Heat to trade for Ricky Davis and Mark Blount

by Big D on Oct 24, 2007 11:21 AM CDT Comment 33 comments

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3077037

They're giving up Antoine Walker, Michael Doleac, and Wayne Simien.

As much of a turd as Davis can be at times, he's still a big upgrade on Antoine Walker. Blount is a stiff, but it's not like he'll play much behind Shaq and Zo (at least until Shaq suffers his yearly injury). Damn, I was looking forward to seeing them miss the playoffs this year. Unless Davis was literally setting things on fire in the Minnesota locker room, I have no idea why Minnesota makes this trad. . . oh wait, Kevin McHale is their GM. Never mind.

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Davis had a sweet

expiring deal. Maybe Walker is getting bought out. I can't imagine a dumber move than picking up a borderline useless player signed through 2011 at 8,9,10,10.

by hscs on Oct 24, 2007 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

expiring deals aren't that valuable

if you actually want to decrease your salary in the future.

I don't think Minnesota was going to use Davis midseason to get a multi-year salaried player back. Doleac and Simien are ~$4m of expiring money in return, so not too bad of a tradeoff.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gah!

I have to be honest (and this is tough to admit), I've been working on a TWolves-Heat deal for the past week on the trade machine.

It just seems natural for both teams. Miami desperately needs firepower, especially since they don't know when Wade's coming back. (nice of him to put off his surgery till mid-summer, whattaguy)

The Wolves don't need Ricky Davis taking minutes, and definately don't want Mark Blount on their books or in their locker room.

The big question is if they get a draft pick (any 1st rounder helps considering how much they've been giving them away before now), and the details of Walker's contract. Part of what piqued my interest in a Walker-to-Minnesota deal was reading this on Sham's salary page:

Antoine Walker: Signed and traded to a 6 year, $52,146,300 contract in August 2005. Final two options became unguaranteed when it turned out he had an arthritic knee condition. Walker has an early termination option so he can can opt out of them if he wishes, but they are also both fully unguaranteed, so effectively it works as a mutual option - either the player or the team can terminate the final two years and nothing is owed.

Now unless that condition is waived if he's traded, that's a huge bonus for the TWolves to know they only have 2 guaranteed years for Walker as opposed to 3 years for Blount. They'll likely just buy his fat ass out.

McHale has run the franchise in the ground, but at least he's actively trying to un-do salary mistakes. First with James-for-Howard, then Hassell-for-Buckner, and now Blount-for-Walker. It's a slow process but it's hard to dump these mid-level players who make too much guaranteed money. Lets hope Nocioni plays well, heh.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Didn't know part of Walker's contract. . .

Was unguaranteed. If so, then it's definitely a better deal for Minny (especially if they're planning on buying him out).

by Big D on Oct 24, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

makes sense now

I thought the expiring Davis deal would be valuable for a future Gerald Green max contract.

The way things have been going in the BaB comment section I expect Walker-longing if and when he gets bought out.

by hscs on Oct 24, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has post moves!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and...

great preseason production!!
I'm holding out for a Bulls-Eagles trade that nets us Donovan McNabb. He's a heady winner that gets the system.

"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Oct 24, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think McHale

just wants Walker to be a role model for Al Jefferson. Walker would be able to model the work habits and shot selection that has made Antoine such an effective player.

by Scotter on Oct 24, 2007 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they can sign Sweetney too

Then they might have a better offensive line than the Vikings.

by Big D on Oct 24, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or we can pick up both...

and stick em on the Matadors!
http://www.nba.com/bulls/dance/matadors.html

by Old Skool Sloan on Oct 24, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I seem to remember Blount and Jefferson

simply hating each other.

by Scotter on Oct 24, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh

that was brought up after he was traded to minnesota, and Jefferson said he was 'misquoted'. Of course he was.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that comment made my day

by KT on Oct 24, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

minnesota

may give the 72-73 sixers a run for the worst record ever...though it is hard to imagine not getting 10 wins through a year

they are playing essentially all youngin's, or guys lucky to the make the 8 man rotation...Ricky would have been good for at least 6 or 7 wins (not to mention the 40 losses) a year, but now who is going to score besides jefferson (who i'm not even sold on). Who is there 2nd best player (telfair, green, mccants, foye, JARIC!) Ugh, i need a shower. This team could set numerous records for futility, including my bold preseason prediction - lowest PPG of a non-fratello coached team.

If fratello coached this team, they might not crack 55 numerous times.

And here's one last positive; we can write those 2 losses to the twolves every year into wins, and our record of 49 points in a game may be broken

12-70 final record

by milesgmsu on Oct 24, 2007 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

sorry this merited addition

ricky davis was the team captain. Let the laughter ensue

by milesgmsu on Oct 24, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't remember

where I read it last week but someone thought we shoud try and get Davis.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 24, 2007 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

file that between

duh - gray starters and "james posey: good drinking buddy?"

by milesgmsu on Oct 24, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was likely

here.

I think Davis gets a bad rep. He may be somewhat shot-happy but I don't think he's that bad of a teammate.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

that was it. Thanks.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Oct 24, 2007 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

especially

when it comes to eventful boat trips and/or suggesting ways of generating rebounds to produce triple-doubles.
I love this move as I don't see it helping the Heat in a meaningful way.

"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Oct 24, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it helps Heat

with Wade out they are missing the main scorer on their team and don't have any guard/forward that is really capable of filling that role, Davis is not Wade but he can score and create shots for himself

it at least gives Heat another option on offense, the rest of their roster is not used to being person to be looked at to score

by NY Chicago Fan on Oct 24, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i understand

the theory perfectally. ...what i question is the practice. I look at Davis' background and it's littered with teams that have underachieved. I think that he has many qualities that have a negative effect on team performance. And when Wade returns, how will the chemistry between williams, davis and Dwayne play out?

"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Oct 24, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He once shot the ball at his own basket

So he could get one more rebound and a triple-double.

by Big D on Oct 24, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Davie has been a bit of

BULL killer has he not?

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 24, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he litterally

goes out and kills a Bull.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 24, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

Davis

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 24, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Simien was supposed to be a decent young guy

He might be a nice addition. Or he could be Minnesota's Viktor Khryapa.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 24, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he's 24 and had salmonella

um...that's all I got. Problem in Minny is that they have a lot of cuts to make, and probably like a guy they drafted like Chris Richard over him.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

can't help but

feel a lil bit for good ol' satellite head aka 'toine...it hasn't been a good last 6 months for him

...you get tied up and robbed in your house, you get told by your boss that you're fat and out of shape, and then you get shipped out of Miami (the mecca of fun, sun, and hot women)...to a boring cold-weather city, to team that MAY not even keep you! DAMN!

by ScottieCartwright on Oct 24, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs