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This Ben Gordon thing is starting to irk me (a.k.a. Game Thread #32: Bulls vs. Phoenix Suns)

I know I keep moving the goalposts when it comes to assessing the Bulls, but facing Cleveland (it's kindof unfortunate that the Cleveland game was buried in a holiday weekend, because that was a great win) and facing Phoenix are two completely different 'tests'. Luckily because they're in a different conference, this is a test that doesn't really matter if the Bulls 'pass' or not.

But I'm hoping that the game stays close, because if so it'll be a fun an exciting game. While not as acclaimed as Phoenix, the Bulls do their share of high-paced-ball-movement-offense-things that can be especially effective against a poor defense. Unfortunately, the Suns are not a poor defense, they give up a lot of points because they drive the pace of the game so high, but in the pace-neutral society of the future they'd be recognized as pretty good. Especially with Hinrich being out of the game, the Bulls will have a tough time slowing down these guys, but maybe they can have some fun staying close through matching their scoring.

Of course, there is the distinct chance of a huge early deficit because Ben Gordon will be sitting on the bench.

This whole Gordon thing is driving me crazy, and likely isn't doing much for him either, since this catch-22 situation has his bench role being further cemented the better he plays.  In my mind it's a complete disconnect between correlation and causation. Yes, Gordon has been playing better since he went to the bench. But I've yet to be convinced he's playing better because he's been coming off the bench. Even the token excuses that have been offered, such as the benefit of playing against other teams' bench players (lets bench Wallace too!), or him needing to watch the game before entering it (so can he start the second half then?) aren't really doing it for me. And it really makes me wish there was no such thing as the 6th man of the year, because now becoming a mutli-year recipient of that award is something to shoot for? How about becoming an all-star?

Of course, if you're a big Kyle Orton fan you likely point to the Bulls record during that time and figure: why change things? Well, if they're getting pounded by a Western Conference powerhouse tonight (my personal 4-0 in-attendance record will be tested tonight!) you will likely be thinking of ways for the Bulls to get better, their nice record be damned. And an easy way to start would be giving Gordon more than 30 minutes a night. He's gotten 35 the past two games with Hinrich out, but when the normal rotation returns I want superstition to get thrown out the window and the better players getting the minutes.

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I fear a big early deficit in this game
because the Suns have the guns to keep pouring it on. Starting Thabo hurts as he isn't the shooter Hinrich is, and matching baskets may be the only way to stay close to Phoenix.

Enter Matt's BG dilemma. If the Bulls go down big in the first 3 minutes, will BG enter even if Thabo doesn't have 2 fouls? I would think so because scoring will be at a premium tonight.

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 2, 2007 6:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Foiled! Some links at least...
Well crap, Matt... I was going to help you out with a game preview tonight but you beat me to it.  I'll post anyway...

The Suns roll into the UC tonight for what I hope will be an exciting match-up.  Skiles has been singing praises about this Suns team and for good reason: they're an awesome team... on a major hot streak having only lost two games in their last 20.  Plus, the Suns have dominated the (L)Eastern Conference (11-1).  With Amare making great progress and Nash (Lang over at Slamonline is calling him "The System" now, based on Skiles's gushing) putting together another MVP-type season, the Bulls are in for a battle tonight.

How will the Bulls deal with another super-athletic forward in Amare?  

Can we make life difficult for Nash with Kirk out nursing his groin?

Will the our not-quite-as-dominant D be enough against the League's most explosive team?

Can Little Ben and Luol continue their hot scoring streak with the new (old) ball?

Tonight should be a great game.  Go Bulls!

by paxson43 on Jan 2, 2007 6:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt, we finally agree!
You are right about Ben G.  The reason his play has improved is because he is a slow starter.  As the season progresses, Ben seems to get stronger.  This cant be attributed to him coming off the bench instead of starting, and anyone who thinks so is either crazy, or are just jumping on the Skiles bandwagon.  Oh, about Kirk having the better J than Thabo, as of late, thats just a little questionable.  Kirk "ain't got no J" He was known as more of a slasher and defender in Kansas than shooter, but you would expect some improvement.
Suns are looking pretty rough this season, and should be a lock for the conference finals unless someone gets hurt.  Amare just tries to jam everything within 10ft of the basket and I did not realize how polished his low post game is.  Between him and Howard, I may go with Amare even though Howard is stronger and has excellent character.

by DannyRange on Jan 2, 2007 6:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shooting
Kirk is still the leading 3-point shooter on the Bulls at 41% whereas Thabo is around 27%, and Thabo's overall % is tied more to his finishing at the rim than it is his jumper.

Strangely enough, against the Cavs the Bulls snapped a string of 300+ games with a 3-pointer made. Luckily they didn't need it, but tonight against the high scoring Suns they will.  

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 2, 2007 6:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i disagree
Perhaps I am a skiles fan boy, but I am a big fan of B-Jizzle off the bench. What I am not a fan of, however, is few minutes for BG when he's hot. Our record, and his stats, point to his better sucess off the bench. There are arguments to the opposite, of course, but he old mantra of if it's not broke, don't fix it, does apply.

Of course, we could just have matt attend every game. I am 1-1 this year, and 3-2 over the past 2 years;

by milesgmsu on Jan 2, 2007 7:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind Ben coming off the bench
as much as I mind him not getting the minutes.  Even if he truly does need 3-4 minutes of watching the game (which I'm not saying I agree with, but accepting for the sake of argument), that's no reason for him not to play as many minutes as the other starters (excepting Duhon, who I would much rather see in the 15-20 minute range, and especially not involved in crunch time unless foul trouble mandates it).

My biggest concern with Thabo starting, which is acknowledgegly based on a single game, is that he could actually lose playing time because of mistakes.  Those picky fouls, as well as turnovers and poor shot selection, are so much more noticeable right at the beginning of the game.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 6:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopeful but doubtful
I hope the Bulls prove me wrong tonight, but I'd be surprised if they win.  If they do, it'll go a long way toward raising the Bulls' overall respect level.  

While I see the current Bulls as one of the league's better teams (top 6 or 8), there are certain match-ups where they tend to get steamrolled.  Usually it's against very athletic and skilled frontlines.  They've pretty well caught up to the Cavaliers, Pistons and Heat, and possibly even passed them, but I still have my doubts about how they match up with the Mavericks, Spurs and Suns.  

I'm excited, though.  Like I said, I'd love for them to prove me wrong.

by jamestkirk on Jan 2, 2007 6:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm afraid of the same
As per tradition, I played the suns on NBA live 06 (xbox version) and lost 4 consecutive times (never actully lost, just turned off the xbox with 2 secs to go)* Usually my play is a pretty good barometer

I think the bulls are the class of the east, but as many commentators (including the one above) have stated, were the bulls in the west, they would be fighitng for a playoff spot (my thgoughts are about 6 or 7 seed)

*I forgot to whip out the Live until after the circus trip...you can pin those losses on me

by milesgmsu on Jan 2, 2007 8:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't
have warm thoughts on this game. It will be tough for the Bulls. I don't look for the bench to come out tonight and play like they did Sat. night. I hope I'm wrong.

As far as Ben goes I say try him at starting if he screws up put him back on the bench.

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 2, 2007 7:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL
Don't forget the ghost of Tim Thomas!

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 7:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lead by the suns
can be overcome.  

And they played last night!  Let's hope Steve Nash is tired, tired, tired.

by KT on Jan 2, 2007 7:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tim plays for the Clips
Bulls better not come out flat, or it will be over early.

by DannyRange on Jan 2, 2007 7:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's why it's his ghost.
Go back more than this season with me.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 7:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nash and Duhon both have 2 assists, 1st Q, 8 m
begin the Duhon for MVP campaing forthwith
I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 2, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad
Gordon isn't replacing Duhon.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 2, 2007 7:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duhon assist to Gordon!!!
Duhon 5 assists, Nash 3.  How is it that the Du-Du is not a 2 time MVP?  ;)
I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 2, 2007 7:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're a genious, PaxJax
Duhon out, Bulls go on a nice little run.

Seriously, this first quarter has gone better than I expected.  Hope they keep it up.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 8:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really,
as I'm always wary of A-Drain appearances, and he just put the Suns in a timeout.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 2, 2007 8:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So far, East evening things up a bit tonight.
Cleveland took out San Antonio 82-78 - hideous 3rd quarter had Cavs outscoring spurs 11-10, Cavs 4-21 from field and Spurs just 2-11.

Orlando is about to beat the Clips, provided they can make a reasonable number of free throws and don't totally choke.

Bulls are more than holding their own so far in a game a lot of people thought would be a blow-out, and Philly is up on Denver 24-14 near end of 1st.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 8:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And for any Redick fans
or Duke anti-fans (like me) who can't let an old rivalry go:

JJ's line for the night- 8 min, 0-1 shooting, 1-2 FT, 3 fouls, and a bad pass inbounding TO with 4 seconds left and Magic up only 3.

But Orlando does hang on, in spite of JJ.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 8:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The first half
went better than I ever thought it would. I hope the Bulls come out hot in the second half.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 2, 2007 8:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like we caught Phoenix
on an off shooting night - hopefully that carries over to the second half.  Still hate to see Kirk missing this game.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 8:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Du's now 0 for 6
A little past time to quit chucking them up?

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 8:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gordon off the bench
Matt, I'd be more inclined to agree with you, and I would like to eventually see Gordon as a starter...but the difference in his stats between starts and off the bench is pretty staggering.  (Granted he only started 6 games).

So, why would you change it?  

             MPG   APG  PPG    FG%   3PT%
As starter:  27    3.1  12.8   38.8   20
As Sub:      30    3.5  21.9   45.5   37.2

by dcarioca on Jan 2, 2007 9:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's hope trend continues
Bulls are 17-0 in games when they lead after the 3rd quarter.

by paxson43 on Jan 2, 2007 9:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn PHX
I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 2, 2007 9:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn
What a game, but we should have won.
Whenever you feel about complaining about the Bulls... just remember the days when Jabba the Krause ran the team... *vomits in mouth*

by SouthSideIrish on Jan 2, 2007 9:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That really sucks.
All the nervous adrenaline is so not worth it for a last second loss.

by wjb1492 on Jan 2, 2007 9:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They had
their chances. New career high for Ben. I'm sure he would rather have the win. Not a good birthday present for Kirk tonight.

I hate losing.

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 2, 2007 10:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't get to see the game
but it seemed like the Suns were getting quite a few offensive rebounds.  Did we get beat-up inside?

by Freethefro on Jan 2, 2007 10:03 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definately
and his name is Amare (although the P.A. guy pronounced it A-Mair...ass)

If they went to him more he could've done even more damage...he had a great game.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2007 10:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was nothing
In the Cleveland game, he called Drew Gooden "Dwight Gooden."  I was half-expecting Gooden to go sniff the white (side)line.

by Big D on Jan 2, 2007 11:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ARGH!
I kept thinking in my mind when Phoenix had that last possesion, DON'T HIT A THREE, DON'T HIT A THREE...

damn it...........
So close.  

by Bullschicago on Jan 2, 2007 10:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kirkless
With Kirk in there, we would've won tonight.  Phoenix missed a lot of shots, especially early and especially near the rim, but Bulls played good D to make those shots tougher than they could have been.

We lost the game in the mid third and especially the early and mid fourth quarters when our offense fell to pieces.  With Kirk in the game, we would have been OK.  Duhon was open again and again.  He just can't hit jumpers right now.  I know everyone here seems to hate the guy, but he used to be able to knock down open shots.  He's gotta get that straightened out somehow.  I was impressed with Phoenix's D in the second half.  Bulls played excellent D as well and that's why Phoenix was only just barely able to come back.

One question:  I thought that if someone is fouled off the ball in the last two minutes of the game, the team that was fouled gets to pick who shoots (the no-hack-a-wilt policy).  When Wallce was fouled, it was clearly off the ball.  Did it count as a loose ball foul because Deng was in the process of shooting?  Either way, that was a bummer.

I hate to say it, but this is a "moral victory".  If Bulls can beat Nets and Pistons this week (Chauncey-less Pistons?), winning the conference looks to be a likely possibility...

One last thing --> Steve Nash is really freaking good.  That three he canned from two steps behind the arc with Duhon right on him was damn impressive.  But he made a ton of plays tonight.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jan 2, 2007 11:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

moral victory
It's no moral victory

but it is worth pointing out that the Bulls would have been absolutely destroyed by the PHX the last couple years.  So it's progress.

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 2, 2007 11:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how is it a moral victory
when you play the best you possibly can, and loose because of luck, murphy's law, a slap in the face that you are not a title contender, and the fact the every short gaurd in the nba except jr smith is clutch

by hongydraw on Jan 3, 2007 3:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Nash
is the System, just like  Skiles said.  Let's see how Phoenix offense runs without him.  

by KT on Jan 3, 2007 6:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's just a silly comment
Of course the Phoenix system is Nash.  Just like the Bulls wouldn't have had a chance without Gordon last night.  The Suns have never said that the system would work without Nash (although without him they've won some games this year).

by BrightSideoftheSun on Jan 3, 2007 11:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amare was the diference in the 4th
They just kept going to him time after time and getting easy baskets.  Ben did a great job on him in the first half and had him mostly settling for jumpers, but Amare was just unstoppable in the 4th.  If he plays like that all season, the Suns are your 2007 NBA Champions.

by Big D on Jan 2, 2007 11:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
Amare was the difference. His O-boards killed us down the stretch, as did his regular offense.

But give credit to Phoenix, they came out with a much better defense in the third. The Bulls were forced into many tough shots. Luol alone was shooting fade away jumpers because the Suns started using a switching defense, a la Minnesota.

In the second half the Bulls didn't have nearly as many open shots.

A credit to Gordon, he was hitting when we needed him to...he will be our go to guy. I'm trusting him now to take things over when we need it. The 1.5 second shot was just set bad execution.

Oh, and the Barbosa shot, it was just sick. Can't complain about it at all. He had a defender in his face, and he drained it. It made me wanna throw up, but at least we know we can hang with those guys.

 

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 3, 2007 2:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like i said...
hanging with them isnt enough. they know now they are far from a title contender and were slapped in the face with murphy's law and luck. why is every short gaurd who can shoot a 3 in the nba clutch? i mean i have seen major clutcharity out of jannero pargo, earl boykins, and pretty much every short gaurd in the nba except jr smith and chris duhon. i mean what the balls. with that type of gaurd, which most teams have, it is literally impossible to stop a 3 unless you foul and force them to shoot free throws.

by hongydraw on Jan 3, 2007 3:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you've said that several times since the game
and I've yet to see it making sense. Besides, J.R. Smith isn't a short guard...and who cares about J.R. Smith?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2007 8:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hate to steal paxjax's thunder
but this statement is absolute 100% anecodtal...let's see some stats...

ANy half witted basketball fan would tell you never ever fould a 3 point shooter....ever...I would take barbossa with that shot every time....he's going to hit it 30-35% of the time....you foul him (being an 80% shooter) theres a 90% chance he at least ties it and a greater than 50% chance he hits all three

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 8:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big guy
In ohoenix this week and had to watch the game with Suns fans... total heartbreaker.

As good as Ben Wallace was rebounding he isn't good enough to box out/account for 2 of the opposing team's big guys on the boards.  That is why Amare tore us apart down low... in trying to run a little bit we were not putting a body on Amare to box him out.  The guy is awesome don't get me wrong (even tho he got rejected by Noc which was sweet) but he really was just taking advantage of our lack of size/boxing out down low.

Couple bad calls or non calls on Noc.   one charge he shoulda gotten but BG7 got called for the reach in and the foul called on Noc after Big Ben's missed free throw which was the game in my eyes cause Deng came down with that board.  On that last one the camera angle wasnt the greatest so Chapu mighta fouled but  i couldnt see it.  Anybody else get a better look?

Not a moral victory, but the Suns did get "lucky" and if we do play them  in the finals I'm not as scared as I was before this game.  Yes I think we will make it to the finals and NO i did not just jinx them...seriously I didn't.

by Zac23 on Jan 3, 2007 12:32 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummm...
"as a player in the NBA," (cough) it's a little odd you're throwing in the towel for your respective and unnamed team.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 12:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duh
unless i am on the Bulls... Duh.

by Zac23 on Jan 3, 2007 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Guy?
Agree that Big Ben needs some help on the boards, but Amare just killed us in Q4 on the offensive glass. If Ben's going to miss all is FTs (and not give us that dubious 41%) then at least box-out. By the way, he's missed his last 11 at the stripe - - that's a real tough thing to accomplish.

by EdNealy on Jan 3, 2007 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was at the game
and this is the most painful loss i have been at for any sporting event outside of the bartman game

by hongydraw on Jan 3, 2007 3:17 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can top this (but not bartman)
I was at the MSU ND game this year; the MSU U of M game last year both instant classics and Game 5 of the wiz-bulls series 2 years ago where arenas hit the game winning shot

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 8:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at game five as well...
against the Wiz when Agent Zero hit that game winner OVER CHANDLER! Man I remember coming back from the deficit, I remember the energy, and when Arenas hit the shot... it literally killed everyone in the room. I was in the very last row of the top of the stadium and I could HEAR what the Wizards players were yelling for a couple seconds, then there was about 35 'FUCK NO's' bellowed at he same time followed bya  steady stream of explitives. That one was even worse, because we came back from 20 something down. The Barbosa one hurt, but Hibachi hurt us big in that game. I still have nightmares about the whole situation.
Whenever you feel about complaining about the Bulls... just remember the days when Jabba the Krause ran the team... *vomits in mouth*

by SouthSideIrish on Jan 3, 2007 8:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have only felt worse once in my life
after MSU blew the game against ND this year....but agent zero game killed me for an entire summer (along with the stolen inbound pass in game 6)

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 8:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad Losses
hongydraw, I think you're emotional because it happened last night.  That was a rough loss, but the Bulls have had rougher ones very recently (for instance, the home opener vs. the Kings where they gave the game away rather than having it taken from them).  I hate the term moral victory, but with Kirk out, I feel like it's OK to take this one that way.

That game vs. the Wizards was ridiculous.  I went to the U2 concert there a month later, and even when the band was playing loud with the whole crowd screaming, the 2/3 full UC when Pargo hit that shot was even louder.  And it was Game 5.

The roughest loss I've ever seen in person was Colorado at Michigan in '94.  You know the play.  The whole place was stunned.  I was just staring straight ahead with a dumbfounded look on my face.  I swear I could see fans on the other side staring right back at me with the same look.  My friends and I walked the mile and a half back to our dorm and no one said a damn word the whole way.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jan 3, 2007 9:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kings game
i was at that game, and at least in my mind, watching the score come in (not even the live feed) of this game hurt more than the kings game.

I think it's because the 16-3 streak had everyones hopes real high; while with the kings game we never knew what to expect

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 9:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No moral victory
I'm disappointed by the loss, and I don't think it's a moral victory.  Phoenix was playing back to back on the road.  Phoenix shot horribly in the first half (they had a lot of good looks that simply didn't go down) and shot only .414 overall.  And Phoenix staked us to a 16 point lead.  That's a game the Bulls ought to win, regardless whether Hinrich plays or not.

Down the stretch, I'm curious why Skiles didn't substitute more for offense-defense.  After the game, he seemed irked with Gordon for not defending Barbosa more aggressively on the game-winning shot, but it seems to me that the Bulls would have been better off having Thabo on the floor for the last Phoenix possession, especially with their length.

I continued to be frustrated by Duhon.  He's a decent floor general, but I don't know that it's enough to overcome the fact that he's such a non-threat offensively himself.  He doesn't drive much at all, and he can't hit the standstill three reliably.  Last night, he had a wide open three from the corner that he visibly hesitated before passing it up.  It seemed like he was afraid to take the shot.

by Theus got there first on Jan 3, 2007 7:52 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least the 'hawks won
1 point out of the 8th spot...and on "nat'l" tv no less

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 8:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder
how much longer Kirk will be out? Hope it's not too long. He might have helped last night or he may have had one of his shitty foul at will nights too.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 9:21 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Turnovers = Difference
Us - 20
Them - 10

I get the feeling that Kirk is missed...

by colintj on Jan 3, 2007 9:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still a good game
Even though we lost.  Fun game to be at, tough one to lose.  But I think the young players will get something out of it (I have to find a silver lining somewhere).  

This is interesting (from ESPN's Daily Dime):

On Leandro Barbosa's game-winning 3, Steve Nash used his left leg in a tripping movement to force Ben Gordon inside and give Barbosa the space he needed to pull the shot. Had Gordon not tried to avoid Nash's leg and allowed himself to be tripped, I'm not sure if the officials would have called the foul on Nash, although it was clear that he was a moving screener. "Stripes" hate to make game-deciding calls on off-the-ball actions.

Anyone notice this?  

by Moses Taylor on Jan 3, 2007 10:09 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea,
I read it, then went to the top of the page and saw the replay a few times... Damn Nash is smart, he knows they wont call that on him, being the MVP and all, plus like it was said, "Stipes" dont make those off the ball calls at the end of games... That shows how much Nash has this league in his pocket, and also, why, becuase he knows his game so well... I hate it it! and Gordon should not have been covering the outside shooter in the first place. He was hot and hot 5fouls. We needed someone taller longer (thabo) to hold the perimeter. Oh well... fun game to watch, too bad we lost. Lets hope Kirk is back soon, and also that Duhon gets sent to the pine. Even if Thabo starts in front of BG.

by Goostafer on Jan 3, 2007 11:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I agree with that analysis
I've watched that play over and over and it seems to me like Steve is trying to get in front of his defender to set the pick and he thinks he is late getting there.  Ben Gordon actually had to run around his own teammate more than Nash's foot.

I'm reading Jack McCallum's book right now and his statistical analysis shows that Steve actually gets fewer calls than the top 20 players in the league.  So I certainly don't think he has the NBA in his pocket.

by BrightSideoftheSun on Jan 3, 2007 12:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looked like a trip to me
Or an attempted trip, or a fake of a trip, or whatever...

I agree, it looks "like Steve is trying to get in front of his defender to set the pick and he thinks he is late getting there"...so he sticks his leg out.

I'm sure the play wasn't drawn up for Nash to trip Gordon, but for whatever reason - and it really doesn't matter - he sticks his leg out.  

The line between dirty and crafty is pretty thin...and it depends on who you're rooting for.

by jamestkirk on Jan 3, 2007 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He may get
fewer calls but his incessant whinning when he did get calls on him last night drove me crazy.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He Might
not have been thinking of tripping BG, but you can't tell me that if Ben trips over him he (Nash) gets the call... there is no way, Also, there is no way he was getting there late, so that is not what happened, all i see is Nash kicking his leg towards Ben. If he had put his body, that 'might' have been a call, but his leg is easily hidden in traffic. I'm not saying he's a dirty player, all Im saying is he knows what to do and when to do it, That's why he has the league in his pocket. Because he is a smart player. AND it helps that he is the MVP, if Chapu were to try that, and a player got tripped it would be a call easy.

by Goostafer on Jan 3, 2007 6:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know
The Bulls shouldn't look at this as some stupid moral victory. The point is, they lost. As hard as it is to admit, I think we have no chance in the finals this year. But I want to believe it, I really do. I also think we cought Phoenix on a bad night. You can say we caused that, but I truely believe Phoenix missed a lot of shots they would have normally made and the Bulls played one of their best games of the season....and still lost. Don't get me wrong, I think we can make it to the Finals but the West is clearly dominant against us. Who knows, maybe the Bulls do get a lot better as the season goes on, but for now, I would have to say the Suns, Spurs, and Mavs would kill us in a seven game series. In closing, I really am happy with the improvement of our young Bulls though. Deng and Gordon and Nocioni are clearly coming into their own. That said, let's just get to the Finals and be happy with that.

by Option27 on Jan 3, 2007 10:35 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls played awesome
I don't even like Scott Skiles and I have to admit that he coached the Suns nearly to perfection last night.  The Bulls played an awesome game and it was just the last two minutes of the game that allowed the Suns to pull out the win.

I think Bulls fans should be excited about this team.  Everyone thinks the Suns are an elite team and they've let several double-digit leads get away this year.  Sometimes it happens to the best of teams.

If Kirk would have been in the game, I think the Suns wouldn't have had a chance to come back.

by BrightSideoftheSun on Jan 3, 2007 12:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think they played well.
Gordon was phenomenal last night, and the Bulls team defense was adequate, but Wallace was badly outplayed by Stoudemire and the Bulls' offense was brutal at times.  Duhon was begging to be pulled from the game but there was no good alternative.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 3, 2007 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought they played great in the first half
then not quite as well in the second half.  I'm not going to fault Ben for struggling with Amare - he's one of the few bigs in the league that, unless he's having a totally off night, I don't think there are many answers for.

by wjb1492 on Jan 3, 2007 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Pet Theory as to why Gordon Does Not Start
It seems like Skiles likes to give Ben Wallace shots in the first few possessions of the game to keep him happy.  He also may like to make sure some of the other players are getting shots and keeping happy early.  Hence, Skiles does not want someone whose only superiority on the team is his scoring ability.  (counterargument:  having Gordon on the floor as a decoy may make it easier for Wallace to score).  Because Du Du is perceived as a better defender and more willing to pass, it helps the team get into the flow of the offense.  If Ben started, it would set the wrong tone for the rest of the game.  Ben can't be on the floor without shooting alot, and Skiles doesn't want to suppress that instinct.  Rather, it's better to keep him on the bench for the first few minutes.

Maybe this theory is wrong or kooky, but I'm just trying to get into Skiles mind here.  

I'm sick of my name, damn gwkd.

by GWKD on Jan 3, 2007 2:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh
Perhaps this is what's in Skiles' mind.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 2:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The caption
to that picture says "Top Chicago Bulls player". Evidently she doesn't watch many Bulls games.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 3:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another funny one
Nice t-shirt, Du!  Slap a Blog-a-bull logo on that bad boy and you have your official member T.

http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/darivone78/?action=view&current=chicagobulls017.jpg

B-jizzle my nizzle!

by preverbal on Jan 4, 2007 10:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not crazy reason
I agree that with Gordon on the bench to start, the Bulls can get Deng, Kirk, Noc into flow on offense.

I would leave Gordon on the bench to supply the 2nd team scoring IF Duhon would shoot and hit open shots or they had a bigger option at SG.

Gordon is great when he's shooting well but he still forces shots at times.  He took a bunch of bad quick shots at end of (I think it was) Knicks game right before christmas.

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 3, 2007 2:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe
this too. Actually this is even getting away from the original 'Scott and Du Du sittin in a tree' sentiment from my original picture link. Duhon needs to stay away from the cameras if he's going to act like a total asshole. I'm a photo of him wearing sunglasses inside a club away from considering never even giving the guy a wave in the unlikely situation I ever encounter Chris Duhon.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 3:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And
this one's for Sue, because if she didn't dislike Chris Duhon beforehand, the caption on this photo is more than enough reason.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 3:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Horrible picture
of Kirk. I don't remember saying I was overly fond of Duhon. Maybe I did.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 3:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no idea
what your feelings on Duhon are, but as a certified Kirk Hinrich fan-woman, "taken right before he got my # to give to Chris Duhon, which was right before Chris called me :)" should at the very least be entertaining.

I was aware of party animal rumors, and these pictures don't really prove anything except Chris Duhon has been photographed looking like an idiot, but stay away from those things!

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 3:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did
find her quote entertaining. I mean what are buddies for if they can't help a guy out. Right??? I did not know Du was such a slut until you had said something earlier. Guess he doesn't care that his pictures are all over the net. Ick!!
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 4:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i may be a backwoods bumpkin
but i'm confused....who are the unnamed women in these pictures, when were they taken, and how did ya'll get ahold of em

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 5:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles
Don't worry, it doesn't take a super sleuth. Go to any popular photo hosting site and search for Chris Duhon. I wasn't really concerned with the when, where, and who as Chris Duhon's personal life isn't really all that intriguing. I would have rather spent those 15 minutes downloading calumnious jpegs of the Junk Yard Dog.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 3, 2007 5:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

paxjax
good to see you've retained the ability to both be condescending and helpful!

I was merely asking because I am still curious as to who those ladies are...I ahve a preset image of kirk and du, and those photos (well not really the one of kirk) are beginning to challenge that preception

And I want my photo taken with the real kirk at the uC

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 6:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd love
to have my picture taken with any of the players, well maybe with the exception on Du. And I never ever post my pictures on the internet.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2007 12:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So now we
know what he does in the off season to earn a little extra money. Ewwwwww.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 3:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that I
think about it I bet Chris used that money towards hurricane relief. ;-)
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 3, 2007 4:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hinrich
Drank with him (and Bill wennington of all people) in Miami a couple years ago when they were playing the heat.  Let's just say the guy can throw down.      

by dcarioca on Jan 3, 2007 4:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

drinking
He is canadian and 7 feet tall....one would think he could throw down

by milesgmsu on Jan 3, 2007 5:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was Hinrich
who can throw down.  I've heard that before.

As Sam Smith said in his Ask Sam column today:


Let me see if I can explain this gently. These guys are young men with lots of money who finish work close to midnight and everyone likes to wind down after work. With the old Bulls of the '80s and '90s, we used to call it "flu." Guys will be guys. Guys like to go out, have a good time and enjoy their life. We all did the same thing. And then you have to come to work early the next morning. Until Kirk suffered the groin injury, he never missed games. I never remember anyone as sick on a regular basis than Michael Jordan. But he never missed games as well. Given I was exhausted after eight hours of sleep, I admired what those guys could do. I think part of being a great athlete is being able to play with "food poisoning."

http://tinyurl.com/vb226

by KT on Jan 3, 2007 6:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why did we lose?
I can't seem to figure out why anyone would take the shot before 1 second left.  I just don't get it.  I said to my friends that there was no reason that we should lose in regulation, and I agree.  Better to hold it than shoot too early.
Deng, he's good!!!!!!!!!

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2007 1:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad you agree with yourself...
But it was better to get a good shot off with 5 seconds (or in this case, get fouled) than force a bad shot just to make sure there was no time on the clock.  Chances of winning the game up 2 with 5 seconds remaining are better than going to overtime.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 4, 2007 9:06 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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