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Bulls at Boston Celtics: Bulls stay close, but Rondo's conveniently-timed revenge seizes game

The biggest news of Sunday occurred in the morning, when not only was Derrick Rose ruled out of the game but it came with a fairly worrying prognosis:

"[It's been going on for a] couple of games...It was the whole trip, but I just played through it. The more I played through it, it tended to get worse after every game. At the time, I was really worried about it, but just tried to stay positive and hopefully I'll be all right. I don't know the diagnosis. I don't know what to call it, but I just know my back is not right, I don't remember [when it started]. It just came from out of nowhere, man. That's the scary thing about it."

Rose will see a specialist Monday when the Bulls return to Chicago, but wouldn't speculate on whether he'd play in the team's next game, Tuesday against Sacramento at the United Center.

There's much more at the link, including some bullcrap from Thibs, who's Belichick-ian when it comes to injuries, which is fine though annoying. Tough to say if...who am I kidding, it's easy to say! Rose shouldn't have played in New Orleans on Tuesday. Organizational failure from Derrick himself on up.

In his absence, the Bulls encountered their first deficit in over a week of feasting on delicious cupcakes, and stayed behind throughout. Though shooting awfully, they were never out of today's game as Boston couldn't put them away, but the Celtics were in control the entire game so it's hard to even see much of a moral victory. As the Bulls stayed close yet the time wound down, it was apparent that without Rose they just don't have a playmaker to be reliable in set possessions, only scoring when they would trap the Celtics into a turnover, or when they could pound the offensive glass.

There were facets of the game, like that frontcourt advantage, where the Bulls did look good . The Celtics were without Jermaine O'Neal and Brandon Bass which shuffled up some inexperienced members in their frontcourt rotation, and the Bulls bigs were able to feast. Both Boozer and Noah provided efficient offense over the course of the game, going 15-26 with a lack of Boston shotblocking (outside of some turn-back-the-clock moments from Garnett). That made it even more frustrating to see backups Taj Gibson and Omer Asik routinely blowing layups that proved costly. Oftentimes the Bulls would be the ones earning the loose balls, and unable to convert.

The Celtics bigs did manage to out-run their Bulls counterparts, and as a team the C's finished with a 33-7 edge in fast break points. It was on times of not getting back, or failure to stop the ball when back, that earned Carlos Boozer yet another tongue-lashing at the hands of an announcing crew. Jeff Van Gundy emphasized the issues with Boozer not making the right rotations being one of trust from his teammates and coach. Given how close he is with Tom Thibodeau, I wonder if JVG was acting as a surrogate, providing the analysis that Thibs himself can't do to his own player.

As mentioned, Boozer was ably qualified to take advantage when he had the mismatch advantage, which was a welcome sign, as is Noah's apparently fully-fledged return to past performance this season. But as also mentioned above, when the Bulls needed baskets late and the defense concentrated on him, Boozer wasn't good enough to be that go-to option, and two straight turnovers led to two Rondo lobs which effectively put the Bulls away for good. They did get another chance down 3 with just over a shot-clock to go, but it was CJ Watson's turn to ruin the possession forcing a wild long-two.

It was a fitting end for CJ's day, spent shooting awfully and dominated by Rondo, who wound up with a triple-double. BaB enemy #1 was on fire today, commanding the fast break, hitting a few jumpers and a majority of his free throws, getting his assist-padding confused for unselfishness, tugging on Luol Deng's bad wrist near the end of the game...and to be honest he did look to be more of the All-Star than Deng. Like Watson and Boozer, Luol (who did have the wrist wrapped more than before) had his chances to score in the half-court and couldn't do so, not even making a shot until midway through the 3rd quarter.

We know that offensively, the whole team exists and operates as satellites around Derrick Rose, so it's tough to expect them to transcend their usual roles in his absence. But watching it, it follows to wonder what will they be like when Rose is in the game but effectively mitigated by a tough playoff defense. Sure, he's commanding attention, but the other Bulls still need to execute to make things not end like last year.

Of course, both time-wise and team-wise, it's a long way until the playoffs. Sunday's game was the end of an unheard-of 9-game road trip, they were missing their MVP and their free agent difference (though it's been so long he may as well be myth), and they still played hard and looked defensively stout and deep. That's not changing. But the Bulls need to get Rose right, and learn to live with this potentially new less-consistent version of Deng, before we can see if there is indeed a difference this year. The Bulls schedule gets much less dense and road-laden from here on out, and so far they've not only survived it but have the best record in the conference. It's a great story and an accomplishment. But now it'll probably be the rest of the way that's more about survival.

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boozer drove to the rim a few times today

that makes me happy.

id like to see him just post up his man more though. it puzzles me why he doesnt choose to every time he gets the ball. its not like he doesnt know how

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Skrillex didn't win a Grammy.

All in all, a good Sunday.

"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose

by chapuforyou on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

boom pow booooooooooooooooom

"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."

by boyonthedock on Feb 12, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

beep bep bloop bop beep bop bloop

WOOBLE WOOBLE BEEP BLOOP BOOM SSSDFD BEEP WOOOOBLE WEERRRBLE WOOOBLE

"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose

by chapuforyou on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

this might be the best thing you've ever said on here.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

whats a grammy?

can jeremy lin win one of those??

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Who is Jeremy Lin?

"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose

by chapuforyou on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Just making a Grammy joke

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whoisboniver.tumblr.com

"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose

by chapuforyou on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

just making a chapu joke

cant see him so far down on the bench :D

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Fuck you :[)

"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose

by chapuforyou on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

with the way the standings are looking

how epic would it be to have another first round 7 game series against the celtics?

only this time we’d have john lucas clotheslining garnett
cj watson throwing rondo into the scorers table
and rose hitting some game winners

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

"if healthy" is such a huuuuuuge IF now

i didnt think our team would be that banged up coming into this season seeing as how most of our guys are still young-ish and have a relatively decent injury history but damn
luol rip and rose coming in and out is so not good.

why couldnt boozer be the one with the bad back, crap toes, retarded hand, and broken groin?

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Well yeah, we're obviously fucked if the team stays this injured

I’m just saying this for any Boston douchebags that think they’re on to something. Great win though, guys! RONDO! Triple double, WOOOOOO!!!

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

not gunna lie though rondo is a pretty good point guard

hes just never going to be a first option on any championship team.

he’s a great point guard to run a championship team though

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting Trend

When we play cupcakes we win. When we play good teams we usually lose.

by D-Cas on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting trend.

Our starting five hasn’t all played in any of our losses but one. Go home, now.

Supporter of Carlos Austin Boozer, and I don't want to see Dwight Howard in a Bulls uniform. Call me crazy.

by wrigleyrocker12 on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh, a lot of that is bullshit

We beat the Heat every game last year and look at how that turned out. Get to the playoffs healthy and I like our chances

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting Trend #2

When we score more than the other team we win. When we score less than the other team we usually lose.

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"Usually"?

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

today disproves that trend, since the Celtics aren't good!

it don't mean a theng if you ain't got that deng

by Osaka on Feb 12, 2012 11:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

they are good, but certainly not elite

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to rip on Lu, because I still think he's deserving of his All Star status

but is he the first All Star that couldn’t create his own shot? I mean, with his ability, and great size, you’d think by now he’d at least have one or two go-to moves in the bag. It seems like the only thing he does is try to shoot over people, or cut to the basket.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No he's not

For one, Andre Iguodala is just as limited at shot-creating as Deng.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

what?

iggy is miles ahead of deng in terms of getting his own shot off

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

He's got more moves than Deng, but he's also a pretty mediocre shooter

Defenders sag off him, which really limits what he can do.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

well yeah obviously his shooting is iffy

but jbj was just talking about the simple ability to create a shot.

if deng tried to even do that id guess he’ be shooting somewhere around 25%

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

well theres not so good and then theres just cant make it

id say iggy is not so good at creating a shot
and luol is just cant make it when trying to create a shot

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh whatever!

Ball handling and ability to playmaking is extremely valuable and it’s the one thing we don’t have without Rose on the court.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, but that's poop

Andre Igoudala is like a fucking point guard. He ripped our vaunted defense apart when we played them.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Iggy averages less than 13 a game

He’s a great passer and ballhandler, but he’s not good at actually making shots consistently.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, but he's still better than Deng at "creating a shot", and his assist numbers are elite for his position

I’m not saying that he’s a great “scorer” or that Deng is worthless offensively, just that, in the history of All Star players, his game is pretty limited.

Just to follow up in that, if someone who is good at checking out stats would like to look, I’d love to know what percentage of Lu’s shots are assisted, and how he compares to other All Star players, in that regard

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, we're talking about two different things then

Yeah, Iggy’s definitely way better than Deng at creating shots for others, but in terms of scoring, they’re both extremely limited as far as all-stars go.

To answer your specific question, 62.3% of Deng’s buckets this year are assisted. For comparison, only 38% of Lebron’s makes this year are assisted. But then again, Kevin Durant was at 62.4% assisted last year (he is a lot lower at 45.1% this year). You can look all this stuff on Hoopdata if you want.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean, it's interesting

I don’t want to make it sound like I think Lu is a “bad” offensive player, but he just seems unique as a very good player, in that, he can score twenty one night, and eight the next and most people wouldn’t think twice.

I guess I just feel lie there’s a certain amount of polish to his game this isn’t there offensively, that you would expect from someone with his ability.

Like, if he had that mid-range shot down cold, where, you just knew it was money when he was even remotely open, I don’t think I’d have anything to complain about. But it just feels like, from night to night, there’s no consistency. There’s nothing you can count on. And I feel like when you’re an All Star level player, there should be a little more there in that regard.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

that still annoys me and its the one biggest reason i still have iggy and gay as better players than luol

luol is a great defender and team player etc but it boggles me how he doesnt know how to create a simple shot off the dribble or dribble competently yet. its just weeeeeird

and to answer your question id say a lot of east’s centers before dwight couldnt really create a shot on their own. ex. ben wallace
cant really think of any wing players off the top of my head though

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I'm not really counting centers because that's a unique position

I should’ve clarified. My bad. That being said , don’t compare Dwight and Lu. Dwight creates shots just by being near the basket.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

oops, you can disregard my mutombo reference.

but deng’s offense is slashing. I don’t think he needs to chance his offensive play to be honest, I don’t want him out there isolating. I think what he needed the most was 3pt shooting and he did that last season.

Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

by hedonism bot on Feb 12, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying is that he needs to be more reliable

I mean, I don’t know if that’s a completely fair criticism considering all of the things he brings to the game, but it bugs me nonetheless

Like today, I kinda cringed every time he had the ball on offense. Should it be that way for an All Star player?

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

offensively reliable?

He is really clutch defensively. I think good defensive players always get unfairly criticized, but I think he provides enough scoring to round out his overall game, he isn’t a black hole on offense.

If he pokes the ball loose from the opposing team and either he or someone else runs it the other way for an easy bucket, does that count as creating offense?

Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

by hedonism bot on Feb 13, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay the "Deng can't create his shot" thing is way overblown

No, he doesn’t have the widest array of moves in the world, but he can put the ball on the floor, shoot, and even post up when he has a size advantage. He can pull off the “take two hard dribbles right, pull up and shoot” pretty much any time he wants. It’s not the highest-% shot in the world, but neither is Melo’s “jabstep, jabstep, fadeaway”.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Mutombo?

Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

by hedonism bot on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of the allstar game

Doesn’t the east basically have the starting 5 of the Olympic team?

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Ben Wallace.

Deng can create a shot if he has to, but not consistently throughout the game

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the one that stuck out to me as well

but he also won like the most defensive player of the year awards ever, and averaged an insane amount of blocks and rebounds while he was in his prime

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to give a shout-out to Noah for an excellent game (minus the fastbreak turnover late in the 4th)

He single handedly got Boston’s frontline in significant foul trouble all game simply by crashing the boards.

by chowder on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

Ronnie does a lot on the defensive end and otherwise, but we really cannot have him bringing zero offensively out there

Only four shots today, and one was a fast break layup and the other was a putback off an offensive rebound. He obviously wasn’t going to continue the hot shooting he started the season with, but he at least needs to make the defense think that he might shoot it from outside the paint. That’s 31 minutes tonight in which the defense basically did not have to worry about him scoring, which really hurts with Rose injured, Deng limited, and our center position.

He did a hell of a job on Allen, and picked up some assists and steals, but we really need him at least shooting. Otherwise CJ will just take those shots, and they’ll be just as low percentage or lower.

by jpm356 on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM CST reply actions  

I've said enough today and riled up enough people

it went from entertaining to aggravating. I’ll just say that our team is who we thought they were; extremely reliant on Rose. But damn, I hate Rondo and those Celtics fans.

Does the Bulls trainer still have some of “Michael’s Secret Stuff” laying around for Rose to take to heal his back/toe/Skittle addiction? Does that stuff have an expiration date?

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:49 PM CST reply actions  

I miss Rip

Rose makes everyone else better, but Rip makes the offense work better. Today, CJ was option #1 and Jo was option #3. With everyone healthy, Jo is option #5 and CJ is option #7 (after Derrick, Luol, Rip, Boozer, Jo, and KK).

it don't mean a theng if you ain't got that deng

by Osaka on Feb 12, 2012 11:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

yep...any word on him?

I thought they told him to just fly to Chicago for the road trip and they’d re-evaluate (god, I hate that phrase) after that

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

heard "still a week away" today

it don't mean a theng if you ain't got that deng

by Osaka on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

geez..

"Sleep is the brother of broke."
- Chris Douglas-Roberts

by Brigade17 on Feb 12, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't get my hopes up prior to the All Star game

Hopefully they play it safe, and I don’t see any reason for them to push it unless he says that he’s feeling like a 20 year old

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

So I just looked, and the Bulls only have five more games until the All Star break (totally didn't realize that)

Each one a home game, and only two versus teams above .500 (Atlanta and Boston). Am I wrong in thinking that, despite how Rose or Hamilton say they’re feeling, it would be criminal if either played until after that game?

(and Rose shouldn’t play in the All Star game at all. which actually wouldn’t be too much of a departure from the way he performs in those types of games anyway)

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think we really have the information to make that call

I don’t know what causes Rose’s backspasms or what the treatment is or how playing affects them. So if he can get it under control, and playing isn’t going to make things worse, why shouldn’t he play?

Likewise if Rip gets 100% healthy, is there a point to not playing him?

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

There's erring on the side of caution

And there’s setting arbitrary dates for things with little information.

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, people seem to keep coming back with this "we don't know anything" stuff

and I’m not really sure why. Obviously the way they’ve been doing things hasn’t yielded the best results, so I’m not sure why “being cautious” would be an idea that’s scoffed at. With almost any injury, “time”, is very important in the healing process. It doesn’t take a genius to know that.

I’m not claiming to know more than the doctors or anyone else, but at the very least, I don’t see how it would hurt to have the players rest a while. It feels like they’ve been doing the exact opposite up until now, and that most certainly hasn’t worke

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

it sure as hell didnt hurt the mavs title run to sit kidd the last few weeks of the season to help him prep for the playoffs.

its not like our team (outside of rip) needs much time to mesh. everyone knows their roles and the plays. id say we rest everyone and get 100% healthy for the playoffs

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

especially with the type of injuries Hamilton and Rose have

which can be hard to diagnose and hard to tell when the person is completely healed. It doesn’t take much to retweak a weak hamstring or back.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm surprised at the Boozer hatred in the other thread

This is about as well he has played offense this entire year, and while his defense was bad, our half court defense seemed fine in this game, it was transition that was killing us. We can fix that just by not missing 2/3s of our shots.

CJ probably played the worst game he ever has as a Bull. Shooting poorly, defending poorly, turning the ball over frequently, too much dribbling. It was ugly to watch. I’m not too concerned though because well he is 2nd string for a reason and he has always played better than this.

Luol had a rough shooting night, but it seemed to me like was getting good shots. He was just missing shots he usually makes. So I’m just going to chalk this up to a cold streak. Though it could be his wrist hurting.

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 AM CST reply actions  

He still had a a terrible game.

The late possession where he called a timeout with CJ wide open going to the basket, and his man Wilcox simply ran right by him 4 possessions in a row down the court and either got fouled or a basket. The stats say he had a good game but that’s only because he had his jumper working tonight.

by Krandle on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

We would've gotten embarrassed if Boozer didn't play

Taj was trash. What did you want to see them do, trade for Dirk Nowitzki in the middle of the game?

Boozer was the least of our problems

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

yep, boozer was the only thing keeping the offense going

live, i was pissed they went away from him cause it was the only thing that was consistently working.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He was the only consistent part of the offense

Without him we lose by 30

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

And thats considering how badly Taj played yesterday

Ugh…

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Deng was awful

Which caused CJ to have to force a lot of offense. I thought in the first half there was 4-5 drives that CJ was clearly hacked on but were no calls favoring Garnett and the Celtics….

CJ was ok. Rondo was on fire and Rondo > CJ, esp when he’s having one of his games.

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel like Deng's awful game is on CJ

There were multiple times when CJ would dribble for the first 15-20 seconds of the shot clock, then jack up a prayer or drive into a block. It’s the PGs job to get Deng involved, and CJ decided he would rather go 1 on 5. Deng was awful because CJ forced a lot of offense.

by tuff-gong on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i mean he struggled shooting

but live i felt like he just wasn’t involved enough – not enough touches. i was calling for him to get the ball and when he did is when he got to the line. i did feel like cj was ignoring him though. and for awhile going to boozer was working and he eventually went away from that too.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Deng started in Q1 0-6....

Or by early Q2 was 0-6 with 1 pt, well before halftime.

What’s CJ to do with that and with Brewer losing his touch again and reverting back to the old Ronnie (good to great d, little O).

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Feb 13, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

One more thing

What was with Thibs playing Lucas and CJ at the same time? Lucas sucks, sucks, sucks. The only reason he should be on the court is to give CJ a breather. I don’t understand having the two of them out there together at all.

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 12:34 AM CST reply actions  

I think Thibs just wanted shooting on the floor, and another player that could ease the ballhandling burden from CJ

Not that I would know, but I’d imagine it can’t be too easy to basically be the only person that can dribble a basketball for two hours against a team like the Celtics

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 13, 2012 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Im thinking maybe loul is pressing a bit from tge allstar nomination. Im sure its possible he’s second guessing his self out there or overthinking or trying to hard as opposed to the fame just coming to him. Esp with rose out and him feeling the need to set up as well.

Im adjust and just accept some of the irrational boozer hate. Im chalk it up to some fans just need somebody to hate.

What really irks me. Are folks who shit on our team just so they can say “see i told you so”. Fuck d howard, fuck melo, fuck everybody. I think this team can succeed and will succeed. And if or until they trade or sign someone, all you “i told you so” folks should cool it.

Bulls, Bears and White Sox, what!!!

by Rose2RipKaboom! on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

dude, this is a forum and its an outlet for alot of us chicago fans...

even i get angry on our players (and ill admit im a pretty damn optimistic fan). Some people want mroe from the players and that’s understandable, but i do agree some people tend to say some stupid things and dont even back it up.

by Geo4MVP on Feb 13, 2012 1:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Thibs Multiple Choice

"[Watson] makes those shots," Thibodeau said. "I’m not going to second-guess that. I want him to be aggressive, and he was. I didn’t have a problem with that."

a) painfully loyal

b) painfully stupid

c) both of the above

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 6:59 AM CST reply actions  

yeah, i agree

i think WE have to be painfully stupid to think that he doesn’t know what he’s saying. i’m sure he and cj will talk enough about that play – i’m glad he doen’t insult his players to the media.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I have always thought of him as the anti-Skiles

The man has a graduate degree in counseling. He is well educated and understands the psychology of motivation.

Skiles was a great tactician but his downfall was that he had no interpersonal skills whatsoever, whereas Thibs is consistently praised by former players he has worked with and how he handles players. We are truly blessed to have him as our coach.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

jerry sloan might be a better comparison

pops and phil jackson were better player coaches as opposed to x and o. Not to say they werent good at the xs and os but more that their specialty came more from how they managed players. Jerry sloan was more of a a tactician.

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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

uh... Dude Jerry Sloan was a complete asshole to his players

He is described as being a cruel petty man, and until he retired Karl Malone hated his guts.

I don’t see the comparison to Thibs because he is extremely good with his players. They all love playing for him, and I think it’s because he started with a background in psychology. One of his greatest strengths is how to handle people.

I agree with you that Sloan had a brilliant basketball IQ though. The comparison to Thibs in that respect is probably fair.

http://deadspin.com/241382/jerry-sloan-is-not-the-worlds-friendliest-man

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

im part too young to remember

and part never noticed, but did sloan throw players under the bus. I remember when the dwill thing happened, he just retired. Im not sure the entire team LOVES to play for thibs, but rose, deng, and noah…possibly due to having to deal with vdn for 2 years, do, and i think the rest of the team follows suits. Korver was on nba tv a while back and he alluded that sometimes playing for thibs wasnt easy….i think its more that the team is composed of well coachable hard working guys, as opposed to the fact that they all just love thibs. I think they all just want to win…

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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

i think its more that the team is composed of well coachable hard working guys, as opposed to the fact that they all just love thibs.

I think that is an important distinction.

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

to be fair,

karl malone is a jack off

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Feb 13, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hello??

Of course he’s just playing the General who sticks up for his troops in public. The point is that when a player makes an obvious mistake, it’s ridiculous to pretend that he didn’t.

Does anyone believe that it would hurt team moral, or that CJ would be less motivated to play for Thibs if he had said: “Yes, that wasn’t the best decision on CJ’s part.”, or something along those lines?

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Who gives a fuck what he says or doesn't say in a presser?

Especially given yfbb presupposition that he’s full of shit and other fatty food stuffs.

by Dogfishhead on Feb 13, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone should, and here's why...

When a spokesman for an organization – whether a coach, military or political figure – obviously covers and dissembles, it erodes confidence in everything that they say.

What’s the point of even having press conferences if you can’t count on reasonably honest responses?

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, I must be mistaken then.

Because I was under the assumption that it, 1.) didn’t matter what Thibs said about anything in a press conference. Because 2.) press conferences are an exercise in circle jerking and/or a place in which Rex Ryan gets to self-promote.

As for your first point though, that Thibs our valued spokesperson, has the capacity to “erode” much of anything via the press conference, I just can’t buy it or else I need to get more caffeinated. I mean, these are the stakes of a post-game conversation on CJ Watson, much less a post-game conversation on anything? He’s not a play-by-play guy or anything. He’s not held to conventions or objective standards in a press conference. Shit, I wish somebody would cover and or dissemble Niel Funk’s face. That guy fucking sucks. Thibs can evade anything he wants to. And. lastly, I regret having typed so much on a completely forgettable topic.

by Dogfishhead on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

This is actually a good question, you should ask Stern
What’s the point of even having press conferences if you can’t count on reasonably honest responses?

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

bullshit is the point of press conferences. im not even being cynical

when was the last time you listened to an enlightening press conference? the 24 hour news cycle has reduced them to PR-by-numbers

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by paddyfairview on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously what did you guys want the Bulls to do on that possession?

Obviously best case scenario is Thibs draws up some miracle play where Korver gets the ball for an open 3 with no time left on the shot clock, he hits it, we tie the game and go to OT.

Note that even in this unlikely dream situation, the Celtics still get the ball with 3 seconds left and a timeout, so assuming everything goes right on the Bulls end perfectly, the Celts have a pretty good opportunity to win the game outright anyway.

The real best case scenario is the Bulls try for a quick 3, leaving enough time for contingency plans in case the shot doesn’t go in. With no timeouts left, they need to extend the game, and the best way to do that is a quick shot and hope for the best.

Believe it or not, CJ is an excellent 3 point shooter. If anyone should take that shot, it is him or Kyle, and there is going to be a lot more defensive attention paid to Kyle.

Thibs was able to recognize this game situation immediately after Boozer called the boneheaded timeout, while it took me a full day to figure out what was going on. The play was designed, it wasn’t CJ going renegade. That’s why I love this man as a coach; he is absolutely brilliant when it comes to his bball IQ; his 20+ years of experience vs. VDN’s 0 are so apparent in situations like this.

This is also why I also don’t have a problem with CJ’s shot (outside his foot being on the line, which completely ruined Thibs’ strategy. The plan was solid, but execution was poor).

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

i don't have a problem with cj being the one to shoot

but the manner in which it was done was horrible.

course, i didn’t even see his foot on the line – i was kinda obscured by the assholes standing in front of me at the game heh.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that the execution was bad

But watch the play again, it wasn’t a bad idea by Thibs at all.

Boozer even rolls to the 3 point line after setting his off screen to try to free CJ, so they way the play was drawn up he was probably meant to be a second option in case CJ absolutely couldn’t get the shot off.

I think in CJ’s mind he thought he had to shoot there; even if it wasn’t a great shot it was better than any of the other options. I’d rather have CJ, shooting 46% from 3, take a fadeaway 3 than Boozer, who is 1 for 10 in his career, attempt a contested catch and shoot from the top of the circle.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah i don't know

i would have to see the replays. i am just picturing what happened live since that’s what i saw – and again my view was kinda obscured cause people were standing and shit and i didn’t see the play as well as people would have on tv. but it just really seemed like a bad idea.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

No it was NOT

“better” than the other options. You realize there was 26 seconds left on the game clock when the Bulls were in-bounding the ball, right?

CJ took a rushed shot as if it were only 3 secs left.

"It was very impressive. Wouldn't you say, Scal?" Lucas said.

*Scalabrine gets down on all fours*

"Hey, Lebron," Scalabrine said, impersonating Lucas. "Need a boost?!"

by chicity773 on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

He shot it with 20 seconds

He could’ve gotten that same exact shot 15 seconds later. Why not at least try to run Korver off of a screen or set a pick for Watson to get him more open?

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Taking 15 seconds off the clock presents a huge strategic disadvantage for the Bulls

They have one chance to TIE, if they make the shot, and then Boston has a good chance to win. Even if they tie (best case scenario), they still have to beat Boston in OT which is unlikely seeing as how Boston was in control the entire game.

Shooting early is important because it gives the Bulls more opportunities to win with more possessions. Time is crucial at that point.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

yea i didnt mind the quick shot itself

cuz i figured that was the reaosn for it, but i wish they had spent a second or two more to have korver take the shot, the shot korver took was just terrible, he wasnt behind the line, he wasnt balanced, he was contested and it was off the dribble. Korver even if contested probably had a better chance of knocking it down..

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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

At that point, if the Bulls miss, they essentially lose (unless they somehow get the rebound). So there’s not much of an advantage of missing earlier in the clock than later. On the other hand, if the Bulls make the shot, it’s better to leave the Celtics only 5 seconds than 15 seconds to make their final shot. This is all assuming the Bulls go for the 3. If they wanted to go for a quick 2, than yeah, they should have shot earlier, but they were clearly going for the 3.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 13, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Also a pick was set for Watson, by Boozer

watch the play again. In retrospect I think Boozer rolled not as a second option, but in case CJ got doubled off the screener.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Please...

it doesn’t matter how good the plan was, it was terribly executed, and for no good reason. They had plenty of time to create a decent shot.

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that the plan was terribly executed

either Boozer needs to set a harder screen, or CJ needs to use the screen better.

I disagree that they had plenty of time to create a shot or there was no good reason for it. You’re putting all your eggs in one basket by holding the ball and waiting for something to develop, and frankly you’re not getting a good look at a 3 when the Celtics know that’s what you need and are defending the line.

If the Bulls shoot quick, even if they miss they can still get an offensive rebound, get a steal, immediately foul twice and hope the Celtics split, while they do something with their possessions etc. The quicker the play is executed, the more chances the Bulls have to make something happen.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

How could they, when CJ went into his shooting motion EVERY Bulls player was BEHIND the 3 point line.
If the Bulls shoot quick, even if they miss they can still get an offensive rebound

"It was very impressive. Wouldn't you say, Scal?" Lucas said.

*Scalabrine gets down on all fours*

"Hey, Lebron," Scalabrine said, impersonating Lucas. "Need a boost?!"

by chicity773 on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The Bulls aggressively crashed the boards when CJ's shot went up

Also the further away a shot is taken, the further it caroms off the rim in the case of a miss and the more likely opportunities are for offensive rebounds. Being behind the 3 point line when a shot is released does not preclude the opportunity for offensive rebounds.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually only one guy "crashed"

the boards and that was Luol. As soon as the shot went off he took off towards the rim.

"It was very impressive. Wouldn't you say, Scal?" Lucas said.

*Scalabrine gets down on all fours*

"Hey, Lebron," Scalabrine said, impersonating Lucas. "Need a boost?!"

by chicity773 on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought that Kyle dived towards the basket from the opposite elbow

Which is important because his area is the most likely space a rebound would fall. I could be wrong on that though.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Kyle, Lu, and Boozer all went for the offensive rebound

While Lucas rotated to the open spot on the floor, opposite elbow from CJ, taking Kyle’s spot on the arc.

If the Bulls grab a rebound there, Thibs may have instructed them to kick it back to Lucas for another quick 3 attempt rather than scramble for a quick two.

If CJ’s shot wasn’t short and fallen to the only spot the Bulls didn’t send a man, they could’ve gotten two attempts to tie instead of one. Lucas was open after the rebound. Pretty cool stuff, I’m in awe of Thibs right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3vIXUBKUdg

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

c'mon...

If CJ’s shot wasn’t short and fallen to the only spot the Bulls didn’t send a man, they could’ve gotten two attempts to tie instead of one.

a) if wishes were horses…

b) I’d rather have the first shot be a good one, and so would every sane coach

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Of course you'd rather have the first shot be a good shot over a bad shot

That was not the issue at all. I’m not suggesting the Bulls plan was to intentionally take a bad shot, miss, and have Lucas take a better shot. If you really believe this is what I’m trying to say you’re completely missing the point.

Lucas was a contingency plan, giving the Bulls an extra opportunity.

The issue we’re talking about is the quickness of the shot, and I’m suggesting there were reasons for that. THIS is a strawman argument.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

please...

no coach, reviewing that play, would argue as you have, that CJ did the right thing. He didn’t. He forced up a terrible shot, and should not have.

You can theorize all you like about how finely the play was designed, or what might have happened if this or if that, but all of that is irrelevant. When a play doesn’t unfold properly, it’s up to the players to adjust intelligently. CJ failed to do so.

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually no one is arguing that CJ screwed up the play

I have agreed 100% on that. I see where you’re coming from Warfield, and you’re opinion is valid; all I’m trying to say is that the idea was a good one, the execution was flawed

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you're the one arguing against a strawman

nobody is arguing that they shouldn’t have taken a quick shot. However, when that quick shot wasn’t there, it was on CJ to pull the ball down and find something else. When he failed to do that, it was a mistake on his part. There may have been other considerations that went into that mistake (Boozer’s bad pick, the coach wanting to shoot quickly) but when executing the play, CJ failed to make the necessary adjustments. The shot was terrible. CJ had a bad game but will bounce back. The end.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually many people have argued that the quick shot was problematic

but at this point, agree to disagree I guess. Who really knows what Thibs was thinking at the time. At least it’s fun to speculate.

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I said "crashed"

Luol is still the only one who truly “crashed” there. Boozer and Kyle kind of slowly jogged toward the paint. But the Celtics were in much better position.

"It was very impressive. Wouldn't you say, Scal?" Lucas said.

*Scalabrine gets down on all fours*

"Hey, Lebron," Scalabrine said, impersonating Lucas. "Need a boost?!"

by chicity773 on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It boggles my mind...

that anyone would be defending that choice of shot.

by Paul Warfield on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Mine too.

You want to score quickly. Not for the player to throw up some rushed trash, that was CJ shot.

"It was very impressive. Wouldn't you say, Scal?" Lucas said.

*Scalabrine gets down on all fours*

"Hey, Lebron," Scalabrine said, impersonating Lucas. "Need a boost?!"

by chicity773 on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

also, LOL at that picture/caption

they showed that on the big screen at the game at one point and my husband i were just like… uhhhh

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

if deng got surgery

.what’s the time frame?

by Belize on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I wasn't feeling the C.J. Watson JL III line-up.

I think it’s a stupid fucking idea and I have no idea why Thibs seems so averse to playing Jimmy when the game is not already firmly decided. I mean, it’s nice that JLIII can handle the ball, but if that’s the only justification for having the guy in, then, let’s go ahead and get somebody else who can handle the ball (which should be the floor of any point guard) and do something else. Dude’s a chucker who is shooting under 40% from the field.

With that said, he is the team’s third point guard—I have to keep reminding myself of that. And we seem to be a bit handcuffed. Obviously the guy is getting PT because he has to, there’s no one else to take the PT right now, which is why having BOTH Rip and Derrick out is so troublesome. I’m starting to get more worried about the Rip injury (not as much as Derrick’s back issue, for obvious reasons) and the prospect of ever having him fully healthy.

by Dogfishhead on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

ordinarily i'd defend thibs by saying he has to stick with system guys, it's his whole schtick as a coach

but JLIII is so ineffective I dont know what he sees in him. He’s good for about 5 mpg during which we inevitably slip

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by paddyfairview on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

yea

if the celtics threw a trap at cj, hed be dead. Its bad enough when they do it to rose, cj wouldnt stand a chance

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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I think you're right, which is why JLIII

has to play. It’s his only redeemable quality: he can handle. But, again, if you have a point guard with suspect handles he shouldn’t be a point guard. I think this is what I’m lamenting. You have to play JLIII all injuries considered.

by Dogfishhead on Feb 13, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Lucas actually did way more than expected and had 2 3-pointers

which kinda overshadowed why it was an awful idea.

I get the guard shortage, but then play more Butler and slide Korver at the 2. They could hide him against Bradley or Dooling

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Good recap

At the extent of losing a million BaB power points, is there really any question that Rondo is better than Luol Deng? I mean, was that really Rondo’s motivation? I thought it was a general F-U to D.Rose, look at me-statement games but him going after Deng makes more sense. I didn’t notice the hand tug during the game but it makes sense – the Pacers, Heat and every other playoff team will be doing the same when the games matter.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

i think its arguable

its not like the fans picked luol deng over rondo, it was the coaches. But i did also see the FU to rose in there, but sort of a cowardly one. A big part of why he went off had to come with the confidence that rose wouldnt be in the game to show him up, so in his mind rondo probably (and presumably correctly) assumed he was the bests guard on the floor and wanted to show it.

I was thinking afterwards how cool it would have been to have kept rose active but not play him, and then at the end for that last 2 min mark stretch thibs couldve thrown him out there….that wouldve been epic, boston fans wouldve panicked, the team wouldve panicked, rondo wouldve panicked, and rose would be one poohdini move away from icing the game…..todays headline would have been “rose defeats celtics in two minutes”

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by piccolomair on Feb 13, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

lol, i actually said that in the other thread

how even if he could barely move it would have been a mindfuck just to even put him in the game.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

couldn't be worse than jl3.

OTOH, don’t want the Celtics thinking they’re that important.

it don't mean a theng if you ain't got that deng

by Osaka on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

heh, yeah

actually i told my celtics fans friends, since i have plenty, that the celtics should be ashamed of themselves that they only won by four. the bulls sucked.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Rondo only put up those numbers because CJ was so bad yesterday.

Deng had an off game. Did you see the numbers from Rondo’s game against the Raptors? Everyone has off games.

Not sure how you missed the take though, they called the foul and showed replays.

it don't mean a theng if you ain't got that deng

by Osaka on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Deng immediately looked at his wrist after the play. Scared me for a second.

I doubt Rondo did that on purpose because of the injury…looked to me like he was more just trying to get away with one knowing that Deng could post him up rather easily. He is a little shit though, so I guess I shouldn’t put it past him.

Hopefully Rose is healthy for Thursday’s game and he puts Rondo back in his place.

by bleigh82 on Feb 13, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see the Rondo hang-tug on Luol

Was it a classic Rondo cheapshot? Anybody have a link? Couldn’t find one.

by Brooklyn Bulls on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

it was one of the last plays, he was called for a foul

didn’t look intentional, Deng was fighting for position and rondo grabbed his arm/wrist as he fell backwards.

But then again I’ll imply it was intentional because it was Rondo.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Hollinger is still bitching via twitter about Deng being picked over Rondo

Can someone tell him the coaches put him there, and more importantly, its just a damn all star game! It doesnt matter at all! It is just nice for a player to get some recognition…this is a really dumb thing to care about

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by Brigade17 on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

also he was going on about the games missed thing

rondo missed more!

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

no shit

it’s ridiculous that he’s picking on deng about this whole thing. i’m not offended that he wouldn’t have picked deng, but it’s dumb that he is singling him out for no reason. there are plenty of arguments to be made for and against guys who both did and did not make it. but the coaches picked perfectly reasonable candidates imo for the most part.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

also i mean he's totally missing the point

acting like it was this “line” between the 7 and 8 games that deng and rondo missed respectively. WTF? that’s not why. how bout complaining about them selecting a guy who came from a team who’s won 8 games? or joe johnson over jsmoov? rondo would have been a reasonable selection over the other GUARDS imo (iguodala too) on the roster – it just didn’t work out that way. i get why they picked pierce over him – pierce is the one who picked the celtics up from the dregs of the league, not rondo.

and his argument about bad picks coming from coaches who think they owe good teams more than one star or whatever – well he already hated rose for MVP, so honestly, who the fuck cares at this point. sometimes i think he’s trolling the bulls.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

*not that pierce is directly competing with rondo for a spot either

but if coaches were thinking they shouldn’t reward the celtics with more the one player

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

No he's a salesman for PER

Don’t look behind the curtain, no conflict of interests here.

by tuluse on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

what bothers me is that he is ignoring the biggest thing

in Deng’s favor and the biggest knock on PER – defense. If he were a bit more honest about that point, I’d have no problem with his opinion. But he should at least acknowledge Deng is in for defense as much as anything.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

They don't play the same position, either.

Rondo has to beat out the other guards, not Deng.

by Tim S. on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Not entirely true

There are two wildcard spots at the end, which is how both Deng and Iguodala got in.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you know?

or are you just going by the way they were announced on tv?

also i mean it’s not like he was only put as a wildcard on everyone’s ballots. i’m sure he got votes at the forward spot, and iguodala could have gotten votes at either the guard or forward spot i’d imagine.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

(and rondo could have been on the same ballots as either or both of them!)

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say Deng was the wildcard, just that one of them had to be

So Rondo could’ve possibly made it at Dengs expense.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 13, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he directly questioned the coaches

and he writes about basketball for living. You care as much as he does LOLZ

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no comeback for the truth :(

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by Brigade17 on Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

man, that makes me feel pretty bad, because as we all know john hollinger has this whole basketball thing pretty much figured out and there are very few contestable issues remaining in the field

"A household is a business given over to caring for small, temporarily insane people, a business subject to cash-flow problems, endless legal harassments, run by people who expect to have sex with each other, who occupy the same space, and who go nuts when either party has sex with anyone else. Once in marriage, a lot of people try to get out as fast as religious tradition, poverty, or devotion to children permits.""

by TheMoon on Feb 13, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Man, the Bulls would win if they could just make 75% of their layups.

Can we bring back Dalibor Bagaric to mob them near the basket, and teach them to go up strong and dunk the fucking ball?

by cubbybear on Feb 13, 2012 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Taj and Asik's lack of finishing will save JR a few millions over the next couple of summers

it is often said, but I don’t know if either is starter caliber (especially Asik) unless you are starting them next to a truly great player.

by Basketball Smurf on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

at least

Taj finishes strong SOMETIMES…Asik never finishes in traffic. He either gets stripped or he misses the shot. I’ve mentally trained myself to realize that’s the only outcome of O getting the ball inside. It’s pretty pathetic.

by NormVanBeer on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we also bring back Wennington and Longley??

Not only could they dunk, but they could shoot the ball as well!!

by BullsFan22 on Feb 13, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll get some call girls on the phone and...

oh, you meant a real massage. Right…

And you’re supposed to link this kind of information. Otherwise it sounds like a lie.

SIN-BANNED-ITY!!!

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, I got it.

Link sauce.

Quote sauce:

“Derrick saw a specialist this morning,” Forman said. "And it reconfirmed what we had thought previously and what the MRI had shown in that there is nothing structurally wrong with his back. It’s muscular.

SIN-BANNED-ITY!!!

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 13, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

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