Krause era over, Chandler Traded.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 5, 2006 4:18 PM CDT Comment 85 comments

[I bumped JoeJoe's thoughts to the bottom of this post, although in doing so I kept the comments. Just wanted to get the 'official' link up to the front page. Usually rumors this prevalent rarely don't come true...but I was still holding out hope that they'd get more for Tyson. I suppose Brown's expiring contract will be worth more as the season goes on. I'd offer more 'insight' (or whatever I usually do here), but I'm off to the Sox game -Matt]

Marc Stein:

The Chicago Bulls and New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets on Wednesday reached a verbal agreement on the widely expected trade that will send Bulls center Tyson Chandler to the Hornets for veteran forward P.J. Brown and swingman J.R. Smith. NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the players involved have been notified that the deal will officially go through July 12, which is the first day NBA teams can officially complete signings and trades after the league announces the salary cap for the 2006-07 season.

joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever: Ok Im cool with this because I would rather have Gordan Deng Andres and Kirk as our Core and have TY2 take TY1's place. I like P.J. Brown for a year but the real question is what do they do with J.R. Smith?

I think he has tallent but after reading up on him he doesn't seem to be so smart. It will be something to watch if they can get this guy on the right track. The guy can FLY. Its just up to him to change.

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J.R. Smith I would think is trade bait.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 5, 2006 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Trade Bait

Who would be interested in JR? Has anybody heard anything like where he was rumored to go before the Tyson deal? I like one suggestion early with Collison. It would free up cap for the Sonics to offer more $ to Wilcox. Wilcox is supposed to be the Sonics #1 priority.

by Jesse07 on Jul 5, 2006 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

J.R. can't be traded for 90 days.

Not a big deal, just thought it was worth mentioning that he will at least be going through training camp with the Bulls.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 5, 2006 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

J.R.

This is a no-lose pickup with J.R. Smith. The kid obviously has serious athleticsm, is not even 21 can shoot, has an NBA body (6-6, 220) and has a small cap figure ($1-1.5 mill range). They can definitely try and flip him again (another big? package him with others?) or can choose to bring him along slowly with Kirk, BG, Thabo, Deng, Noc all playing ahead of him at the 2 guard or 3 spot. It is a great situation for the Bulls and maybe just a change of scenery and a new coach will help him turn the corner as a player. We all know that Pax and Skiles won't put up with any type of bad attitude he may have shown in the past. He has put up over 20 in several games in his short career and wasn't the 18th overall pick for nothing...

by cwolf2484 on Jul 5, 2006 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

pour some liquor on the floor

I know it's been done in other threads but I just want to thank Tyson for all he did for us. He's been the emotional face of the team for a long time and I cherish the memories of him swatting away balls and then sticking out his scrawny chest.

He was the embodiment of the Bulls - young and inexperienced but full of so much self-confidence and determination that he could pull off some amazing stuff. His block at the end of the Washington game late this year (do I have that right?) was one to remember.

It was the right move to make, IMO, but I will miss him. After Noc, who else do we have that, as Pax once put it, "really cares?" The rest of our team barely ever shows emotion.

by 98tilunfinity on Jul 5, 2006 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Really cares

Ben Wallace?

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 5, 2006 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

stoic

Maybe it was because he played alongside Rasheed, but he always seemed more stoic than anything. Plus, he's more world-weary now and won't likely get as excited as the kids when we beat up on, say, Cleveland.

by 98tilunfinity on Jul 5, 2006 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

emotion

I couldn't care less if they 'show' emotion. We know they do care, I don't need the whole team pounding their chests all game to prove it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2006 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the real question is...

Can we now change Ty2's nickname to Ty1?

Or was this a move just so the Bulls can free up the uniform #3 for Ben Wallace?

Yep, once again, I'll be here all week. :-p

Seriously, though, cwolf is right about the JR Smith part. It's a no-lose situation for the Bulls. He'll either change his sophomoric ways and contribute, or he'll be the 12th-15th guy on the bench until the Bulls can find a suitor for him.

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jul 5, 2006 5:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Ty2

I've already grown a fondness for his nickname.

by jamestkirk on Jul 5, 2006 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ty

More like T^2 (squared). ;)

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 5, 2006 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also:

Check out this mini-camp roster.

We've got a Drago and a Jason Williams (no, not that one, but when I first saw the name, I thought so too.)

By the way, name spellings aside, doesn't this make for at least 4 Jason/Jayson Williams in the NBA or on the fringes in recent memory?

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jul 5, 2006 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't Thabo

know #2 is cursed?

Hopefully he can break the Sellers-Hopson-Bryant-El Amin-
Curry string of mediocrity..

by chiguyinjapan on Jul 5, 2006 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

I believe Ron Harper wore # 2 when he first started with the Bulls. He wasn't great, but he was a nice contributor to the second three peat. Of course, he did that wearing # 9.

by Rodmaniac on Jul 6, 2006 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brown's 1K game

first game brown palys with the bulls will be his 1000th. Kinda cool

by milesgmsu on Jul 5, 2006 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know how cool that is...

but he's better than Sweetney or the Big O.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 5, 2006 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is a good deal

Pax has shown that he can make good deals if you give him chips. Big Ben and T2 make Chandler redundant and give Pax a dual chip-- solid veteran/fossil PJ Brown and young/immature big guard in JR Smith, both with very tradeable contracts. PJ's will get more valuable as the deadline approaches. Smith has the tools but he needs to get his head straight. If Skiles can't get through to him he is good trade bait.

Starting lineup 2006-2007:
C: Ben Wallace
PF: PJ Brown
SF: Luol Deng
SG: Ben Gordon
PG: Kirk Hinrich

Bench:
SF/PF Andres Nocioni, PF Michael Sweetney, SF/PF Tyrus Thomas, PG/SG/SF Thabo Sefolosha, SF/PF Victor Khryapa, PF/C Malik Allen, SG JR Smith.

Rejoice

There is no waste on this roster anymore.

by CRG on Jul 5, 2006 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Du!

sorry forgot about Duhon!

by CRG on Jul 5, 2006 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

glad to see you go

A pretty dumb quote from Chandler

"It's a great basketball opportunity to play with a bunch of young, up-and-coming guys. That's the thing I'm excited about. They're moving the team in a direction that fits me well. I can help a team make the playoffs. I'll get a chance to play with a great, young point guard (Chris Paul)."

Um, don't the Bulls have a bunch of young, up-and-coming guys? And, granted Hinrich isn't Chris Paul, but isn't he a pretty damn good young point guard?

Typical Tyson. He always played hard on the court, but never seemed to have a clue off it.

by Fred Manrique on Jul 5, 2006 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that's a bit harsh

I think he was just describing the Hornets rather than slighting the Bulls. The rest of the quotes are him directly praising Pax, the organization, the fans and the city.

He's a good guy, I wish him well!

by CRG on Jul 5, 2006 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So what?

What is he supposed to say, "Fuck, I can't believe I have to play in a shithole like Oklahoma City next year?" He didn't say anything bad about the Bulls, so there's no reason to be upset. And the Hornets are an up-and-coming team. It's not like he got traded to the Knicks.

by Big D on Jul 5, 2006 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my point is...

Tyson was in the perfect situation here, with talent around him and a fat long-term contract. All he had to do was show up in shape and play his game, and he couldn't even do that. Tyson always knows exactly what to say, which isn't surprising considering he's been under the media microscope since he was in junior high. But he seems to think that saying the right thing is enough. Every offseason we've heard about how he was bulking up, working on his game, et cetera. But five years in, he's the exact same player as when he entered the league. If he could back up his talk, he never would have been traded, but he doesn't seem to realize that.

by Fred Manrique on Jul 5, 2006 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

...you're saying that you don't like Tyson. Fair enough. But his quote isn't dumb. What's the guy gonna say? He's going to a new team and wants to make the most of it. I'm sure he's not happy about it. But life goes on.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 5, 2006 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tyson's "exit interview"

Is up at 670thescore.com.

He IS a fit for this team and their style. Just that Ben Wallace does the same things, only better. You can't say Tyson didn't practice and play hard. (And yes I give him a reprieve for last summer due to the impending contract. I personally would've stayed in a hyperbaric chamber to not get hurt in that scenario).

MP3 link: http://670thescore.com/includes/news_items/49/1110/tyfull.mp3

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2006 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sweets

is still likely to play starter's minute at the PF spot cause PBJ is too old to and Thomas is to raw to and I think those guys will back up at the C and PF spots. As for JR smith he will in 90 days be traded to bring back some of the 2nd rounders that Pax gave up on draft night or maybe we can trade him to the Knicks for our 1st round pick cause we wont have Isiah to pick on this time next year.

by LD9 on Jul 5, 2006 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thomas' improvement

I agree that Thomas is raw right now and most likely will not be a starter all season, but he might be in the last couple months. Because he is really devoted to improving as a player, my guess is by the end of the season, Tyrus moves up ahead of Sweets and is the first forward off the bench. You never know though. Sweets could come into this season like Curry did 2 years ago.

by RingItUp26 on Jul 5, 2006 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thomas starter

until he gains 10 pounds, the bulls shouldn't consider starting him at the 4 spot.

by Sambossanova on Jul 6, 2006 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

gaining weight and strength is important

And I'm sure the Bulls will be pushing him to do just that. But it's how you play on the court not what it says on the scale that counts. If you only look at a player's measurements, Ben Wallace should be sitting on the bench. I'm excited to see what Tyrus has to offer.

by jamestkirk on Jul 6, 2006 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Michael Sweetney is awful...

so don't be surprised if Thomas is the first forward off the bench at the start of the season. Athleticism, speed, and energy are a better change of pace to PJ Brown than Michael Sweetney doing his best Robert Traylor impression.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sweetney defense

He is heavy, but he has the best footwork int he team and could become a threat in the post...he is our only post-up option and should not be relegated to tractor traylor status.
Give him a chance, i really think he will come through this year.

by Sambossanova on Jul 6, 2006 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oooo...a Tractor Trailer comparison

That's a low blow.

by jamestkirk on Jul 6, 2006 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's not like...

I compared Sweetney to Jahidi White.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

PJ

Have you ever seen PJ Brown play? The guy averaged over 30 minutes a game last season and averaged 9 points and seven boards. Just because he's 36 doesn't mean he's useless. He'll be a lot more productive than most people seem to think.

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 5, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, this was more than a salary dump...

Although dumping the contract was important, PJ reminds me of AD, before he was done. He has nice touch on a 15 footer, has a lot of respect around the league, and doesn't take any shit from anyone. If I'm going into battle next year, and had to pick one of them, I'd probably take PJ over Tyson.

Like others have said, I appreciate what Tyson has done for this franchise, and have enjoyed rooting for him over the years, but the moves this week by Paxson have been incredible. All of a sudden the Bulls are contenders, and the only asset we've lost with a possible future is Tyson Chandler. When the discussion included giving up Deng, Gordon the #2 pick for a 30 year old veteran, I really had my doubts. We give up that many young assets for a 3-4 year run, and then we're tearing the whole thing apart again and going back to the the Corey Carr, Kornel David years.

The Bulls are now legitimate contenders, and by the time Ben Wallace goes riding in the sunset, guys like Tyrus Thomas and next years #1 pick (assuming we get a big man) will take the torch, and along with all of our young, solid perimeter players, keep the Bulls contenders for the next decade.

In Pax we trust!!!

by MMP on Jul 5, 2006 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My bad

I mixed the MPG of PJB last season with the MPG of SAR cause of a disscussion in a diary today. I think PJB will end up being the starting PF. I think we need a solid backup at C though to give Big Ben some rest early in the season. Maybe they'll package Sweets and JR Smith to get one.

by LD9 on Jul 5, 2006 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At long last, that roster looks like a team

We could use a scoring upgrade at PF, but otherwise, this is a "complete" team.

In the next 12 months, we need to address a replacement for Brown when his contract is up. Unless Ty2 emerges in his first season, which doesn't really happen with rookies often.

by Todd Lerner on Jul 5, 2006 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Greg Oden

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 5, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

i wouldn't hold your breath

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to

Brown's agent tonight he insinuated the Bulls will keep Brown longer than one year. I'm just repeating what he said.

by sue369 on Jul 5, 2006 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

If he signs for the minimum after his contract is up, he'd be worth having around even if he's not as productive. The Bulls need veteran experience and everyone seems intent on adding younger players than we already have.

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 5, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trades and Nicknames

T-2....like the terminator movie...its better than t squared or ty2.....

Secondly, if skiles can light a fire under smith, we'll deal him to the hawks, or lakers or knicks or some other terribly managed franchise...most likley the hawks..

i would like to see a smith, duhon, sweets trade for a sign and trade with harrington....sure, we would be slightly less deep (we would be 10 deep...have to bring up the aussie and someone else), but a lot more solid at PF

by milesgmsu on Jul 5, 2006 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wallace interview with Stephen A

On the espn.com nba front page, on the right hand side you can stream Stephen A. Smith's Quite Frankly interview with Ben Wallace. I just started watching it but I thought i'd post here in case anyone was interested.

sports.espn.go.com/nba/index

Norm Van Lier: This is BUUUUUUL'S territory my man!

by chapu chateau on Jul 5, 2006 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

okay I just watched that on ESPN2

and while I said somewhere else I thought it was all about the money, listening to him now it seems he had real issues with Flip Saunders and his coaching philosophy, but his words about the Pistons settling for too many jump shots kinda rings hollow since the Bulls lived and died a lot with jumpers...I do think he likes the hunger the bulls have too

I love Grant Park in June!! Been there six times!!!

by james@lifeinthecell on Jul 5, 2006 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

still

the pistons have enough players to not have to settle for jump shots. i think that what ben had to say was largely true. the pistons got muscled to the perimeter and just stayed there. between 'sheed, chauncey, hamilton and prince, that shouldn't have been the case.

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thoughts

i'm not a big fan of this trade outside the possibility of flipping it later in the season for something more substantial. even on that point though, i think it's a bit risky to make a move to make a move later. i'm sure brown's a fine player and all but it's not like he's the missing piece or anything close to it. all i see is paxson basically saying he f^cked up w/ the tyson signing and is trying to get out from under it.
although the odd's do look good, we better hope the knicks bomb this season so that we get a talented (and young) big in next year's draft.... ..i hate to think of the alternative.

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

PJ Brown

isn't a trading chip. He's an upgrade over Allen/Sweetney/Othella, will play 20 very solid minutes a game, and has an expiring contract that allows the Bulls to resign the 3rd/4th year guys. Paying Chandler wasn't a mistake, he would have gotten the same amount of money on any other team, and now the Bulls have a decent vet big this year, and salary cap flexibility the next. How is that Pax admitting a mistake?

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The point is that he corrected his mistake.

It became obvious this year that Tyson got too much money, so Paxson got a better version of him in Wallace and dumped Chandler's contract to a team willing to give him a shot. Anything they get from Brown or Smith is just a bonus. You say yourself that the expiring contract is valuable to the Bulls, which means that getting rid of Chandler's big contract was important.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

paying Chandler wasn't a mistake

because he would of been payed everywhere else.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then everyone else would have made a mistake.

Not every team would have paid that much for Chandler, and just because someone else is willing to pay that much money doesn't make it a good deal.

Ever heard of the winner's curse? Most of the time the high bidder (and thus the "winner") in an auction is the person willing to pay too much. Read Hollinger's article yesterday about how many teams regret big deals they hand out, that is completely the case in the NBA.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Did Chandler even receive another offer last off season? Pax made a huge mistake giving Chandler that contract, luckily he fixed it.

by Colossus on Jul 6, 2006 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's the alternative?

Not having a young, raw, big that needs 3 years to develop? Jeeeeezus.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

basically

the mistake of it is that he's dumping chandler for cap relief after one year of having him on contract. now, realize things have changed and we can dissect brown's value till were blue in the face (or the potential value of smith), but this trade was a quick way of getting rid of Chandler's contract. there's no other way around it given that Brown's stats have never been much better than Tyson's. plus, trading him when his value is at its lowest sends a strong signal that his value would get no higher in their eyes.
I realize that we had to re-sign him or whatever. I've said plenty about what big men cost in the nba and I know you have to overpay for them. However, if he has to get 60 mill last summer (when his value wasn't that much higher) you would think that more could be had in return for him this summer. A 36 year old and a kid two years removed from books about Purple Crayons don't seem like a whole bunch.
Who knows? Maybe Smith becomes a solid contributor and we resign PJ for the vet minimum next summer. And maybe Tyson plays even worse this year. It's just that, I don't see that happening.
All that being said 'mistake' is probably to harsh a word. I've been a bit of a wet blanket on our moves recently, so I'll try to play more nicely.

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's fair to call it a mistake.

At least in retrospect, although it's also fair to say the no one would have predicted Tyson would regress last year. Nothing negative about Paxson here, no one is perfect and he was able to quickly rectify the situation.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No choice

It wasn't a mistake at all. What was Pax going to do? Let Tyson walk and lose both him and Curry in one off-season? He did the smart thing - lock him up at market and give the organization a little stability after the Curry fiasco.

He got moved now because we had the opportunity to sign a more experienced and accomplished version of him. Had there been a low-post offensive minded big available, we wouldn't be having this conversation and Ty1 would still be a Bull.

by preverbal on Jul 6, 2006 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure there was a choice.

Letting Chandler walk would have been better than paying him $60 million (the Bulls still could have signed Wallace and had $10 million remaining under the cap). Of course, since he's now gone, it doesn't really matter.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

always a choice, but I think Pax did ok

if you let Chandler walk last year, who do you sign? Wallace wasn't available last year. Do we get tied into another player for 4-5 years that didn't fit or have upside?

if we lost both Curry and Changler last year who knows which player we add to replace Chandler (not 7 footers everywhere waiting to come play D) and if we slide into playoffs? even losing in 1st round helps out this team for 06-07, as experience counts

easy to 2nd guess (why couldn't we get Yao instead of JWilliams), but so far I think Pax has done well with what he was given (remember he didn't trade Brand and draft the high school kids)

by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2006 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

To second that notion, if we did not re-sign Chandler, just letting him walk for nothing, we would NOT have made the playoffs this year. I realize he was not playing up to his potential, but he and Nocioni picked up their games and that's how the Bulls made a playoff run.

NOW, if the Bulls did not make the playoffs, there's no opportunity for Hinrich, Gordon, and Nocioni to show their goods to the league against the Heat and gain all the credit and recognition they did. And therefore, Ben Wallace would not want to come here. So anyone who says it was a flat-out mistake needs to think about all the ramifications of having a team with Malik Allen, Michael Sweetney, and Darius Songaila manning the center position.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 6, 2006 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

You're right, no way the Bulls could have replaced Chandler's 26 minutes a game of below average production.

Also, Ben Wallace signed with the Bulls because he got $60 million instead of $48 million.

And hey, let's look at the flip side of the Bulls' playoff run. How much more money did Hinrich (and especially Nocioni) make themselves in the playoffs? All right, now maybe I'm being a pain in the ass for no good reason.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, you are

First off, Chandler was not below-average production. Points, yes.

Secondly, Wallace did come for the money but if that was the ONLY factor, Krause would've landed McGrady (or his 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice) in '00.

And I don't want our players to be bad just so they don't ask for a lot of money later.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2006 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just saying

Noc probably made himself a lot of money in the playoffs. Obviously I don't want him to be bad either.

Didn't McGrady get more money in Orlando when you factor in that Florida has no state income tax?

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jul 6, 2006 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually...

All of Tyson's numbers were down last season except field goal percentage and assists (barely). Obviously if anyone had any idea that Chandler's production would go down instead of up, there would have been no debating that he wasn't worth the money at the time they signed him.

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 6, 2006 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

his numbers...

didn't drop off that much, and he isn't the type of player that shows up in the box score every night. The Bulls remained number one in oponent FG% thanks to good team defense AND Tyson Chandler intimidating in the paint.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hindsight is 20/20

It's easy to say signing Tyson was a mistake now, but at the time, if they didn't give him a contract he could have taken the one-year tender and become unrestricted this summer and the Bulls risked him walking with no compensation.

I don't doubt that they would have kept Tyson around if the Wallace deal didn't work out, but with Wallace, you've got two guys who are essentially the same player. Would you rather have a 4-time defensive player of the year or a 5-year vet who hasn't so much as made an all-star team or all-defenense team and commits about twice as many fouls?

I like Chandler and I think he'll eventually develop into a decent player, but this deal was a no-brainer. We've waited 5 years on Tyson and we needed to get a proven commodity instead of waiting and hoping Tyson would blossom into the next Ben Wallace.

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 6, 2006 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A quote about Chandler

I don't agree at all with this quote:

""After Noc, who else do we have that, as Pax once put it, "really cares?" The rest of our team barely ever shows emotion.""

Did Tyson really care? He didn't care enough to work on his game in the ofseason. He didn't care enough to work out at the Berto with the team. He always talk the talk but didn't walk the walk. He said yesterday on the score how depressed he was last year and how basketball is his life. Seriously, for him not to have a goto offense move it is depressing.

How can you not have 1 offensive move and your in the NBA? Everyone in this blog probably has a move than can get off in the crunch. I don't care if it is shooting the ball over the backboard when the other person has H-O-R-S.

98 said he will Cherish the memories swatting away balls. Next year Im going to cherish not seeing him hold the ball on the top of the key like a deer stuck in the head lights.

Duhon diving on the ground with a bad back for a loose ball - now thats someone who cares.

by Jesse07 on Jul 6, 2006 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

w/o a doubt

Duhon 'cares' more than Tyson, if for nothing other than he plays through injuries. I think it's short sighted to say that Hinrich doesn't care as much either. It's no stretch to say that, of all the teams in the NBA, our's would rank top-five in selflessness and dedication.

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pfft

a bunch of selfish jerks just won the NBA title. so...this attitude assessment is nice and all but not top priority.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2006 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

i was just pointing out that "caring" is not a quality that we lack. it definitely means diddly in today's game, but at least we have it. so we have that going for us.

by CookDing on Jul 6, 2006 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow!

I didn't know this blog had posts from people who are so close to the players.

by Paxson Jackson on Jul 6, 2006 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hit the point on head

how many years were we supposed to wait for Chandler to develop 1 offensive move? what was he waiting for?

by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2006 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Caring

I think there's a huge difference between caring and showing emotion. You're not often going to see Kirk pull his jersey and act a fool, but he's going to go out night in and night out and put in his work. To say he doesn't care is just ridiculous.

Pax has now purged all players from the Jerry Krause era and stocked this team with hard-working guys who show up to play and want to get better. (Except maybe JR Smith, from what I'm reading. But he was a throw-in.)

Now, the Bulls of three years ago, there's a bunch of guys who didn't care.

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 6, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

selfish jerks

I definately didn't want Gary Payton to win a championship. He is a disease and we all saw it start to rub off on D-Wade.

Duhon was an example of someone who cares definatley Kirk and the rest fit the bill also.

by Jesse07 on Jul 6, 2006 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's settle it

Caring can be shown many ways. By screaming after a dunk...or quiet selfless play. No one on the team the past year was selfish...it was ascrappy hard working team we could all be proud of.

secondly, unless Pax made a deal with the devil for PJ and JR to have career years, the move was a salary dump. Tyson had a great year 2 years ago with curry, and many thought he would continue. PLus i think the contract was inked before curry was dealt. It was a salary dump, after an upgrade wiht wallace, to resign the core. PJ and JR are nice assets, but if they couldnt have dumped his salary on someone, im sure pax would have tried to get reinsdorf out of his suite at Us Cellular and agreed to write chandler a check to retire. There was no way the team could have survived with chandler and wallace. it would have been like the sixers.

Actully thinking about it, Deal with the devil....would explain alot...plus pax is a ND kid

by milesgmsu on Jul 6, 2006 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Holy Shit

I've been out of the country since Sunday and I came back to all this!!!

Big Ben woo hoo!!!

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Jul 6, 2006 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome back dude

I was gone for the 4th weekend with no CPU and my brother and a friend called me within 5 minutes of each other to tell me the Big Ben news. I'm still catching up on the blog postings. This site has gone nuts!

by preverbal on Jul 6, 2006 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

the subject line says it all

by milesgmsu on Jul 6, 2006 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

OrlandoMagic.com

will be streamlining all 15 of this years Pepsi Pro Summer League games over the internet. They start July 10th at 3 p.m.

Because of limited seating at the venue they are showing them online. Now you can see our new guys in action. There is a link for the schedule on Bulls.com

by sue369 on Jul 6, 2006 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

Thanks!

by Mike Aparicio on Jul 6, 2006 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're welcome

by sue369 on Jul 6, 2006 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Calendars

FYI, I maintain three calendars: Bulls Games, Bulls Dates, and NBA Dates. This webpage explains the calendars:

http://www.itoph.com/html/chicago_bulls.html

Here is an example of what is going in this month:

http://itoph.no-ip.com/~toph/php/phpicalendar/print.php?cal=ChicagoBullsDates,ChicagoBullsGames,NBAD ates&getdate=20060707&printview=month

Chris

by tofferr on Jul 7, 2006 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice resource

Chris -- very nice work. I love the info and would never have the wherewithal to compile it myself.

by preverbal on Jul 8, 2006 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

The web interface to the calendars isn't the best. I like using it one of the calendar programs - like Mozilla Sunbird or Apple's iCal. I updated that page with some screenshots that show the calendars in Sunbird, iCal and my iPod.

Chris

by tofferr on Jul 10, 2006 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

Thanks Sue -- I was wondering if I'd get a chance to see any of these games!

by preverbal on Jul 8, 2006 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no problem

I can't wait for Iowa football!!

by sue369 on Jul 8, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chandler and 2007-2008

I hadn't been in chicago for about 5 years, being there when we got Big Ben? Fucking Spectacular. I really hate to see Ty1 go, love the guy, but i do think it would have been just awful with him and big ben together on the offense. However, defensively we would have been the single greatest defensive team in NBA history. Nobody would have been able to score on us... Its really all about us in Two years, with our (err...the knicks') lottery pick next year (Greg Oden? Joakim Noah??) and cash for a good FA? who knows.

by dcarioca on Jul 6, 2006 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs