Derrick Rose, the current League MVP, wants Pau Gasol in Chicago. Marca.com
This idea of a trade has been talked about in our Fanposts; however, this is the first time it has been actually rumored. Unsure how reliable, if at all, of a source this is and it would be CRAZY for Derrick to actually suggest a trade but it seems like a great idea!
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bullshit but here's two ideas
one: Pau and Andrew Goudelock for Booz, CJ and Omer. Assumes Mike James could be the primary backup in the playoffs.
two: Booz, Brewer and Omer for Pau and Matt Barnes.
I like the second one. and I think it makes some sense. One year less of a big PF contract with the harsh tax penalties in effect and mirotic here (probly); consolidates talent a bit for the playoffs; we dont have to worry about omer’s restricted FA this summer, and the Lakers get a PF who better complements bynum and a legit backup center. pau can play center and then we’d have to pick up Fesenko or Pryz, maybe both for depth. brewer’s out so hamilton would have to be healthy-ish, and maybe CJ plays a little more 2. We get Matt Barnes and his scrappy ways for the playoffs. I’m down for that.
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
I think the lakers would want CJ
they need a PG that can shoot the ball… I know he has had some rough games lately but he is one of the top 3 point shooters and best back-up pgs in the league
For a team
that values its depth like the Bulls brass do, giving up the primary backup to Rose, who has missed significant time with two different injuries, seems unlikely.
cj watson or pau gasol
Hmm I wonder if its worth it
by MartyMondays on Feb 19, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would do it
but I would’ve done a lot of things the current GM was unwilling to do.
Don't believe this for a second, but boy would I love for it to be true...
Also, I thought BJ was Rose’s agent, the article suggests Arn Tellem is.
The way I always understood it was...
that BJ is Derrick’s primary agent, and that he works for Arn Tellem’s agency or agent group or however that stuff is set up..
maybe they want to bring in pau to mentor mirotic.
but man talk about a lengthy line-up
deng/gasol/noah/hamilton/rose
This would be a decent trade for both sides. Pau is obviously disgruntled in LA for a variety of reasons(not enough touches, still mad about trade attempt). Boozer is obviously not as good as Gasol but the Lakers get an upgrade for Fisher in Watson and a legit backup center and they get another high level perimeter defender as well.
I don't know where you got the idea that Pau is disgruntled?
He handled the trade situation like a pro (which is more than can be said of Lamar) and if he’s really upset about touches, then Chicago would be a terrible fit…
i did read something recently that kobe said
that he thought the trade talk got to pau or something. but yeah, he did handle it like a professional. that being said – i’ll come to odom’s defense a little here. the guy had a really rough summer (his cousin was murdered and he was involved as a passenger in a fatal car accident) and had even contemplated taking the year off before being traded. i think that the trade just piled up on him.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Feb 19, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, didn't know about LO's summer...that's terrible, and I take back my snarky comment about him
Still don’t think Pau would be happy in Chicago if he’s not in L.A. though
yeah, i mean it was clear you didn't know
just wanted to inform! he just hasn’t been in the right place mentally i think, and i think it’s important to be aware of the shit he’s gone through before judging. he’s def gone through some bad stuff – his son died of SIDS a few years back too (i assume you knew that one, though).
but yeah, pau may not be happy in chicago if his concern is about touches.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Who is going to take his touches?
We don’t have Kobe. Derrick is always looking to pass. We need a scoring big man. I see no reason he can’t get a lot more touches here. If the Lakers are shipping him we should for sure inquire.
TL;DR
yeah i think a whole lot offense would be run through him if he were here
it’s not like deng needs the ball in his hands or something
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by paddyfairview on Feb 19, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
just for comparison's sake, he gets more FGA per game than boozer already.
granted, he plays more minutes so he’d get a couple more if he were getting the same shots as boozer, but still. their usg is about 2 percent apart in booz’s favor. just seems like to me if he was taking booz’s spot in the offense, he’s not improving much.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
right but i dont think he would take boozer's spot. lu wouldn't be asked to create really at all with pau
and it would take some of the pressure off of rose. i think he’d have a much bigger role than booz
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by paddyfairview on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
Still makes no sense to me why LAL would do this
They trade an All-Star level talent to downgrade at the PF and get a decent-but-not-that-great PG? This trade makes the Lakers worse. I don’t get it. Only way this makes sense is if it is done in the context of other moves that improve the team (i.e., a deal for Howard). Chris Sheridan and Marca need to holler at me when they can explain why any of this makes sense.
by Stay Chisel on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I call BS
But if true, we know that rose is smarter than dwight…and wont lobby for gilbert arenas…
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I would think if this story is any bit credible,
it would have been picked up by an American newspaper.
I seriously doubt the Lakers will take Boozer for Pau Gasol in any case. They will probably insist on Joakim Noah.
Yeah, I agree. Especially since Rose has never recruited anyone, and it seems hard to believe
that he would tell a reporter that he wants Gasol. Why not go for Dwight? It would be great, but would the Lakers really trade Gasol for Boozer? I understand Gasol not really being used, but if they are going to trade him, I think they would want a pretty big package in return.
Rollin with RIP.........whenever he actually comes back.
::Puts crazy trade theory hat on::
Unless the Bulls are thinking they can send Boozer, CJ, and Asik to LA for Gasol, then send Gasol and Noah to Orland for Howard, Turkoglu, and Anderson.
::Takes crazy trade theory hat off::
I thunk it's bs even if it makes some sense for both clubs
Rose has never recruited and didn’t even recruit Lebron or Wade…or his buddy Howard. Pau is very good but not at their level.
Still with Lin playing Dantoni offense so well, we now might just have to fear the Knicks.
Lin and my Marquette boy Novak are a fun tandem, and I HATE the Knicks.
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by majoyenrac on Feb 19, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
pau and noah wirh deng rip and rose? chipzzzz
Proud Boozer hater...umm ya, fu** that guy
by Belize on Feb 19, 2012 2:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
the east is getting tougher
We need a boost in personel
by MartyMondays on Feb 19, 2012 3:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
So after that fanpost, I now really like the trade
and I especially like the:
Boozer/Brewer/Asik for Gasol/Barnes
But, I just can’t see why the Lakers would want that. Unless it facilitates a Lakers/Orlando trade involving Howard, being that Boozer and Howard are friends.
Im trying to think what a post Bulls trade Lakers package would look like. Bynum/Asik/Brewer/McRoberts for Howard/Turkoglu? The lakers take on 4 million more (29m in 25m out) but the trade works because of new trade rules.
Orlando saves 4-5 million right off the bat and gets rid of Turkoglu, has a deep frontcourt, and makes sure Howard stays out of the East, but is this enough?
The Lakers look like: Blake/Byrant/Turkoglu/Boozer/Howard.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
because Booze and Pau are playing at basically an even level
Lakers have no regard for the salary cap, boozer is bffs with Howard, pau is uncomfortable with the team, they need to shake things up, they can aquire more assets to give The magic.
by MartyMondays on Feb 19, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i live in la and as shitty as gasol may be playing
there is no one here that will want to take on boozer
LINSANITY!!
I live in LA too and they've turned on Gasol quick
Don’t think they’d care that much
by Option27 on Feb 19, 2012 7:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I never said they "wanted" Boozer
I just said they wouldnt care cause they turned on Pau quick
by Option27 on Feb 19, 2012 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i know
Im just saying i don’t think they hate him enough to the point that they’d stoop low enough for boozer. but then again this the team that shipped off odom for nothing
LINSANITY!!
I don't think we've soured on Pau really.
His struggles are more an issue of adjusting to an offense that requires a P&R point to make things work (cough) Chris Paul (cough) and thus moves him more to the high post as a distributor because of the lack of one.
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This was linked from Marca, so I automatically call BS...
Anybody who follows European soccer like I do know that Marca posts some of the most incredible bullshit out there.
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Chris Sheridan reiterates it....
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/02/19/source-derrick-rose-wants-to-play-with-pau-gasol/
If this is true, why doesn’t he say the same about Dwight? BECAUSE HE DOESN’T LIKE HIS ATTITUDE! Thanks.
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 19, 2012 6:32 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I don't think Chris Sheridan has reported one thing correctly since he started that website
And even with this he’s basically just piggybacking off whatever that other site was. So yeah, not too excited about hearing this
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
This made me chuckle
Derrick Rose has let it be known to Bulls management that we wants to play with Pau Gasol if Chicago is able to swing a trade with the Los Angeles Lakers for the veteran power forward from Spain, a source close to Rose told SheridanHoops.com on Sunday.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
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DRose is now Gollum, I see.
We wants it! We wants the Spaniard, Preciousss!
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
That might have been the dumbest thing I have ever read...although I think I can top it
Source: Rose builds time machine
Person close to Rose claims that the reigning MVP has built a time machine with the intent of recruiting 1991 MVP Michael Jordan, the source told insertwebsitehere.com yesterday. The source wanted to remain anonymous based on non-existence. This story was reported by the trib a week ago.
This doesn't sound like Rose at all
Now Tayne I can get into.
Obviously this doesn't sound like Rose BUT...
the fact that this is also reported by Chris Sheridan does make me think about this rumor a little more. I know Sheridan hasn’t really done much since he left ESPN however he also hasn’t posted random rumors and make-up trades. Also, I could somewhat believe that Rose would give the OK to management on Gasol. Its not like he is going out and asking for the trade; the rumor just says that he “gave the ok”.
maybe thats why pryzbilla hasnt' signed anywhere yet....
waiting to see if asik gets traded and bulls need a backup C
no question. rose/hamilton/deng/pau/noah....not even miami touches that
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by paddyfairview on Feb 19, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
maybe those reports that the bulls are getting frustrated with boozer are true
Gasol would be everything we hoped boozer might be
LINSANITY!!
What reports?
SIN-BANNED-ITY!!!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 19, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
The ones
he made up. Just now.
TL;DR
by metalkiwis on Feb 19, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
no Aggrey Sam said that on 670.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Feb 20, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
don't trust a word marca says
being a die hard soccer fan i can tell you marca (along with other spanish newspapers) fabricates stories beyond belief.
in spain papers generally write bullshit to help their local club…marca and AS are the real madrid papers while sport and el mundo deportivo are the barcelona papers.
considering pau is from barcelona, i would be completely surprised if marca knows any inside information.
but with that said...
fuck yeah, gimme pau.
by shutupdrogba on Feb 19, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
This is funny
because some of us were kicking this around on one of the threads last week. We were saying that the Bulls should be on the phone offering CJ, Asik, and some picks. I say it’s doable. I just wonder if Bulls management got the balls to pull off a trade like this. It’s definitely a game changer.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Well yeah it would be great for us and could help the Lakers get Dwight, if Orlando is not interested in Pau. But if not, this is a bad deal for the Lakers. Why would they downgrade from Pau to Booz for a backup center and a borderline starter PG? That is bad value.
TL;DR
probly right but the argument for it would be this:
pau’s not getting his looks in the new system, boozer’s more complimentary to bynum, their PG situation is awful and CJ’s a good shooter, and they have awful backup big man options right now. I don’t think it’s an awful trade for them, I just think Houston could do better
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by paddyfairview on Feb 19, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Let it be known...
That while I don’t want D12, I would completely be in favor of this trade as long as it involves just one of the starting 5.
Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.
by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 19, 2012 10:32 PM CST reply actions
im not sure why
but i think a howard to orlando trade is bound to happen, and somehow i see the bulls getting in the middle of it and walking away with pau ever so quietly….
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7puh6kj
Lakers do what lakers do, they pull off a huge blockbuster trade that shakes around several pieces but also means they walk away with the best player in the trade…dwight howard. They pick up boozer, another big name, in hopes that chicago fans were right that howard could cover boozers mistakes. Its certainly a win now kind of move, but boozers bound to get worse within two years… Lakers, in exchange for getting howard, also pick up some putrid contracts in both boozer and turkey glue. They get cj watson who is a pg that would work well in the kobe system. A poor mans mo williams like player….
Magic will be getting flak from the media about the trade, people will suggest all they did was get rid of a problematic situation, but they wont realize how the move helps in the long run. Magic get bynum, who may not be dwight howard, but has been playing like a top 5 center undoubtedly. Him matched with ryan anderson is a ton of offensive power, surrounded by other shooters. Magic also recieve asik, who defensively keeps the interior strong when bynum needs rest, has a small contract, and reminds them of gortat or something. They also recieve matt barnes, a nice expiring defensive wing. Van gundy might actually enjoy these new toys, but getting rid of turkey glues contract is probably their biggest gain. Obviously they probably get both a bulls and lakers future draft pick. ASSETS!!!
For the bulls, its a quiet move, but they end up getting pau gasol without really getting rid of the their beloved core. Fisher is a bulls type, professional defensive (theoretically) smart pg, who can fill in for that coach/player role when scalabrine is finally promoted to assistant the next year. Mike james will probably have to be signed (i predict this will happen) at any rate.
Many will think that the second unit is going to get worse, but the thing is with pau, unlike boozer, thibs might actually want to play him more, especially with the second unit (at center) mainly because unlike boozer, pau does put effort on both ends of the court. He helps rose because unlike boozer, pau can be counted on doing more than hit that 15 foot jumpshot (incidently, pau can also hit that 15 foot jump shot), and noah now doesnt have to play defense on his own. Its not dwight howard, but its essentially giving the bulls everything boozer was supposed to give them, with a little more defense.
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pau?
and then, presumably, sign another cheap big.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
yea
i sort of implied they should sign mike james for a full contract, but any way you cut it, come playoff time, the big is probably far more important than mike james or any backup pg.
Rose-38
rip-30
deng-38
pau-35
noah-35
jl3-5
brewer-14
korver-14
taj-20
fasenk/pryz-6
fisher-5
scal-dnp
butler-dnp
thats kinda the ideal i think…
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
too bad we didn't fucking cut lucas and kept james when we had the damn chance.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
but but
the carlton dance!
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
really isnt one unfortunately
the big man rotation would be something like this
pau/noah
taj/pau
taj/noah
noah pau
the bulls could…..NOT sign mike james, and then try to go for either pryz or fasenko, or….trade ronnie brewer for a big man…….although there really arent many good ones. Maybe you trade ronnie brewer to memphis for hamed haddadi…. but i honestly dont think its worth it nor they will.
I think essentially maybe you go ahead and say bye to mike james and just ride out with jl3 and maybe derrick fisher, mainly since in the playoffs with shorter rotations it wouldnt matter as much
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
So basically there's no backup unless we sign someone?
And the only potential signees are guys currently on the street? This makes us much worse in the playoffs where depth of size is so valuable. I haven’t done the math on all of the variations of this proposed trade, but I think this pushes us into the tax. This doesn’t sound like something that’s going to happen…
laziness on my part
i thought the trade machine showed the salary post trade…i guess it doesnt, which is dumb…..
tweaked….
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ko9qt9 Post trade to ESPN
we end up keeping cj and asik and get pau…..orlando would certainly have to get our charlotte pick though…..
orlando in the offseason ends up with
nelson/blake
j.rich/jj/brewer
brewer/clark/q.rich
anderson/big baby/orton
bynum/?
they would probably end up using the mle to sign anderson….and probably get a backup big via draft.
THe more i look at it, the more i think, man that orlando team has been poorly constructed
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by piccolomair on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, this has been my thinking from the get-go
The best opportunity for the Bulls will likely be in a three way deal
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 19, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
This works for all parties, depending on whether Orlando is willing to pull the trigger or not.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
hey thanks man
i try to make trades that would work for everyone, so im glad that at least the trade makes sense for one other team aside from the bulls. I wonder what the magic would think…tempted to post this on their blog for their remarks….although i cant see them liking any trade that has them not walking away with a ransom for howard i.e. denver when releasing melo.
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the Knicks offering the house has made a lot of fanbases shift their expectations for offloading their superstars.
One way or another, the only way this goes down is if the Bulls involve a third team, as a straight-up deal is probably too difficult to pull off.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
does LA do it if it's steve blake instead of fisher?
he makes slightly more but i’d prefer that… for obvious reasons… younger and a better shooter… ugh he does have an extra year though doesn’t he… blah. derek fisher sucks. although they both pretty much are garbage which is why the lakers are in such a need of a pg.
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i think bulls would prefer fisher
long term cheaper, and kinda brings that whole great character vibe (not that blake has a bad character vibe, but at this point, fisher is nothing more than a poster boy for professionalism or something, and i think even at this point fisher is a better defender than blake, i think the lakers would like to keep the better shooter of the two, and many of the laker fanbases want fisher gone. Plus fisher was another of those jerry buss phil jackson guys, and according lakers lore, michael buss wants to tear down those walls…so he would rather keep the younger shooter instead of the veteran savvy of fisher.
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
well yeah i mean i know why the bulls would prefer fisher
and obv the reasons i would want blake are the reasons the lakers want to keep him.
they’re both terrible defenders, and the PER differential basically shows no difference.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
nolan smith presents:
PERCEPTION
(starring john hollinger-“its a stat inside a stat inside a stat inside a stat” and keanu reeves-“whoa…”
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by piccolomair on Feb 19, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Fisher is infinitely worse than Blake.
The triangle basically lengthened Fisher’s career by allowing him to continue as a glorified two guard and he’s not even good at that anymore. He’s a crap shooter, can’t run the P&R, might be the league’s worst finisher in the paint, and is basically a terrible fit for an offense that requires a real point who can distribute. Blake isn’t great but he at least his some court vision and can make stuff happen off the pick-and-roll. The difference when he enters the game is huge.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
A player of this description is already destined to play for the Bulls next season. Would hate to see them add Fisher too
He’s a crap shooter, can’t run the P&R, might be the league’s worst finisher in the paint, and is basically a terrible fit for an offense that requires a real point who can distribute
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what are you implying.....
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by piccolomair on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Uh, just out of curiosity, who is this referring to?
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the prodigal son, Kirk Hinrich
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, I see.
I think about two years ago I thought Hinrich was the panacea for the Lakers’ point guard woes. Whoops.
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Laurence "Don't Call Me Larry" Holmes is on NBC...
… reporting Chris Sheridan’s story as though Rose definitely told the Bulls to trade for Pau. I think this is all bullshit and clowns like Larry Holmes and undoubtedly other morons on sports radio will repeat this like it’s a real story. Sports media is so annoying. When there’s nothing to write/talk about, they’ll just make something up…
From a Laker fan, there's probably no way this happens without a third team unless you throw in both Boozer and Deng.
Which needless to say, won’t happen. And that’s not what Pau’s value is, but rather the fact that downgrading from Pau to Boozer isn’t worth a few extra bench players. If you want a baseline on what Pau can get, look at what Houston was basically willing to trade for him (Dragic, Martin, Scola, and the Knicks’ first rounder) in the Paul deal.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on Feb 19, 2012 10:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't remember them offering that Knicks pick
by Option27 on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Having said that, you can easily make the argument that the Bulls offer (as mentioned) is better
Scola signed a 5 year extension last year for 47 million. His PER this year is 13.8 compared to Boozer’s 20.3. Gragic is a back up on all teams while CJ could be starting on lots of teams. Kevin Martin is the only upgrade but with Kobe already there, it’s pointless to bring him in so Asik makes much more sense of you’re losing Gasol
by Option27 on Feb 20, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the Knicks' 2012 pick was part of the package to New Orleans.
And even if Linsanity continues for the rest of the year, there’s little chance that your guys’ pick will be worse than the Knicks’ unless you’re willing to give up Charlotte’s. As for the rest, Scola is worse, true, but his final year is fully unguaranteed and the Lakers currently have $0 committed to the 2014 offseason when it’s 2010 all over again. I don’t think Watson is appreciably better than Dragic, or at least in the context in this deal. Martin actually can work because our threes with the exception of Matt Barnes are complete garbage, and it would be possible to make a rotation that gives Martin 25-30 minutes a night in a sixth man role by rotating Kobe to the three for stretches. Asik is a great piece certainly, but he would have a limited 15 minute role because Bynum is starting ahead of him and Martin would have a larger overall impact.
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Yep I'm just gonna call bullshit
No way Rose actually wants Gasol when he’s said personally to media he won’t ask for any big trades.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Wouldn't be the first guy said one thing publicly and did
something else behind the scenes.
I don't think Pau is mentally strong enough to play here
How many times has Gasol been the whipping boy of Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant since he’s been there? I don’t think Pau could handle the criticism from the media that Boozer gets. Remember Boozer was supposed to be a little more high maintenance as far his number of shots and minutes. He’s never complained about being benched and never complained about shots. Pau on the other hand has complained about not getting the ball enough especially this year since Bynum has had a run of health that’s made him the third option. Plus the triangle is no longer run which is pretty well suited to Gasol’s skill set.
They can save the world if they don't kill each other first.
by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 1:17 AM CST reply actions
pau is unfairly the whipping boy in la
and he’d be a godsend compared to boozer. he’d be loved here the moment he gets here imo.
LINSANITY!!
Have you actually taken a look at Gasol's numbers
and the impact or lack there of for the Lakers this year? He’s playing like how he was last year in the playoffs against the Mavs when he was going through the motions. Now imagine Gasol struggling against the Pacers or even worse the Heat you don’t think he’d sulk. With the fact Gasol hasn’t been the best at responding to tough love or criticism ‘dI be wary of him especially since the numbers show he isn’t the player he used to be.
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by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I'm no sure, but most of us probably wouldn't be
pouty little bitches about it, all things considered.
by Dogfishhead on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's won two Championships in LA...
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yes he did but he's not that same player right now.
They can save the world if they don't kill each other first.
by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
hes not motivated
he was traded before the season but since it was rescinded thats the only reason hes still around.
now the kupchack could do two things (neither of which he has done)
a) trade gasol again
or
b) publicly say hes not going to trade him again and apologize to gasol personally (gasol has already said that he has not talked to mitch since the trade much)
LINSANITY!!
He's still great
And I think Mike Brown is to blame for a lot of his struggles. I’m not one of the people that think it’s an automatic championship, but it’s definitely moving in the right direction. THis team needs to find a way to upgrade the talent level, and there’s no Lebron free agency solutions waiting in the wings. Now it’s gonna take some real creativity from the front office
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I think Chicago might be one of the places where Pau could go, that is still a big market, great team
where he won’t sulk, and suck, like if he went to a team like Houston or something. He might, possible, get a bit revitalized here.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 4:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
especially since Thibs would never knock him
only ask for more effort on D.
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Thats my problem with him
A guy that talented should not have to be constantly kicked in the rear end to perform up to his capabilities. Gasol has a little too much sulk and quit in him for me especially when you compare the numbers this year to Boozers.
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by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 2:26 AM CST up reply actions
How about doing his job and taking any frustrations out on the opposition.
No players or coaches have publicly said he should be traded. Even Kobe said that Laker management should make a decision but that he wanted Gasol to stay. Gasol has the right to be upset with Laker management but that shouldn’t hurt the production and effort he gives for his coaches and teammates.
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by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
where are you getting this idea that his sulking is effecting his play?
His numbers look pretty good to me. I think having Bynum as the first option in the post affects Pau more than any supposed sulking. His numbers are the same across the board except for his shooting which I think is a product of him posting less.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 20, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Pau has said the situation has affected his play
His number this year aren’t considerably better than Boozers and that’s with Gasol playing 7 more minutes a game. Gasol played terribly in the playoffs last year just like Boozer. If he comes here he becomes the first post option but that doesn’t mean more shots. Deng is still going to need to score as well as Hamilton when he gets healthy
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by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think it would mean more shots b/c Pau has an actual post game
I don’t think its a slam dunk, but I think Pau is a better fit with Rose b/c he doesn’t rely so heavily on the offense to create shots for him.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
and mike browns system
has had pau take turns with bynum in the post, with bynum being the main option mainly due to his unique size and strength, and pau has the better ability to knock down a jumper. How many here dont think we would be better with bosh instead of boozer, well offensively pau is putting up similar production per36, 2 less points, but 2 more assists While unlike both boozer and bosh, he presents real post presence.
But thats just half the story…
Across the board pau is head and shoulders above those two on defensive end when you look at the stats per36…
Pau is a huge upgrade mainly because unlike boozer who you have to consider not putting in during late game situations or during the oppositions run, pau you can keep in because if hes not producing on offense he at least will bring consistent defense, something both bosh and boozer struggle with….
to say pau isnt an upgrade over boozer is ridiculous
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by piccolomair on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Go to 82games.com and compare shot selection
The numbers don’t say that this year or last year that Gasol posts up significantly more than Boozer and that’s with Boozer missing time and playing through injuries.
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by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
you have an unmotivated gasol playing around the same level as a boozer who's playing at the best we've seen out of him
I see one player playing to his ceiling and one barely playing up to his at the moment and both are putting up similar numbers. Which one do you want? Oh and not to mention one of them has two rings.
LINSANITY!!
I agree.
Gasol would be reinvigorated in Chicago, eager to prove something, and he wouldn’t be haunted by the specter of trade rumors.
Plus, with Pau’s passing skills, you could actually run the offense a couple plays here and there through him in the post. Boozer is a good passer, too, but he doesn’t post as much as he was “supposed to.”
And Pau’s 7’0’’. Boozer is listed at 6’9", but he’s probably closer to 6’7", and he plays like he’s 6’3".
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
A "sulking" Pau, is still a lot better than most
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 4:07 AM CST up reply actions
A sulking Pau hasn't been better than Boozer this year.
They can save the world if they don't kill each other first.
by squadron supreme on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
That's something everyone keeps forgetting here
Boozer has played better this year. Do I think he’s a better player? No, but you look at the numbers … He has.
To the naked eye though, it’s obvious that Pau can fit in better if motivated
by Option27 on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe offensively he's played near his level (don't think he's been better)
but defensively he’s better by a quite a bit. There’s no doubt it’s an upgrade. I’m just not sure how big of an upgrade, and what it would be worth for us to make the move.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I saw the title and immediately went to brainstorming
The one conclusion that I could see happening is pretty close to the scenario I saw posted above. The only way this happens is if Chicago helps LA get Howard, which really wouldn’t be that bad of a situation. Let’s help ship his ass out West.
I’m on my crapberry, so I didn’t get to see all the players that were involved in the proposed trade, but I know I want no parts of Fish. Don’t know if the numbers check out but, give me something more like this:
CHI Sends: PF Boozer, SG Brewer, PG Watson, and C Asik
CHI Gets: PF Gasol, SF/SG Barnes, PG Goudelock, and 2nd rd picks from LA and ORL; C Justin Harper from Orlando
ORL Sends: C Howard, SF QRich, PF Clark, C Harper
ORL Gets: C Bynum, SF Kapono, SF Ebanks, and 1st rd picks from LA; C Asik, SG Brewer, and CHA 1st rd pick and own 1st rd pick
LA Sends: PF Gasol, C Bynum, SF Barnes, SF Kapono, PG Goudelock
LA Gets: C Howard, and SF QRich from ORL; PF Boozer and PG Watson from CHI
by Ceasaleo on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
There is also this news that Pau is letting the trade rumors affect him
So, maybe these Pau trade rumors are a more “real” thing if he is getting vibes from management that he may get traded.
i think its affecting him
cuz its not just rumors, had stern not stepped in pau WOULD have been traded, he was less of a sissy compared to odom, but at the same time im sure it affected him big time.
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Question about Gasol:
I confess I haven’t watched much Laker basketball the last year or so. I know Pau’s not a great defender, but my recollection is he doesn’t have concrete shoes and moves his feet and at least knows where his assignment is and tries his damndest to be where he’s supposed to be.
Can anyone comment on Pau’s defensive performance last season and into this year?
just as a reminder, Pau makes around $4m more than Booz would in each of the next 2 seasons
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions
also
Reminder from Thonus, Bulls couldn’t amnesty Pau whereas they can with Boozer. f-f-f-f-flexibility.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but they can win a championship with Gasol.
Oh, who am I kidding? As if that’s a concern for the Org, what with luxury tax and the White Sox payroll to worry about.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
That was a K.C. sized bucket of ice water
that you just dumped all over this thread. More like an industrial sized vat than a bucket.
if KC actually reports that the Bulls wouldn't pay the tax to acquire Gasol
that’d be…something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
The more things change, the more they stay the same, amirite?
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by Poloplaya14 on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Nice K.C. Johnson A.K.A Cold bucket of water
impersonation there. I’m impressed.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yeah, but Pau's contract is a year shorter (2 more year), and it's doubtful whether the Bulls would even
amnesty Boozer in the next two years. I could see it in the last year, but anything else seems unlikely.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
can they use stretch exemption on Gasol?
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Only can use on deals you sign under the new CBA.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Which is probably offset by the extra revenue generated by 3-4 home games
in the NBA finals……..
you want to explain that to 'dorf?
He may figure he has a possible Finals team now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I guess,
but he’d have to be retarded to think Gasol doesn’t bring this team closer to a finals berth than Booz.
However, I think the main holdup here is that the Lakers can fetch more for Gasol than Boozer. If the Rockets were to offer Scola straight up, that’d be a better offer than Booz, but they seem willing to include KMart and others; unless that deal is off the table I’d be shocked if the Bulls can outbid Houston for Gasol.
Except isn't Taj or Asik or CJ due for an extension
so by trading them, and taking on 4m extra wouldn’t it sort of equal out?
Alright I did some math.
The Tax level this year is $70.3 million.
To avoid the tax this year, the Bulls should trade Boozer/Watson/Asik/Brewer
and take back Gasol/Fisher
This trade decreases the bulls salary by 1,353,350 and leaves the Bulls about 2,150,006 under the tax line this year. With this extra dough, they sign a big to join Gibson/Gasol/Noah and wing to take some of brewer minutes.
Next year, the Bulls start at 76,330,031 in salary. First thing they do is coax Fisher in opting out of his deal and slash 3,400,000 off. Then they waive Korver and cut another 4,500,000 off the cap and they are back under 70million. Of course then you’d have to be at 12 bodies, so they’d likely be back in the tax. But the important year would be after that. I don’t think Reinsdorf can avoid the tax the next season, because even if the Bulls stand pat, they are still over the tax. What will likely happen, is the Bulls will want to avoid being a “repeater” in the luxury tax game. So in the 2013/2014 season, you’ll likely see some cost cutting moving involving a big salary player, be it Deng, Noah, Gasol (or Boozer.)
To sum it up, the regular luxury tax shouldn’t be a hindrance just yet, as the Bulls can massage the numbers this year, and save themselves one year in the repeater tax (pay the tax 4 times in 5 years)
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, so Rose is lobbying for a player?
And the Org is making it known to a few subterranean sources that it’s unhappy with Boozer?
Seems so very much unlike both parties, putting “chemistry” at risk like this.
Has Linsanity set us off into a parallel universe?
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM CST reply actions
And the Org is making it known to a few subterranean sources that it’s unhappy with Boozer?
Where did you hear that? Is this a Sin report?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I take it back.
I didn’t see that it was sin repeating Aggrey Sam.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Kobe weighs in on a Pau Gasol trade
Either trade Pau Gasol, or don’t, Bryant said. But make a decision either way and make it fast.
There is no way, in my opinion, the Lakers take on Boozer for Gasol. But if they are willing, dear god, the Bulls have to jump on it. Having a real post player (even if we don’t see it much this year) would change everything.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 20, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions
I think the Lakers will end up trading Gasol before the deadline
but if they do, I think they can certainly get more for Gasol than Boozer and Watson. For instance, if I’m Philly, I’m on the phone with LA right now.
i could see philly trading Iggy for Pau
LA needs a starting SF
by Chanel#1_Rose on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, that's another team that could make something happen
However, they’re very similar to to those Skiles’ Bulls teams where it’s debatable how much a trade would help, because you’d likely have to give up the pieces that made your team good in the first place. That team has been so good because of their stellar defense, led by Iggy. If you trade him, along with another piece for an aging center, does that really help your team? Is that the type of move you want to make for the future?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
You're absolutely right
unless they don’t think they can win with the group they have, in which case the move wouldn’t be for the future but for the purpose of winning a championship in the next few years.
With that said, I don’t want to defend my example too much because I’d rather Gasol just end up in Chicago. My point was simply that there are other teams that would presumably be very interested in landing him and likely have a better package to offer than Boozer.
How does Philly make that work though?
I suppose Brand could move to the bench and they could run a three-man rotation with Brand on the bench and Gasol switching to center to replace Hawes when Brand comes on the floor analogous to how the Lakers’ Gasol/Bynum/Odom rotation worked, but is that really worth giving up Iggy? Moreover, you have to think that the Lakers ask for more than just Iggy to plug the holes in the rest of the roster. This would make most sense if Philly was unloading Brand in the deal, but that too makes the trade implausible unless they’re willing to take back Walton’s or World Peace’s contracts.
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I'm not sure what the deal would look like
but if LA would give up Gasol for Iggy and Holiday (or Williams), the deal would provide them with an enormous upgrade at PG and a fantastic athletic wing defender, while (obviously) creating a hole at PF.
But, I wonder if a starting four of Holliday/Williams, Bryant, Iggy, and Bynum isn’t better than what LA currently has. I don’t follow the Lakers, so I’m not sure what the feeling is among fans about the extent to which LA needs to major shakeup in the roster.
Pau for Iggy/Williams or Iggy/Holiday is definitely enough of a return for L.A.
It’s much easier to fix a hole at the four than at the point. My question is more why Philly would want a deal like that.
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Again, I'm not sure if Philly would pull the trigger on it
But, they have enough depth at PG and SF (Young and Turner) to somewhat replace what they’re giving up. Plus, a Gasol/Brand/Hawes front court is a pretty nice component to an already solid defensive team, and would probably present a serious challenge for most of the teams in the East – including Miami and Chicago.
Yeah, I can see it if they think that trading Iggy gives Turner and Young a larger role.
And that it makes up for Iggy’s loss. Still a dicey scenario for Philly to go into though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Also, here's my Bill Simmons fake trade scenario...
Gasol for Bosh straight up – which team says no first?
Well if not Booze then why not Asik?
Does that work somehow? I think it’s doable if the Bulls really want to get this done. Maybe even throw in some picks
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
The Bulls are most likely going to do what they usually do.
Nothing at all.
by Doc Heff on Feb 20, 2012 10:44 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
"If you think about it, getting Rip and Rose back to full strength is like scoring a big trade ...
… without having to give anything up."
/Org’d
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing at all!
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
not KC, but the Sun-Times beat guy is bringing the cold water
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bulls/2012/02/sheridan_report_out_of_left_fi.html
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 20, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions
Shocking
A deal that made no sense reported by a rumor-generating foreign paper and a guy trying to generate hits for his new website isn’t happening? I’m so surprised. The sources were rock-solid on this one…
by Stay Chisel on Feb 20, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha!
Rec’d
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Neil Hayes didn't link to the report on Sheridan's site...
But that link was in one of Zach Lowe’s posts. And that link is now dead.
Sheridan has pretty good sources, so if one confirmed, I think it’s safe to assume a more worthy one countered the claim.
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This might work:
Bulls: Gasol.
Lakers: Howard, Turkey Glue.
Magics: Bynum, Boozer, Barnes, Watson
Why wouldn't the Magic just take Pau??
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 20, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Turkey Glue
I’m thinking the Magics would like to dump him and get bigs and pieces back.
Wouldn’t you refuse to trade Howard for Pau straight up, from a Magics perspective?
No, he's asking why Orlando doesn't take Bynum AND Gasol if the Lakers are willing to trade both for Howard.
Which they’re not, FWIW.
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I don't care if Derrick wants this or not.
If Gar doesn’t look into this, he’s an idiot.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
Chris Sheridan, really?
This post took a turn to the worthless when Chris Sheridan was posted as a source or knowledgeable analyst. Some samples of Chris Sheridan’s previous brilliance:
- The Bulls would be fools not to draft Michael Beasley with the 1st pick since they are in desperate need of inside scoring.
- LeBron would be foolish to choose Chicago over New York based on chances to win since the Knicks roster is very underrated, especially Tony Douglas who has upside of being a star and draws favorable comparisons to Derrick Rose. .
by Carcando on Feb 21, 2012 2:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Beasley......
he’s on the bench now in Minnesota and they have a log-jam at the 3-4 spot. If the Bulls do have to include Deng in a deal for Dwight, they can possibly pick up Beasley on the cheap. Yeah, he’s a knucklehead and he’s not the defender Deng is, but as a third option behind Dwight and Rose he can be really nice.
Or….they can trade for him even if they go after Pau and slide in B-Easy at the 2. A lot of people don’t like Beasley but I think in the right spot he can be a hell of a player, maybe make a Z-Bo style transformation.
How many times have the 1-2 picks in the same draft ended up on the same team?
Shaq and Zo on the Heat comes to mind, but who else?
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Good question.
I really have no idea. Hell of a trivia question.
How about 1-2-3 on the same team? The 2004-2005 Heat also had #3 pick Christian Laettner
by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mind. Blown.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 21, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
neither of those examples have anything to do with his reporting
though I don’t remember him being that great in that department either
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think this has been suggested yet, so I'll post it here
another trade idea that lands us Gasol:
Bulls get: Pau Gasol, Matt Barnes
Hawks get: Ronnie Brewer, Steve Blake, Jimmy Butler
Lakers get: Carlos Boozer, Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams
Why the Bulls do it: duh
Why the Hawks do it: Their record has been 6-8 since Hinrich came back (13-5 before), he’s having his worst season as a pro (7 PER) and so is Williams (9.3 ppg is lowest since rookie year I think). Brewer, Butler and Blake fit a lot of what they try to do on offense while adding some defensive toughness that they lack at times.
Why the Lakers do it: They get their PG in Hinrich — he’s a perfect fit for Mike Brown’s system. They get their SF in Williams — also a Mike Brown type of player. I think both of these guys get rejuvenated playing in L.A. and help the Lakers a ton. Boozer’s a good offensive PF who fits well next to Bynum and is a reasonable downgrade from Pau in order to shore up their PG and wing deficiencies.
What does everyone think?
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 21, 2012 12:57 PM CST reply actions
so...
no thoughts on this? no one’s going to pop in to tell me this is the dumbest trade idea ever? this is BaB after all…
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 21, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know there was such a thing as a Mike Brown type of player
Also, I think what I said below, that the only “Why” that matters is that the Lakers appear to be run by an idiot.
well seeing as he's a defensive coach who runs an iso-based offense
it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out the types of players he likes and has traditionally given minutes to.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 21, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Lebron James and Anderson Varejao?
I’m not sure how Hinrich compares to either of them.
Anthony Parker, Delonte West, Daniel Gibson, Mo Williams
Hinrich and Marvin Williams fit right in with those guys
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 24, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
For all the cold water being tossed around
that this is impossible to imagine or that Chris Sheridan is an idiot, I have one question…Has Rose denied it?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
all i recall seeing was a line from kc:
Rose didn’t privately ask management to trade for Pau Gasol, as two media outlets reported.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Sheridan responded, pretty smarm-ily
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/02/21/gasol-trade-update-hell-stay-on-the-block/
Actually, that is not what I reported.
The key word in that sentence is "told."
In my report, I did not claim that Rose told anybody anything. I said he had "let it be known."
It is semantics, but semantics are important in a story of this magnitude.
If someone were to ask Rose whether he "told" that to Bulls management, he could be completely truthful in saying "no."
But if someone asked Rose whether he had made his thoughts on Gasol known through an intermediary, it would be interesting to hear his exact answer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly my point
It’s something about this story that seems different then the usual speculation that guys like Broussard throw around. I’m going to ride with Sheridan on this one. With caution, but I’m curious to see where Gasol ends up and I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s here
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Hmm...
I know KC makes his living knocking trade ideas and stories like this but this is the first time I’ve seen Rose’s name attached to any kind of trade . Especially a trade that actually seems doable. Plus we never heard a peep or slightest bit of innuendo during the summer of Lebron. But you throw in Kobe’s tirade the other night and I just wonder…
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Why is this a "doable" trade?
Why do the Lakers take Boozer? This makes no sense.
they can spin this into a marketable ploy + they get back a top 20 PF
Proud Boozer hater...umm ya, fu** that guy
Top 20 PF?
What’s there to sell in getting a top 20 power forward? Shit….Taj might be a top 20 PF.
Top 20 for sure
Top 15 maybe.
Boozer is very good folks. Not great, but very good:
No order
1) DIrk Nowitzki
2) LaMarcus Aldridge
3) Pau Gasol (when he’s a 4, he can play 5)
4) Amare Stoudemire
5) Greg Monroe
6) Chris Bosh
7) Josh Smith (at least talent wise, but not always game wise since he’s an idiot, but when he’s got it going he’s here and he should have been their alls tar this year)
8) Kevin Love (I said no order, just list)
9) Blake Griffin
10) Tim Duncan still when he plays and when he’s a PF
11) Zach Randolph if he comes back not hurt.
Those 11 are the clear I’d say better than Boozer’s.
Boozer is favorable and in discussion wiht Paul Millsap, modern Garnett (I’d take Boozer), Kris Humphries (getting better all the time), David Lee (if you think Boozer’s bad defensively look at Lee).
I don’t know if I’d take him 12th-I MIGHT, but Boozer’s clearly a top 15 PF. And who knows what will come of ZBO post injury….plus he’s out this year.
I think Boozer’s one of the more underrated players now, and it’s kind of crap the way we’ve turned on him. I’m not sold that he’s not our second best player. Deng is more of a 2 way player but not as dynamic on the scoring end as Boozer, Noah can clearly be that #2 man many nights, but disappear in others, while Boozer’s as consistent as he can be, and his numbers tend to be off in nights we don’t use him….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Folks forget too that when the Lakers got Pau
Many were saying he was garbage (save for Chicago because we were talking). They said he couldn’t do anything and was just an ok player on a very bad team.
He had a huge rep but then got hurt in the Olympics, missed the start through maybe late Jan of that next year and his team went something like 4-28 without him and suddenly the media blamed Gasol and he was garbage.
I think Bulls fans are taking this Boozer thing out of proportion. Sure he’s not a 2 way player, never was. But what he is, is one of the best O players on that list (I’d take Dirk, Amare, Kevin Love, ZBO clearly above him on the O end), I’d take Pau and Griffin above him when you add the O intangibles like passing/titles for Pau and Griffin’s crazy athleticism.
The only reason I take Bosh ahead of him is that Bosh is a better defender and has been more an O presence, but they are eerily similar on that end.
The others are above because they are more 2-way.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
great post..i honestly think he's a top 15..and id take him over KG (probably)
Boozer would be a great 3-4th option on this team..but the rub is that we signed him to be a #2 option. I knew his D sucked, so honestly when he plays the way he does I’m like whatever; but the whole " he is one of the best O players" is so skewed to me because he only out plays plays smaller and weaker 4/5’s…and that wont cut it come playoff time. He should be dunking on bosh-type of players or atleast be more smooth with his post play/layups. He’s not. He’s clearly past his prime and that’s the most painful part as a fan b/c we paid so much. That’s really my grip with him. I feel as conned as Cleveland did when booz went for the money with utah.
Seriously, I went and bought in this hype:
HE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE OUR RED HULK!!!!!
:(
Proud Boozer hater...umm ya, fu** that guy
Technically he is a #2 option
He’s not making the $18-19M a year that a upper echelon #2 option is making in Gasol (and for all intents Chris Bosh), he wasn’t maxed out like Amar’e etc for a reason. He’s a top 40-50 player in the legaue, and with his experience, paid adequately.
I think we as Bulls fans expected him to be the Feb 2010 NBA player of the month level Boozer that he was then, but he’s really not too far off of that, and is basically the same player in Chicago than he was.
Sure he shoots more jump shots as part of the system he’s in,
Sure he gets less touches on less minutes (because of Taj and the system he’s in),
But his performance is about the same.
He’s only a #3 option possibly because we are odd in that we have the unusual thing of having 3 guys in that 35-50 best players in the leauge (Deng, Noah, Boozer), Boozer could be #2 on our team some nights, and #4 on others.
He’s good, and we’re having another great reg season with him.
He was hurt to start last year and hurt again in th eplayoffs, and I think that’s why folks want to think he’s bad.
He isn’t bad, and really his contract isn’t far off his produciton by any means. Folks like to get an underpaid cheap guy in a deal, Boozer’s probably paid what he’s worth in the marketplace….
i THINK the knack that he can’t play against the upper echelon type is off too. I think he struggles against the all hustle 100% of the time (Hansborough or Humphries—both of which Boozer’s better but he tends to have off nights against) or uber athletic players (Griffin), but the others he’s fine against. i KNOW Bosh had that one huge game in the playoffs against us, but I think that was more about Thibs trying to have Bosh beat us and focus on icing out Wade and Lebron, and that Game Bosh took off.
I mean as much crap as Boozer got for playing hurt in the playoffs last year, he was still a waht +8 or +9 on the court for the Miami-Bulls series….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I just think...
That the defense of Boozer by different people is always framed wrong. It’s always about the victimization of the guy. As if people just love throwing stones at Boozer. Then it’s always about the arbitrary stats. It’s as if people who criticize him aren’t given enough credit for watching and knowing the game.
Whether he’s the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option, does that really matter? If he was as good as he needs to be, you wouldn’t care about “options.” No it’s about how he meshes with this team. I honestly can’t think of one game outside of the Boston game where I said “Damn without that effort from Boozer we would have lost”
It’s not about just his production, it’s about his effort and how it translates on this team. I’m sensitive to that because every year with Rose in his prime is critical and we don’t have the luxury of having a PF not being able to play well against our toughest competition.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand though
Why Boozer, who routinely puts up plus games, averaging 19-10 per 36 minutes, shooting 55.2% TS%, gets a knack for every single off game he has (whcih really he has more plus than off games), but if JoNo looks at his paycheck, or Deng has an off game they get the pass.
Luol, Boozer and Noah are all basically at hte same level of player. Sure Boozer makes the most money of the 3, but it’s not materially more, and he does have the most deep playoff run positions and was the one of those 3 assets we didn’t draft in house.
Boozer is good, is he perfect for us? No, but then again neither are Deng or Noah (I like Noah the most).
I’m fine trading any of those 3 for the right piece, if I had to pick, typically I’d keep Noah most, then Boozer, then Deng, but I am fine either way, and given that Howard is up for the taking, I’d trade Deng and Noah to get him and keep Boozer, if Gasol was up, I’d trade Boozer and Deng to get him….
Deng is having the best season of the 3, he’s the guy I’d list maybe arbitrarily as my 35 in the 3 guys in the top 35-50 range leveling, but I don’t see anything that says Boozer or Noah couldn’t be higher than him, and Boozer’s perhaps in many ways our most important #2 man because he’s the guy that can give us the scoring we desperately can lack sans Rose.
All 3 of those guys are getable, we’re in a weird spot in that we don’t have one of those upper echelon #2’s. I think in a normal year we’d be the favorites, but Miami has 2 absolute #1’s, and a #2 man playing a #3 role, and nice role players around those 3…..
I think we need more, so we have to think about making the right deal, and adding a second #1 man (Howard, or a really good #2 man in Gasol and keeping a top 35-50 player as our #3 with our depth is the ticket to beating Miami.
Boozer is technically a #2 guy (he’s a top 50 maybe 40 player, and there are 30 teams, but he’s not upper tier #2…
I see title teams save for maybe Dallas and maybe Detroit as having 1 #1, one other top 20 player, and role players….
We have 1 top #1 player, and 3 top 35-50 players:
2011 Dallas won by having only Dirk (top 5 player last year), and a bunch of top 75 players (odd to win, but every position they had a better than average fill in, Chandler may have been their #2, and he is probably top 50).
2010 -2009 Lakers (Kobe top 5, Gasol top 10-20)
2008 Boston (Garnett top 15, Pierce top 15, Allen then top 30 maybe)
2007 Spurs (Duncan top 5, Ginobili top 20, Parker top 25 but in the finals Parker was on fire)
2006 Miami Heat (Wade top 1 :) especially in the finals, Shaq top 25 still, even if he was a shell of himself).
2005 Pistons (Sheed top 20, Wallace top 25, Billups top 25, Hamilton top 40). No clear top 10 player, but a bunch of upper tier players.
We don’t have that save for Rose, we are more like the Mavs were, except that while we’re deep, we don’t have the old wiry vets like Kidd, Matrix, EVEN Peja, passed their glory but able for those key moments to find a game or quarter to shine when they needed it)….Dallas is an odd title threat, typically they’re a very good team that just doesn’t have enough (they were stronger in the Avery Johnson days), though oddly enough I think they’r coming on again now.
I think Rose is better than Dirk as an individual player, but Dirk’s game given his height, shooting prowess, and experience may give him the edge in the coming down the wire finals experience to make it work.
In a typical year, we’d be lock favorites, but Miami is a very unusual team, I mean even the Bulls in the 90’s didn’t have a 3rd player quite to Bosh’s Level (we did have a Lebron (Michael) and a Scottie (Wade)—though Wade’s game is more Michael and Lebron’s like a Scottie on roids…. But as good as Rodman or Grant or Cartwright or Armstrong or Pax, etc were they weren’t at Bosh’s level. And while Miami didn’t and doesn’t quite have the depth of those Bulls teams, they’re getting closer and have more front line talent.
We need a move I’d say to pull from the “good and a serious threat” to favorites. I’d rather be favorites….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Boozer is good, is he perfect for us? No, but then again neither are Deng or Noah (I like Noah the most).
^
dude deng & noah are both perfect fits for rose’s game
Proud Boozer hater...umm ya, fu** that guy
If Deng or Noah were perfect fits we'd not need anything more
Deng’s a good fit for Thibs system, he’s not a few years ago Pierce which was a better fit, or a few years ago TMAC which was a sensational fit, but he’s good. He’s good for any system.
Noah’s unique, he’s not a bad fit next to Rose, because he’s a unique talent, but he’s not the best (a tried and true back to the basket big is best, or a power power C with some mid range game to keep a post man honest and be able to bring his man out when need be or stay in for a pass when need be).
Noah’s the best fit in Thibs system.
Deng’s good everywhere because he’s not bad in any one area (he’s not great in any one area either, but is a solid player because he’s good at everything).
Meanwhile, Boozer is not a bad fit in Thibs system either, his O is a big piece of what we do, he moves the ball around, he stays in the mid range spots often and because he’s respected brings a man with him that opens the lanes for Rose. His D is not as good for Thibs system….but he’s not perfect either.
Gasol is a better fit than any we have for Thibs because Gasol has the 2 way game we like in say a Deng, but is a better passer than Deng, and has the size of a Noah, and has the passing/better passing than Boozer.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I would argue that Deng is basically the perfect SF for Thibs and Rose
If he could shoot just a little bit better he would be
keep in mind that
he’s at a career low in FG% right now. his 3P shooting is the only thing keeping his efficiency stats being so as well. so unless he continues like this forever, he should bounce back..
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Sigh...
No one has “turned” on Boozer. And no one can seriously say that he isn’t a top 15 PF in the league. I can only speak for myself but no one is hating for the sake of hating on Boozer. At least for me, it’s always been about the fit. How he fits with what Thibs wants to do and how much closer are we to a championship with him.
To me it was obvious early on last season when he got back that he wasn’t the best fit for this team…even while playing well. If Rose has to stop what’s he doing to run mostly PnP for this guy to be effective and get his numbers then screw it. Le t him go to a team like the Lakers where he may be a better fit playing off of Bynum and Kobe. But here, we need someone who can play to his height, actually want to block a shot or two, and can still get some easy buckets. That’s Gasol.
Boozer is still a good player but I don’t think he’s enough to beat the Heat with and win a title. I just don’t think he’s the proper fit. Never have.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not against not trading Boozer
I think Boozer for Gasol is a great fit for our team (as both Gasol is a better all around player).
I guess I’m just tried of the Boozer hate, there’s this kind of underhanded view that Boozer is not any good, or a total waste of money and he isn’t.
I think Boozer could fit well in Thibs system, it just depends who he plays next to (if it’s Howard, we keep him and sadly trade Noah and Deng), if it’s Gasol, we keep Noah at all costs….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Taj...no
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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
You don't think there are 10 teams that he can start for?
There’s a lot of shit in this league, if you haven’t noticed…
Well you can sell the point that in Boozer
you get a 2 time all-star that excelled in the run and gun West. The Lakers problem is that they can’t score and to get out the West they need more offensive firepower. Offering them a PG who can fill it up and a PF that can score for them alongside Bynum or Howard may be something that can be sold.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
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said last night in his post-game show that Derrick disappeared after the game before any reporters got to him, so I don’t know if he even had a chance to deny it.
there was speculation that's WHY he left
KC said today that it was just because he felt bad about missing free throws. I don’t even know who to roll my eyes at with that one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
KC thought people would buy that?
He’s missed FAR bigger free throws and still stuck around to talk.
I don’t know where everyone else is as far as what they think of KC, but I don’t listen to anything he says outside of who’s in and out for each game.
It's probably just a coincidence
but the confluence of the Gasol rumor breaking, CJ out (migraine), Asik not playing >1 minute, Rose ducking out without speaking to reporters, and KC with the completely bogus reason (above) is certainly worthy of an eye brow raise.
I’m sure they’re not related and there are perfectly good reasons for each, but it’s still a little weird.
As best I can tell, the Lakers would be complete idiots to trade Gasol, unless, I guess, they're getting Howard.
Even then, it seems to me a deal with Orlando would make more sense centered around Bynum (for both teams).
I guess the upside from this for Bulls fans is that with clowns like that running the show in LA, we might as well dream big and maybe we really could take them to the cleaners and get Gasol.
by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2012 3:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
clowns make the world go 'round
heck, you can thank Otis Smith for setting things in motion too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
This thread should be locked until someone can explain...
…why the Lakers would take Boozer. I know that variations of 3 way deals work in the Trade Machine, but who cares? None of these deals make sense for LA.
pretty sure I explained why the Lakers would do the trade I mentioned above
so you could explain why you think it doesn’t makes sense for L.A. if you want
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 21, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
OK
Yours makes the most sense of what I’ve seen but still seems off since Hinrich appears to have little left in the tank and is, at best, only a slight upgrade over Blake. Obviously Hinrich has had some issues this season, but his numbers are abysmal across the board. Marvin Williams would likely be an upgrade over Artest. Big issue here is the dropoff from Gasol to Boozer. You look at the season stats and it looks pretty even, but in truth Gasol is superior both offensively and defensively to Boozer. LAL gets worse at PF, about the same at PG and slightly-to-legitimately better at SF (assuming Williams comes back from his bad season). The Lakers do not seem to get better in this trade.
the reason i figure lakers would take boozer
is mainly because it allows them to also have howard. Orlando requires assets that lakers really cant offer. The fanbase and perhaps the oganization isnt sold on the oft injured bynum, and pau’s age is terrible for a team that will inevitably rebuilding once howard leaves. What the magic want is cap relief and future assets. The new jersey destination worked in many ways because they could give the picks, the cap relief and because they had a chance of just out right signing howard, so the magic would have gotten a deal done so they dont lose howard for anything.
So the reason the lakers take boozer becomes two fold. On the one hand, boozer has (by the numbers) produced just as much as pau has offensively, he gives you that jump shooting, pick and roll ability that might work well with howards strength. After all, even bulls fans are convinced that having howard would make boozer a better fit on the court since he dominates the aspects boozer doesnt and vice versa.
The other fold is that the lakers will need chicago and some of its assets to appease orlando and iron out some weaknesses in the lakers roster. The charlotte pick, a future pick of the bulls, this years lakers pick, and two years later another lakers pick, while lakers also absorb hedo and a new big man who may or may not work (and is on a two year contract) in bynum might wet orlando’s appetite. And for lakers, its not just short term, its a long term picture, having howard keep that team relevent long after kobe is done.
And that is why the lakers take boozer.
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by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
The Lakers could give huge cap relief on their own if they were so inclined
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7b39vjc for example.
The Magic trade away $38M with of 2012 salary and only get back $23M. Plus, they save a ton on Hedo’s deal being off their books in future years.
For them to rebuild, that’s an incredibly good deal. They come out of it with Bynum and cap space to rebuild as well. They’d probably unload JRich for a pick or something along those lines as well, then be in even better shape.
sure thats a total cap dump
but it makes the magic so much worse, they have no pg other than duhon, they still have to pay ryan anderson, they still arent going to get any real good picks. For a rebuilding team thats just giving them cap relief for an offseason that really doesnt have a very good free agency class, and the good free agents would flock elsewhere where they could win….Involving chicago and taking on boozer allows the lakers to also chip in the charlotte pick plus future picks from the bulls as well as offer similar cap relief to the magic.
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by piccolomair on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my. Think of the possibilites.
Rose, Pau, And Dwight and possibly Deng! It’s possible.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 21, 2012 9:27 PM CST reply actions
How's that possible?
It’s either….
Deng/Pau/Noah/Rip/Rose or Brewer/Boozer/Dwight/Rip/Rose
Can’t go wrong with either one. But I prefer the latter.
If people here claim all we have to give up
for Pau is Cj and Boozer, maybe one more player, that would leave us with Noah, Deng, Asik, Brewer, to trade for Howard. And of course draft picks.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 22, 2012 2:28 AM CST up reply actions
How does that leave us with Deng, though?
Not saying I wouldn’t do it, because I most definitely would, but you said “…and possibly Deng.” No way We get Howard for Noah, Asik and Brew.
Maybe we could sell that John Lucas
is the next Jeremy Lin
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 22, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ooh ooh!
Rose, Pau, Dwight, Deng, and Jordan!!!!!! OMG!
SIN-BANNED-ITY!!!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 22, 2012 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't understand how they will distribute the ball
on that team lol
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
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