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Will Kobe Be Available? (UPDATED)

[UPDATE: Kobe has 'demanded' a trade from the Lakers.]

I know that whole message boards have gone on tangents attempting to define a superstar, and I don't want that to happen here.  I also don't want this discussion to get hijacked by the question of whether or not a team needs a superstar to win a championship.  I believe that while the team needs a few upgrades, it is possible for them to win a championship or two, although I think you need a dominating offensive weapon to establish a dynasty.  Still, no matter your position on that debate, all would be interested in acquiring a superstar- a top ten player, a dominating offensive/defensive force.

Kobe Bryant is obviously such a player.  And he had interest, at one time, in coming to the Bulls (precisely in the one offseason when we stank where they didn't have the money to sign him without going over the cap.)   And he is now disgruntled with the Lakers: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2884339.

Does this mean that LA is going to give him up, even for two of the Bulls core?  No.  Its doubtful that LA would ever consider trading Kobe, after shipping out Shaq and PJ to accommodate him and centering their marketing effort after him.

And Kobe is not likely to truly demand a trade.  LA is assumed to hire West anyways, will probably try to trade some future for some present, although Jim Buss is still unwilling to relinquish Andrew Bynum.

But it is possible.  If the Lakers aren't able to get a Kevin Garnett or Jermain O'Neal this offseason, and make only minor moves that prove ineffective, then Kobe is likely to want to get a move out.  He knows his reputation as a ballhog, as a selfish brat who pushed out the player most likely to win him a title, and knows his time as a superstar is limited.  While he will be 30 next year, this next year will be his 12th in the NBA's rigorous 82-game schedule, and he's played a lot of minutes with a lot of pressure on him.  His insatiable competitiveness is unsatisfied with finishing in a six spot and losing to the Suns in 5.

I wouldn't even have suggested this had not Kobe been so enamored with the Bulls the first time around.  He really seemed to appreciate Paxson and Skiles and desire to play in Chicago, where superstars are idolized.  Maybe there's some MJ wannabe that factors in.  But he did express that wish clearly, and now he is clearly expressing unhappiness in LA.

I have thrown in as many caveats as possible to make it clear that I DO NOT believe Kobe will ever play for Chicago.  But I think it's possible, if the stars get together in the right way, if the Lakers manage to truly piss off Kobe and Kobe decides he MUST get out of town.  So my questions for the public are twofold: First of all, what would you be willing to give up to reel in Kobe?  Second of all, how do you think the Bulls would fare after having made such sacrifices?  Be realistic in what they'd have to give up, even if Kobe was publicly eviscerating the Laker organization.  And recognize that its not happening this offseason, so there are some variables which are unclear.  But overall, I think it would be useful to consider what Kobe would be worth to our team and how our makeup would change, if only to get a better grasp of evaluating how much you value the current Bulls.

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I would give up
nothing to get Kobe. This team plays team basketball and Kobe does not. If he were to come to this team I would no longer be a fan of this team.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 27, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

please trade for Kobe
then we could have a big billboard picture of Kobe in chicago.

by exult463 on May 27, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sue, I like yue.
If Bryant comes to Chicago, then I will cease to be a Bulls fan, even though this is the team I've grown up watching(and the hometown team).

I hope this trade talk dissolves quickly.

Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on May 27, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto for me
I recognize that Kobe is a tremendously talented basketball player, but I would have a really hard time cheering for a team with him as the centerpiece.

Just as bad, having grown up a Blazers fan I would have a really hard time cheering for the Lakers - I'd be screwed whether Kirk stayed a Bull or got traded in the deal for Kobe.  ;)

Who says it can't be done?

by wjb1492 on May 27, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What would you say then . . .
If the Bulls get Zach Randolph (which is much more likely than getting Kobe)?  I'm not a Kobe fan either, but Zach Randolph has a rap sheet that makes Kobe look like a saint.

by Big D on May 28, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yuck!
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 28, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

gosh that superstar stuff is annoying...
so I wrote 588 words detailing my thoughts on the matter.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 27, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

No one wants to play?
Okay, so the starting point of the game is that Kobe can come to Chicago, what would we give up?
The +9, Noc, Gordon, Duhon (F the salary cap).

Starting 5
Wallace
TT
Deng
Kobe
Hinrich

Bulls win the title in 2008.

Look, I know we like our team ball here in Bullsland, but Kobe is an all-time-great caliber player.

Halloween seems a long way off . . .

by preverbal on May 27, 2007 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

But he
sucks as a human being.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 27, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but . . .
I don't know him.  It's a troubling mess to even begin commenting on whether Kobe is a criminal, or an asshole, or is just misunderstood.

For purposes of fantasyland, I'd give up the aforementioned and look forward to winning the title.

Halloween seems a long way off . . .

by preverbal on May 27, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see the trophy shine along with
Skiles' bald head.

I love it!

Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on May 28, 2007 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Might I remind you
Despite what we never hear about through the media, MJ isn't the greatest human being, either.

by paxson43 on May 28, 2007 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

only
if gambling, cheating and being a dick are negative qualities.

root for the jersey.

by mike bornemann @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe haters.
This isn't going to happen, but if you can get Kobe, grab him especially if Gordon the only major loss.  

One thing that I would like to point out is Kirk's skills would be highlighted if he is ever paired with a guard with Kobe's ability.  And yes trade would equal a championship.  

by Jesse07 on May 29, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If kobe was available
You better believe Pax's eyes would light up.  Yes Kobe has had some personal issues in the past, like cheating on his wife, but all that is over now and his wife moved past it.   MJ is my favorite player of all time but he got around a bit too!!  So lets just drop the Kobe is a terrible person stuff and realize just what a great player he is!  I would be for Kobe being a Bull as he almost was during his FA yr!  Anyways, this is doubtful LA would even move him anytime soon!!!

by babybulls on May 28, 2007 2:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Kobe in La and his character
He didn't really have anyone to pass it to??? I mean except for Lamar Odom and maybe luke walton.  I think the whole kobe is a ballhog is overplayed...Jordan was also a ballhog then. The character issue is also bs.  How many superstars dont have issues (AI, Anthony, Lebron, etc...)  they are all messed up in their own way and I prefer Kobe's sexual escapades to Anthony's stop snitchin' drama etc...

Either way it probably wont happen but if it did, I sure would't mind.  

by Sambossanova on May 28, 2007 2:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Can
The Bulls get Lamar Odom?

by jpx7 on May 28, 2007 4:07 AM CDT reply actions  

A little more likely
would be the Bulls swapping Gordon for Gerald Wallace.  Sam mentioned it today.  
Bobcats part-owner Jordan has long been a big fan of Gordon's, though it's hardly likely he would part with Emeka Okafor given Charlotte's issues in the frontcourt. But Gerald Wallace could be an intriguing name. Yes, he plays small forward, but his shooting is improving and he'd bring great defense and size to the to the shooting-guard position. Wallace is opting out of his contract, so perhaps there's a sign-and-trade possibility.

I know that Gordon is an amazing scorer, but his height/defensive shortcomings create a weakness for the Bulls on both ends of the floor (Kirk has to guard bigger 2s and gets tired and runs the team less effectively).  If Gerald Wallace can extend his range to become a credible three point threat,  it would seem to be a good swap for the Bulls.    

by paxson43 on May 28, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Why
would we trade for him if he is a free agent. To ensure that we get him instead of playing the FA market? I say play it.

by One F on May 30, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Making the idea more possible
Kobe has an out clause in 2009, two seasons from now.  That creates some pressure on the Lakers as well as creating a realistic scenario for Kobe leaving LA.

I sort of anticipated some of the anti-Kobe sentiment here, with all the recent love-fest with the 'team' game philosophy.  But we won six championships with the greatest individual basketball talent ever, and while he adjusted to play with a team, both the Bulls of the '80s or the '90s were clearly focused on and initiated nearly all of their offense through Jordan.  So Sue and Nittany, were you complaining about the Bulls lack of a team game when Michael was here?  Did you want to dump MJ for a a more varied group of lesser talents?

No, Kobe's not Michael, but he is a great individual talent, and if we surround him with some of the Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Tyrus/BWal group, I think we'll be championship contenders every year, and probably better off than we are today.

I think we'd be willing to give up Gordon, Thomas,  Thabo and all other bench players: Noce, Duhon, Khryapa.  While this is not fair value, it might be more reasonable next year if Kobe's threatening to leave as a free agent.  Also, Pax would likely explore dumping salary to attract Kobe is he did actually opt out.  Again, all of this speculative, and not where the Bulls will likely go.  But for god's sake, this is a daily blog devoted to the Bulls - if its theoretically reasonable, albeit unlikely, I think its worth discussing.  Being that Kobe has just made his declaration, and that Kobe loved the Bulls at some point, I think it deserves exploring - hopefully by Pax, but certainly by us.

by IrishGush on May 28, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

"Love" for Chi
I always wondered about how much Kobe really "loves" Chicago.  The Windy City also happens to be the third largest sports market in the US.  No doubt Nike and Kobe's other sponsors would be happy to have him play in Chicago as well.  Just saying that I wouldn't over-value Kobe's statements about loving the Chi.

by paxson43 on May 28, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not
follow the Bulls when MJ was with them and I never cared for him either. I don't like Kobe the player or the person. Like I said if he were to join the Bulls I won't be here.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 28, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahah
That may be the dumbest comment posted on this website Sue...ever
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a Jordan fan either,
and I'm pretty sure your comment history is unchallenged.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

HOW IS THIS
A BULLS WEBSITE and people don't like Jordan? We had the greatest player EVER play for our team and people don't like him.
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt
You don't like Jordan either?
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not care about him.
I liked him as a player. He's not a player anymore. If you've been here enough you should know he rarely even gets mentioned, so don't act all flabbergasted.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am
just wondering how Bulls fans cannot like him. Whatever, I'll drop it
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen K-32
I with you on this.  I LOVED watching Jordan play.  When I made the switch from being just a college fan to watching more NBA he is the reason I got hooked and the reason I am a Bulls fan.  I feel privileged to be able to see I saw the greatest player ever played the game.  There will never be another like him.  It befuddles me that there are Bulls fans who dislike Jordan.

by Rankdog on Jun 1, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

can't be the greatest player EVER
if he's not even the greatest Wizard EVER.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pax
there are those comments of yours that I have been missing. Who is/was better?
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was obviously the greatest NBA player of
all time.

Those who claim he isn't are typically contrarians looking to prove their nonpareil basketball "genius" by pointing to some esoteric player from a forgotten era as the true greatest of all time.

Moreover, in my opinion, all Bulls fans should appreciate Jordan. Every truly great memory, every championship, every iconic moment the franchise has ever emjoyed is attributable to MJ. He took a foundering expansion team and made them a dynasty. Bulls fans should respect that and acknowledge it, much like Americans should recognize the founding fathers.

I understand why people didn't "like" MJ as a person, though. He could be abrasive and ultra-competitive. Personally, I admire that quality. But I can see why others don't.

by 1958ChiTown on May 31, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh
"Those who claim he isn't are typically contrarians looking to prove their nonpareil basketball "genius" by pointing to some esoteric player from a forgotten era as the true greatest of all time."

I've only heard Mark Jackson's Kobe argument, and Wilt Chamberlain. If you care enough about hyperbole and NBA history (the NBA/ABA merger was a whopping 40 years ago) nothing is esoteric. Not that Wilt is an obscure player, and I really don't care about a player's legacy.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you need a Bulls coffee table book
Norm Van Lier and Jerry Sloan won a bunch of games before Jordan showed up. Artis Gilmore is a frick'n hall of famer. I hate sports nostalgia and know that.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

know that
Gilmore should be in the hall of fame. Whatever.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.
But those weren't exactly brilliant years for the franchise, unless you consider playoff losses against the Bucks, Lakers, and Trailblazers to be great moments.  I think the franchise only advanced to the conference finals (or equivalent) two times in the 18 years prior to Jordan's arrival.  Obviously, the Bulls had never been to the Finals until MJ donned the red and white.

For all intents and purposes, Jordan created the Bulls franchise, as we know it.

Does Jordan help the Bulls today when the team walks on the court? No, not directly. However, given the attendance history of the franchise prior to 1984, I would venture to say that we wouldn't be leading the league in attendance this year if not for the Jordan championship runs. Similarly, the Jordan era vastly improved the national and international recognition of the team, which undoubtedly had (and continues to have) a dramatic impact on advertising and merchandising revenues. Ask most people from Europe or Asia about the Bulls, and "Jordan" is still the first word out of their mouths.  Jordan forged the identity of the Bulls franchise and vaulted it from a sleepy midwestern afterthought to an international phenomenon with a widespread and devoted fanbase.

Setting aside the continuing fiscal and marketing impact, Jordan simply provided the fans with a plethora of fantastic memories.  For at least a full decade, he held the entire city of Chicago in his thrall, at a time when its sports fans had little else to cling to (the occassional good Hawks team, pathetic baseball squads, and a Bears establishment in premature decline).  

Basically, Chicago was home to the world's most dominant, spectacular, recognizable, popular athlete during the late 1980's and most of the 1990's. There's very little not to like about that experience.

by 1958ChiTown on May 31, 2007 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

your ideas are intruiging
and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

But like I said, he's not a Bulls player anymore, so I really don't care. And I don't want him ever to be a part of the franchise since he did everything he could to trash it upon leaving, which didn't exactly help the rebuilding of the team that buys the laundry that I'm rooting for. Plus he seems to leave much to be desired as a non-player anyway, so bonus.

Really, I don't see the point in saying 'it sure was swell when Jordan was around' anymore, ever. There's a statue right outside for semi-regular genuflection.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 31, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't lay it all on Mike.
Matt have you ever read the book "Blood on the Horns: The Long Strange Ride of Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls"  Its a good read and goes into a lot of the back and forth posturing between the players, coach, and ownership.  Yes, Jordan had his fair share in the whole process.  However, had the relationship between ownership and Jordan/Jackson not gone sour he would be a part of the teams front office in some capacity.  Had he/Pippin/Jackson stayed probably won the 99/00 titles he would have probably assumed a role similar to Magic.  All sides ended up losing with the exception of Jackson.  

All that being said Jordan himself didn't trash the franchise.  It was a combination of the Jerrys, Jackson, Jordan and Pippin.  All of them to the end had egos and the fans got screwed.  Aside from Jackson they all would have made out a lot better had they found a way to put their differences aside.

by Rankdog on Jun 1, 2007 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

If only I read books
I'm talking about after the 'premature' breakup. I meant 'trashing' the franchise in terms of badmouthing it from the outside, which clearly 'the Jerry's' wouldn't do since they were still with the team. Jordan went out of his way to be vindictive (rightfully or not, don't care) and try to sabotage the rebuilding effort, so if he wanted me to choose sides I chose the freaking team.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 1, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on some points...
MJ has not really made many public comments since he left the Bulls.  He did make fun of Tim Floyd (I think Tim's performance did more talking than Mike) calling him Pink Floyd.  I do agree with you that I am not down with MJ the ex-bull/GM/Minority owner ect.  In a way he has done the franchise a favor by not being in charge of the Bulls future as a personal guy.  Most of MJ's comments over the years (even with the team) were directed towards the Jerrys.  Specifically Krause, because he didn't agree with the personal moves being made.  But Hey, what does MR Bobcat have to say these days.  We are a playoff team when his team barely draws 16k a game and is one of the worst teams in the NBA.  

by Rankdog on Jun 1, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

a bunch of old people are upset
Rah-rah all you want about Jordan, but there are plenty of people who remember the Sloan-era just as fondly. I'm not trying to compare different parts of Bulls history, and I don't care why people are fans of the team, but it's still silly to open up the scrap book and ignore the first 10 pages. Namond Brice rocks a Gilmore throwback for crying out loud.

Speaking of the identity of the Bulls organization, who remembers the Hinrich/Sloan comparison from his rookie year (it's still alive)? Me! Red Kerr and Norm Van Lier are still associated with the Bulls too.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously the only
knowledge you have is in your user name only.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 31, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

good one Sue
How are the cornfields? That Iowa sun and farming must be getting to you.
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'VE SEEN
A lot worse on this site Matt. Don't single me out
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

too late
you've been singled out. So you have to be extra-nice now and not cheese me off. Laying off the exclamation points of indignation is a start.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 31, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least agree
with me on Jordan. Someone has to stick up for him.
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know why you think it's so dumb...
I feel the same way - there are those of us here who are fans not from the glory days but because of who is currently on the team.

I can acknowledge that Kobe has a ton of basketball talent without liking how he uses it on the court or how he acts off of it.  

Who says it can't be done?

by wjb1492 on May 31, 2007 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chill out WJB
I am talking about Jordan. And anyone that is not a Jordan fan, is not a Bulls fan. Sorry! A fan (real fan) is there for every team through the generations. Not picking and choosing.
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that assumes someone has always been
a fan, rather than discovered the Bulls sometime after childhood.  As I've said on here before, I grew up in Portland and have been a Blazer fan my whole life (including the bad years) - we Blazer fans weren't really fond of Jordan, largely because of his basketball dominance.

And I don't think you can really apply the "loyal fan" argument to this situation - it obviously fits much better with the bandwagon fan who bails during the lean years.  I happened to become a fan during the lean years and am enjoying the current prosperity without screaming for an immediate championship or remaining fixated on the Jordan years.  But if you want to see me as a lower species of fan because of the whole generational thing, feel free.  ;)

Who says it can't be done?

by wjb1492 on May 31, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
I didn't like those 6 NBA titles either
It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on May 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

More thoughts
TYI posted on this subject yesterday also.  Includes a potential trade package to land Kobe.  Unless the Lakers are really desperate though, it doesn't appear that the Bulls have the pieces to make a really attractive offer.

by paxson43 on May 28, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

there's no way
in hell Mitch Kupchak will trade his superstar. But Kobe needs to realize he probably won't win another title playing in the west and should demand a trade. He gave it his all in L.A., won titles, and now should demand a trade. why should he listen to fickle fans in LA?? demand a trade and come play in the east Kobe, for the bulls. =p.  oh yeah nobody cares what you think sue369, I'll take Kobe on my team anyday over any Bulls player/players.

by Dr0ne420 on May 28, 2007 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

goody for you
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 28, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to point out
that the chances\ of the Lakres trading Kobe is nil.  They'll do the silly thing and bring Jerry West, the man who brilliantly built Memphis into a contender, back to the team.  It'll make Kobe happy, until the Lakers keep having first round exits.

by KT on May 29, 2007 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

... and it's alll Kobe's fault
He could have had 2/3 more rings but he pushed Shaq out.

by paxson43 on May 29, 2007 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shaq pushed himself out
by being fat and lazy while still wanting it to be 'his' team. He made it a 'Shaq or Kobe' proposition as much as Kobe did.

Not that I know the innerworkings of laker-drama but I think blaming Kobe for everything is a fallacy perpetuated by peoples' general dislike for Kobe and affinity for jokester Shaq.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 29, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe was entering his prime...
...and, as you said, Shaq was being fat and lazy (like me! yay!). Kobe had every right (whatever that means) to want to be the focal point of the team, in terms of offense, etc. and as far as being the "face" of the team. A guy shouldn't have to take a backseat to a lesser player. A "better man" might, of course, but for me it's tough to fault the guy completely.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on May 29, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's still too far from actually happening
but here's some Vescey source-fueled speculation:
It's my understanding Kobe recently informed Lakers ownership he'd sanction a trade to one specific team and no other. My source is oblivious to its identity. Logic dictates that team is the Bulls

(emphasis mine)

And to answer the general question of this thread: yes yes yes yes the should trade for Kobe if given the opportunity. Pax is 100x the GM that Mitch Kupchak is, and I believe building a championship team around Kobe is much easier than doing the same around what the Bulls currently have.

There's the usual problem with matching salaries though...they probably would have to deal Hinrich and sign a vet PG with the MLE.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 29, 2007 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Jalen Rose is a free agent
Bring back the glory days!

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 29, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will
pray that never ever happens.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 29, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just read the same story
I must say I have extreme mixed feelings on this. For one, like Sue . . . I fuckin' hate the man more than any player in any sport. I've always hated him because of his attempt to literally be just like Mike and not even his own person. But at the same time, I've always felt that he was the best player in the league. I think it'll help the Bulls but will it help me? Argh, I don't know what I want.

I guess what's best for the Bulls.

The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on May 29, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who better...
to model yourself after?

Trade for Kobe... no brainer

The red and white

by Scott 9 on May 30, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're damn right we should trade for Kobe
if that opportunity arises!

He's one of the best three players (if not the best player) in all of basketball.

Personally, I hate the son of a biotch, but if he puts on the red and white, I can very quickly forgive him for his transgressions.

And, although he is aging a bit, he is still in his prime.

by 1958ChiTown on May 29, 2007 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

P.S. Who would the Bulls have to give up for
that deal?

I assume we would have to give away Luol and at least one of the core guards.

by 1958ChiTown on May 29, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

tyrus, and the pick too
It's still nutty to even think there's a chance at this going down.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 29, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would the Lakers want Tyrus?
They have Odom, Kwame, and Bynum on their front line already. And I assume Radmonovic is coming back next season.

I agree that this is extraordinaly unlikely to occur. It's just fun to speculate.

by 1958ChiTown on May 29, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

nutty was meant
for me; it's tough to even discuss this without a disclaimer.

Kwame is off the books after next season, and it's doubtful the Lakers are interested in bringing him back. Thomas is cheap, young, and versatile. He isn't the ideal power forward in the West, but if  the Lakers trade Kobe it's officially rebuilding time. Youth and massive amounts of potential are the most value the Lakers could get in return for Kobe. It wouldn't matter how all the players fit next season.

Has Phil Jackson weighed in on this yet?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 29, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

as much as i love skiles
is we're trading for kobe (which is about as likeley as Bush winning a third term), we must get Jackson as park of the package....i'd give up krappy and du for jack

by milesgmsu on May 29, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe WILL Demand Trade!
As more news becomes available, guys lets realize that Kobe will be traded(Think AI). We should know Pax well enough to know he IS working on a package! The question for us to figure how possible is trade to DA Bulls? When a free agent he stated he loves the city, would love to play for the fans here, and would relish the challenge of playing in MJ's shadow. If it goes down, I wonder if he would have to buy his number (24) or would the owner of that number(TT) be gone? Could we again appreciate having the greatest player in the game?

by A Train Afro 53 on May 30, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

PaxJax
That was published Tuesday. This is Wednesday (at least out here in Cali it still is). The interview with Stephen A. (AKA the Loathsome One) was on Wednesday.

His squelching of THAT trade demand doesn't affect THIS one.

Check out Truehoop for a good idea of what's cooking.

If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, champ
I posted that before any interviews were news here. I may have linked to a dated article, which was a mistake, but it was still before any demands.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

KOBE JUST DEMANDED TO BE TRADED
Not even kidding. Just heard it on the radio.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927
(idk how to do it where it can say stuff but theres the link)

Kobe sounded pissed off and really wanting a trade. Kobe to Chicago? Maybe...

I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I hate the Loul idea but
Keep Tyrus & #9 pick up a small forward like Jeff Green, Julian Wright, Corey Brewer or Al Thornton?  hmm...

by Jesse07 on May 30, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now
we're on the same wave-length. I don't think Brewer will be there, but if the Bulls have to give up Deng, add Kobe, Jeff Green becomes the best option to draft. Gordon would really get killed in the west though.

by kingj41 on May 30, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on
There's no way they're going to trade Kobe Freaking Bryant to the Bulls unless Deng is a part of the trade.  I love Deng too, and there are very few players I would trade him for - but Kobe's one of them.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.
I think we have to give up two of the core players.

In the end, though, it wouldn't matter, because we are in the diluted East. In the West, Kobe alone isn't enough, but in the East, Kobe surrounded by just a few other decent players would likely get the Bulls to the Finals.  

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right
My greed-based hesitation is based on how great Deng could be alongside Kobe...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're probably right
but how nicely would Deng, Kobe, & Kirk complement eachother.  

by Jesse07 on May 30, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noc
is comparable to Luke Walton. I don't think they want Noc. Give up Deng for Kobe??? That's a tough call...

by kingj41 on May 30, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't seem like a tough call to me.
Kobe drops 50 on a regular basis.

He is a Hall of Fame player in his prime.

I guess you could argue that the relative age of the two players makes it a more difficult decisions, since Luol should be able to contribute for the next decade, while Kobe only has four or five great years left.

Still, it's Kobe. I think Paxson would take him.

JMO.

(I'm sure the Lakers will mollify him anyway.)

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's not bad
Although I'd prefer giving them the draft pick and a contract (as in Duh or Veektor) and keep Sefolosha. Keeping Thomas would be great but I don't think it's possible to make a deal for Kobe without Thomas or Deng (Clearly, Gordon's the centerpiece).

Pax would still have cap exemptions (and/or if you wanted Malik or PJ back) to shore up the front line. Maybe they could take back a cheap big like Turiaf or Cook just to fill out the roster. Or maybe get the Lakers to throw in their 1st rounder.

But you can't help but envision Hinrich and Deng getting more room on offense with Bryant (who would also become the fabled 'low post prescence') instead of Gordon, that's why I think keeping those two would be necessary.

So something like
Hinrich
Bryant/Sefolosha
Deng/Griffin
MLE/Khryapa/Cook
Wallace/Brown(?)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the
"MLE/Krapper/Cook" bit of that that worries me.

That would be quite a lineup, but can we afford to have a complete corpse manning the PF slot?

If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Kobe isn't traded, could Bynum somehow
become available to Bulls in a three way deal of some sort?

You have to think that the Lakers are now going to be willing to trade all of their other players to get Kobe what he wants.

Of course, it would be best if they just traded Kobe to the Bulls. :)

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

so why do you want a 20 year old project?
besides because he's tall :-D

I agree with you though, the far more likely scenario is that the Lakers deal everybody else to placate Kobe.

I think the Bulls can sneak their way into getting Odom for spare parts, who would be a very nice fit. Injuries are the big concern but I think it'd be worth the risk.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Bynum was supposed to be the new
wunderkind?

Isn't that why the Lakers refused to trade him to placate Kobe? Isn't he supposed to have some amazing upside?

Maybe I just watched too much Bill Walton commentary on ESPN this season.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

supposedly that's the reason
but it's a dumb one, according to most. he's still a project.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jalen Rose
had an assessment of Bynum I liked on Mike & Mike a few days ago, and the summarized version is he'll just be an okay player. He also said Paxson wouldn't blow up GDH for Kobe. According to Jalen, Paxson really likes what he has (I would say there's some healthy ego there). Sure it's all coming from Jalen Rose, and it's as middle of the road as his career, but I like it.

As far as all this Kobe nonsense goes, couldn't he have demanded a trade when the Bulls had contracts (Peej, Sweetney) to deal? I would like to think the Bulls hang on to Wallace, and 2 of GDH.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you really believe the Bulls could get a 28
year old Kobe Bryant without giving up two of the Core players?

Don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if that happened, but I doubt the Lakers would accept it.

They would be giving up one of the best players of all time. I imagine they would at least want Deng and Gordon in return.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's a real demand from Kobe
the Bulls could still make the best offer of talent, draft picks, and be a realistic place where Kobe would want play without losing 2 of the 3.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yessir
I think Tyrus Thomas is a nice consolation prize for the lakers to substitute for 'losing out' on Deng.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point Matt
on snagging Odom. He would be a nice fit. But his injuries and salary make me not want to see that happen.

by kingj41 on May 30, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah, but...
his salary is only for 2 more seasons! Not bad...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

For that cost
I would definitely rather have Pau even if it's for 4 years.

by kingj41 on May 30, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

well...
I'd rather have Gasol too, I was assuming that you can get Odom for a lot less in terms of talent.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, it's not really going to happen.
I am ordering a Spencer Hawes jersey online right now.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

put it next to your
Will Perdue jersey?
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do the Lakers do now?
When I heard the news today about him demanding to be traded, my first thought was that there's no way the Lakers would do it.  The more I think about it, though. the more I wonder if he even can go back there next year.  The perception in L.A., rightly or wrongly, is that he pushed Shaq out the door, and now he demands to be traded?  I realize Laker fans are, well, from L.A., but I wonder if even they'll turn on him now.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Yuck, yuck, yuck and YUCK!!!!
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 30, 2007 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you hate him so?
(P.S. My wife feels exactly the same way as you do. The e-mail I just got re: the propsect of getting Kobe was pretty funny.)

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It might
be a woman thing. He didn't think twice about cheating on his wife at least once that we know of. He's a selfish player and I just don't see him as a plus to this team. Wish we could hear what some of the Bulls players opinions are on him joining their team.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 30, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

kobe on bulls
if this deal goes down, will it happen before the draft? when shaq got traded, the lakers received nothing close in return, meaning we could get kobe for a decent price!

by tomcat on May 30, 2007 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

A reason for that
is that the Lakers paid a premium to get Shaq out of the conference. I would think they'd be willing to do the same in a Kobe deal.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It can't happen until the Finals are over, per
League rules.

Other than that, I don't think the timing is regulated, though you would imagine the teams would want to have any deals finalized prior to the draft.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

shaq trade
Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant and a first-round draft pick in return.  For the Bulls that translates into Deng, BG, and Tyrus and the #9 pick.  That's a fairly hefty amount.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on May 30, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

not quite
Grant was a corpse with a terrible contract. The pick was late-teens.

Also I'd say butler/odom is less than gordon/deng, maybe more like gordon/thomas

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

shaq was also clearly on the downside of his
career, Kobe is in his prime.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on May 30, 2007 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh Matt?
I typed all this crap last night about Kobe?
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

you sure did
and this thread was already out there, which is why it's now gone.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

alright then
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's why it was deleted:
because it was "crap."
Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on May 30, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

would you throw in
Wallace and Hinrich?
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd definite;y through in Wallace
If the Lakers were to actually trade Kobe, though, they'd be in full-scale rebuilding mode, so I don't know why they'd want Wallace.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

just as well
They'd still Wallace anyway. But you're right there's no way the Lakers take back an aging contract like that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could the Knicks trade for Kobe?
I am trying to assess other (imaginary) suitors in the East.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

doubt it
they have no young players even close to what the Bulls can offer.

I'd think the Sixers have a shot (with Igoudala), and perhaps Boston (the great Al Jefferson).

Also, 'richer' teams (like the Bulls) have a better shot than the Bobcats or Hawks or Raptors, but that's not based on anything.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

a reach
but how about the Wiz? Sure, everyone loves Gilbert Arenas but he's not as good as Bryant. And if the Lakers truly do need a 'star' to compensate for losing Bryant, Arenas is nearly as good as it gets.

Problem is outside of Gilbert the Wiz have little in the realm of prospects or picks (16th overall this season). Maybe include Jamison for Odom to give the Lakers further cap relief (and a pretty good player).

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats a hugeeeeee trade
i dont see the wiz making a run at kobe.....had everyone stayed healthy they would have been a dangerous team....they just need to get a bruce bowenesque player that can make up for some of their defensive lacking

and get rid of deshaun...damn i hate him

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they're dangerous at all
They have one of the worst defenses in the league. Getting Kobe doesn't help much of that (despite his rep) but it does make them a better team.

And I disagree they need a 'bruce bowen'. They need a shot-swatting big man, and/or likely need to give up on Jamison as the starting 4 sooner or later.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

they also have one of the top offenses
they were a team 6 - 8  games above 500 until they went down to injuries, and they have 3 good players...

if they could get a defensive stopper, either a wingman or an inside man, he could probably add 3 wins to the total.

Finally the team is dangerous because when they are on, they are the best team in the game. could they win the chip without defense; of course not. Could they upset someone.....defentely

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woukd he even accept a trade to the Knicks?
If he actually would, then endorsements would be the only reason, because the Knicks are even worse than the Lakers, and they'd have to give up their best players to get Kobe.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

DO NOT INCLUDE
TYRUS
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep in mind Kobe has a no-trade clause
Regardless of whether you believe that Peter Vescey report about the Bulls being the only team Kobe wants to be traded to, keep in mind that he can veto any trades that he doesn't like.  So they can't trade him to say, Atlanta or some other NBA outpost.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

That is true
but he also said he would play in pluto, which i think is Atlanta, or is it Boston?
The Future is bright!

by Goostafer on May 30, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd offer LA Noc (resigned), Wallace and
and our 2008 draft pick for Kobe, Milm and Bynam.  Maybe we get lucky.

by chgobr on May 30, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

kobe will not be a bull
but if we're looking for trades; this is the best the bulls should offer

http://tinyurl.com/39jozp

throw in the #9 pick (after the lakers tell us who they want plus that evens the salarys after signing...), and our 2009 first round pick

we get kobe, 2010 first round pick, and the lakers 2nd round pick (48)

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

This can't be happening
im so scared
The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on May 30, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Dan Patrick
said the only teams that you could trade him to would be Chicago and Dallas straight for Dirk.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

That's interesting.
Dirk for Kobe.

I imagine that Kobe would be thrilled with that. It would immediately put him on a contending team with all of the pieces in place.

I wonder if Dallas would do it?

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

LA
Would not keep him in the conference if they made a trade. That's why Shaq's in MIA.

by kingj41 on May 30, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

But they would be comprensated by getting
the reigning MVP in return.  That might be tempting if the offer was available.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any capologists think
Memphis can get involved and shed some contracts? The Bulls just don't have them.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

why would Kobe acpect
a trade to the Griz?
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

accept
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe
Pax Jack is saying Kobe still going to the Bulls but the Grizzlies getting involved to help the deal get done.
I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
The Grizzle would be the 3rd team.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

this was done quickly
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=130~996~110~2377~2381~2435~3032&teams= 13~13~4~29~29~29~29

chicago sends its #9 to Memphis; along wiht 2nd rounders, and 2009 first rounder

LAL get 2008 and 2010 memphis first rounders

not perfect but its a start

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

memphis would need to get the #9 pick
and something from the lakers....lakers come out no true worse for wear, and the grizz get smoked

they already have stromile swift and hakim warrick and rudy gay who are the same type of player as tyrus

I don't remember who suggested that memphis come on, but I'm not a proponent of that

Salary wise, the trade for kobe and kobe alone is reletivley easy. 3M for du, 4M for Ben, 2M for the pick, 3M for tyrus, then noch would cover the rest, or signing someone like PJ or sweets to a huge one year deal (which LAL would love to free up salary space)....its not that hard. Finally, if the bulls sign BG to an extension, it probably adds 1.5 - 2M on his trade value because of the poison pill prevention

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course they don't
and if you look at my running comments, I've said numerous times, no deals until draft day and we draft whomever trading team wants

thats why so few deals are done in the early portion of the offseason, and draft night is haywire

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

then why did you say
"2M for the pick" ?

Are you saying they draft and then sign the pick than THEN trade it? I'm pretty sure you can't do that, but I suggest we both check.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade value
71.  How are draft picks handled in trades?

Draft picks (both first and second round) count $0 for salary matching purposes.  This is true both before and after the draft, until the player signs a contract.  This can make it very difficult to construct a trade that is equitable in both trade value and basketball talent.  For example, Vancouver selected Steve Francis with the #2 pick in the 1999 draft, and traded his draft rights to Houston.  When the trade was finally engineered, it included three teams (Orlando was also involved), 11 players (including Francis) and two future draft picks.

Once the draft pick signs a contract, his actual salary becomes his trade value.

I beleive that means that we would draft whomeever ; sign; then trade him away immediately

either way its only 2M...throw in malik allan (resigned) or AG and it makes up the value

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, every million helps
the Bulls only have 9 guys under contract next season, so if they can trade the pick with a cap value and that keeps a bit player in town I'm all for waiting.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh
it'll be "um...am I supposed to be comfirming or denying this trade demand? I've lost my place in the schedule"

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys SERIOUSLY THINK
if we traded BG7 We would lose so much

BG7 > K.O.B.E. in rap skill

BG7 also has Myoplex which makes you feel 50 feet tall. This needs to be accounted into the trades.

I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Henry Abbott alluded to trading Kobe for
Luol, Wallace, and TT.

The Bulls would have no remaining frontcourt in that scenario.

Not to mention, the Lakers won't accept Wallace's contract, one would think.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow
We would then have to draft a big guy or sign a FA.
I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather trade Deng and Gordon
Obviously with a contract in there to even the salaries.  Because if the Bulls are getting Kobe, then Gordon isn't needed.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.
That's the trade that seems to make the most sense, if one were really going to happen.

The Lakers get two young, rising players with some proven skills, neither of whom is a "project." They would have promising, youthful balance with Gordon at guard, Deng at forward, and Bynum at center.

Meanwhile, the Bulls would have a great backcourt with Kobe and Hinrich, a proven defensive center in Wallace, and a young athletic forward in Tyrus. They would have to add one piece through the MLE.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

SF?
Cap room would presumably be about the same, since salaries have to match.  Rashard Lewis could fill in the 3 spot in a sign-and-trade for the pick and filler.  If we could work that, we'd have quite a team.

Hinrich
Kobe
Lewis
Thomas
Wallace

All b/w 6'3 and 6'10, athletic(Kirk excepted) and I think drafting a post player wouldn't be necessary.

Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on May 31, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

where; pray tell
do we find the salary for not only kobe, but rashard lewis...because if this is pax' master plan than david falk better start signing malik allan, pj, sweets, and andre barrett because htye about to go monster delas

by milesgmsu on May 31, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

technically it IS 'we'
since chicagoans are all filthy rich and the Bulls are as such too.

don't sweat the tax if the team is awesome.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade Hinrich, Deng
Let BG7 play point with Kobe at the 2.  Oh, the firepower!

(please note, the above is a facetious comment).

Draft pick rodeo -- Yi Hawes!

by preverbal on May 30, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade
think about it like this

Obv gordon is gone....kobe will replace him and it gives the lakers a cheap option for this year, and then resign him in the future

Tyrus is gone too; he has the most potental, and could be a star

gordon and tyrus for kobe wont cut it. We're then looking at giving up Deng, Noch + #9, or #9 and and future picks

We can't give up thabo and tyrus because too much is depending upon those guys in the future

Deng and Hinrich and Wallace for contractual and team based purposes will be staying

So the #9, and then if the lakers want noch, noch; if they don't a lot of future draft picks

3 or 4 year window for championships; then a few lean years with only hinrich and deng (we'll ahve few draft picks and only thabo in term of ypungsters), and we'll be something like the nets - a middling team until we can get some more picks and the cycle is restarted

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

or just not do the trade
and find a post player and keep on building with what we have.
I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like your
way of thinking. ;-)
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 30, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sue, I am starting to agree with you
trading for Kobe we are going to have to give up a couple players, why not just keep them and build more around GDH. We are close right now, actually just missing one piece imo. If we can find a post player by trading Duh and/or Noc and/or 9 or sign a free agent.
I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sue,
I can see where you're coming from, really, I can. He's a creep and a terrible player in terms of teamwork.
But if trading a core of Gordon, Ty, the 9 pick and salaries gives us a championship-caliber team NEXT SEASON (we'd almost certainly come out of the terrible, terrible East), I willing to sell my soul to the devil.
Maybe you're just more principled than I.
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

No Way
I do not want the Bulls to give up Tyrus Thomas under any circumstance. Sorry.

by Grass on May 30, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

you can probably replace thabo for tyrus
if u throw in krappy or some 2nd rounders

bottom line is that the lakers will be rebuilding so they would need to stockpile potnetial and picks

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly because I think he's largely an unknown
Doesn't seem like he's the type of player that most teams see fitting in easily.
Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on May 31, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Someone's got to mention the downside . . .
Would Kobe and Skiles strangle one another?  My God, Kobe had problems with Phil Jackson, who has nine championship rings.  Skiles is a very good coach, but he doesn't have the "resume" that Phil Jackson has.  What happens if Skiles suggests at some point during the season that Kobe just might be shooting too much?  Does Kobe try to get him fired, or demand another trade?

by Big D on May 30, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

by Kobe's account
which changes every 30 minutes or so, he likes Skiles and Paxson. I think chemistry is last thing to worry about here. Remember the Lakers are run in the same insane family-owned fashion as the Bears.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh
Kobe has always said he would have gone to Duke, so expect a Coach K and Kobe would be great for the Bulls column at some point this summer.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point on skiles/kobe
but you ahve to assume that pax will do his HW

and why i'm not replying is this:

You don't do the trade if u have to give up deng. Deng is going to be good on his lonesome, and to give up Deng + gordon + extras = kobe is asanine. The only trade that makes the bulls a better team on the whole is taking the solid 8 man rotation, upgrading on gordon, and losing out tyrus and finding a 4 via the MLE or minor trade

Hinrich, Wallace, and Deng all must remain bulls for the kobe trade to make sense

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I strongly disagree with the
argument that giving up Deng and Gordon is too much for Kobe Bryant (in his prime).

Deng is a good player now and perhaps someday he will be a great player, but he possesses a limited game. He is a jump shooter with mediocre ball handling skills and an inability to creat his own shot. His defense is often suspect.

Kobe Bryant is already a first ballot Hall of Famer! And he is in his prime. How many times did he drop 50 last season? He can shoot the jumper, hit the three, play in the post, pass the ball, drive to the basket, generate free throws, and play great defense.

In the East, Kobe alone is enough to get to the Finals. Look at what Cleveland is doing this season. They have LeBron and...and...and...and f'in no one! Yet they are two wins away from the Finals!  

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not about equal value
The Bulls can get away with sending just one of GDH, because they have tradeables like Thomas and the 9 pick. No other team can offer a rebuilding package as good as that, and be a place Kobe wants to go. If the demand is real, the pressure is on the Lakers to move Kobe, and they're going to get a less than fair deal no matter what. Why bother trading for Kobe if you're not going to be a world beater? Just showing up for the Finals and to get pounded by a deeper West team would suck.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your point, but I simply disagree
with your assessment of the equities and pressures at play.

Certainly, there will be some pressure on the Lakers to deal Kobe. However, I doubt that they will do anything particularly brash because Kobe is under contract for two more seasons. It's not as if he can leave imminently without any compensation for the Lakers at all. He can create discord, obviously, but he really can't afford to be apathetic during the two years that are arguably the best in an NBA player's life (29, 30). So I would imagine he'd continue to play hard in a Lakers' jersey next season.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said in the interview with Dan Patrick
that if they don't trade him he will have to go out and continue to just play basketball like he has before.
I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of that
What's the point of getting Kobe and having the Bulls become the Lakers?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sam Smith neglects to
take into account the fact that the Bulls play in the East.

The Bulls (with Kobe) would not lose in the first round of the playoffs to some Eastern conference dreg.

Now Smith may very well be right about the Lakers' refusal to ever trade Kobe. I doubt they will do it as well.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

another reason they wouldn't be the lakers
The Bulls don't have Mitch Kupchak as GM.

That said, being in the East hardly makes me feel much better if they're a crappy team.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cleveland is a pretty crappy team.
But if they make it to the Finals, I bet their fans won't feel too bad about the abstract label.

And it's not as if the current Bulls team has demonstrated the ability to advance to the Finals and destroy the Western Conference representative.

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Sam Smith wrote that yesterday
It'll be interesting to see if what's happened today changes that.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would still be weak team
by NBA standards, and what's the point of cutting the competitive life of the current roster short if the Bulls would still need to sneak a championship in by luck. With the exception of Dallas, all the teams that should still be in the playoffs are still there. The NBA isn't an "anything can happen in the playoffs" pro sports league.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

jazz by all accounts shoudlnt there
i woulda had rockets or dallas coming out before them....

in fact you could probably rank utah 5th in terms of power out west...maybe even 6 if denver had gotten its act together

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that a team featuring
Kobe Bryant, Ben Wallace, Kirk Hinrich, and Tyrus Thomas could be considered "weak."

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
and its not like the Bulls have to win the championship the very next season either, they can make some nice FA signings to round out the roster.

But yes I'd consider Gordon AND Deng to be too much unless the Lakers actually could find something comperable somewhere else. I highly doubt that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 30, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the lakers find a deal comproable
to deng and gordon good for them; pax should cut off the line in that case

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and my Sam linking
was for borrowing his words more than anything else. I doubt the Bulls would be a first round exit team, but a deep playoff run still seems unlikely to me.

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 30, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I fucking hate Kobe (and it has nothing to do with the rape charges, I've hated him ever since he came into the league), but he's the best player in the league!  How often does a team get a chance to acquire a player like that?  Look at all the talk last week over the draft lottery - Oden and Durant are going to be damn good players, but there's a good chance neither of those guys will ever be as good as Kobe.  Cleveland is in the Eastern Conference Finals, and may actually go to the NBA Finals, with an offense that apparently consists of Lebron James (who's not as good as Kobe) dribbling around for 20 seconds and then doing something.  Imagine what Kobe could do here with real players and a real coach.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

including paxjax response
you ahve to ahve a solid rotation; it has shown consistnetly that talent doesnt do it alone

the bulls offense is predicated upon moving the ball (wait for laughs); it's clear that kobe wants to win, but doesn't know how to with dleaguers all around him. By keeping hinrich and deng not only do we have a fantastic starting 5, but kirk can bring the ball up or kobe can and dish or shoot, deng for solid mid range game and cutting, and then a decent 4 man to play along big ben....theoretically its perfect

if you give up deng, not only do u have the issue of guarding (putting alot of pressure on the bench after moving thabo up) but all the offense will come from kobe and kirk...its a slight improvement on the lakers

Finally, Kirk's numbers should skyrocket with the additon of Kobe. Wether kobe deserves all defense or not, he is 6'6" and a better defender than BG. Kobe can play the big guards, and hinrich will revert back to the PG's where he can smoke the PGs, or double with kobe against bad pg teams (Atl, Mia, Orlando etc) and neutralize the entire back court; or even move kobe up on the SF, Deng on the 4, and let wallace or tyrus maybe roam....

while i'm not for adding kobe (i dont like his style, or his personality), for the sake of argument theorteically the team ebcomes much more dangerous by essentially forgoing a few lottery picks and ben gordon upgrading into one of the premier players in the game

and we'll get an all star

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

trade
If the Bulls do this, I say the trade Kirk, Ben and Noc....nothing more

Move Thabo into the starting line up.

PG Thabo
SG Kobe
SF Deng
PF Tyrus
C Ben

The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on May 30, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Thats a good lineup
We would have the best starting 5 in the league.  I'd like to see them keep BG and include Thabo, but i think Mitch would want both.

by DannyRange on May 30, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo... the point guard?
We drafted him as a 3-man. I don't think I could deal with being one of the plethora of NBA teams without a servicable point guard.
Besides, doesn't Kirk have a Magical Untradable Contract?
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

heh
well it's not that magical...and that status ends (I think) on July 1st and then he's a 'normal' $11m

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 31, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo
can be that "Ron Harper" kind of PG he was in Chicago.
The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on May 31, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

My impression
Was he was to be a 1/2/3 with height and length to defend the bigger guards and scorers, allowing Kirk to catch his breath sometime in the future.
Like a proud papa...

by cubbybear on May 31, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think...
he was drafted as a tall two (a do everything two, like defend, score a little bit, etc), that could play either 1 or 3 if needed.

In my opinion, he is more a 1 or 3, than a 2 (because of his shot). Then again, I haven't seen him shoot the ball the last couple of years.

P.S. I'm from his hometown.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jun 1, 2007 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

So far
Dan just asking him about the situation with the inside source of the Lakers and how he feels about. Kobe sounds really depressed. Kobe was ok with Lakers until the inside source said that it was Kobe who ran Shaq out and that made him mad.
Kobe called Mitch today and said that he wanted to be dealt.

Kobe just said he would waive his no-trade. He said he would play anywhere (even Atlanta Dan asked jokingly)

Now talking about Shaq quote

I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe is not looking at teams
just wants to get out of LA. He says it "sucks" being there.

Kobe said if West came back and Phil stayed it would help him stay in LA. Kobe knows who the inside is that said that Kobe ran Shaq out

They talking more about his frustrations. Now talking about a player that might make Kobe stay.

I want Hawes.

by SRQman on May 30, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he just lost his temper . . .
Especially if he actually said he'd be willing to go to Atlanta.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe just wants the Lakers to make moves.
I think this is all bullshit now.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

this shit's crazy!!!
Look if kobe wants out, he is going to want out. "Is there anything the Lakers could do to (make you change your mind)."  Sorry, I dont remember the exact phrase. Similar to AI, if the lakers are forced to trade him, they might not get equal value in return but just go for the best value.  No one else has anything that would match a bulls offer (even without Deng) that would satisfy kobe.

You can say whatever you want about him, that he is a horrible person or whatever.  Bottom line though is he wants to win as bad as anyone else in the league and he works hard.  

How much does Paxson love his little effort to make the bulls competitve? which I think he has done a good job with. Hopefully not too much.

by Sambossanova on May 30, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

From TrueHoop:
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-24-131/Kobe-Bryant-Says-He-d-Like-to-be-Traded.html
UPDATE: ESPN's Greg Anthony says on Outside the Lines that he has talked to Kobe Bryant. Anthony reports that Bryant tells him he will rescind his trade demand if the Lakers terminate whoever was responsible for the leaked rumor that Bryant was responsible O'Neal's departure.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

ok this is gay
Im out of here.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to know we're all mature here
Your presence will be sorely missed, I'm sure.
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh well.
Predictably, Kobe appears to be backing down.

(I just hope Tyrus is at the gym working on that jumper.)

by 1958ChiTown on May 30, 2007 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

who's playing again tonight?
If you watch ESPN you would think Lebron has won the damn NBA title.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

phil jackson?
didn't anyone else realize that this has been being said by phil for years!

by milesgmsu on May 30, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phil said that in his book!
Obviously Kobe's never bothered to read it.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf?

Amazing that one of the most talented athletes in the world could be so ... petty.  

Since the story came out hours ago, I always sort of thought he wasn't going to end up being traded.  But I figured, at least, he was angling to have management bring in better players.  Turns out, it wasn't even that - he just wants some low-level employee to be fired.

This is getting downright weird.

by Bayern Munich on May 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Shooting God or Guard Mr. Kobe
It will take all we have to get him; Hinrich, Noc, Duhon, Thabo, and this years pick.  I'd do it in a heartbeat! This is one of the greatest players of all time.  If we can keep Lou, TT, and Gordon Pax should really consider this option.

by DannyRange on May 30, 2007 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

it won't happen.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is all crazy, crazy
Kobe's only problem with Skiles would be his ball hogging.  Kobe works hard, even if he is an ass off the court.  This is just a power play.

And the number of comments, wow...........

by KT on May 30, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Phil of the Future!
Kobe says bring in The Logo and evrything gets better? One problem West is not coming and since Phil is the one who talked him off the ledge, hmmm why not make Phil GM? I wonder if there was any collusion here? Remember Phil wanted Krumbs job too!

by A Train Afro 53 on May 30, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

You can bet
that whoever started that rumor will no longer be associated with the Lakers. Kobe isn't going any where. KT is right, it is just a power play.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 30, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably
It's not exactly a shocking rumor; it's what pretty much everyone assumed happened three years ago.  Hell, Phil Jackson wrote in his book that Kobe told him to his face after the season that he wouldn't re-sign with the Lakers if Shaq was still there.  I'm guessing all this is is a ploy by Kobe to scare the Lakers into doing something drastic this summer.

by Big D on May 30, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lakers suck.
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Kobe's retraction
You know if he really does want to be traded, the best way to do it is to keep quiet about it so that the Lakers can maximize the return they get. You dont get talked off the ledge he was on with Screamin. Until they hire West to run B-ball ops and trade for some guys who are all-stars, any non-trade talk should be viewed with some spectisism. I am not saying he wants to be traded still, but I dont think this is a short cycle news item.

by LD9 on May 30, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Kobe's best strategy
Bad thinking on what Kobe should do.  Remember: Kobe not only wants to get traded, but he wants the team he goes to to have the most assets possible to surround him with.  He wants to depreciate himself as an asset, to make himself as unappealing and worthless to the Lakers as possible, and he wants it to be public that he has depreciated his value so that John Paxson and Danny Ainge know that when bartering with Kupchek (and I'm sure) Buss.  Plus, he probably wants the Lakers to be worse, as a sort of personal vendetta and also because it would be disastrous p.r. for him if trading Kobe redounded to LA's benefit.

I agree with you though, that this is a long-term situation that will continue to fester.

by IrishGush on Jun 1, 2007 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

ummm so
does he wana get traded or not?
Bears moving dynamic Hester to offense!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 30, 2007 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I think
that's sort of the key question.
If there are problems in this world that jumping can solve, Tyrus Thomas will solve them. (Truehoop)

by Chalkwhite on May 31, 2007 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's a drama queen
and wanted attention and now he has it. He's not going any where.
Who will come and who will go? Stay tuned!

by sue369 on May 31, 2007 6:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sue
Apparently you have a personal vendetta against Kobe.  Were you the girl in Silverthorne, CO or did Kobe wine and dine you on a trip after a game vs. the Bulls?

by DABUFFS50 on May 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, you're a dick
Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on May 31, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do i want kobe on teh bulls
Not that my oppinion will ever actually matter on the future of the bulls but, i raised the question of how it would affect me if kobe was put on the bulls.

I will begin with i dont like kobe, greatest player in the nba at the moment without a doubt, and yet he just doesnt have mentality of "whatever it takes for the team to win", instead he has the mentality of, "whatever it takes for ME to get the win". Of course that is debatable, but it is generally how i feel. Not to mention that he really tries hard to be like his airness (the toungue, the hair, the way he speaks to the media, the playing style, and lets not forget wearing 24). His ego might be the only thing that surpasses his ability to play.

That is why i dont like kobe, but there is no doubt he is still the best in the game right now.

Trading for kobe brings up the question of (to quote sue's sig) who will stay, and who will go. When i re-started watching the bulls in 2004, i was just a bulls fan. However by the middle of the 2005 season, i definetly became a hinrich fan. So what if hinrich is involved in the trade for kobe? Would i then watch more laker games to watch hinrich keep the lakers on the map. What if hinrich wasnt traded, but gordon and luol deng were, would suddenly the loss of two core memebers, and the addition of a superstar change "bulls basketball". I like "bulls basketball" i like the concept of passing the ball around, playing hard defense, never giving up basketball. I like seeing the concept of teamwork, i like seeing a team of once no-names, become a team of underated stars, just waiting for a chance to bloom into allstars. i like watching a team of role players evolve into great players that might suddenly break the role playing mold.

Having kobe would change the world of bulls basketball, and though change is often inevitable, i dont think im ready for that change until i am certain the bulls cannot compete with the "better" teams.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 31, 2007 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

the hair?

by Paxson Jackson @ Blog a Bull on May 31, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

hehe
ESPECIALLY THE HAIR!!!
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on May 31, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a question..
... since you seem to openly question you own loyalty to Bulls, if Kirk decided he would rather not play for Chicago and chose instead to sign with  the Bobcats would you then be a Bobcats fan?  It makes me wonder when fans make these sort of statements.

by Rankdog on May 31, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If kobe joined the bulls
The bulls that i am a fan of would most likely not exist, so what would i be a fan of?

Lets say we draft yi, and he becomes that great player you feel he would, though right now i am saying i rather not have yi, if he did become so great to truly win us that championship, i would definetly be proud of the bulls the whole.

However the difference is, by getting yi, we essentially hold onto who the bulls are, and get to see them evolve as yi gets better. With kobe i see the playing style change, no longer is it team ball, but it would be give the ball to kobe. Even if hinrich wasnt traded, and we lost deng and gordon and tyrus, i dont know if i could really watch basketball anymore.

As for hinrich, well read my profile to find out the significance of him.

I am sure you are a greater fan than me, you probably watched teh bulls after the dynasty was demolished, and watched the craptastic team of the new millenium, and watched the rookie year of kirk, but on my own behalf the only basketball team i have ever truly been a fan of is the bulls.

If i get disgusted with the way they are going, i might stop watching basketball, and if hinrich were traded i might keep tabs on how well he was doing elsewhere, or watch some clips of him in action, but the only TEAM i would ever root for is the bulls.

I dont think im the only one who feels this way, but if you feel that i am wrong (and thus anything i say about the draft is wrong too ;/ ) then i am sorry i am not as loyal to the bulls as you.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jun 1, 2007 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly
You shouldn't take differences of opinion so personally.  As far as Kobe is concerned I haven't stated anything as far as my opinion.  I honestly do not think anything will happen this year in regards to Kobe.  Depending on what pieces were I may or may not like the trade.  I like Yi, I like Noah, I like Brewer, and I like a few other prospects in the draft it just happens you and I have gone back and forth in comparisons between Hawes and Yi.  We could have very well been discussing any number of prospects that I like that you may not.  

As far as captain Kirk... he is one of the top 10 pgs in the game and it would be hard to make a trade and get a piece back worth what he brings.  If we make a trade from the core I would rather it be Gordon.  I could go into my reasons but will save that for another post.  I am not in favor of gutting the team to bring in Kobe or any other player.  Most trades I see purposed involve 2 core players, both rookies, Noce, and this years first round pick.  Not what I would like to see happen.

If you do not want to be questioned regarding your fanaticism, then you really shouldn't throw it down like an ultimatum in a public forum.  That was the only point I had with my previous post.

by Rankdog on Jun 1, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just a side note.
This is from Chat Fords Blog at ESPN http://tinyurl.com/2sottz :

"The Yi Jianlian games have begun. Yi is foregoing the physical-only portion of the camp -- the first time I remember seeing that move by a player.

Yi is not injured and he's not in China. He's pulling out to maintain control of the process.

Both his agent, Dan Fegan, and the Chinese government want to make sure Yi lands on the "right" team. So Yi will work out for only a few select teams.

Yi's Orlando maneuver means that the other teams in the league won't even have the results of a physical to look at, which might further discourage them from draft Yi.

Don't be shocked if Golden State or Chicago finds a way to move up and grab Yi. They seem to be the two "approved" teams most interested."

by Rankdog on Jun 1, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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