Building on it
Promoted from the diaries. Some good discussion in the subsequent comments, regarding the maligned yet most likely course of the offseason: keeping the 2 picks and signing a couple midlevel FAs. -Matt
Building on the draft talk, I thought it might be cool to talk free agents.
The general opinion seems to be that the Bulls will be shooting for a big gun this season (Garnett, Harrington, etc.). Personally, I'm not sold on any big name idea aside from Garnett (which seems like a pipedream to me). Mining the web for lower-tier FA revealed a nice pool of PF/C's that might mesh well with our team. Mohammed, Gooden, Wilcox, Przybilla, etc. Wilcox in particular might be a great find. Check out his numbers...
Team G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
LAC 48 1 13.7 90-168 .536 0-2 .000 38-59 .644 1.0 2.6 3.6 .4 .31 .44 .67 2.10 4.5
SEA 18 12 28.7 107-174 .615 0-0 .000 35-46 .761 2.4 4.5 6.9 1.1 .44 .22 1.33 3.20 13.8
I'm sure that looks garbled, the numbers that matter are 14 pts/gm, 7 boards, 1 steal. also, 61.5% the field.
I really think that we can land one-two solid, reasonably priced FA in this summer's market. Not many teams have money and a good portion of the players probably won't cost a lot.
Personally, i think Wilcox would shine on our team.
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Stay away from Dwight Gooden
Drew Gooden might be a good pick up though. :)
Stretch run
Doc Gooden
Pryzbilla
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2006 1:09 PM CST reply actions
F) None of the above
listen
Sorry
My vote goes to Mohammed. Hopefully a reasonable deal is around $6-8 mil/year and Nazr will give the Bulls a hometown discount.
Al Harrington/ Wilcox/Gooden & Bull Culture
My concern with Wilcox is that up until this year he had not shown much.
Gooden is a possibility because Hinrich endorses him and the Cavs will be hard pressed to match any offer.
Lastly - we must be aware of the Bull Culture factor - gym rat is required as well as a hard worker in practice. Actual skills may vary or not included.
by cje on Mar 29, 2006 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
and then some
And after mentioning all of this, I can't help but point out that this guy was a pretty decent disappointment when he played in the Big 10 (Minny?).
Right
Yes to Nazr
He's been fairly steady, hasn't he, or is my memory playing tricks? I think that may be more important than a lot of things.
Sometime this summer, I think a trade is going to happen for another veteran player, too. Things will be different.
by KT on Mar 29, 2006 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Forget about Przybilla
Toronto may bite
I think he fits more there anyway, because Pryz/Bosh would be a defense/offense combination. The Bulls should look in the Frontcourt for a low-post scorer.
That's why I like Wilcox too, although the Sonics can match any offer and he is a prime candidate for contract-year theory.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 29, 2006 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
good points
Can they get both?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Mar 29, 2006 9:38 PM CST reply actions
I don't like Harrington or any other 3/4.
Pax confirms Bull Culture
Draft route - Alderich is supposedly a gym rat would be good in the low post but perhaps strong enough to defend. Tyrus Thomas has potential but does anyone know his work habits? Scottie Pippen has endorsed Ronnie Brewer (more as a point forward)but his shot is wierd. I like Shelden Williams but not with our first pick.
Free agent route - Is Nazr a hard worker? Does anyone know his work habit? If okay, I would target him. Al Harington is not big enough to play the 4 and we have enough at the 3. Drew Gooden is endorsed by Captain Kirk. I would target him too. I am not aware of any guards that are free agents. Likely we will sign antonio davis for minimum now that he has been released.
Trade - Obvious - Kevin Garnet fills leadership and low post and hard working needs but at what price? I would be interested in what 2 guards will be available.
by cje on Mar 30, 2006 8:39 AM CST reply actions
"Bulls Culture"
where the good lord split ya
i'm inclined to believe that this is more than just talk, it's a culture. they've drafted experience and effort over potential and flash and, more than any other team, the word "effort" gets put out there.
Thinking of E-Rob?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Poor Zach Randolph
How dare that mean Nate McMillan make them practice today! Just because they've lost 9 in a row, that doesn't mean they need practice.
Seriously though, if Paul Allen wonders why fans aren't going to his team's games, this is a great example of why.
I think
didn't work hard?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Mar 30, 2006 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldn't mind seeing
Wait untill 2007????
The only way to get a star with the right attitude for the Bulls is via trade. KG is off table. Ben Maller mentioned bosch but why would Toronto trade him. Jason Richardson may be interesting but its tough to pay a guard with a max contract that is not the equivalent of MJ. Drew Goodin will help but he is not a star.
Separately, my draft list based on work ethic, team needs, and talent is as follows (based on what I have read which may or may not be true) - Aldrige, Tyler of LSU, Noach of Florida, Sheldon Williams, and Ronnie Brewer.
by cje on Mar 30, 2006 11:00 AM CST reply actions
Bosh isn't going anywhere
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
future obligations
And during THAT summer, Gordon and Deng will be up for extensions. Won't necessarily put them over the cap but you can see the money dwinding. Songaila will probably get paid as well but figure he'll get Othella's money.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
What Free Agents will Cost
I couldn't find out what Chandler actually signed for but I had 6 Years $63 Mil down from last Summer.
Player New Team 05-06 Multi - Year
Tyson Chandler Chicago 9.3 $63.0 Mil 6 Years
Zy Ilgauskas Cleveland 9.2 $55.0 Mil 5 Years
Sl Dalembert Phila 8.0 $53.6 Mil 6 Years
Kwame Brown Lakers 7.5 $24.8 Mil 3 Years
Eddy Curry New York 7.4 ????
Antoine Walker Miami 7.0 $43.0 Mil 5 Years
Stromile Swift Houston 5.0 $22.4 Mil 4 Years
Udonis Haslem Miami 5.0 $33.0 Mil 5 Years
Jerome James N Y 5.0 $29.0 Mil 5 Years
Don Marshall Cleve 4.8 $20.0 Mil 4 Years
Dan Gadzuric Milw 4.8 $36.0 Mil 6 Years
Zaza Pachulia Atl 4.0 $16.0 Mil 4 Years
Otha Harrington Chic 3.5 One Year
Vlad Radmanovic Sea 3.2 Signed qualifying offer
Zeljko Rebraca Clips 3.0 9.0 Mil 3 Years
Robert Horry San An 3.0 $10.0 Mil 3 Years
Steven Hunter Phila 2.8 $15.0 Mil 5 Years
Brn Scalabrine Boston 2.6 $8.7 Mil 3 Years
D Songailia Chicago 2.2 $4.6 Mil 2 Years
DeSagana Diop Dallas 2.0 $6.48 Mil 3 Years
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 2.0 $4.2 Mil 2 Years
Mark Madsen Minn 2.0 $12.1 Mil 5 Years
Jake Voskul Charl 1.9 One Year
Fabrico Umberto San An 1.9 $7.3 Mil 3 Years
Malik Allen Chicago 1.7 One Year
Michael Ruffin Wash 1.7 $3.5 Mil 2 Years
Alan Henderson Cleve 1.1 One Year
Mikki Moore Seattle 1.0 One Year
Big Guard Possibilities
Jason Richardson - expensive
Michael Pietrus - Budget buy
Joe Johnson - doubt he is available
Paul Pierce - doubt he is available
Ray Allen - not young enough
Correy Maggette - injury prone?
Josh Howard - doubt he is available
Who did I leave out that is realistic?
by cje on Mar 30, 2006 11:56 AM CST reply actions
Marquis Grissom
Here's this summer's FA crop which should act as a nice follow-up to OldeBull's comment.
The 2006 NBA Free Agent Class
Player Option Year Player Option Year Player Option Year
Aaron McKie player '06 Frank Williams team '06 Michael Finley player '06
Al Harrington '06 Fred Hoiberg '06 Michael Olowokandi '06
Alvin Williams player '06 Fred Jones '06 Mike Dunleavy '06
Amare Stoudemire '06 George Lynch '06 Mike James player '06
Andre Emmett '06 Jackson Vroman '06 Nazr Mohammed '06
Anfernee Hardaway '06 Jacque Vaughn team '06 Nene '06
Antonio Burks '06 James Posey player '06 Nick Van Exel '06
Antonio Davis '06 Jared Jeffries '06 Nikoloz Tskitishvili team '06
Ben Wallace '06 Jarron Collins '06 Pape Sow team '06
Bernard Robinson '06 Jason Collier '06 Paul Shirley '06
Bonzi Wells team '06 Jason Hart player '06 Predrag Stojakovic player '06
Bostjan Nachbar team '06 Jason Terry '06 Rasual Butler '06
Caron Butler '06 Jim Jackson '06 Raul Lopez '06
Casey Jacobsen team '06 Jiri Welsch '06 Reggie Miller '06
Chris Webber player '06 Joel Przybilla '06 Robert Traylor team '06
Chris Wilcox '06 John Salmons '06 Ron Mercer player '06
Chucky Atkins '06 Juan Dixon team '06 Ronald Dupree '06
Clarence Weatherspoon '06 Jumaine Jones '06 Ruben Patterson player '06
Clifford Robinson team '06 Justin Reed team '06 Sam Cassell '06
Curtis Borchardt '06 Kareem Rush team '06 Scot Pollard '06
Dajuan Wagner team '06 Kelvin Cato '06 Shawn Bradley player '06
Dan Dickau team '06 Lamond Murray '06 Speedy Claxton '06
David Wesley '06 Lindsey Hunter '06 Stanislav Medvedenko '06
DeShawn Stevenson player '06 Loren Woods '06 Tamar Slay team '06
DJ Mbenga '06 Lorenzen Wright '06 Tayshaun Prince team '06
Doug Christie '06 Lucious Harris '06 Tim Thomas '06
Drew Gooden '06 Mamadou N'diaye '06 Trevor Ariza '06
Eddie Gill '06 Mario Kasun '06 Vlade Divac '06
Eric Piatkowski '06 Matt Harpring '06 Voshon Lenard '06
Eric Williams player '06 Melvin Ely '06 Yao Ming '06
Francisco Elson '06
...not entirely accurate with players like Miller on there (was that Dwight Gooden that I spotted in there too?), but it's something.
Thanks - I forgot about Nene
by cje on Mar 30, 2006 12:09 PM CST reply actions
I'm wary
who can trade for garnett?
i assume you need
- cap space or similarly paid signed players
- an owner willing to pay tax (i assume a team with KG goes over cap)
- players or picks the wolves want
if anyone can shed some light on this for me, much appreciated
oh, and matt, were you at the crushing orlando loss? i think i saw my new favorite halftime act. the something african acrobat team. those guys were amazing and only showcased how truly horrible the chicago "acrobatic" team is. it's glorified jump roping and probably the worst act in sports.
wasn't there
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
On Garnett
But this is McHale, so maybe capspace/youngplayers/picks is enough. If that's the case the Bulls have the best to offer. I just think that Minny would need fewer 'quantity' assets and try to land a big-time player who may not quite be KG but still an all-star.
Good point about Reinsdorf though, not every team can afford KG and we're lucky that the Bulls owner is willing.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Garnett?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Mar 30, 2006 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
collecting assets
You get a 25-yr old 6'10" SF, 19ppg scorer w/a post-up game who can also play PF.
Yeah he's not a rebounder and mainly a SF, but at this point I think having Al Harrington playing in a PF/SF rotation is a quantum leap over Malik Allen, O Harrington, Songaila or Sweetney. This also takes the pressure off our big man high lotto pick.
With roughly 18 mil in cap space we can still sign a guy like Nazr and have space to add other veterans.
Then this allows us to draft a big guard with our second pick. It really doesn't matter if the guard lacks a consistent jumper, what we need is length, athleticism, slashing ability and defense.
We have to take advantage of this FA because there is less competition. Next year there will be more teams in the market.
If Al Harrington doesn't work out, he is a very tradeable asset you could put in any deal. Plus if Luol is traded then he takes over the SF spot full-time. He is a versatile asset.
If you're going to do a sign-and-trade for a superstar, you want to have enough assets to compete once you get him.
We have four major needs this offseason:
- Players with a post-up game
- Big men
- Big guard who can defend / attack the basket
- Appreciating assets
He brings us closer to having that critical mass of talented players to be a contender.
by CRG on Mar 30, 2006 2:43 PM CST reply actions
Another need
(unless you think Ben will be truly ready for that next season)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder
I remember my hopes being crushed when we signed Mercer and Robinson instead of Hill and McGrady. You could see the car crash coming.
Realistically, does the stigma of a post-MJ Bulls team still remain?
Or will a free agent come here for less than a max contract for the chance to revive a franchise that has serious growing pains. I agree that not many of the FA's are worth max money.
Who wants the headache of MJ looking down from the luxury suites and the banners screaming from the rafters?
It's alot of pressure for someone to take, and not many of the hoopsters today can handle it.
by james@lifeinthecell on Mar 30, 2006 4:01 PM CST reply actions
ghost of MJ
But all those Jay Mariotti columns comparing any newcomer to MJ may get to one after a while :)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
first rule to free agents
Or they could just point out how wrong Jay is about everything, and explain he's comic relief.
The PRess here is pretty kind to sports figures unless their owners or GMs or any kind of management figure. Is that a plus in attracting free agents?
by KT on Mar 30, 2006 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Nearly every time
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2006 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like the gang's all here
CRG - the way you described Harrington above is the first time I've looked at him as tolerable. $8 mil/year would be nice but anything more than that and I start running the opposite direction.
Gooden's value to me is mixed like a lot of those fans. He's a young PF who rebounds well, scores a little, and yet no team really wants him. What's the deal?
Even with the aforementioned post, I would like to officially start driving the Zach Randolph bus. Anyone who saw him vs. the Bulls two weeks ago saw a legit low post scoring threat. Not a tweener, not a jump shooter, but the real deal and what this team so desperately needs. He's still only 24 and from NW Indiana - so this is almost like coming home. In fact, not so long ago there was a very talented, young PF from Portland with and enormous salary and attitude problems named 'Sheed. We all know how that turned out. In fact, the 2nd best team in our division ALSO got their stud PF from Portland (J O'Neal). It's finally the Bulls' turn to ravage the (Rose) Garden of PFs that grow in the Northwest.
kinda
NENE
coming around
RE: Coming Around
I still like Randolph and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for a couple reasons. First, aside from our beloved Knickerbockers, he's on the worst team in the NBA. That can't be fun. What makes matters worse is that the majority of the Blazers' rotation is fresh out of high school. Here in Chicago, we know how ugly that can be. When the Blazers were getting destroyed by the Bulls, his motor kept going and he scored at will vs. Chandler. That's not a minor detail b/c I believe most here think Chandler an OK defender. At one point had half the Blazers' points. Maybe Skiles can channel some Michigan State love his way and make him feel good.
Look at it this way, there are only 10 PFs in the NBA that currently score 18+ ppg: Dirk, Brand (ugh!), Bosh, KG, Marion, Pau, Webber, J Oneal, Duncan, & Randolph. IMO, the only other person besides Randolph that could be acquired MIGHT be KG. These guys are the elite and it's no coincidence that a lot of them anchor the premiere teams in the NBA. I'm pretty sure that only Bosh is younger than Randolph who again, is only 24! The Bulls could lock this guy up as he enters his prime and address our consensus #1 priority on this team.
post-up game
by CRG on Mar 31, 2006 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
post-up game
I completely forgot about Nene, glad someone brought it up. He's definately the widebody that could help Chandler defensively, plus he's a rebounder which is always a plus.
go-to post scorer, likely not. But as a mid-level signing it'd work out really nice. I'm not sure of and attitude problems outside of bitching about his rotation spot in Denver (with KMart and Camby starting) but that wouldn't be a problem here.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2006 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
What price Garnett ?
I expect they would require us to also take one of their bad contracts (Blount or Jaric) and would want in return the Knicks Draft pick, Chandler, and 2 more players from (Deng, Duhon, Nocioni and Gordon.)
Let's make it Garnett & Jaric for Chandler, Deng, Duhon and the #1
Would you make that trade?
some other bad Wolves contracts
Look at what you've done Kevin McHale. LOOK!
Trading Deng AND Chandler? Why not just punch me in the nuts while you're at it.
I'd say one of them, plus gordon&duhon. I'd rather give up both picks.
I just think the point of getting KG out of Minnesota is that he'd have a better cast in Chicago than there, and without Chandler or Deng I don't see it. Hinrich/Gordon/KG is a playoff core, but not a championship one. And once you get KG he takes all the cap space, so there will be little room for error.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2006 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
stop, you're scaring me
'slowhand'
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2006 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wolves Trade
I think Chandler would almost have to be included and if we are taking back a PG(Jaric) in the trade then Gordon or Duhon goes to the Wolves. We can't trade both draft picks because we traded our 05 pick. We could trade the 07 Chi/NY pick.
If you said no to Deng would you give them Nocioni then.
Garnett & Jaric for Chandler, Duhon, Nocioni & the #1 Pick??
Can't trade both picks?
That's a pretty big technicality, although they could always trade another future protected pick or something. Still limits options, which is bad.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2006 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Draft picks. . .
problems w/KG trade
If we have to give up Deng, then I'd only do it if we could still manage the cap to sign Al Harrington for the 3 spot.
If we have to give up Chandler, then we'd better sign Nene / Nazr, etc.
The other problem has to do w/KG-- he has never shown much of a post game, whether it is because of the crappy players around him who can't pass him the ball in the post or what not. Bottom line is that he isn't a go-to guy because he is more of a jump shooter. That is bad.
Priority #1: We need low-post scorers.
This is also why I think we take Aldridge w/that high pick over anyone else.
I'm also hesitant to give up that 2007 NYK #1...especially since it seems the consensus is that it will be a superstar potential-laden draft.
by CRG on Mar 31, 2006 2:30 PM CST reply actions
KG Trade
I'm not pushing this trade I only wanted to look at what Garnett would likely cost. Does anyone think we can get him without giving up Chandler?
Keep in mind Garnett is $20.0 Mil and Jaric or Blount is another $5.5 Mil if you don't send back some salary to Minn you've used up all your cap space.
KG's Worth
I agree w/Jobu, he'd fit in very well w/the Lakers.
by CRG on Mar 31, 2006 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm over KG
If I were a betting man, I bet he goes to the Lakers for some sort of package that include Odom.
odom, mihm, butler and #1
i really don't see us being able to make a garnett trade without blowing our team up. i do think the ideas that were thrown out before seem like what it would take for us to get him, but i don't see the worth for a player that will likely decline from here on out as opposed to going steve nash on our asses. i really believe that lakers land him (if he goes).
Butler?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2006 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see them trading with the Lakers
Minnesota would be fools to make that trade. That team would win about 30 games tops next year and do nothing to get them out from under their bad contracts. If the're going to lose they will want to do it with young players and draft picks.
Kevin McHale IS a fool!
Another trade that works is Odom, Kwame, & a #1 straight up for KG. I don't buy into that one but I just wanted to throw that out there.
To trade a superstar you usually want to get 2, if not all 3 of the following:
- All Star player
- Cap relief
- Draft picks
no kg
Moving one of our core guys plus a pick would be all I'd be willing to give up for KG, but in the NBA GM's tend to overvalue talent, and Minnesota wouldn't settle for that scenario. (And from what I read KG isn't clamoring to leave Minnesota, making it easier for McHale to drive up the asking price.)
The Bulls have some cap room, and as was mentioned before, we have a few guys looking at extensions and raises in the next few years, so discretion (I like the "slowhand" reference, too) by Pax is imperative.
IMHO...in a perfect world signing Nazr and Harrington would best, but we're likely to get only one of those guys, and I don't think Harrington rates a max contract. So dump some dead weight (Othella, Sweetney--although he still has trade value--Pike, Pargo--even though he will win one game a year for us, and has that "30-point-where-the-hell-did-this-come-from game" and yes, Schnesher--although he is good for 6 fouls a game against Shaq) go for Nazr (he's not unlike Antonio Davis) and keep the picks for a big man and big guard.
by james@lifeinthecell on Apr 1, 2006 8:34 AM CST reply actions
O.k., I've got it.
Starting lineup:
Hinrich
Bulls pick (Roy, Foye, or Brewer)
Deng
KG
Free Agent Center (Mohammad?)
Not bad at all.
by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Apr 1, 2006 12:03 PM CST reply actions
Garnett trade
The more I look at the cost the more I doubt this will get done.
No bench
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 1, 2006 7:01 PM CST reply actions

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