Bulls 92, Pistons 68: Detroit impressively managed to suck harder than last week
The Pistons stayed within single digits of a Bulls team obviously being paced in the first game of three in three nights. Until the fourth quarter where Detroit managed the feat of logging more than 333% more turnovers than field goals, getting outscored 24-9 en route to the Bulls moving up to 8-2 with the 24-point win at the United Center.
Carlos Boozer (23 points on 9-for-13, eight rebounds, one block in 25:32) got open shots all night with defenders sagging off to help and Derrick Rose (22 points on 8-for-16, eight assists in 32:42) consistently found him after baiting the trap. Boozer and Rose both made the Pistons pay for over-committing every way they wanted to apply pressure and Rose was a killer when all attention wasn't given to him.
The Pistons, on the other hand, showed some strong defense with their aggression at times, but they couldn't compensate for what they lack in I.Q. (or experience) and athleticism. Rodney Stuckey out of the game didn't make matters easier and we got a good look at rookie point guard Brandon Knight (13 points on 6-for-10, five rebounds, four turnovers), another John Calipari boy, who's raw but showed promise. Greg Monroe (14 points on 5-for-9, ten rebounds, six assists) probably showed the most promise, playing most of the game at his more natural power forward slot, though he started at center.
And that's about the best I can about that "NBA team's" performance at the United Center on Monday evening.
The fact is that what we've seen in the Bulls' two meetings with the Pistons has to make you wonder how they're as good as 2-7 on the season so far. Or maybe they're out to prove dead clocks are actually right twice a year day. Sad because I do really like their coach, Knight, and Monroe; but.... NAAAAAH, it's the Pistons, so it's lovely they're bad, am I right?!?
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- The Bulls weren't great offensively. They only shot 45.9% from the floor and 3-for-18 (18.8%) on 3s for a very average .480 eFG%. The ball moved well and smart though, as 19 of their 34 baskets were assisted (six of the first seven) and the turnovers stayed down (ten).
- When awful offense is your best defense. When you have yourself saying that Ronnie Brewer is doing a hell of a job on Ben Gordon (11 points on 4-for-8, four turnovers in 27:00), that's one thing. When 15 minutes later, you're impressed by the job Kyle Korver is doing on him, you have to hit the smelling salts and realize this is exactly why Gordon doesn't get real playing time on a good team: he's too small and can't handle the ball for someone so small to be on a professional basketball court. Credit Brewer for awesome ball denial and Korver for staying aggressive, but if opponents' best defenders are denying Gordon the ball, Gordon's team has serious problems; and if that team doesn't have serious problems, Gordon doesn't see the floor much.
The Pistons came into the game 29th in ORtg (96.1) and 26 in eFG% (.448), according to Basketball-Reference.com. The Bulls came in with the third-best DRtg (97.6) and in the top ten of eFG% (.465) and ORB% allowed (.248), so the result was about as expected with Detroit shooting 39.4% from the floor for an abysmal .401 eFG%, but only getting slightly out-rebounded 41-37 -- grabbing ten offensive boards to the Bulls' 29 defensive. - When a vapid game gets comedic. Detroit shot 6-for-20 (30%) in the second quarter and the fourth quarter needed some Benny Hill or calliope music, as Detroit committed ten turnovers while only scoring three buckets, included passing to complete air at least twice in charitable efforts to give souvenirs to fans. Jason Maxiell even managed to not brick one, but two (!!!) dunks.
- Starters got plenty of rest. The Bench Mob got the call for well over half the second quarter and the starters began getting pulled around the 4:00 mark of the fourth quarter. Richard Hamilton (groin) sat again. Rose and Luol Deng (four points on 2-for-12, five rebounds in 33:48) were the only starters to play 30 minutes, while Korver (eight points on 2-for-7, one block in 32:08), Taj Gibson (nine points on 2-for-7, 5-for-6 on FTs, three rebounds, one block in 20:33), and Omer Asik (zero points, seven rebounds, five fouls in 21:53) all received significant playing time as a very strong defensive unit. Brian Scalabrine and Jimmy Butler even got out there for 2:43 and each got a bucket.
Point: no Bulls were pushed to the bone in this one. - Boozer took A LOT of jumpers. He came into the game shooting 43% on long-2s, but hit 7-of-9 Monday night. They weren't bad looks, but 11 of his 13 shots were jumpers at least ten feet from the basket.
- You just have to love the weeks Brewer's put together to open the season. After scoring 12 points on 6-for-9 shooting in his fifth start for Rip, he's now shooting 53.4% from the field. He missed his only 3-point attempt, bringing his 3P% down to .750; but his eFG% continues to rise, currently at .586 on the year. And the defense is just incredible; to play so aggressive, deny the ball, be a ball hawk, and challenge every shot without fouling is one of the most impressive feat you can get from a perimeter player. The offense is a bonus and it's paying off. (Stats via Basketball-Reference.com)
- The Bulls scored 14 on the Pistons' 18 TOs, 18 fastbreak points in the game, and Tom Thibodeau wants them running more. Since he got here, Thibs has stressed to the team and consistently in press that he wants the team using its defense to create efficient offense: by running the floor on defensive rebounds and turnovers. After the game, he even said he wants the Bulls pushing the pace more after made baskets on the other end, implying the Bulls missed opportunities to catch the Pistons' napping and that's becoming a pattern. I haven't noticed it so much and the Bulls expend so much energy on defense, it doesn't surprise me, but it's something to look for.
- The Bulls were outscored in the paint 28-22. An impressive shutdown by Chicago's interior defense, but only 11 trips to the line in the first three quarters and 22 paint points on the game against a Detroit interior that isn't very intimidating says something. Whether it was pacing for the schedule, laziness, or conserving energy for defense, I can't tell you, but do the math and that's a lot of jumpshots for a Bulls team that's usually bigger than everyone else. [The Bulls took 35 of their 74 shots at least 16 feet from the basket for a .500 eFG% and were only 6-for-13 at the rim. --A.S.]
- Your guess on Rip coming back is as good as mine. He's missed five of the last six games. He's dressing, but he can't get on the floor. The Bulls are built well -- deep enough to wins battles of attrition and stay healthy. Its most important that he's on in March and beyond, but the reps with the teammates need to be there. Hopefully he's in the lineup during this three-game stint.
Monday was the Bulls' fifth game in the last seven days. They're 4-1 in the first five games of nine games in 12 days. They travel to play the Timberwolves in Minnesota Tuesday and come back home to host the Wizards on Wednesday.
Stats via NBA.com [.pdf]; Advanced stats via Hoopdata.com.
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Ooooohhh you're gonna get it when YFBB sees what you said about Ben Gordon.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I was honestly just about to comment.
Ben Gordon is a saint!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 9, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
their = they're
(you deserve it for slamming Ben Gordon)
Also, you’re just plain wrong. If you’re going to put down a former player (or any player for that matter), at least be correct about what you’re talking about.
2007 Chicago Bulls – 49 wins – Ben Gordon: 3rd most minutes on the team (you lie)
2005 Chicago Bulls – 47 wins – Ben Gordon: 4th most minutes on the team (you suck)
You should so something about your revisionist history. :)
meh
pwnt on the there-they're-their
OK, when I say “good”, I mean relevant, not over .500 and slightly watchable.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i don't think relevant stands for first round play-off exit
in a shitty confrence.
Grab it, Jo!
by Jesus Fever on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think sin is referring to 2007 (swept the heat).
But 2005 was definitely relevant to me, that team was fun as hell, the ultimate underdog. Goddamn you Arenas!!
by JockstrapNoah on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
sure it was relevant to us.
the year jay will came to the league and teamed up with curry and chandler was the most exciting time of my life as a bulls fan until d-rose. but i don’t think anybody else really cared for the bulls’ promising youngsters or play-off runs until the epic celtics series. you’re right there was some hype around 2007 team and all those baby bulls stuff but comparing to now it was nothing.
Grab it, Jo!
by Jesus Fever on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're gonna be explaining that one for awhile
and the overall message is gonna get lost, lol. Ben Gordon getting serious minutes on a real title contender is an issue.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
i think Gordon can get minutes on a title contender
i think the argument he can’t is fairly silly. If Jason Terry can win a championship as the 3rd or 4th best player on a team, Ben Gordon can get minutes for a championship contender. Luke Walton got minutes for a contender.
Gordon was the lead guard on a team that won 49 games. The idea that he can’t get minutes on a good team b/c he now plays for a bad team is silly.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Something's just plain off with Ben though
He can be on a good team (he’s proven it) and can do quite well (that shoot out iwht him and Ray Allen—that Ray eventually won but still—was awesome).
But he’s just not as aggressive as he was. He’s more a spot up shooter it seems, and to me Ben was oddly always a better scorer with the ridiculous heavily guarded crazy heave shots….that was his specialty in Chicago, it seemed the wide open jumpers while he still hit em, were less likely to go in than the one’s with multiple guys draped on him.
Maybe Hinrich was a better O PG than we thought (since I don’t see much different out of Stuckey when healthy—other than Stuckey can score a bit more)
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I don't think anyone disagrees that he's not playing as he has before.
And if that’s what Sonty said, no issue. But the implication (and the following defense to confirm) that he’s never gotten big minutes on a “relevant” team, and thus, can’t and never will, is just plain stupid. I mean like, really stupid.
ben Gordon would have done wonders for last year’s Heat. Or last year’s Spurs. Or the last LeBron Cavs. Or that year’s Orlando team. Or… and on and on. Or last year’s Bulls team.
meh
I don't disagree with you
I was merely adding that something is just flat out off with him.
Maybe it’s as Stacey said yesterday (our announcers actually started to give BG some odd credit rather than the annoying rip on him all game that they’ve done), but maybe all this losing has him going through the motions.
It’s just odd,w hen he was here he worked hard every game, he was a focal point on offense, and he brought it. He had crappy games and could be turnover prone, but he had more solid games with incredible, mostly 4th quarter, games that more than made up for it.
His first month in Detroit before he got injured, he was awesome….he got injured and then tried to come back 2 years ago and sucked playing mostly hurt.
But now the last year nad first few weeks this year it’s like we’re watching a whole new player. And yet I didn’t see any visible sings than he lost a step, he just lost his aggressiveness.
I think he needs a change of scenery, but now his contract makes that all but impossible or at worst deeply unlikely for the next 2 years.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I don't think he can start or be the lead guard on a serious contender
and no, it’s not based entirely on how he’s playing now. Yes, he can be an asset on a good team, but I do not believe he can be the lead guard on an elite team, i.e. a title contender.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I just don't think anyone should call him a lead guard...
But he would be sick playing next to DWade in Miami…or next to Kobe…or coming off the bench in Atlanta. BG is just in bad fit right now, on a team that is going nowhere fast.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
I can see that.
As the second scoring option he would be a good fit, but no one can be in the middle with Ben Gordon for some reason. He’s either the answer or the worst shooting guard in history.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Well, there is a definite difference in mind between "lead guard" and big contributor.
I’d quibble with “starter.”
Is this team worse than the one that was signed?
Rose – Watson
Gordon – Brewer
Deng – Brewer
David Lee – Gibson
Noah – Asik
Korver, Bogans, Boozer make $21 million. Gordon and Lee make $21.6million. (or made for the year they were signed, anyway.
I’m not saying they SHOULD have done that nor that I WOULD have done that. But if that was the current team, I think the Bulls are still a legitimate title contender on which Ben Gordon is a starter. And that’s just the one team I know about. I’m sure you could plug him on a lot of teams that are already title contenders, and he wouldn’t make them worse.
meh
they said that every year from Jordan to Rose
and they were wrong every year
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by paddyfairview on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
i gotta ask
what are your thoughts on kirk hinrich…..?
0.o
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Great defender, a bit of a chucker...
The difference with Kirk is that his defense allows you to plug him in the two, but he’s very replaceable — again because of his height. That said, teams can do a lot worse at the backup point. Again, Gordon doesn’t suck; he’s just too small to not be able to play the point. It was just a matter of time where bigger bodies consistently took him out of games. If he could handle the ball better, he could play the point and that wouldn’t be an issue. He can’t, so contending teams will seldom have a use for him; never for the type of money players like him typically get overpaid by bad teams because they cAn cRe8 thAiR ohN Sh0t!!111
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the best defense in the NBA isn't relevant? bullshit
49 wins is 16 games over .500
47 wins is 12 games over .500
First playoff team in 7 years and/or 2nd round teams beating defending champs aren’t relevant? Just let me know where the goalposts will be next.
meh
by tyger1147 on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ben Gordon Sucks-Diddly-Ucks
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
by Yibs on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
NAAAAAAAHHH!
He definitely doesn’t suck, but if your team needs him to not suck, your team’s full of suck weighing down any chance of rising hope.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
nah your just being nice now
height + ball handling + being compared to other 2 guards during the “im gonna draft every 6-6 SG” (remember BG was going against good SG’s at the time b4 the league went PG draft happy) = He sucks…awesome shooter, love his shooting, can shoot his ass off…but he needs to invest in this
or he could have dedicated his years to becoming a PG..seriously if BG could have changed his game to more Stuckey-like at least, he would have been great
I can't tell who's serious and who's joking when people say this anymore.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Clearly Ben Gordon Chicago edition was just a product of Vinny Del Negro's excellent coaching
by chowder on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Trade Gordon to the Clippers!
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Man wth is wrong with noah,smh
he fumbling and bumbling(my walt frazier impersonation) all over the place. he looking weak, he totally messed up a pick he was setting for boozer, looked like one of the detroit guys just totally push him out of position like I do my little brother. his head is not in the game. Asik is looking like a better passer with every new game played,and john lucas looks like he’s getting comfortable out there.
I didn't see the game, so I have a serious question
on ESPN, Nick (blah reporter) mentions the PnR with Rose & Boozer. Now, Thibs even commented that Rose to Boozer pick & roll is hard to stop… yet I feel as though Rose & Boozer never run it outside of the forced boozer slip-screen, which isn’t a real pick & roll.
My question is, did they start doing real pick & rolls? or was it the usual slip screen, and the Pistons just suck THAT much?
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Nah, it wasn't a real pick n roll
As an aside, Rose still stands around pounding the ball way too much for my liking. And when you add that to the fact that it takes him a good 10 seconds to get the ball past half court and get the offense in position, you can see why we might struggle to get good shots from time to time.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Pishh
When several of our set plays involve Rose standing at the top waiting for Korver to come around screens, it’s no wonder it takes the Bulls so long to get set. Although, I will say there were a few times last night where I wanted Rose to stop calling a play on top and waiting for everyone to jog their way into position and just go. He could have caught them napping several times.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Hardly needed it
Save it for a worthy opponent.
After being crowned the best in the league, he’s ready to be the best at his position
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by BigforkBullsFan on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're right...
That’s the pick n’ pop.
To Boozer’s defense, the attention Rose commands when using picks flood the paint, making the hard roll riskier. If Rose was more confident in his lob passing and Boozer could actually go up and get one to throw it down, this wouldn’t be so much an issue. Boozer’s reading the defense fairly well in those spots and Rose is finding him well for open looks.
Usually, when this happens, the PG uses the big’s inept defensive IQ against him by drawing him away from the paint, opening up the lane for the hard roll, where Rose follows with that bounce pass to the hole, in which he and Booz are most confident.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 10, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Think they could do the lob thing with Noah?
Maybe even Brew/Deng, although Deng hasn’t been dunking much at all the past two year, when in 06-07 it seemed he dunked everything.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Boozer played well tonight
If he can consistently hit that midrange shot, the bulls will win the championship this season.
or we'll at least negate Bosh
one of the big reasons we lost that series was that the Bulls player a full shotclock’s worth of defense, then Miami kicked it to Bosh who would swish a mid range jumper. maybe Boozer can match him shot for shot.
jono sucks, booz is inconsistent, rip is missing, d-rose taking it slow, lu is already gassed.
still 8-2 with only three home games. i know it could easily end up 6-4 or 5-5 but considering the core of the team isn’t near their best and all this messed up schedule 8 wins seems pretty good to me.
the best thing about games like this is you keep thinking “oh we aren’t good” and when you take a look at the score you’re 15+ points ahead. i don’t care if it’s detroit. same thing happened against orlando, memphis and even the clips. they have still a lot of room to improve, knowing that makes the heat less scarier. also miami haven’t played against a good team yet. toughest ones were dallas, boston (who are older then neil funk’s parents) and atlanta while we played tougher teams like lakers, clippers, memphis and orlando. and still 1 game behind. real nice.
Grab it, Jo!
I'll take a win where the opponent 'sucks!'
Every win you get is a win (sorry for stating the obvious..)
I love blowouts against bad teams.
I’m not joking. It’s a better indicator of playoff success than winning close games, let alone close games against the better teams.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
OT
Spencer Hawes is making a really strong early push for most improved player. He has a 24.8 PER so far this season while anchoring what’s been the best defense in the league so far. His shooting %s will crash back down to earth, but his rebounding and passing seem vastly improved. I knew we should’ve taken him instead of Noah.*
*I’m kidding. I did actually want Hawes at the time, but I’m pretty ashamed of that fact.
Pat Riley is the devil.
The Sixers frighten me
They handled us fairly easily the last two times we’ve faced them, and they have a lot of the ingredients that give us trouble. They play team ball, and have very solid wing defenders
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if rip not playiniig is more of a pr move as opposed to an injury move
since most of his public comments were about how he was going to play in detroit, maybe the bulls org/coaching staff/whatever decided that in order to not paint rip as a total selfish player (which im not sure anyone cares about so long as he helps us wee-un) they decided to sit him out of this pistons game just to kill off any flames being fanned by those looking to instigate.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
that's too much wondering
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 10, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm always ahead of the line when it comes to bashing Korver's D
but it really has improved. The last 3-4 games he played really, really well on D.
And it showed again when he guarded the amazing BG
I think defensively he's ok (not a plus defender but ok)
Becuase he plays really hard on that side to negate his lack of athleticism.
I think his biggest issue defensively is always that he’s been so trained by Sloan to foul (Utah seemed to always be towards the top of defensive fouls) that he gets in countless and 1 situations, which are infuriating and make his D stand out more.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
One reason the Bulls didn't destroy Pistons earlier is Luol Deng
Luol is in a bit of a slump and can’t hit anything. It’s ok tho, he will comeback
10 games in and Noah still looks like shit.
Pretty much squashes any optimism I have about this season.
He'll be fine.
Or he won’t, and we’re fucked.
I’m going to continue to assume that the lack of preseason, lack of practices, and other scheduling issues have prevented him from refining his timing to the level he needs for success.
I don't think we're fucked.
The Turkish Hammer is already a better defender…the team doesn’t count on points coming from that position.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
He was one of the best 3 centers in the league in November last year.
He was absolutely awesome. That’s the JoNo I want.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 10, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
At what point
are we at the “Oh shit” moment and we start wondering if Omer is a better start than Joakim?
I agree, it’s way too early to start writing Noah off completely, I hope he gets it together, but I think there can be a compelling case to be made for starting Asik right now. I understand that Noah is a better offensive player, but I think you can still make the case for starting Omer. Or at least increasing his minutes load.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Indeed
Jo is playing only 26mpg while Asik is playing 18.
Asik can only help so much. He doesn’t score and gets in foul trouble when he plays too many minutes
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what makes you say that?
that’s a guy averaging 13/13 last year. We are yet to find out what happened to him
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
The problem is that he's playing well below last year
His PER is down to 13.5 from 18.8, his shooting is the worst it’s been in his career by 10%. He has his worst rebounding numbers since his rookie year.
He’s playing well below whatever his ceiling is.
by tuluse on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If he was playing at the ceiling you called no one would be complaining besides you.
He’s playing his worse ball since his rookie year.
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 10, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I expect a tough game tonight with the matchup of young point guards, but there is no way in hell we should lose to the Wizards tomorrow.
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I'm actually worried about eh Wizards
I know I shouldn’t be, but they’re going to win sometime, and they have decent talent. Flip’s not really (And never has been really) a good coach though and they’ve tuned him out. I’m just worried the talented John Wall will actually hit a few shots and make us be the surprise team.
I know it’s stupid, but I can see that happening in the fluke night game….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
the wiz do have the raptors tonight at home
i def find it more likely they win that than tomorrow..
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I would too
But I think we’ll win tonight and then may have the look past this game mode and lay up a brick.
I don’t see the Wizards having any easy wins, but they are very raw talented….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
yeah i dunno
since tomorrow’s game is at home i just don’t see the bulls blowing it.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I got a bad feeling about this one
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bulls lost to the Wizards. Didn’t we lose to NJ (or Charlotte) a year or 2 ago when they were winless?
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
NJ
but that was when they hadn’t won a road game as of yet in that season (2009-2010).
One day you feel like you're on top of the world when you beat the Lakers and then the next night you lose against Golden State. - Joakim Noah
Points per turnover is an unfair analysis in this game. It's not like we were stealing the ball and running on the break
turnover here = a Piston guy throwing the ball into the crowd and we get a out of bounds.
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 7:01 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
And I forgot to mention: I blame Blogabull for that awful loss to Atlanta
we didn’t have a game thread
bad omen
Something that's been nagging me
So much complaining is done about Rose shooting 3’s and yet none has been about Luol Deng. Here’s why. Derrick is shooting .277 for the year. This is poor for a guy shooting between 4 and 5 a game I agree. However, I have two issues. First, Luol is shooting .259 and is still taking 3 a game. Second, Rose has taken 7 true buzzer beaters this year (from half court or beyond). This does not include the 3 to 5 end of shot clock buzzer beaters he has taken, but those should count against him because for all we know, those were Rose’s fault for not penetrating. Without those 7 attempts, Rose is 33%. This is still not a great number for a guy taking 4 a game or so, but he does handle the ball a ton and take a large volume of our shots.
Finally, I do understand the frustration, but couldn’t it simply be that the low amount of practice time combined with lots of games all at once is simply hurting his shooting touch? Deng is struggling immensely too. Does anyone think thagt Deng is actually a poor shooter? Heck, Deng is similar to Rose in that last year was his first high volume 3 point shooting year and now he is down this year. Again, just something that’s been bothering me. I am not terribly concerned with either Rose or Deng.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Neither one should be shooting 4-6 3's a game
That’s not their game. And these woulda coulda shoulda be at 33% doesn’t make a case either way. He’s at 28% and Dengs at 26% so neither one should be taking a half-full of 3’s every game. Especially Rose, the dude can take 2 dribbles and be damn near right by the basket, that’s settling. It’s a legitimate complaint because you don’t want them taking that mindset into the playoffs.
This is ignorant
Rose is shooting 33% on 3point shots on our side of half court. Those are the one’s that matter. I realize that all players take those shots from time to time, but so far this year Deng has taken 0 of them. Korver has taken 0 of them. When the sample size is large (i.e. a full season), those attempts will make far less of a difference (unless of course Rose continues to take .78 shots per game from the other side of half court). Do I necessarily think Rose should be looking to take 4-6 per game? No. Do I think he should drive a bit more, or even head fake and go on some of those threes? Yes. But to address this as a “woulda shoulda coulda” thing is just ignorant. I am not taking into account the rediculous shots he has to take, just the ones on the wrong side of half court. If he ever makes one, I’ll gladly take that out as well.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
This guy
Me saying I want Rose to take less 3’s is ignorant? So do you just blindly love everything about this team and think they have no faults? Rose can do no wrong? His game is absolutely 100% perfect to you I take it?
3 of every 10 of his shots are 3's
And when your hovering around 20 shots again that’s almost 6 3’s to be taking for someone that can get ANYWHERE on the court. Period, that’s all I’m saying. Am I saying drive every damn time, no, theres other places on the court close to the basket he can shoot without the punishment. You gonna want him taking all those 3’s against Miami when they’ve shown all season they can turn those misses into 2 quick points? Love it how you wanna call people ignorant for saying he should take less 3’s. You wanna blindly love everything about this team fine, but they got faults. They’re not perfect man.
Agreed
I’d take it one step further… I haven’t seen evidence where Rose’s 3pt shooting has hurt the team. Rose isn’t Russell Westbrook coming down and taking unwarranted shots while there’s a better option on the floor. Rose is taking those shots because while he’s out there with the starting lineup, he’s the only option. I’d love to see what Rose shot attempts are while playing with Korver.
I think it’s important for him to always be a threat to shoot the 3. As long as teams honor that shot, teams won’t go under on the screen and it will give Rose the room to drive to the bucket at important times of the game. I’m not sure what people are exactly complaining about. I wonder if people just want the guy to drive to the basket for their own selfish purposes than to actually see better results on the court.
It saves him wear and tear and it doesn’t stop him from being aggressive when it matters. When Rose is playing with Ray Allen, then complain about his 3 attempts. Until then I don’t get the constant criticism.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Jan 10, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The wear and tear is a huge issue
As strong as he is, a 6-3 player going hard to the basket getting fouled is going to cause some damage from time to time. Do I want him becoming a 3 point shooter all the time or settling for them? No. But his shot selection as been much better this year. Rose’s TS% is up a couple percent, despite having one of the worst shooting nights of his career the other day. 36% of Rose’s FGA are at the rim this year. Compare that to 32% of his shots at the rim each of the previous two seasons. Rose is actually taking a higher percentage of shots at the rim than he has in the past. Combine that with 6FTA/G at a 90% clip, Rose is doing quite well.
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by DRose01 on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
does anyone really want Rose to stop shooting 3s as much as just hoping more go in?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You always hope they go in, doesn't mean you don't want em shooting it
Especially watching Miami this year taking long missed jumpshots and bam, 2 points the other way.
I just want him to take less
Shoot the wide open ones. Mix a few heat checks in there, but just get rid of all the other
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he forced against Detroit
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
No, yesterday was fine
He had a couple heaves that made things look worse
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Pump fake a three, drive to the paint, perhaps?
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
well, you need to hit some 3s to make people fall for the pump fake
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
He has games where he does
And he shoots so many…does anyone defending him expect the pump fake?
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Let ask this
Do we need defenders playing his 3 ball so he can drive? He can already drive, can he not keep doing what he’s been doing? Using the threat of his drive to get open 3s?
I don't mind if Rose shoots a hundred 3s
I just don’t like when he settles for the long shots and doesn’t drive to the basket. As long as those things are in balance he can machine gun those bitches
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I actually want Deng to take more 3s
We need someone to open up some space and he’s the best shooter among the starters. He needs to take at least three 3s a game.
Also, Deng is only taking 2.7 per game down from 4.1 last year.
I don’t really have a problem with most of the 3s Rose is taking either. He really only went crazy with them against the Warriors, most of the time he is wide open, and I want him taking that shot.
by tuluse on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Deng is just on a bad streak
he will catch up. Better than he brick it now and warm up for later
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
bq. dead clocks are actually right twice a year.
You mean twice a day
Boozer was awesome yesterday
I thought again the Pistons played wiht a bit more heart than you’d expect (much as they did what last week maybe in Detroit) but the Bulls depth and all out 48 minutes really just showed the lack of talent on that current Pistons roster.
THis is the Boozer we need to see, and funny enough I think that’s the same Boozer we see most nights, but it’s on Thibs and Rose and the Offense to play to that Boozer.
THe Pistons were giving him the open jumper, but anytime they sagged in to guard him he’d make a nice little pass around the court (Whcih often because of good ball movement would lead to a second pass easy score).
I know the Pistons aren’t defensive stalwarts, but still we can see more of this Booz, and I think Thibs is starting to realize it (to the detriment of my fantasy team that features Joakim Noah).
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would still like to see booz drop step,
or that front foot spin he would mix up to the middle or the outside. he would get insanely easy layups on those last year. (and would get called for travelling sometimes, but still)
by obnoxious american on Jan 10, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
OK I'll catch hell for being a Boozer hater but...
Nothing changed last night. It’s the same Boozer, getting the same shots, playing the same defense. The only thing that changed is that they went in. Taj gets killed for taking the same shots that Boozer’s gets praised for hitting once every few games. Yes he played better last night but it’s only because he shot like 75% from the field.
I don’t hate the guy but I only point this out because what we need to beat the Heat is more than a pick and pop guy. We need a guy that’s going to get to the line as well as hit those jumpers. That shot will always be there for Boozer and it will always look great when he’s hitting them. Miami can afford to let Bosh shoot like a SG because they got two guys that can get to the line. We have Derrick and that’s it and he already has his hands full playing PG and trying to create shots for everyone else.
When Boozer can get the ball on the block and either gets points or get to the line. You’ll then see him demand double teams. When he does that, you’ll see even more open shots for people. Until then, he’s Brad Miller on a good day and I don’t think that’s enough from our starting PF.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Jan 10, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Taj gets killed bc he doesn't have anywhere near the jumper Boozer does.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
I wish people could criticize one player without framing it in the context of how 'we' criticize another
saying how ‘Taj gets killed’, as if there’s a consensus there in the first place, has nothing to do with how to look at Boozer’s game.
(and I’m blaming Dils here, not the response)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 10, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Hey there's nothing untruthful about it
Nor was I trying to defend Taj. Fact is shots are shots whether Taj is missing them or Boozer is hitting them. It adds context to the fact that our PFs are taking nothing but jumpshots. Neither is a good thing but when Boozer is making them, it’s no better than he or Taj missing them.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Taj would also get criticized for taking the shots Kyle Korver does
I’m not sure what your point is
by tuluse on Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well when Taj is a wing player getting paid to shoot 3s let me know.
My point is that our PFs are getting their offensive production by shooting too many jumpshots. So my point is, let’s not say Boozer is playing great and being effective because he’s making nothing but jumpshots and at the same time bitch every time Taj launches one. It’s not good in either case. Yes I know Boozer has a better jumpshot but him settling on it for production isn’t any better.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Wait, what?
but him settling on it for production isn’t any better.
If he’s much better with that shot, it in fact very much is better when he settles for said shot than when Taj (who is much worse jump-shooting) settles for it.
by jpx7 on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well what changed is he got more shots
Or opportunities to score as the #2 man he should be in our offensive schemes.
He got up 13 shots in 25 minutes, and for the season before the game he was at 12.4 shots for 33 minutes.
When Boozer is integrated he scores, when we forget about him, he doesn’t and we notice his D deficiencies more.
Plus how awesome are the Bulls on Offensive Rebound rate, I mean we’re great there.
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I disagree
Yes he was still taking jump shots, but there weren’t the same as earlier in the year. I only saw one face up force a shot over a guy’s hand.
Instead he was moving well without the ball and finding spaces for a catch and shoot. He was really open on a lot of his shots.
by tuluse on Jan 10, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
The only hope is that by hitting all of these jumpers, Booz at least sets up the opportunity to take the ball to the hole.
Also, at least he is scoring. So maybe this also makes him more confident, kind of like how making lay-ups can impact the player’s ability to hit a jumper later in a game.
Bottom line is, you’re definitely not alone in waiting for Booz to show some post scoring.
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Your problem is that you expect Boozer to be something that he is not
Booz is that player that played against the Pistons. He grab boards, he has a nice mid range shot and good position on offense. And I actually think he is trying on D (he will never be very good tho).
You keep talking as if you expect us to trade Boozer or that he will become other sort of player. Ain’t gonna happen. And amnesty doesn’t make us any better (at least not this season) and it’s not an option anyway.
So judge Booz for what he is. If he misses his opens shots, curse him, but don’t expect him to go all Shawn Kemp on teams.
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of his defense, the ESPN.com gamecast said he blocked a dunk. Is this true??
Also, I believe part of the disappointment is that what you state is true: he IS the guy we saw in this Pistons game. But if you recall, he was brought in last year as the requisite low post scorer. to compliment the perimeter game of Rose So yeah, there’s definitely some unmet (unrealistic?) expectations there.
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he did, just before the left the game for good. Pretty much like he did with McRoberts
Booz is a big improvement over what we had in the last few years, including Taj. He is not what we really needed but what we could get. He makes the team better. He can score inside – although he is not a beast in there – and from midrange. Anyone who expected more than that really has unrealistic expectations, IMO.
Honestly, I think the Bulls need him to be at best but he doesn’t need to bring more than what he can do. And the same goes with Deng, Rose, Noah, Rip and the others. Specially with Noah. Jo is much farther away from what he can do than his current state. If Rose can play like the MVP, Noah can be Noah again, Deng keeps bringing his A game, the Pistons’ Boozer will do just fine.
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree for two reasons
You can’t compare the shots Booz and Taj take. Boozer shoots over 40% from deep midrange for his career. Taj has yet to have one season where he shoots over 40%. Now, Taj is on a bit of a cold streak, but there is a difference.
Second, Boozer was actually more assertive and confident last night. I don’t believe I saw him take that single dribble fade away. Last night it was catch and shoot, not catch dribble and shoot. He also got to the line from attacking off a pick and roll situation twice late in the game. These are things that he had not done earlier this year. I’ll agree that it was worlds better, but there were noticeable differences.
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by DRose01 on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I do like when Booz catches and shoot without the extra stuff
Same with Brew
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True
but also the difference is that he actually has a post game that he can use. Taj doesn’t. So for Boozer to rely and lean on his jumpshot to get production is only as valuable as the amount he makes. Yes it worked last night. But when it isn’t falling and he refuses to go on the block, it’ll be the same Boozer many complain about.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I can respect that notion
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by DRose01 on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bulls killing offenses at home
It’s a bit of an obscure record, but a notable mark nonetheless, one provided by the Elias Sports Bureau. In the NBA’s shot clock era (since 1954), this year’s Bulls (206) and 76ers (221) have allowed the fewest points in their first three home games.
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Also via Elias, the Bulls are now 13-0 against the Pistons over the last four calendar years, the best record for any NBA team against a particular opponent over that span.
206 is less than 68.7 points allowed per home game. Ridiculous, even if only over a three-game span.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 10, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A few interesting things through the first 10 games
1) Rose – USG% is way down, went from 32.2% to 26.7%. This will probably be a good thing come playoff time. Despite lower USG, Rose’s PER has only dropped a point. His TS% is up about 1% despite one of his worst games of his career. And perhaps most interestingly, his % of FGA taken at the rim is actually up from 32% the past two seasons, to 36%. That’s fantastic. The only concern with Rose right now is that his turnovers are up. He will need to bring those down if the Bulls are to be successful in the playoffs.
2) Noah – What you see is what you get. His rebound percentages and block percentages are all down. Worst of all, his TS% is down 10% and his TOV% is the highest of his career! Bottom line, Noah is out of shape and playing poorly. Hopefully he will play himself back into shape.
3) Boozer – BLK% and STL% are both up (the BLK% by more than double!). Rebounding numbers are down a bit. Here is something interesting. Despite taking a lower percentage of shots at the rim, Boozer’s TS% is up! Interpret that as either “He is taking smarter shots and hitting them” or “Eventually his shooting will slump and his TS% will suffer.” Here is something very disturbing though (and I’m serious here), Boozer’s AST% is way down. It is the lowest of his career. This means Boozer’s passing is not being utilized nearly enough. This has to change.
4) Brewer – Higher USG%, higher TS%, higher PER. Doing a great job, but hitting 75% of threes won’t last. Hopefully the midrange game is here to stay though and Brewer will help a ton come playoff time.
5) Deng – Has been solid defensively, but poor offensively. Deng will need to pick things up before the playoffs. Deng has always been a solid midrange shooter, but it’s failing him right now. The plus, this current percentage is the lowest of his career by a ton. Those numbers will come up.
6) Hamilton – Oh wait, he hasn’t played in 10 games yet. Poopy.
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by DRose01 on Jan 10, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
On Boozer
the way he is being utilized in the offense won’t lead to assists. His ast% is down but his tov% is also down (not as dramatically) and I think that because he is being used in more catch and shoot situations than being asked to create for himself. You replace Bogans with Brewer/Hamilton and you get another passer / ball handler on the floor which takes pressure off Boozer to handle the ball and create for himself. Plus the Bulls offensive sets have been better this year, leading to more players getting the ball in a position to finish when they catch the ball. He hasn’t been a black hole so I’m not worried about his passing. (Plus a lot of his passes are underneath to Noah who hasn’t been finishing this year).
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 10, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Brewer:
“Why cant I be the best three point shooter of all-time? Why?”

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