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Friday notes: Practice progress, Watson's struggles, Rose's heaves

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The Bulls practiced on Friday, Rose participated a bit, Rip Hamilton even a smaller bit. Again, we can't believe Thibs, or Rose himself, on this stuff. And if that's frustrating to me, imagine how our poor beat writers feel, resorting to 'hunches' as to when Rose or Rip will play. You heard it there first. -yfbb

Is the condensed schedule getting to C.J. Watson?

He's shooting 25.7% from the field (19-for-74, .338 eFG%) with only ten free throw attempts (6-for-10, 60%) and 17 shots at the rim (hitting only six, 35.3%) over the last five games. He's hit seven of his last 15 3s, but throughout Watson's career, he's had such a higher quantity of FTAs than shots at the rim because his agility makes him so difficult to defend when he penetrates.

Compare to shooting a .525 eFG% in his first 17 games and current season rates of 2.1 FTAs per game to 1.6 shots at the rim. Sure, he's still averaging two FTAs over these five games, but twice as many shots per game at the rim in 150% of the minutes should get him to the line more, thereby raising his efficiency.

Star-divide

With more minutes and the four starts over this span, the numbers were obviously going to fluctuate. Against bench units, Watson obviously exploits weaker help than against starters. But he has the skills and approach to the game very capable of effectively penetrating through and using the perimeter to move opposing defenses.

He's best when he's switching gears, as opposed to erratic on full-blast and looks lost at a slower pace. He almost needs to switch gears from possession-to-possessions to seek out ways to exploit opposing defenses, and that first step isn't coming very quick over the last week, allowing defenses to attack him.

His early-season injury had nothing to do with the lower body, and there's no question he can still shoot. But to irritate defenses and be effective, his attack needs more quickness. Being at home and not having to fly around the country should get his lower body strength back to normal fast. Hopefully, that's the only problem.

He's still having on pace for very impressive career highs in points per 36 minutes (16.6), three-point percentage (46%), usage rate (23.6%), assist rate (29.1%), and player efficiency rating (17.4). His approach to the game is better then it's ever been this season -- moving his long-2 shots past the 3-point line, hitting a higher rate of 3s, and assisting at a higher rate than ever since joining the Bulls, as a pleasant surprise to backing up Derrick Rose.

  • Rose's .310 3P% jumps up to .333 this season when all shots over 35 feet are eliminated. Last season's jumps from .332 to .351. You're welcome, comment section. Maybe a new stat called "True Three-Point Percentage", abbreviated to T3P%, ought to be developed. but I'm still with Ethan Sherwood's Strauss' suggestion that half-to-fullcourt buzzer-beater misses should be treated in the data as we do missed shots that send the shooter to the foul line: only count the makes. [I can't find it now, but earlier in the season Sam Smith speculated this modification would raise Rose's 3pt% 10 percentage points, ha -yfbb]
  • Lucas identifies with the underdogs like Jeremy Lin. Sure, there's no Lucasanity to match the Linsanity and Lin is the more promising player, but guys like Lucas and Lin land year-long spots on a roster and they've finally proven something of themselves that other front offices, coaches, and scouting staffs didn't recognize. He says he followed Lin at Harvard because of Coach Tommy Amaker, described why Lin is able to utilize his skill set in the Knicks system, and added some encouraging words in an interview with Aggrey Sam.
  • Mike James has assisted 55.9% of the Bulls' baskets in his 43 minutes played. There wasn't much question that James could get a bucket here and there, but at 36-years-old, there was a lot of risk to him being flat awful. And he's just another point guard over-performing expectations in the Tom Thibodeau System. Credit Gar Forman for this pick-up and Thibs for making this pick-up work to aided in a couple of wins -- on when Rose and Watson were injured; and Thursday when Rose was out and the Celtics gave Watson and Lucas problems. His pick n' roll play has been fun to watch. It shows a high basketball I.Q. along with proving there's enough left in the tank to produce in doses.
  • We still need Game Previews, starting tomorrow! -yfbb

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Wow

I must say, Mike James Bitch has certainly made a good first impression and did Boozer actually have a good game from start to finish?? Yes I do think CJ has been struggling due mostly in part by the packed scheduling (who wouldn’t be??). I think Thibs has got to be patient with some of these guys.

by BullsFan22 on Feb 17, 2012 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Ya know, the more Boozer keeps playing like he did last night

the more that Boozer-Pau trade fanshot doesn’t sound so ridiculous.

If Pau really is butthurt in LA because of the trade talk, and the Lakers decide to move him, and want players that help them NOW, they could do a lot worse than the Bulls as far as trade partners go. Throw them Boozer, Asik, and one of our guards. Idk, I still doubt it’s ever even considered by LA, but I don’’t think it’s a ridiculous idea. After all, this is the same teams that basically gifted the Mavericks Lamar Odom less than a year after they embarrassed them in the playoffs.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

Well, it's not so much about Asik, it's about the entire package

and the fact that, apparently, Pau want’s out (or at least closure)

Boozer gives you a comparable replacement, while you can add some solid depth, and also improve your backcourt. If anything it’s a way to shake things up a bit if the Lakers aren’t liking the way this season’s going. They have to do something.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

No no please no

Fuck…Too late

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 17, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

works like rock paper scissors to me

we can beat the knicks
the knicks can beat the heat
the heat can beat us

i think the knicks have much better matchups for the heat simply for the fact that melo can cancel out lebron and be the one player to work lebron on both ends of the floor (not saying melo can guard lebron but he can light him up and force lebron to play tough d AND still play offense) plus you have amare jlin and jr smith to counter bosh/wade. id say knicks havve the firepower. miami loves to run and if they try to run against the knicks that could help the knicks alot.

i dont see us losing to the knicks unless they shoot 90% every game from 3 point land. and i also dont see us beating miami. playing the slow pace game miami loves just plays to their advantage of being able to triple team rose and im sorry rip is not the answer to our problems from last year. plus lebron in the post is just destroying teams

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Aww come on, where's the consistency?

I thought you said the knicks would be the champs?

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Did the Lin make the sin…Rational?!?!?! Fucking Mayans!!!

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 18, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

so basically if the knicks don't get us i think they can beat the other 7 teams

Just like i think we’d win the title if we didn’t have to play Miami.
the only team i think is clearly better than everyone else is Miami and i just think the knicks matchup better against them

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 18, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

WEAK.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You backpeddler

You disgust me even more than usual. Go to the corner

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 18, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions  

i think the bulls have a betetr chance beating the heat this yr

i think rip will make a bigger difference than what you think.

by Geo4MVP on Feb 17, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

No way Los Angeles trades Pau for a Boozer package.

Booz is inconsistent, plays almost no D and more importantly has rapidly declining athleticism with 3.5 more years left on his deal. The last thing is the most important factor, even if Pau is unhappy, why would LAL take on an Booz with so much money left on his deal when they can make a deal with Houston similar to the one they made in the 3-way Chris Paul deal that fell through?

by dakoose on Feb 17, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a good point

I knew there was some other teams, but I forgot about Houston. Even though I think Boozer is better than Scola, the 3 remaining years on Boozer’s contract will be the biggest hindrance in this type of deal. Plus they can sweeten the pot with a Kyle Lowery or something.

For Houston though, I’m not sure what that does for them. Why the he;; would they want to rebuild the team around Pau? Sounds like NBA hell to me.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

*hell

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus if the Lakers trade Pau

It’s either gonna be for Da-wight or an actual PG

by KCinIL on Feb 17, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

CJ!!!

"We got to win. Win no matter what. Trip, kick somebody, fight, bite. Whatever. Win." - Derrick Rose

by Trey23 on Feb 17, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Monday's for presidents day

And the other I think it’s cuz the Blackhawks play early the next day, could be wrong

by KCinIL on Feb 17, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, that makes sense. Thanks

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

For the fuck of it, I'd like to point out that the main difference between Westbrook and Rose

is that Westbrook LOOKS for his shot first most of the time. Even his assists come off of thwarted drives to the hoop. Whereas Rose almost always tries to run the offense FIRST (unless he has it going, or we’re in dire need of scoring), then if the set we ran doesn’t work, the ball goes to him to bail us out in the remaining seconds.

I bring this up now only because I can’t stand Westbrook, and to acknowledge that what Rose does is much more difficult, and beneficial for the team.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

Considering

That WestFuckUp has fucking Durant on his team, makes him look worse

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 17, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i tried arguing this with Rose haters or Heat/Knicks fans (obviosuly they clearly loathe the bulls)

But they would always bring up Rose shot attempts, FG percentage, and how Rose played in the heat/bulls ECF. Stubborn idiots, hehe.

by Geo4MVP on Feb 17, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to say that Westbrook isn't damn good, because he really is pretty spectacular

but I sincerely don’t think he’s a point guard

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly, my point

they believe rose plays like a sg and thus, he is comparable to westbrook. Westbrook would actually work well with a pg like Rubio. He needs to be the man of his own team because its obvious him and Durant have conflicting interests. The thunder will never win a championship unless they get an inside scorer or they get a real pg.

by Geo4MVP on Feb 17, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he is either.

He is good as you say, and I think I don’t pay as much attention to him lately just because I enjoyed him being bi-polar during games as it took away from Rose being derided at times last year for not being a true point guard either. Westbrook is what he is like Rose is unique. I don’t know if it was fair of me to laugh at his failures as much as I enjoyed doing.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahem

This is Westfuckup we’re talking about. He’ll fuck that up

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 17, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it.

If Kevin freaking Durant can’t get the ball from him during long stretches, I doubt another guard would. I mean on the court wise, Rose doesn’t seem to have much of an ego about ball distribution.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Feb 17, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Rose isn't a traditional pg either

but you can see that that is what is trying to be. Whereas with Westbrook, I don’t think that’s the case

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

dont you think it was before this year though?

his approach to the game looks very different to me now than before. i dont know if its because harden is getting more minutes and durant has really upped his playmaking, but i agree, westbrook isnt even trying to run an offense anymore.

"A household is a business given over to caring for small, temporarily insane people, a business subject to cash-flow problems, endless legal harassments, run by people who expect to have sex with each other, who occupy the same space, and who go nuts when either party has sex with anyone else. Once in marriage, a lot of people try to get out as fast as religious tradition, poverty, or devotion to children permits.""

by TheMoon on Feb 18, 2012 2:59 AM CST up reply actions  

How about this for a topic: Is Scott Skiles a terrible coach?

I’ve always appreciated his candor, but with this latest Stephen Jackson nonsense, on top of countless other feuds with his players, it appears to me like he is completely unable to adapt his system to suit the talents of his roster. Also, it I get the impression that his ego is way too big to handle today’s athletes.

You don’t have to be the players’ bitch (shit, just look at Thibs), but I don’t think you can handle things the way he does either. I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable basketball fan, and if I ran a team, there’s no chance I hire that guy. He’s got good leadership qualities, and knows defense, but I think he’s painfully inept in a lot of key areas.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 PM CST reply actions  

Skiles is mostly a blunt instrument to me.

I don’t see him ever dealing well with hotheads and that is part of his job. terrible…or just only suited to coaching very young teams without hothead superstars is to me just a matter of semantics. There’s few teams he could coach effectively over a season.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Feb 17, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

He's like Thibs

But with ZERO patience. Thibs wants D but is leinient on the offense. Skiles wants EVERYTHING his way

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 17, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

he also has no problem throwing his players to the wolves in the media

which thibs doesn’t do.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 17, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said. It's like he needs perfect Skiles' robots

People Like Mbah a Moute are praised, while talented guys are nitpicked.

As much as I thought Vinny was the worst, I’d much rather Derrick started his career with Vinny than a complete control freak like Skiles.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 17, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, Mbah a Moute just got benched in favor of Ersan Illysova

so Skiles does care about production to some degree. I also think that Stephen Jackson played himself out of a featured role. I will admit that there’s no logic to many of Skiles’ roster moves, though. You don’t want to give him a roster full of guys with near equal talent or he’ll just swap them in and out, screwing everybody up in the process. What I like about Thibs is that the bench may get a ton of minutes if they’re outplaying the starters in a particular game, but the next game everybody goes right back to their expected roles. You’ll have plenty of time to work your way out of a slump without fear that the coach is going to lose faith in you.

I think Rose would have responded to Skiles well, just like Hinrich did. Skiles doesn’t have issues with the players that want to be coached.

by runningman on Feb 18, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah he's average at best

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Feb 18, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

lol, yeah sorry

This page was just sitting open on my browser and when I wrote that I seriously thought it was an Around the NBA thread for some reason

The doctors thought I died. My heart stopped beating for almost a minute. I came back, and weeks later, when people asked me what I remembered, I told them: "Omer Asik".

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 18, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

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