actions

my last argument to kepe deng (and gordon)

i had my beloved tyson jersey...obviously had to get a new one...and if i have to get a new jersey because htey trade deng...im going to be furious...

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions

Alright I've heard enough, time to chime in :-)

Deng's loss is in no way made up for by any of the other players on the roster. The thought of Gordon and Noc as the starting 2/3 is just a bad fit. Think of all the great wings in the league, and neither of those guys can even think of guarding them. They'd be just so unathletic and get carved up. Griffin may be the only true 3 left, as Khryapa/Noc/Thomas are all 4s.

I think we're all in agreement that the preferred way is to give up neither, and instead offer Tyrus Thomas.

But IF there was a choice between Deng and Gordon, I keep Deng and then trade Noc for another two with 3-point range, like Mo Peterson. I just don't see Noc having any significant role on a team with Deng and Gasol, so resigning him would be silly anyway.

Either way, I tell West to shove it and either trade Gasol next month to us, or hold on on to him. Because Tyrus Thomas, a lottery pick, and immediate cap relief is going to be far and away his best offer.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply actions

A little Twist

So Kirk stays, but we have to give up Gordon PJ Sweets and picks? A little too much in my opinion. But, maybe we can work something out with one of the best GM's ever Jerry West. So the Mike Miller idea got shot down pretty quickly, and maybe just maybe everyone was right. But how about this; Pau,Hakim Warrick, and Eddie Jones! Everyone forgets about steady Eddie. Bulls wanted him BIG TIME when he was a free agent about 6 years ago, and I think he's got another 4 good years in him. Wait, where did we here this before? Oh yeah Ben Wallace. And could you imagine our future with Tyrus and Warrick in the same frontcourt! We would have to reinstate the headband rule becuase these guys need to protect their heads from the UC backboards. But Eddie with playoff experience, nba champion, is too often forgotten. Are they crazy enough to go for this deal?

by DannyRange on Jan 24, 2007 10:06 PM CST reply actions

Are you joking?

Or half joking?

Eddie Jones is finished, and Memphis isn't parting ways with his expiring $90 billion contract.

I think you're joking.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on Jan 24, 2007 10:10 PM CST up reply actions

I think so too :-)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 10:14 PM CST up reply actions

E Jones

Just hit a 3 and 2 free throws to put away Utah. You sure he's done? Guys got a point about the contract, but how much would BG command next season

by DannyRange on Jan 24, 2007 10:45 PM CST up reply actions

guh

'a point about the contract'.

that is THE point. getting him and Gasol is impossible, they can't match all that salary.

Now Jones will likely be waived, so perhaps the Bulls can pick him up for nothing after that happens. But he can't be traded here now.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 11:11 PM CST up reply actions

Utah aint done yet

by DannyRange on Jan 24, 2007 10:47 PM CST reply actions

Eddie just put em away for GOOD!!!!

WHAT A GAME. IF YOU MISSED IT, WATCH SPORTSCENTER!!!

by DannyRange on Jan 24, 2007 10:49 PM CST reply actions

where were you watching the game

by milesgmsu on Jan 24, 2007 11:33 PM CST up reply actions

likely anwhere

league pass is free this week

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2007 11:34 PM CST up reply actions

Gasol talk

I am exhausted. This has been a long couple of days for me. Nothing is going to happen soon. We will be stuck in a lock out between Jerry & Pax for atleast 2 more weeks. Im done. Talk to everyone again Feb. 12th.

by Jesse07 on Jan 25, 2007 12:13 PM CST reply actions

wait some more

deadline is the 22nd.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 25, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions

Deadline

I know. The 12th will be the earliest that anything will happen. There is to much posturing going on now. The week before the deadline I will allow myself to comb the internet, newspapers, and telegraphs for more trade info, but until then I cannot physically do it.

Atleast all this speculation has taken some focus off of the Bears Superbowl run. I wasn't sure how I was going to fill the two weeks between games. There is nothing like good trade rumors to take up my time.

by Jesse07 on Jan 25, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions