Gasol - this may have some legs.
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 11:10 AM CST
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[From the Diaries. Man I hope Gasol is truly on the block, as it's becoming less and less likely Garnett will be. Plus as we've theorized before in this space, Gasol may be a more desirable target due to his age, contract, and trading price.
Oh, and GO BEARS!. I'm channeling my inner 'we don't get no respect' Bear when I say this, but a win would be sweet to shove in the faces of the ESPN dopes and all those who think this game is owed to the Saints because their city is wet. -Matt]
Sources throughout the NBA disclose the 7-foot Gasol, an elite post-up performer, as tough a cover as there is within 15 feet of the rim, suddenly is eminently obtainable. Distressed at management's rebuilding-with-adolescence mood, the 271/2-year-old has asked to be traded to a playoff-positioned ensemble that, of course, would be instantly transformed into a legit title contender.The offended Grizzlies aim to oblige.
I put this out there with utter certainty. Infallible informers report Grizzlies president Jerry West has explored prospective trade arrangements with at least three teams regarding Gasol. In order to protect my sources, the only one I'm willing to identify for the time being is the Bulls.
That may be enough. Obviously, Gasol's low-dock dealing (averaged 18.5 points on 50.5 field-goal accuracy his first five seasons as a pro before missing most of this season due to foot surgery) is what Chicago's off-shore drilling outfit needs.The Bulls also own what Memphis wants, namely Luol Deng ($2.6 million) and Ben Gordon ($3.86M). In order to satisfy salary/transaction specs, Chicago would have to include P.J. Brown ($8.56M). I'm told the Grizzlies are prepared to add Hakim Warrick ($1.2M) to a pot that so far does not include draft picks; Gasol currently is on the books for $12.8M and is owed $63M over the next four seasons.
That's as far as the exchange of ideas has progressed, so I'm told. As enthralled as Bulls vice president John Paxson surely must be by the opportunity to fill his team's lone conspicuous cavity, people in the organization claim he won't pull that particular trigger.
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Here' s the most interesting part:
""Giving up Gordon and Deng would be very difficult," a Bulls insider insisted. "John will never go there. Not even if Scott Skiles and the rest of the coaching staff is beating on him to make that swap, which isn't the case."
As rapper DMX woofs, "Bad decisions lead to last decisions." Parting with the pair might prove to be just that bad, the same Bulls insider feels.
"Does Pau get you to the promised land minus both those players? We doubt it. He's an All-Star-caliber player, no question. But we're not sure he can be the best player on a playoff team expected to accomplish something significant," the insider said."
by Big D on Jan 21, 2007 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This rumor is coming from
It's bullshit.
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Post is a very respectable paper
by Big D on Jan 21, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Post is about as accurate as
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vescey at least works real sources
Sometimes Vescey's right...but he's wrong a lot too. Maybe I just want him to be right in this case.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2007 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right about
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just want him to be right about
I think the 'Bulls insider' response about Gordon/Deng was pretty predictable.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Deng?
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 11:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ehhh Deng and Gordon?
Gordon
Sefo
Nocioni
Gasol
Wallace
I don't know? The NBA is uninteresting right now. To me atleast. I haven't watched a full game in months. Yeah I think the Bulls do need to change course maybe. All in all I'd rather see Hinrich go then Gordon.
by JoJoEnglish94bulls4ever on Jan 21, 2007 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ugh
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not just refer to him as
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you dont watch games
by milesgmsu on Jan 21, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why was that
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2007 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way can we give up Deng AND Gordon
by Big D on Jan 21, 2007 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i shit fairies before paxson gives up on deng
by NittanyBull on Jan 21, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like trading deng and Gordon
by tal1286 on Jan 21, 2007 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There may be more to come
"But don't misunderstand; this negotiation is only in its infancy. What's more, now that Gasol's availability is public, the bidding for his services figures to take a quantum leap."
Maybe the Bulls get give up some draft picks and Nocioni to get Gasol.
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The last Gasol diary
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The trade suggestion
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it may not work
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think if we're not going to trade a core member
by milesgmsu on Jan 21, 2007 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noc is pretty expendable
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of taking more salary
Feel free to scrutinize this one. Honestly, who would rip an old trade idea?
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and the Knicks' pick is included
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful...
by ChrisRobin on Jan 21, 2007 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 21, 2007 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK RIGHT GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't give up Deng or Gordon
by bullshooter on Jan 21, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As the trading deadline approaches - - -
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hi from spain
Bulls can get a good pair with wallace and gasol so i hope the trade is finally made (i think gasol hopes too) but giving both deng a gordon is not necessary
by spainisdifferent on Jan 21, 2007 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hi to Spain - tell Pau we need him in Chicago
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng AND Gordon
Getting Gasol would be great, but not to the point of creating other holes. You get rid of Gordon, and back court scoring is going to take a huge dive.
by nas on Jan 21, 2007 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noc, Sefo, Victktor, PJ and the Knick draft pick
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
gasol
by Sambossanova on Jan 21, 2007 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I think Memphis just had to aim high. You always do. I think giving them Brown, Gordon, and the Knicks pick should work.
The draft pick is more and more looking like its gonna be a late lottery pick and I don't think the backcourt will suffer that much. We will be better defensively. Hinrich would be giving the green light to take more shots, which isn't a bad thing. Sefo would allow us to get nice size back there for once.
Oh and remember. Griffin DID start in the Finals last year.
Hinrich
Sefolosha
Deng
Gasol
Wallace
With Noc coming and Du coming off the bench. To me, this team would resemble Dallas a whole lot but with some great defense.
Terry/Hinrich
Deng/Howard
Gasol/Dirk
Dampier/Wallace
Stackhouse/Noc
by Option27 on Jan 21, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever happened to
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 3:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Da Bears are back......
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
injured
by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 22, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MOTHERFUCKER SON OF A BITCH
Looks like Urlacher could out-run Bush in a sprint though.
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
B Wallace, Gasol and TT together
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about Deng - -
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't guess so
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Pau say
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we get lucky
by chgobr on Jan 21, 2007 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They won't deal him for peanuts
by Colossus on Jan 21, 2007 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get this straight.
- He wasn't mentioned in the article.
- He's relatively expensive, so including him in the trade goes completely against Memphis' motivation to do this.
by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 21, 2007 11:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hi again
or/and team where he can be all-star again in second(and that's quite easier in the east).
now gasol is in loser team and play all-star game with duncan, garnet, stoudemire, yao, nowitzki ... is very very difficult.
by the way the only rumour that has appeared in the news in the last months was boston (it was said that boston offered anyone for gasol).
by spainisdifferent on Jan 22, 2007 1:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I say we give up.
That leaves us
Hinrich/Sefalosha
Gordon/Griffin
Deng/Khyrapa
Gasol/Thomas
Wallace/Sweetney
The bench isn't that great, with only Sefalosha and Thomas being the only above average talents, but that starting 5 could win the title.
by PGHcager on Jan 22, 2007 4:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it is in the newspaper
according to marca.com the trade could be gasol and warrick for gordon, deng and pj brown
by spainisdifferent on Jan 22, 2007 5:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sam Smith has it in the Tribune
by chgobr on Jan 22, 2007 6:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Memphis Commercial Appeal view
The 7-footer wants out of Memphis.
Given Gasol's play and the feelers his agent, Arn Tellem, have lobbed around the NBA recently, the Grizzlies are suddenly forced to consider their future without someone they've deemed the franchise player.
Gasol made trade overtures before and after Mike Fratello was fired, according to team insiders. The Spaniard dodged the question when asked Sunday if he's demanded a trade at any point this season.
"I don't want to comment on that right now because I don't want it to be a distraction to me or the team," Gasol said. "It's not beneficial to anybody. Whatever happens is yet to be seen."
Reached Sunday while traveling, team president Jerry West acknowledged a reported conversation with the Chicago Bulls.
West characterized the discussion as cursory to reveal Gasol's availability on the trade market. Bulls general manager John Paxson, however, never mentioned players that he would offer for Gasol.
"The conversation was brief," West said. "But we're not giving him away. This franchise won't give him away. Period."
Gasol, who has four years and more than $60 million left on a maximum contract, is one of the few skilled post players in the league. Still, a Gasol deal with the Bulls could be consummated if they were willing to part with guard Ben Gordon and forward Luol Deng.
Even Griz majority owner Michael Heisley softened his past stance on keeping Gasol, saying he seconded West's sentiment.
Gasol, like anyone on the roster, can be had at the right price.
"If we trade Pau we're looking to substantially improve the team for the future or we would be looking to get more picks in this draft," Heisley said. "If we can improve the team, we would trade Pau. But there's a difference when you've made up your mind like with Jason Williams and Bonzi Wells. Pau Gasol is not available in that sense. I don't make trades. But if Jerry came to me with a trade that would improve this team, Pau will be traded. Jerry is always exploring possibilities."
Heisley also had this message for potential suitors.
"If you think Pau is on a fire sale list, you're crazy," Heisley said. "I like the young man a lot. There's no question he's the only franchise-type player we've got. ... Whether you trade Pau or not depends on what's brought to you."
Privately, the organization is growing dissatisfied with the effort Gasol has brought to work. The perception is that Gasol's lackadaisical defensive and rebounding performances coupled with inconsistent offense are by design to emphasize his desire for a trade.
Asked his thoughts on the team's direction, Gasol sounded concerned.
"I don't really know the direction of the franchise," he said before adding that he ultimately wants to play for a winner.
"Everybody wants that," Gasol said. "Personally, to me, it's really important to be in that situation and have a chance to grow."
by chgobr on Jan 22, 2007 7:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
gasol
by Sambossanova on Jan 22, 2007 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure about Gasol's defense - -
by chgobr on Jan 22, 2007 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I WANT HIM!
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I sedond that!
Although, I would love to see Noc and Pau talking trash about an Arenas or Billups (in spanish) on the court together.
by Scott 9 on Jan 22, 2007 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
should read "second that"...
by Scott 9 on Jan 22, 2007 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
History of Big Mid Season Trades
This year we already have one major midseason trade in Iverson. That one is interesting, but I don't think it makes them better than Phoenix or the Mavs.
by GWKD on Jan 22, 2007 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Iverson
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's no help. again, the question is . . . . .
by GWKD on Jan 22, 2007 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In recent memory
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 22, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks.
But I think team chemistry is so important in basketball that signing a star who would now be the focal point of the offense and defense could set the team back, at least initially. And it's no guarantee that the Bulls can get a title this year.
But, if it helps them get a title next year, then I'm all for it.
by GWKD on Jan 22, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Rudy Gay
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what memphis really wants and what they can get
I think it(obviously) comes down to if the grizzlies will ahve any better options and what gasol wants. Hopefully theres not much of a market for the grizz and they will be looking for savings. Otherwise, i really dont think the bulls can match up talent wise without giving too much. The grizz can def get a 12-15 million salary dumpt, we are the team to go for that...But i dont know if we can offer them equal talent like they seem to want. One of the los angeles teams might be better for that.
I hope no one minds me asking but if we had to trade either deng or gordon, who would you rather it be? Gordon would seem to complement gasol more but deng seems to be the golden boy of potential.Whatever happens, shouldnt trade noc and gordon because our outside shooting would suffer too much. Can someone also explain (even if its for the 10th time) what the complications with trading hinrichs recently extended contract is and the complications with trading the Knicks pick.
by Sambossanova on Jan 22, 2007 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stuff
Trading Hinrich isn't very complicated. The restriction on him is called PPP, Poison Pill Provision, and basically says that since he signed an extension during his rookie deal that starts following his fourth season, his trade value for this year only is average of this year plus what he's making under his extension. It averages out to about $8.2m I believe (so $8.2m X 6 years = Hinrich's salary this year + his extension value).
I'm not 100% sure about the deal with the Knick's pick, but I think it's that we don't actually OWN the pick, just the right to SWAP picks. If we trade away our pick, the team receiving it wouldn't be allowed to swap picks with the Knicks because the contract signed said only the Bulls had the right to swap. This could be wrong, but I think that's it. If we wanted to give them our pick, they could get it but wouldn't be able to swap with the Knicks.
Besides, if we get rid of Gordon without getting a good SG in return, we'd definitely need to keep our 2007 pick because we'd need a SG to replace him.
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the way around knicks pick
by milesgmsu on Jan 22, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whoop whoop
and a pick
hinrich/sefolosha
gordon/griffin
deng/nocioni
gasol/thomas/khryapa
wallace
it won't happen, but i think that's a best case scenario for the bulls. They just make sure tht either gasol or wallace is on the court at all times. And they address the backup center problem in the off-season.
by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's in it for Memphis
Salary relief, Young talent & draft picks.
If you look at Memphis' roster the contract that really sticks out is Cardinal's (3 years 19.000 Mil left after this year.) If we took Cardinal off their hands they could accept less talent in return. The problem is that when you add Cardinal's contract to Gasol's you are at 17.7 Million and for the Bulls to match that you need Brown and probably 4 other players. How about Brown, Duhon, Deng, Thomas & Eisley's contract. Would you make that deal? They might take Nocioni instead of Thomas. Would you take that? How about Allen and the draft pick instead of Thomas?If you take Deng out of the trade I don't see Memphis making it.
If we take Cardinal out of the deal then Memphis will want more young talent not less in return. To match Gasol's salary You would need Brown, Deng, Sefalosha & the draft pick. Would you make that deal?
by OldeBull on Jan 22, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly feel
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen
I really don't think Memphis is serious by asking for Deng, Gordon, and first round pick for Gasol and Warrick. They're high-balling.
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing Deng would suck
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he can't.
by sue369 on Jan 22, 2007 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As rough as it is
by Freethefro on Jan 22, 2007 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eisley
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your probably right
This also creates the problem of what Memphis does with the 18 contracts they would have after trading 2 for 5. They could probably release some of their players outright.
by OldeBull on Jan 22, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to know
by Paxson Jackson on Jan 22, 2007 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
JUST READ THIS
According to the chicago sports radio the bulls will trade :
L. deng
Pj brown
v khrypa
c duhon
For
Gasol
Miller
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers don't even come close.
Deng Brown Kryapa & Duhon are $14.8
And why would Memphis include their second best and probably most popular player inthis deal.
by OldeBull on Jan 22, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's actually quite close
I haven't heard anything on 'chicago radio'...so I won't believe any of this yet. Was the pick involved at all? Couldn't Pax convince Memphis that Noc is just as good as Deng? I read that all the time here! :-D
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as long
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like
Doesn't Miller play SG/SF? Seems like Gordon would have to be going for that or else Noc and Ty won't be seeing very much time.
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's yet another slow 3
Man, it makes so much more sense to chuck Noc instead of Deng...knowing that Gasol will command the ball and Deng is so much better without the ball than Noc.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=996~99~2377~2456&teams=4~29~29~29
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And this one
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=99~2377~2456~130~996&teams=29~29~29~4~ 4
But it seems like there'd have to be one more good player going to them. I think Deng has a 90% chance of going and Noc only has a 10%.
Can Rudy Gay play SG?
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
I'd think Ty Thomas should be both the guy Memphis wants and the Bulls would give up instead of Deng.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather
Alright, I'm headed to class for the next 2.5 hours (gag), hopefully when I get back there's news on the front page that this trade actually happened.
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at the very least
Oh, and there's a game too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick Memphis roster analysis:
by Big D on Jan 22, 2007 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He only plays
by Colossus on Jan 22, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's been hurt much of the year
Plus nowadays he doesn't fit into their new uptempo style.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2007 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All this trading
Go Bulls!!
by sue369 on Jan 22, 2007 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought
by Colossus on Jan 23, 2007 6:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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