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Bulls 95, Bobcats 64: Bulls keep road blowout streak going without Rose

That's four straight 20+ point road wins for the Bulls, which I've read (and heard on NBATV) is a record. So that's neat. Watching the actual games isn't that exciting though it's easy to stay impressed with how locked-in the Bulls are. When discussing an emerging team like the Sixers or Pacers, the first indicator is winning at home, and then blowing out bad teams there. There is no disputing the Bulls are a great team, a different level, and they can blow out teams on the road, even missing their best player. When at this status, is it important that the Bulls never have an off night? Maybe not, the playoffs you assume all teams are going to be ready to play. But it's a mindset worth commending all the same.

Team
OffEff
Poss
EFG%
TOR
ORR
FTR
CHI
105.6
90
46.7
11.1
34.6
22.2
CHA
71.1
33.6
17.8
22.2
25.0

The Bobcats meanwhile are terrible, and injuries hurt them even more than the Bulls because they replace average players with awful ones, whereas the Bulls have to endure some John Lucas time but not much else. Charlotte is both small and slight, yet to compound that they also can't shoot. Oh don't worry, they also can't take care of the ball. The Bulls started hot with a 30-point first quarter (a hallmark of their recent streak) behind 3-point shooting, and never had to worry much after that. Noah and Boozer were able to destroy the Bobcats inside (Biyombo actually looks like a talent, but needs way more strength), with Boozer actually unleashing a couple of baseline spin moves.

It was fun all-around if you were on the Bulls sidelines. I include Thibodeau screaming at his team when they're up 25, because I think that's fun for him. But you had the aforementioned Boozer post moves, Noah with a couple of tornadoes, the Bulls actually try an alley-oop (Lucas to Butler...it failed), Neil Funk getting in some digs at old foe Tyrus Thomas (who literally looks awful...why is he so thin?*), and a possession where Taj Gibson lost his shoe. That last bit inspired some must-watch video from Joakim Noah.

*[I was trying to remember all game, besides that infamous severely-protected draft pick the Bulls received for Tyrus, who did they get as rentals in that trade to match salaries? I did recall the Acie Law experience, but the player I was trying to conjure up was Flip Murray. Man, remember him?]

The Bulls, either as an organization or from a rare bout of sanity by coach Thibodeau, sat Rose on Friday. So, as much as actions to the contrary garner consternation in this space, I have to say great job by them. I'm trying to remember that in this insanely-good season where minutes for stars is a concern, one way to limit confusion is to just not really take Thibs at his word. Sam Smith provided a reminder:

Rose, though, is expected to play against Boston Sunday in the national TV game.

Russian defense minister, errr, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said it’s "still the same" with Rose.

"Day to day," said Thibodeau. "More precautionary. Just wanted to give him another day of rest. We’ll see where he is tomorrow. We’ll take it day by day."

Thibodeau plays this little game with reporters, who two or there times a day at practice and games ask him about Rose. Thibodeau always says day to day or game time decision, though C.J. Watson, who started for Rose, revealed after the game that Thibodeau had told the team Thursday that Rose wasn’t playing Friday. Thibodeau has this NFL mentality belief that you cannot give out information to your opponent.

The Boston game is notable, but may not be much more of a challenge. I suppose they could be fired-up after losing in Toronto Friday night, they don't really look to be in the same class as the Bulls. They're better than the teams the Bulls have absolutely destroyed in this road winning streak of theirs, so maybe something like a 10-point win is in the offering? The Bulls do have a pedestrian record against winning teams, so for a team always looking for challenges they can use that as motivation Sunday.

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Ok, so now can we be angry that Rose played against the Hornets?:
Neil Hayes @bynhayes
Derrick Rose says he won’t know if he can play against #Celtics until he wakes up tomorrow. His back is still stiff. #Bulls
Neil Hayes @bynhayes
Derrick Rose can’t understand why he’s had so many injuries this season. He’s frustrated. #Bulls

Derrick should be getting the Rip Hamilton treatment right now. With this team, ans this hectic season, it’s no time for Thibs to preach his tough guy approach. Let the kid get all the way better so we don’t get Jeremy Lin’d out of the playoffs in the first round, please.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

And everyone realized that, except for the Coach. Isn't that troubling?

I mean, this wasn’t a case where a bunch of people were second guessing. People here, people in local newspapers, bloggers, everyone thought Rose should be sitting. Now he’s still hurting, with more important, and more difficult games coming up, and we’re just supposed to accept that. This has been a really rough patch for Thibs imo.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

i think derrick might be part of the problem

derrick says he can play, thibs says “go to town”. who knows what the chain of command is on these decisions, but are they going to tell derrick no if he says he’s alright?

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much

I mean, I saw Derrick play for about 2 seconds in that Hornets game, and it was more than obvious he wasn’t himself. You don’t think the training staff or Thibs can see these things in warmups, or shootaround, and just tell him to not play?

Plus, fuck “respecting every team”, he had no business playing against the Hornets regardless of how he looked. I know Thibs likes to pretend like that shouldn’t matter, but this is the real World, these things are important. The Hornets suck, here on Earth.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i mean obv i'm hoping he plays tomorrow

cause i want to see him, but i’m hoping that if i do see him in uni tomorrow it’s because he’s on the mend and not forcing it.

these back issues really worry me. guess all we can hope for is that the treatment is working…

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

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by Jaina on Feb 11, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

crux

but are they going to tell derrick no if he says he’s alright?

It’s an organizational failure if they allow the players to decide (as they have apparently done a number of times over the past couple of years).

by Paul Warfield on Feb 11, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

they said no to Jordan.

A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde

by dantheman3k on Feb 11, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

the crux, indeed.

i don’t know why organizations don’t err on the side of caution with their multimillion dollar investments.

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing, I never said he wouldn't

This isn’t only about playing against Boston, this about long term health. He shouldn’t have played against the Hornets

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you talk about blaming Thibs

as if there’s a cause-effect relationship between Rose still hurting and playing in the NO game. I think it’s important to note that your entire point rests on guesswork that Rose wouldn’t be in this same position whether he had played or not.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

umm...

your entire point rests on guesswork that Rose wouldn’t be in this same position whether he had played or not

It’s more than a guess to surmise that he would be further along in the healing process had he not played – it’s a logical inference.

No one (including the trainers) would be able to say to what degree it delayed the healing process, but it is very difficult to imagine that it didn’t to some degree.

by Paul Warfield on Feb 11, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahh yes, "your mom" jokes. The scourge of the 20th century

You sir, have found my weakness. Now excuse me while I go cry in a corner thinking about what other horrible things my mother might be up to at this very moment.

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I searched Excite!

[/search engine smash]

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Feb 11, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

This doesn't sound too good:
Neil Hayes @bynhayes
Derrick Rose on back: "I’m still getting treatment on it all day everyday and praying about it and just trying to stay positive. " #Bulls

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

jesus,

and you know the back problem was from him compensating for the goddamn toe. i said it then and i’ll say it again, he needs to sit and for a while.

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Feb 11, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

true, but to be fair

he could tweet “riding a streak of blowouts and coming off some rest, ready to destroy the Celtics!!! #fuckrondo” and you’d still be panicking about something

"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat

by paddyfairview on Feb 11, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Just a heads up, something funky going on with this sentence (obv not used to writing on the weekend)
The Bobcats meanwhile are terrible, and injuries hurt them even more than the Bulls because they don’t have they replace average players with awful ones

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

and what the hell is wrong with tyrus

i have bigger arms than him for god’s sake.

DUNK HIS ASS

by obnoxious american on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

hmmm...

buying steroids from the same dude who used to sell him dime bags of “primo” oregano?

by Paul Warfield on Feb 11, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

When people say "What's wrong with Tyrus?", doesn't that kinda presume that he was, at some point, "right"?

He sucked in Chicago, and now he’s sucking in Charlotte, only with a bigger contract. I’d say everything is pretty much status quo in Tyrus Thomas’ universe

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

his arms look tiny

maybe after that freak weightlifting injury where he broke his arm, he decided to stop pumping iron?

There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.

by slowmotion on Feb 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

no, he's way worse now then he was then

so pointing out you had it all along just means you’re gloating you were wrong then. so there.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 11, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you that. Although I wouldn't go as far as to say "way" worse

I still think he was pretty much trash when he played here. It was masked by some highlights, and the fact that he could get to the line a little bit, but he really never had any clue how to actually play basketball (and obv still doesn’t)

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

No he's way worse now

In ‘09-’10, he averaged 15 points and 10 rebounds per 36 minutes. This year, he’s averaging 9 points and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. I always thought that Tyrus was a worse player than the stats indicated because of his poor basketball IQ, but when he was with the Bulls, he at least produced from a statistical standpoint. Now he’s not even doing that.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 11, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Players like Tyrus are the reason I hate per minute stats

There’s reasons he wasn’t actually getting those numbers and minutes

Whoever keeps putting Justin Timberlake in all these movies, please, stop.

by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 11, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

sinsanity?

"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard

by SidM on Feb 11, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

hmm, i wonder if that'll get me flagged

"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard

by SidM on Feb 11, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

sinbannedity?

"How dare you mock this buxom wench!"

- William Regal defending Vickie Guerrero.

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 12, 2012 6:09 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Sure

But he’s not getting those minutes now either. The point, is, he’s producing less now than he was with the Bulls. That’s pretty indisputable.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Feb 11, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

Tyrus was never as good as his blocks/steal made him look in various metrics, but he’s undoubtedly worse than he even was a few years ago. I do think it was predictable by the time the Bulls traded him that he wasn’t going to see major improvement, but this was hard to predict.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't believe we traded Aldridge for Thomas

That trade of Tyrus for Aldridge and Khabibibwhatevernooneremembersorcares has to be the low point for the org’s drafting over the past 6-7 years. Of course, if it weren’t for that trade the Bulls might not have had the 1.7%, and Derrick Rose is far more important than Aldridge will ever be. Still, it is quite tempting to imagine how awesome the Bulls would be if they had Aldridge instead of Boozer.

by chowder on Feb 11, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Rose is the only reason they weren't sunk by that decision

Other than Tyrus, they haven’t made any undebatable mistakes. Guys like Sefolosha and James Johnson didn’t work out, but they retained enough value to be traded for other useful pieces.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

that noah video is hilarious

As far as thibs…I like his vague attitude…I wanna say doc rivers and phil does the same thing

by Belize on Feb 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Almost every coach does this

It’s been hell in fantasy basketball because of it. Some players have been day-to-day for weeks, when the coach clearly knew they weren’t close to playing.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Day to Day

I do wish that the organization would, in other than truly crucial games, follow this simple formula for their important players:

DTD = DNP

by Paul Warfield on Feb 11, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Derrick plays the most punishing style of game there is in this league

He drives to the basket in a way that is almost reckless. It’s just too much for a season like this. I don’t even know how one would go about telling him to cool it either; that’s just how he plays. I wish Thibs would just tell him to head back to Chicago and be ready to play Tuesday, but that isn’t going to happen.

Also, I saw someone on some other blog (Thankfully, no one here is that stupid) make the point that the Bulls are 5-1 without Rose and that shows that they don’t need him and that “…the team is what makes a team good, not the best player.”

To that, I say…really? The Bulls have played the Bobcats twice, the Wizards, the Suns, the Kings, and the Griz with Rose out. Not exactly murder’s row there.

Bulls will roll over the C’s Sunday, Noah will make KG his bitch, and everything except Rose being healthy will be right in Bulls’ land.

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

by Brigade17 on Feb 11, 2012 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

Yep...the quote is defensible, but not with the point he was trying to make

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

by Brigade17 on Feb 11, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

bill cosby looks like q-tip

"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat

by paddyfairview on Feb 11, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol at the potential Ewing theory candidates.

He had Peyton Manning as one. Yeah, good call there

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

by Brigade17 on Feb 11, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

lmao

Love that theory but I hope rose never ends up on that list…

Btw..simmons said melo might be double theory (nugs/knicks)

by Belize on Feb 11, 2012 3:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Many of the guys on the list are "replaceable"

meaning that their skill set can be found in someone else. NO ONE can do what Rose does on a daily basis.

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

by Brigade17 on Feb 11, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Derrick plays the most punishing style of game there is in this league
He drives to the basket in a way that is almost reckless. It’s just too much for a season like this. I don’t even know how one would go about telling him to cool it either

Yeah, that along with how great an athlete he is is what makes him unstoppable for the most part when a couple of picks are set for him and he goes to the rim and can get a close shot every time and he even avoids some big hits by how quick he is, but he still gets knocked around plenty, goes with it.

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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Feb 12, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

First time in years

But I did notice last night while watching the game that Bulls basketball for a stretch has been not fully exciting.
Not so long ago was a team that any game was never a ‘given’ for a win.
Now you can look ahead at the schedule and check off games knowing which ones will be tough and the others that will be exciting, and potential trap games.

The so-called Baby-Bulls years (how long did that last?) had blow-outs here and there, but no game really was predictable.

But I won’t complain! Like seeing some one-sidedness.

Conan, what is best in life?
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Miami Heat.

by BCs71 on Feb 11, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

yeah even last year we blew some really dumb games, but we've only lost to playoff teams (and nemesis GS)

"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat

by paddyfairview on Feb 11, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I can just imagine a Bobcats fan reading your post

calmly shutting down the computer, putting on his hat, grabbing his shotgun on the way out the door, and then driving to Chicago looking for you.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Enjoy these blow outs while they last, it shows how dominate we are.

A few years from now we won’t be this suffocating on defense that most of us will be saying “man remember when we blew teams out no problem?”

Half a sig that's ridic

by coke on Feb 11, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It's really on Rose to be truthful about how he's feeling. Even if Rose is at 50%, he'll tell

the staff and coach Thibs he’s good to go. He has to be smarter about how he handles these injuries. If he just sat out for a good week, and let his team play I think they’ll be fine. But he’s a competitor and he’ll try to play through injuries, which might be a detriment to the team in the long run. Hopefully he wises up and just sits for a week. He can’t heal properly if he keeps trying to come back from injuries too soon.

On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.

by BlackStar on Feb 11, 2012 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

I just want to say

Bring back Acie Law!

He’s like 100 times better than Lucas

by tuluse on Feb 11, 2012 2:16 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like mike james better than lucas

he shows more poise. Lucas reminds me of an upgraded pargo.

Half a sig that's ridic

by coke on Feb 11, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

man I'm better than Lucas

taller at least

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Feb 11, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm shorter than Lucas

And slower than Kurt Thomas.

That doesn’t change the fact that Acie was the answer for us all.

by tuluse on Feb 12, 2012 2:40 AM CST up reply actions  

This is really kind of a shame

I think he deserves a roster spot somewhere.

by tuluse on Feb 12, 2012 2:44 AM CST up reply actions  

the regular season is getting boring after all these blowouts

this lin thing is so much more exciting right now.

the season games just seem meaningless right now with all the injuries and blowouts,
only games im looking forward to now are against the pacers knicks heat and thunder.

just cant wait till the playoffs. just hope we get to the finish line with everyone healthy and then the real season begins.

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 11, 2012 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

gotta support my peoples

plus does the regular season even matter anymore?

i say its championship or bust every season we have drose and thibs

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 11, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY FRIENDS HERE??

ESPECIALLY YOU!!

LINSANITY!!

by sin on Feb 11, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

We'll manage

Better than you would think….

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Feb 11, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Does anyone else wonder

if coaches are influenced by the organizations in general to list players as game time decisions rather than say that they are not playing in advance? I imagine that ticket sales at the Bobcats game or others in arenas that don’t typically sell out would see some sort of impact if people knew Derrick was or wasn’t playing in advance.

by ChicagoDrew on Feb 11, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

But I’m referring to games that would not be sold out in advance and are in much desperate need of ticket sales. I would think the Bobcats organization and the NBA in general would actually rather not know if Derrick Rose is actually out if it makes them more money through increased ticket sales.

by ChicagoDrew on Feb 11, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope that's not true

I don’t want any more reasons to dislike those guys.

by runningman on Feb 11, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

To put a positive spin on the Rose injuries

There’s always going to be some nagging injuries that you just have to play through. Maybe this season Rose will learn which injuries and pains he can play through and which one’s he can’t. And with the injuries/pains he can play through, he can also learn how to play effectively through them.

He can rest till the playoffs, but will he be 100% even then? If not, it would be a waste if he didn’t have a chance to learn to play through the injuries during the season so that he would be prepared to handle them effectively in the playoffs.

by berzerkulous on Feb 11, 2012 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

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