Wallace signs with Bulls
While exact details are unavailable, the offer is thought to be a four-year, $52 million dollar deal.
Wow. Pax gets his man.
My first impressions are this:
1) This cripples Detroit. They've been clearing cap space for years letting guys like Okur, Milicic, and Arroyo go in Free Agency to sign Wallace, and not only do they lose him they are are capped out and need their exemptions to get his replacement.
2)Considering Nene just got 6/$60m, 4/$52 for Wallace is not all bad. I'd rather have 3 years instead of 4, but at least it's not a 5 year deal that caused Ben to jump. Methinks he really wanted out of Detroit more than we thought, this is not substantially more than they were offering him to stay.
3)Let the Tyson Chandler trade rumors begin. I think it's a bad move to just do a salary dump. I'd rather keep him for a year and see if this season re-invigorates his career. I'm thankful he was not sent back to Detroit in a sign/trade, that would've been a mistake.
4)Just once, throw out a Thomas, Chandler, Wallace frontcourt. Maybe give the first few rows helmets to protect themselves for all the blocked shots headed into the stands. :)
5)Thank god tommorow is a holiday. I'll have more on this then.
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YESSSSSSS
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 8:10 PM CDT
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Yes they will trade chandler
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I just read this
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Wallace bc
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If Tyson is traded
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Not really
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Jul 3, 2006 10:28 PM CDT
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New Orleans
by Colossus on
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Chandler
by Mike Aparicio on
Jul 3, 2006 9:38 PM CDT
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Good
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Big Ben gets #3....
As far as this move signing Wallace, I wasn't on board with it at first. But seeing in the corner, "Ben Wallace to sign w/ Bulls," I couldn't help but rejoice. This is huge for the Bulls. Wallace is just not an ordinary free agent. He is like Nash going to the Suns or like in football when Reggie White signed with the Packers. This makes the Bulls a hot spot for free agents in the future. Basically, once again, Pax did what Krause never could in the summer of 2000. Remember Benny the Bull visiting T-mac? Wallace can now mentor guys like Thomas, Deng, Noce and all the rest of our frontcourt players. I'm starting to believe with Chandler possibly gone, there are more positives than negatives in this deal.
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Jul 3, 2006 10:03 PM CDT
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Jul 3, 2006 10:33 PM CDT
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initial thoughts...
- Pax is going to be executive of the year in 06-07... we've all felt it for a while now, but lately the media has been bringing up his ability as well. I feel like this summer may have solidified it.
- I absolutely love that we took the number 1 free agent prize of the summer and even more so that we took him from the Pistons. I have a deep hatred for that club (as I'm sure many of you do) more so than any other team in the league. For me the moment that I can never get out of my head is when that ass Isiah and his crew walked off the court early after getting swept by the Bulls in the 91 conference finals in a complete showing disrespect and plainly no class whatsoever. As a side note: I have taken a little extra pleasure in knowing that it has been Isiah that Pax has completely trounced as a GM... twice... one move of which is a two year long source of satisfaction (can't wait to use NY's pick next year... in the Garden... with a new NY GM in place).
- I have been against trading Chandler all along. From the lowest points of the rebuilding era he has been one of, if not my single favorite Bull. He had passion for the game and the team when no one else did. But... I think I am starting to agree with some of you that it may be time. I didn't think a player like Wilcox or Gooden would work next to Chandler because I don't think Wilcox, Gooden, or even Chandler should be guarding 5's. But Wallace can and does guard true centers (and presently the truest NBA center) better than anyone else in the entire league. I'm still not entirely sold on trading Ty1... because this move clearly puts him back at the 4 and may light something within him as he won't be the only true low post guy on our team anymore... and maybe Ben can bring something out of him... and more importantly reduce the pressure on him. But... in reference back to initial thought #1... if Pax thinks it's the right move to make... it is... and I can't believe other wise till it happens... period.
- I think this clearly raises next season's goal. I think any one of us would have said next season's goal was to win a playoff series. I just don't think that's the case any more... at this albeit far too early point... I have to imagine that next season's realistic goal has to be to make it to the conference finals. We'll see... but this is why Pax has stressed getting mentally strong players all along right... because they don't crumble under expectations... well both our front line and our expectations just got a lot stronger... will they?
by micah on
Jul 3, 2006 10:36 PM CDT
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by Mike Aparicio on
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It better be....
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Jul 3, 2006 10:41 PM CDT
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Quick Question about cap room...
I can see why some of you might want to keep Chandler for another 1/2 year 'til the trading deadline or a full year so he can learn from Wallace and/or just prove he's worth his contract and to improve his trade stock.
But I don't think Paxson wants to wait at all since he'd be paying 23 mil+ to 2 players who are just there for defense and minimal offense. You saw how Chandler folded up like a blanket in the playoffs last year. With Wallace on the team, playoffs are going to be expected and even conference finals. We can't have any more of Chandler not expecting passes. You can't be encouraged how he continues to work out in California by himself and not at the Berto Center like Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng do. I think he is just useless in a Bulls uniform anymore.
by RingItUp26 on
Jul 3, 2006 10:39 PM CDT
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+17m we'd have on our books this season from the Wallace and New Orleans deals.
I hope that answered your question.
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 10:45 PM CDT
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Mid-Level Exception
by Mike Aparicio on
Jul 4, 2006 7:24 AM CDT
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In Pax
I cannot wait for the Big Ben Era. Hell yeah!
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Jul 3, 2006 10:41 PM CDT
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Detroit News: Chandler-P.J. Brown trade likely
"One option the Pistons were hoping for didn't materialize. They had hoped to maybe get Tyson Chandler back from Chicago as part of a sign-and-trade. However, it appears the Bulls are going to trade Chandler to the New Orleans-Oklahoma City Hornets in exchange for P.J. Brown. While Chandler has five years and $54 million left on his contract, Brown's $8 million will come off the books after next season.
It was that deal that helped pave the way for Wallace's signing."
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 10:46 PM CDT
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Thank You
These deals make so much sense its absurd. Brown will hopefully take on a Tim Thomas role (Bulls bench Thomas, not clutch Suns Thomas), while Ben is a huggggggggggggggggggge upgrade at almost the exact same price. I can't stop being happy about this turn of events.
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Jul 3, 2006 10:53 PM CDT
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Wallace & Chandler
Wallace will be a great mentor with his work ethic and championship experience. I cannot believe the Bulls could get any tougher or hardworking. Man I wish I could go watch them practice it is going to be a battle.
Anybody have the top teams odds to win it all next year?
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Jul 3, 2006 10:55 PM CDT
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by Big D on
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ESPN just updated
by KDesai on
Jul 3, 2006 11:04 PM CDT
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$60m is only
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Jul 3, 2006 11:09 PM CDT
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by Jesse07 on
Jul 3, 2006 11:05 PM CDT
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Wallace
Anyway, I do love the signing and figure that dealing TC would definitely be a must, just to dump his salary and make up for Wallace's. Hinrich and Nocioni are FA's in 07 (Sweetney too, though less of a priority right now) and need to be re-signed so this team is quickly rounding into shape based on cap limitations. Still, the Bulls could have some money left next year if they trade TC for PJ Brown since Brown's contract is up in 07 too. Also, the Bulls can (and will) swap picks with NY next draft which helps even more.
GREAT JOB PAX!!!!!!!!
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Jul 3, 2006 11:07 PM CDT
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by hokiefan0705 on
Jul 3, 2006 11:09 PM CDT
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Holy crap
Sweets won't be back after next season. Sorry.
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 11:11 PM CDT
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how many sizes do they come in?
by micah on
Jul 3, 2006 11:12 PM CDT
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Damn, you beat me . . .
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 11:13 PM CDT
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The Sweetney jersey
Sorry, that was too easy to pass up.
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by rquinsee on
Jul 3, 2006 11:29 PM CDT
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Best Bulls Jersey
by hongydraw on
Jul 4, 2006 12:24 PM CDT
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Haha
Redick was great at Duke and he'll end up being great in the NBA, so I want him on the Bulls for that reason.
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:35 PM CDT
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Jul 4, 2006 12:36 PM CDT
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His free throw shooting has to change!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Jul 3, 2006 11:09 PM CDT
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Stay Bad
by mminicilli on
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Jul 3, 2006 11:15 PM CDT
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"It's my understanding that this was Jerry Reinsdorf's call, not John Paxson's. Pax was going to look at Joel Pryzbilla, who's much younger and would have come much cheaper."
Now I have my doubts...
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Jul 3, 2006 11:35 PM CDT
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Although...
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Jul 3, 2006 11:40 PM CDT
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this doesn't bother me because...
- I don't think Reinsdorf would go against Pax and Skiles... I just think that all three of them were on board and that Reinsdorf likely said do what it takes... also apparently he's good friends with Ben's agent? I can't remember where I read that... but it was likely on EPSN some place...
- This may be the first non-verbal indication that Reinsdorf will stand by his word to pay for a contending team (well at least in this millennium)... because in all likelihood with this contract and the contracts of the core in the upcoming years he will be.
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Jul 3, 2006 11:42 PM CDT
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I have no doubts
Now, let's just get JJ Redick :)
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 11:43 PM CDT
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Have you seen him play?
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Jul 3, 2006 11:56 PM CDT
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I did watch
by sue369 on
Jul 3, 2006 11:59 PM CDT
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It's the threat though
He'd provide great offense and could put up big numbers on any given day.
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:04 AM CDT
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Whose place
by sue369 on
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Depends
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I wouldn't
by sue369 on
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I don't expect it to happen
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:14 AM CDT
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by micah on
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Reinsdorf
by LD9 on
Jul 4, 2006 12:18 AM CDT
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Keep the cornrows/fro...
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Sportscenter
by LD9 on
Jul 4, 2006 12:09 AM CDT
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Bulls.com
Report: Big Ben on his way to Chicago?
They pretty much say what has already been said.
by sue369 on
Jul 4, 2006 12:23 AM CDT
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My two cents
As the reports have said, you CLEARLY have to deal Tyson. Had he played better last year, then maybe they could have kept him, but we can't have two big salaries up front that can't score. I'm a Tyson defender, and I believe he'll be much better this year. Don't forget that he was key in many of our victories over the last two seasons (including game-winning blocks against Carmello Anthony and Paul Pierce this season). But oh well - we've upgraded and need to dump his salary. Not to mention the fact that he is no mentor for Ty2.
My Piston fan friends are upset for the most part. They didn't see this coming (neither did I). Maybe now everyone can stop kissing Joe Dumars' arse. I think it was his fault for the Pistons playoff failure. They had no bench and had to play their starters way too many minutes in the regular season. The only starter that played even moderately well in the playoffs was Tayshaun (the youngest of the bunch).
People who said they hate the Pistons - I've moved on since the early 90s. I actually like eveyrone on the current Pistons except for Rip Hamilton (he is a b*tch). Joe Dumars never walked off the court, and he stuck around to congratulate the Bulls. Besides, if you cheered for Rodman in the late 90s, you must have forgiven him bolting the court as well as shoving Scottie into the basket support late in the third quarter of a Game 4 sweeo blowout. (By the way, I still hold a grudge against Rodman for that and always thought he was overrated on the Bulls, anyway - but yes, I've moved on. What I'm trying to say is I'm a hypocrite...)
In any event, this is certainly an exciting day. Bulls are contenders right now, and that was the goal. The division is now wide open. We'll see if Flip can really coach. Plus, Piston fans will never, ever forgive us for this, even if Ben ends up stinking it up (the renewal of a rivalry is more than likely). So that's fun, too.
by corey williams corey benjamin on
Jul 4, 2006 1:22 AM CDT
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yeah...
by micah on
Jul 4, 2006 1:35 AM CDT
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Hilarious
by RingItUp26 on
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Pax
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Last Summer
Also, four years from now when Big Ben gets off the books - maybe it will be time to pay another superstar Tyrus or (Ogden)?
Josh McRoberts in 07
by Jesse07 on
Jul 4, 2006 8:13 AM CDT
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weird symptoms
a sweetney jersey? wow.....im somewhat pissed...i gotta ditch the chandler jersey....
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Jul 4, 2006 8:30 AM CDT
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Same here...
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Jul 4, 2006 11:02 AM CDT
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wow!
I guess we could have gotten Boozer, Camby or Murphy as well but decided on the expiring contract of PJ Brown (and perhaps JR Smith thrown in). Not bad. PJ is probably the most reliable.
Somewhere in a Detroit gutter lies Joe Dumar's heart...
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Jul 4, 2006 9:02 AM CDT
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Brown/Smith
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post scoring
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post scoring
I think most of the scoring in the paint this year will be the result of dunks, back door cuts (Lou), and general havock on the offensive glass.
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Jul 4, 2006 9:46 AM CDT
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just curious
i'm also curious to see what kind of pace we play. we have the guys to run but at the same time it is easier to stop opponents by playing a slower pace.
Since we're also mainly a jumpshooting and cutting team, it will still be hard to maintain a lead.
Time for Big Ben to unleash his hook! Or throw a flailing pass that hits the rim for T2 to slam it home!
by CRG on
Jul 4, 2006 9:53 AM CDT
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another plus to the wallace signing
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Jul 4, 2006 10:12 AM CDT
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post up scorers
by Sambossanova on
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Collison!
by CRG on
Jul 4, 2006 10:17 AM CDT
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He could be a good role player
by jamestkirk on
Jul 4, 2006 11:40 AM CDT
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Love Big Ben
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Jul 4, 2006 11:11 AM CDT
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it's hard to say no to KG
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Big BEN!!! (the trade and salary cap)
Imagine if we would have kept Curry. He would have been paid around 10-12 million a year.... Trading him, freed up the salary cap to get Wallace. Which player and contract would you rather have right now?? Big Ben's hands down. Plus you might still get a high pick for the Curry trade. So, what would you rather have: Eddy Curry for 80+ mil for 6 years or Big Ben 60 mil for 4 years and NYK draft pick next year (and TY2).
And another aspect of Big Ben's contract is that it is for 4 years, but that doesnt mean he will be a Bulls for 4 years. How many players (vets) are traded in their last year for cap reasons? I am sure that 3 years from now, when Ben's contract has 1 year left at 15 million, he will be in HIGH demand once again.
by dazcorp on
Jul 4, 2006 11:13 AM CDT
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Matt's been unusually quite
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I'm observing
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jul 4, 2006 11:43 AM CDT
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Matt
/only half serious
//knows it will never happen
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 11:54 AM CDT
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I don't think about trading for reddick
plus it won't happen anyway.
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Jul 4, 2006 12:10 PM CDT
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We just need someone to draw a double team
You still think we should go after Gansey as an undrafted FA?
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seriously
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Like I said earlier....
Just wait and watch Redick turn into a star. He's in great place to do it. Howard will draw the double team and Redick will be able to get open. Nelson can dish assists well and will only get better, so they don't have to worry about not having a good PG.
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Jul 4, 2006 12:22 PM CDT
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JJ
He's better off on a team that just kicks it out of the double-team.
Can we please stop talking about him? We already had a Duke point guard who was reckless on the road - and we all know how that turned out...
Sorry Jay. I know I should go straight to hell for that one.
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Jul 4, 2006 12:49 PM CDT
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maybe you're going to hell
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JJ
by Mike Aparicio on
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Przy could be in Detroit:
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Why 60 Million?
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Blogging the enemy
"last night i was pissed off when i found out ben wallace signed with the bulls and as i look at all of this i was just thinking if darko was still here he could have started in big be place when the piston made the trade for calvin kato it could come bite the pistons in the ass because with that trade we really didnt get anything in return when darko played for the magic he was doing pretty well now that been is gone everything is screwed up this year free agents there arnt any good centers and why would u want to start mcdyess when hes one of r best bench players it is going to b hard to overcome this"
-- HOLY CRAP! We take Ben away and the fans are reduced to "If only we still had DARKO!"
ROTFLMAO!
... hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Jul 4, 2006 1:57 PM CDT
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it's a valid point
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I guess...
by Mike Aparicio on
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couple thoughts
- I like Ben Wallace's game and how it fits the Bulls with defensive prowess, defensive backbone, and ferocious competitor.
- Paxson got his man, one of the few diamonds in the Free Agency market this off season. He targeted him, and unlike his predecessor, he landed him. If this blows up in Pax's face, at least he can't make excuses and say he was working with less-than top level talent.
- Did Chicago just become a valued destination again? Crumbs and the environment were so dismal, no one wnated to be anywhere near the Berto Center.
These are really great days to be a Bulls fan and I can't wait for November to get here.
by james@lifeinthecell on
Jul 4, 2006 6:21 PM CDT
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Doesn't preseason
by sue369 on
Jul 4, 2006 6:56 PM CDT
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season opener is normally first week of nov
by james@lifeinthecell on
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I was talking about
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Tickets
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I wish....
Anyone know how much exactly Nazr signed for? All the bigs this year will roughly be in Big Ben's salary range. So yeah, it's okay that we spent 12 mil more than the Pistons offered at first. Better than a bidding war later in free agency.
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roughly $5 million per
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