Wallace signs with Bulls
While exact details are unavailable, the offer is thought to be a four-year, $52 million dollar deal.
Wow. Pax gets his man.
My first impressions are this:
1) This cripples Detroit. They've been clearing cap space for years letting guys like Okur, Milicic, and Arroyo go in Free Agency to sign Wallace, and not only do they lose him they are are capped out and need their exemptions to get his replacement.
2)Considering Nene just got 6/$60m, 4/$52 for Wallace is not all bad. I'd rather have 3 years instead of 4, but at least it's not a 5 year deal that caused Ben to jump. Methinks he really wanted out of Detroit more than we thought, this is not substantially more than they were offering him to stay.
3)Let the Tyson Chandler trade rumors begin. I think it's a bad move to just do a salary dump. I'd rather keep him for a year and see if this season re-invigorates his career. I'm thankful he was not sent back to Detroit in a sign/trade, that would've been a mistake.
4)Just once, throw out a Thomas, Chandler, Wallace frontcourt. Maybe give the first few rows helmets to protect themselves for all the blocked shots headed into the stands. :)
5)Thank god tommorow is a holiday. I'll have more on this then.
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YESSSSSSS
by Big D on Jul 3, 2006 8:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Gasol
by vtown754 on
Jul 3, 2006 8:26 PM CDT
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Yes they will trade chandler
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 3, 2006 8:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
by vtown754 on
Jul 3, 2006 8:33 PM CDT
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I just read this
by sue369 on Jul 3, 2006 8:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Wallace bc
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 9:20 PM CDT
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If Tyson is traded
by vtown754 on Jul 3, 2006 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Not really
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 10:28 PM CDT
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New Orleans
by Colossus on Jul 3, 2006 9:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Chandler
by Mike Aparicio on Jul 3, 2006 9:38 PM CDT 0 recs
How about
by hlac on Jul 3, 2006 9:42 PM CDT 0 recs
Big Ben gets #3....
As far as this move signing Wallace, I wasn't on board with it at first. But seeing in the corner, "Ben Wallace to sign w/ Bulls," I couldn't help but rejoice. This is huge for the Bulls. Wallace is just not an ordinary free agent. He is like Nash going to the Suns or like in football when Reggie White signed with the Packers. This makes the Bulls a hot spot for free agents in the future. Basically, once again, Pax did what Krause never could in the summer of 2000. Remember Benny the Bull visiting T-mac? Wallace can now mentor guys like Thomas, Deng, Noce and all the rest of our frontcourt players. I'm starting to believe with Chandler possibly gone, there are more positives than negatives in this deal.
by RingItUp26 on Jul 3, 2006 10:03 PM CDT 0 recs
William Jackson
by sue369 on Jul 3, 2006 10:33 PM CDT 0 recs
initial thoughts...
- Pax is going to be executive of the year in 06-07... we've all felt it for a while now, but lately the media has been bringing up his ability as well. I feel like this summer may have solidified it.
- I absolutely love that we took the number 1 free agent prize of the summer and even more so that we took him from the Pistons. I have a deep hatred for that club (as I'm sure many of you do) more so than any other team in the league. For me the moment that I can never get out of my head is when that ass Isiah and his crew walked off the court early after getting swept by the Bulls in the 91 conference finals in a complete showing disrespect and plainly no class whatsoever. As a side note: I have taken a little extra pleasure in knowing that it has been Isiah that Pax has completely trounced as a GM... twice... one move of which is a two year long source of satisfaction (can't wait to use NY's pick next year... in the Garden... with a new NY GM in place).
- I have been against trading Chandler all along. From the lowest points of the rebuilding era he has been one of, if not my single favorite Bull. He had passion for the game and the team when no one else did. But... I think I am starting to agree with some of you that it may be time. I didn't think a player like Wilcox or Gooden would work next to Chandler because I don't think Wilcox, Gooden, or even Chandler should be guarding 5's. But Wallace can and does guard true centers (and presently the truest NBA center) better than anyone else in the entire league. I'm still not entirely sold on trading Ty1... because this move clearly puts him back at the 4 and may light something within him as he won't be the only true low post guy on our team anymore... and maybe Ben can bring something out of him... and more importantly reduce the pressure on him. But... in reference back to initial thought #1... if Pax thinks it's the right move to make... it is... and I can't believe other wise till it happens... period.
- I think this clearly raises next season's goal. I think any one of us would have said next season's goal was to win a playoff series. I just don't think that's the case any more... at this albeit far too early point... I have to imagine that next season's realistic goal has to be to make it to the conference finals. We'll see... but this is why Pax has stressed getting mentally strong players all along right... because they don't crumble under expectations... well both our front line and our expectations just got a lot stronger... will they?
by micah on Jul 3, 2006 10:36 PM CDT 0 recs
#2
by Mike Aparicio on
Jul 3, 2006 11:11 PM CDT
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Numbers
by bullshooter on Jul 3, 2006 10:36 PM CDT 0 recs
It better be....
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 10:41 PM CDT
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Quick Question about cap room...
I can see why some of you might want to keep Chandler for another 1/2 year 'til the trading deadline or a full year so he can learn from Wallace and/or just prove he's worth his contract and to improve his trade stock.
But I don't think Paxson wants to wait at all since he'd be paying 23 mil+ to 2 players who are just there for defense and minimal offense. You saw how Chandler folded up like a blanket in the playoffs last year. With Wallace on the team, playoffs are going to be expected and even conference finals. We can't have any more of Chandler not expecting passes. You can't be encouraged how he continues to work out in California by himself and not at the Berto Center like Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng do. I think he is just useless in a Bulls uniform anymore.
by RingItUp26 on Jul 3, 2006 10:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Chandler
+18
+9
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+17m we'd have on our books this season from the Wallace and New Orleans deals.
I hope that answered your question.
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 10:45 PM CDT
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Also
by Mike Aparicio on
Jul 3, 2006 11:16 PM CDT
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Mid-Level Exception
by Mike Aparicio on
Jul 4, 2006 7:24 AM CDT
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In Pax
I cannot wait for the Big Ben Era. Hell yeah!
by mminicilli on Jul 3, 2006 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Detroit News: Chandler-P.J. Brown trade likely
"One option the Pistons were hoping for didn't materialize. They had hoped to maybe get Tyson Chandler back from Chicago as part of a sign-and-trade. However, it appears the Bulls are going to trade Chandler to the New Orleans-Oklahoma City Hornets in exchange for P.J. Brown. While Chandler has five years and $54 million left on his contract, Brown's $8 million will come off the books after next season.
It was that deal that helped pave the way for Wallace's signing."
by Big D on Jul 3, 2006 10:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Thank You
These deals make so much sense its absurd. Brown will hopefully take on a Tim Thomas role (Bulls bench Thomas, not clutch Suns Thomas), while Ben is a huggggggggggggggggggge upgrade at almost the exact same price. I can't stop being happy about this turn of events.
by mminicilli on
Jul 3, 2006 10:53 PM CDT
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Wallace & Chandler
Wallace will be a great mentor with his work ethic and championship experience. I cannot believe the Bulls could get any tougher or hardworking. Man I wish I could go watch them practice it is going to be a battle.
Anybody have the top teams odds to win it all next year?
by Jesse07 on Jul 3, 2006 10:55 PM CDT 0 recs
sweets
by hokiefan0705 on Jul 3, 2006 10:55 PM CDT 0 recs
Sweets
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 11:03 PM CDT
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My bad
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 11:05 PM CDT
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ESPN just updated
by KDesai on Jul 3, 2006 11:04 PM CDT 0 recs
it's the
by CookDing on
Jul 5, 2006 9:31 AM CDT
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Oops
by Jesse07 on Jul 3, 2006 11:05 PM CDT 0 recs
Wallace
Anyway, I do love the signing and figure that dealing TC would definitely be a must, just to dump his salary and make up for Wallace's. Hinrich and Nocioni are FA's in 07 (Sweetney too, though less of a priority right now) and need to be re-signed so this team is quickly rounding into shape based on cap limitations. Still, the Bulls could have some money left next year if they trade TC for PJ Brown since Brown's contract is up in 07 too. Also, the Bulls can (and will) swap picks with NY next draft which helps even more.
GREAT JOB PAX!!!!!!!!
by ericpratt13 on Jul 3, 2006 11:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Sweets
by hokiefan0705 on Jul 3, 2006 11:09 PM CDT 0 recs
Holy crap
Sweets won't be back after next season. Sorry.
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 11:11 PM CDT
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how many sizes do they come in?
by micah on
Jul 3, 2006 11:12 PM CDT
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Damn, you beat me . . .
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 11:13 PM CDT
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The Sweetney jersey
Sorry, that was too easy to pass up.
by Big D on
Jul 3, 2006 11:12 PM CDT
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Best Bulls Jersey
by hongydraw on
Jul 4, 2006 12:24 PM CDT
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Haha
Redick was great at Duke and he'll end up being great in the NBA, so I want him on the Bulls for that reason.
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:35 PM CDT
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Also
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:36 PM CDT
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His free throw shooting has to change!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 3, 2006 11:09 PM CDT 0 recs
Stay Bad
by mminicilli on Jul 3, 2006 11:12 PM CDT 0 recs
soft?
by Sambossanova on
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Sweets
by hokiefan0705 on Jul 3, 2006 11:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Crap
"It's my understanding that this was Jerry Reinsdorf's call, not John Paxson's. Pax was going to look at Joel Pryzbilla, who's much younger and would have come much cheaper."
Now I have my doubts...
by mminicilli on Jul 3, 2006 11:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Although...
by mminicilli on
Jul 3, 2006 11:40 PM CDT
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this doesn't bother me because...
- I don't think Reinsdorf would go against Pax and Skiles... I just think that all three of them were on board and that Reinsdorf likely said do what it takes... also apparently he's good friends with Ben's agent? I can't remember where I read that... but it was likely on EPSN some place...
- This may be the first non-verbal indication that Reinsdorf will stand by his word to pay for a contending team (well at least in this millennium)... because in all likelihood with this contract and the contracts of the core in the upcoming years he will be.
by micah on
Jul 3, 2006 11:42 PM CDT
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I have no doubts
Now, let's just get JJ Redick :)
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 11:43 PM CDT
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Have you seen him play?
by Colossus on
Jul 3, 2006 11:56 PM CDT
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I did watch
by sue369 on
Jul 3, 2006 11:59 PM CDT
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It's the threat though
He'd provide great offense and could put up big numbers on any given day.
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:04 AM CDT
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Depends
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:11 AM CDT
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I wouldn't
by sue369 on
Jul 4, 2006 12:13 AM CDT
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I don't expect it to happen
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:14 AM CDT
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yikes...
by micah on
Jul 4, 2006 12:06 AM CDT
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Watch
by Colossus on
Jul 4, 2006 12:13 AM CDT
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Reinsdorf
by LD9 on
Jul 4, 2006 12:18 AM CDT
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Keep the cornrows/fro...
by RingItUp26 on Jul 3, 2006 11:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Sportscenter
by LD9 on Jul 4, 2006 12:09 AM CDT 0 recs
Bulls.com
Report: Big Ben on his way to Chicago?
They pretty much say what has already been said.
by sue369 on Jul 4, 2006 12:23 AM CDT 0 recs
My two cents
As the reports have said, you CLEARLY have to deal Tyson. Had he played better last year, then maybe they could have kept him, but we can't have two big salaries up front that can't score. I'm a Tyson defender, and I believe he'll be much better this year. Don't forget that he was key in many of our victories over the last two seasons (including game-winning blocks against Carmello Anthony and Paul Pierce this season). But oh well - we've upgraded and need to dump his salary. Not to mention the fact that he is no mentor for Ty2.
My Piston fan friends are upset for the most part. They didn't see this coming (neither did I). Maybe now everyone can stop kissing Joe Dumars' arse. I think it was his fault for the Pistons playoff failure. They had no bench and had to play their starters way too many minutes in the regular season. The only starter that played even moderately well in the playoffs was Tayshaun (the youngest of the bunch).
People who said they hate the Pistons - I've moved on since the early 90s. I actually like eveyrone on the current Pistons except for Rip Hamilton (he is a b*tch). Joe Dumars never walked off the court, and he stuck around to congratulate the Bulls. Besides, if you cheered for Rodman in the late 90s, you must have forgiven him bolting the court as well as shoving Scottie into the basket support late in the third quarter of a Game 4 sweeo blowout. (By the way, I still hold a grudge against Rodman for that and always thought he was overrated on the Bulls, anyway - but yes, I've moved on. What I'm trying to say is I'm a hypocrite...)
In any event, this is certainly an exciting day. Bulls are contenders right now, and that was the goal. The division is now wide open. We'll see if Flip can really coach. Plus, Piston fans will never, ever forgive us for this, even if Ben ends up stinking it up (the renewal of a rivalry is more than likely). So that's fun, too.
by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 4, 2006 1:22 AM CDT 0 recs
yeah...
by micah on
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Hilarious
by RingItUp26 on Jul 4, 2006 1:55 AM CDT 0 recs
Pax
by mike bornemann on Jul 4, 2006 2:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Last Summer
Also, four years from now when Big Ben gets off the books - maybe it will be time to pay another superstar Tyrus or (Ogden)?
Josh McRoberts in 07
by Jesse07 on Jul 4, 2006 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
weird symptoms
a sweetney jersey? wow.....im somewhat pissed...i gotta ditch the chandler jersey....
by milesgmsu on Jul 4, 2006 8:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Same here...
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wow!
I guess we could have gotten Boozer, Camby or Murphy as well but decided on the expiring contract of PJ Brown (and perhaps JR Smith thrown in). Not bad. PJ is probably the most reliable.
Somewhere in a Detroit gutter lies Joe Dumar's heart...
by CRG on Jul 4, 2006 9:02 AM CDT 0 recs


