Yet more fallout from Detroit: Minutes load, injury updates, and more
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2012 6:03 AM CST
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PrintSince the Bulls latest back-to-back sweep, Bulls observers have gone through the 'hmm, Thibs is sure playing these guys a lot' and the 'this is ridiculous, he's playing them too much' stages. Now it's apparently the 'calm down all y'all back in stage two' stage.
In the immediate post-Pistons-game reaction in the BaB comments (always dangerous, I admit), there was some scrutiny of the Bulls media corps for not pressing Tom Thibodeau in the scrum about playing the starters with the game in hand. I reasoned that it's not like it's a new issue, and they're probably tired of being shot down by Thibs, who's confident in his style due to his success, and rightfully so.
And now instead we get this piece from the Trib's KC Johnson about how Thibs is just like everyone else. The Cliff'sNotes version:
- Everybody worth a damn plays a lot. Maybe a little less than Rose and Deng do, but those two are young, so fudge the math a bit.
- You know who else played a lot of minutes? MICHAEL JORDAN. His coach? PHIL JACKSON. So there.
- Rose and Deng are cool with it.
- Brian Scalabrine calls the entire idea 'laughable'. (coach on the floor, indeed!)
There is also actual good stuff in there about how Thibs manages his off-days and shootarounds, and appropriate comparison of the Thibs-assisted and lockout-scheduled '99 Knicks.
The tone wavers between 'Thibs knows best' and 'just stop asking', which is appropriate I suppose. It's not like if Rose and Deng are tiring by the playoffs, and someone on the frontcourt is hurt again, that we'll all be happy to say 'I told you so' when referencing this strategy.
But it's definitely valid to question specific situations where some rest would be better, even if we recognize the Thibs method and the realities of the NBA.
Coincidentally, some injury follow-ups (and other stuff)!
- The Bulls didn't practice and neither Rose or Thibs commented, but 'someone with knowledge of the situation' told the Sun-Times that Rose's elbow is sore but has mobility. No indication either way on Friday night in Orlando.
- What was apparently buried was an update on Rip Hamilton's groin injury. Courtesy of a heads-up commenter, from CSNChicago:
"First quarter was good; I think just adrenaline. Second quarter, I felt a little pull, but there was no way that I was getting off the court. So I’ve just got to ice it down, get treatment, stim [electronic stimulation]," said Hamilton, who described his groin as "sore" after the game.
- It's from a Pistons perspective, but a cool breakdown of the Thibodeau defense in action.
- Something that sparked my interest over at Mavs Moneyball, about how the Mavericks have filled the back-end of their roster with failed prospects Brandan Wright, Sean Williams and Yi Jianlian, and the possible motives including future trade-fodder. I'm often curious why the Bulls don't go this route, or maybe even younger players to stash in the D-League. They are stashing Mirotic in Europe, of course, and every roster's different, but it's of note that the Bulls prefer to stay at the minimum required roster and using pseudo-coaches who aren't NBA-caliber players. No, I'm not sold on John Lucas though (because?) he's shot the three extremely well.
- Random note from the business end of the Org., from ESPNChicago's Jon Greenberg.
Mike Reinsdorf changes Bulls' biz structure, hiring Susan Goodenow (from Red Sox) as VP Branding/Comm. John Viola promoted 2 VP Corp Sales....Goodenow, Viola, Irwin Mandel, Steve Schanwald & Keith Brown make up new Exec Committee. Michael Reinsdorf is Pres/COO.
You may recall Irwin Mandel as the Bulls salary cap guru, and Schanwald for this. I'd say they have some obvious changes to make on the marketing/branding end, but then realize I'm not the typical target audience.
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In Thibs defense
LeBron and Wade play 36mpg and are both broken.
(Damn you Atlanta for losing to a James-less Wade-less Heat)
And Deng has not had a single injury since playing heavy minutes
Can’t stop the Deng Train
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 6, 2012 6:38 AM CST up reply actions
The Speed Theory remains in effect.
"The flames on his pants looked way too.... Bam Bam Bigelow-y."
- Comment on Bleacher Report about Kane's new digs.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 6, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
The Speed 2 Theory is still derivative crap though...
Schindler's List is, at the most basic level, a remake of Jurassic Park... ~Zizek
by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 6, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Thibs is rubbing John Lucas in your face
"I thought John (Lucas) was terrific. I told you guys all along. That doesn’t surprise me."
i like luc
As a 3rd string + id take his 3 over kyle.
by Belize on Jan 6, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
hmmm
john luc (pricard) the replacement of captain kirk…..
o_0
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
we know good players play a lot of minutes.
leaving them in the game with 2 minutes left and 14 point lead is just asking for stupid shit to happen.
by obnoxious american on Jan 6, 2012 9:06 AM CST reply actions
yeah, but...deal with it!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
i love how fatuous that KC shit is. this is sports, complaining is exactly how people deal with "it".
well that and drinking i guess.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
who else just learned a new word today?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I can't tell you how much irritation
this recursive discussion inspires.
Recursive.
by BNielson on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
R...e...c...u...r...s...i...v...e
Recursive
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Derrick Comedy references are the win.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
by Prevenge on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
youve never seen the Big Lebowski?
Maude: “Lord, you can guess where it goes from here.”
The Dude: “He fixes the cable?”
Maude: “Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey.”
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
You see a lot of quotes on the internet from the Dude and Walter
Going to Maude deserves some reverence. Well played.
by BNielson on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And very thorough
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
derrick's playing tonight,
yee haw
by obnoxious american on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
wait a minute
is yee haw just a redneck way of saying “yeah”
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
WOOOO... PARTAAAAY!!!
(Wait, where am I????)
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
William Carlos Williams reference
You win the thread
by BNielson on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Screw WCW
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
He is most assuredly not my taste.
To be honest, I appreciate him a lot more now than I did 5~6 years ago … but I still don’t like him.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
also depends on your rednecks
That’s more of a south west redneck, your garden variety Illinois redneck will not use the phrase yee haw.
He even said as much
It’s fine. If it was messed up, I still wouldn’t tell you.
per Teddy Greenstein’s twitter
by torch on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
JLIII is raising that banner after playing zero minutes in the Finals
he’ll have the last laugh. I’m not that concerned with JLIII. If CJ Watson was going to be out for an extended period, I’d be more worried.
More concerning to me is that the Bulls need a 3rd center. Just another big body to bang in case Omer or Noah get hurt. Preferably someone not named Chris Richard.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm looking forward to Deng abusing Turkoglu tonight
Thibs got his team a chemistry set for Christmas
by livesinnoahsbasement on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions
I'm worried about Howard doing hte same to Noah....and Howard's better than Deng...
Noah doesn’t seem to play well against Howard even when he was rolling. But that’s just from what I remember, not from looking at the stats.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
not really that worried about dwight going off
he had 40/15 against us before and we still won.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I'm worried about Howard throwing the hammer down on D-Rose.
Sore elbow and everything.
im waiting for the day drose dunks on dwight
The same way mj did ewing
by Belize on Jan 6, 2012 11:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Unlikely
Everytime he flies high on Dwight, he does a a hard foul and throws the kid on the floor
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
If you can't beat 'em...
Join ’em Physically beat them.
dot dot dot
by Johannes Factotum on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think stat heads do get a bit too wrapped up in minutes
I mean let’s say 32.5 is the typically MPG for an average starter, and the top 20 MPG guys average 37.2 (they do this year :)), I don’t know what the typical 5 man rotation is. I don’t think having guys in the 35-40 MPG is a huge deal, especially given our youth.
THE ONLY THING that is annoying is when teh games at hand (which for all purposes the Detroit game was almost from the tip, but especially from the time with Rose’s elbow injury) and Thibs has him or Deng still out there.
I mean there’s been plenty of games even the Memphis mockery game, where Deng could ahve sat 5-6 minutes sooner (if not really 24 minutes sooner—but I get playing him some of those minutes for fantasy folks nad for teh fans and him).
It’s just when the games at hand, there’s no purpose playing guys who’ve already logged past the typical average minute per game for a starter….in any season….nott just this shortened one.
But oh well, if the complaints are on MPG instead of on wins, I’d rather it be on MPG….
Injuries can happen if a guy plays 1 minute or 48 minutes in a game, I know the more minutes they play the greater chance of an injury, but still you roll with what you have. I just think stop putting your stars into positions where they could make an injury in an unnecessary end of game moment.
On another point, anyone know how to find the average minute per game a starter has?
Even better would be to see if your starting PG plays x minutes, starting C plays X minutes, etc….
It would just be kind of curious. It’s probably buried in basketball-reference.com someplace (which is where I grabbed that top 20 MPG average above)….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
The body adjusts well to physical demands
Anyone who played organized ball will tell you that it is ramping up to a high level of minutes that makes you tired or could injure. Once you reach a steady state your body adjusts to that level of activity- I don’t think consistently playing big minutes hurts as much as suddenly being forced into a 46 minute 2-OT game then playing the next night would hurt.
Well I'm not (and presumably you aren't)
A top tier NBA starter athlete….
Or a superstar NBA athlete (and NBA athletes are some of the best in the world)…
So I think that changes that discussion from the common joe.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Not unlike young pitchers in baseball.
The most stressful increase in innings isn’t from 180 to 220+, but instead more drastic, multiplicative increases (say from 70 IP to 150 IP).
Pitchers are pansy's
Deal with it.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Might help your burn if you knew/used the distinction between possessives and plurals.
Deal with that.
by jpx7 on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Oooohhhh
You just served him and his middle school English teacher.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my fiance is a 11th grade english teacher in nowhereville, IL
They haven’t figured it out by then either D:
"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard
Doesn't sound like RIP will play tonight.
One day you feel like you're on top of the world when you beat the Lakers and then the next night you lose against Golden State. - Joakim Noah
oops we signed an old man
::worried face::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
At least he won't be able to chase me off his lawn with a pulled groin.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
No no no no you're so stupid, you stupid face.
Rip Hamilton just missed a bunch of games over the last few years because he wasn’t having fun! There’s no possible way his body could break down after putting after so many years of deep playoff runs!
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I stand corrected after reading the Friedell chat. I am worried
Lee (Somewhere)
How concerned should we be about Hamilton’s groin injury?
Nick Friedell
(2:08 PM)
Concerned. I don’t think Hamilton is going to play tonight and after hearing him speak this morning, I don’t think he’ll play tomorrow. He said the groin injury was something he dealt with in Detroit. The Bulls are going to have to watch him closely.
by Option27 on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Gonna have to tell the girls to climb on top
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Kinda pissed not that it seems like he pushed it to play against that shitty Pistons team
Especially when we have real games (like tonight) coming up. I understand wanting to play against your former team, but come on man, there was no one in the fucking building. I would’ve taken one look at that crowd and said “Aww, fuck it.”
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
*Kinda pissed NOW
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
especially after seeing Friedell’s recent tweet (retweeted by our fearless leader):
@ESPNChiBulls Rip did not sound optimistic about playing tonight. Admitted that there was no way he wasn’t going to play in Detroit.
Clearly, he had to know the Orlando game would be a more difficult win than the Detroit game, but forced it anyway. Honestly, it seems pretty selfish.
All I know is, if he comes back on Wednesday to show the Wizards what they missed out on
I’m gonna burn the Rip Hamilton jersey that I don’t own
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And, actually, after reading this piece in the Tribune
it just solidifies the selfishness of the decision (link). Also, Rose doesn’t sound thrilled about Hamilton’s absence:
"There was no way I was going to sit out that game," he said Friday after the team’s shootaround. "The adrenaline alone (made me feel like): ‘You’re good.’ I don’t care who would tell me how hurt I was. I was playing regardless.
"It pulled in the game, so I wrapped up. (Thursday) it was bothering me. We’ll see."
Hamilton, 33, said the groin is no better since Thursday.
"The groin is crazy," he said. "It’s one of those things that can be nagging. I thought I was good and ready to come back. But nobody could have kept me off that floor anyway. Damn, I was going to play."
Derrick Rose, who will play tonight with a sore left elbow, does not sound optimistic about Hamilton.
"It’s gonna hurt us, especially when you lose a player like that," he said. "But we’re ready for anything. We have other guys on the team ready to step in. We’ll definitely miss him tonight."
I think it's obvious that Rose is just pissed because Rip is stealing his favorite words:
The groin is crazy
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
my groin is also crazy
can never keep that thing in check
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
right now I'm imagining Quagmire's
crazy pelvic every-which-way thrusting dance
"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard
it was a selfish move, but he still got clearance to play
sure we don’t know how much he was pushing team doctors/trainers to let him play, but it didn’t seem like there was much press urging him to sit. and the guy is human. i understand letting his emotions get the best of him and convincing himself that he’s ready. unless he really prolongs his absence with this move, it actually doesn’t bother me that much.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Yeah, it was kind of a selfish move
I don’t know if his continued play prolonged his rehabilitation time, but if he misses a lot more games I won’t be happy with him.
you forgot the two periods in his name.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
As others have noted...
there are two distinct issues at play. It may well be reasonable to rely on Thibs judgment with respect to average minutes played, but I don’t see how anyone can argue that it is sensible to keep Rose and/or Deng in at the end of games that are clearly in the bag. Nothing positive can result from that kind of management, and yet injuries are always a possibility.
I disagree that "nothing" positive can result from that kind of management
For one thing, you don’t have teams coming back from 11 points down with 3 minutes to go like the Bulls did against the Lakers, or 19 down with a quarter to go like the Bulls did against the Hawks. Teams come back from big leads all the time, and Thibs is determined that will never happen to his team.
Another part of it is what Thibs said. He expects 100% effort the whole game, no matter what the score is. He doesn’t believe there is ever a time where you start to think the game is “in hand” and ease off the gas. Taking all your starters out would send a message he doesn’t want to send. It’s that philosophy that ensures his team keeps fighting when they’re down big and also when they’re up big. You’ll never hear Thibs use the phrase “garbage time”. I’d argue that his philosophy is a big reason why the Bulls outperformed their
I think we’re allowed to question it, and it scares me when I see the starters in past where I think it’s likely that they’re needed. At the same time, I think this is part of an overall philosophy that enables Thibs to win more games than any other coach would with this team. You’re never going to separate him from this style no matter how much you complain, and I know I’d rather have Thibs and the extra minutes over any other coach and less Rose/Deng in garbage time.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
End of the second paragraph is supposed to be
“why the Bulls outperformed their expectations going into last year.”
Semantics...
We’re starting to deal with semantic distinctions. When I say the game is “in the bag”, I mean that barring an exceedingly rare collapse (i.e. the team in front makes numerous mistakes, misses shots, etc., and the other team fully capitalizes), the team that is well ahead will win.
The Bulls have an elite defensive team, which includes several of their back-ups (e.g. Brewer and Asik), so the likelihood of them blowing a big lead in the final couple of minutes is even more remote.
As far as message sending goes, I don’t agree with your perspective. I’d prefer to see Thibs send the message that he has confidence in his second-team to maintain a big, late lead. Whatever players are in at the end of a game should be expected to give 100% effort, so that’s not a relevant point.
by Paul Warfield on Jan 6, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It's not semantics, I understood exactly what you meant
I’m making the case that Thibs doesn’t believe there is any such thing as “in the bag”, and that even if it is, he doesn’t want to change anything. His philosophy is that you play the same way every minute of every game, and the score is irrelevant. If he’s not just playing lip service, and truly believes it, why would he change the way he coaches based on the score? You may want Thibs to coach more like other coaches, but if he did his team wouldn’t be the “overachievers” that they are.
Part of the reason the Bulls are an elite defensive team is because of the way Thibs enforces maximum effort at all times, no matter how remote the chances of them losing are. He gets mad when they allow a basket in the final second of 10 point game. This is my point… you may think you can pick and choose the good/bad parts of Thibs, but I think that they flow from the same place. His manic attention to detail produces both the best defense in the league and overworked starters. It’s exceedingly rare to overcome a 19 point deficit in one quarter, if Thibs didn’t have his team trained to ignore the score, do they come back or give up like most teams would?
It’s fine if you don’t agree with my perspective, but it is a valid perspective. Thibs sent the message in the Atlanta game that he trusts his reserves and if they are playing the best, they’ll stay on the floor. Every coach expects his team to give 100% effort, how many of them actually get it? It’s not something you can just say during huddles, it’s something you enforce through consistency, starting with the coach.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you didn't...
because if you had understood, then you wouldn’t have used examples such as the Atlanta and Laker games. The Bulls were up 18 with 2:56 to go. What would you have made the odds of them blowing that lead with Brewer, Asik, Taj, etc. on the floor? They couldn’t be trusted to hold that lead? Please.
Again, the maximum effort thing is not relevant, as it applies to all players. If the second team had showed signs of allowing big leads to dwindle in the final moments, then I could understand Thibs’ reluctance to take chances. But that hasn’t happened, has it?
you may think you can pick and choose the good/bad parts of Thibs, but I think that they flow from the same place. bq.
They flow from the same place, therefore Thibs shouldn’t be criticized, and might not be better off adjusting the “bad” parts?
by Paul Warfield on Jan 6, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Somehow you can't understand the point that I made 15,000 times
that it doesn’t matter what the odds were, because that’s not part of the calculation he makes.
When did I say he shouldn’t be criticized? You’d think you’d include that part in the quote if I ever said it or hinted at it. I am saying that it’s not going to change no matter how much you criticize him, and that you should also recognize that there are positives that flow from his stubbornness. if he was less obsessive, the Bulls would have less wins.
I’m willing to take that tradeoff.
If it's not part of the calculation he makes...
then it’s a clear failing on his part, and there is good reason to criticize it.
Nothing that I have said suggests that I don’t appreciate the positive elements of his personality (or his coaching). I’m delighted to have him as the Bulls coach, just as I am delighted to have Rose on the team. But both of them have weaknesses, and while everyone can see that Rose is striving to improve his game, you and I apparently disagree on whether or not Thibs is capable of developing as a coach in this particular vein.
Perhaps, as you suggest, he is too stubborn to make the adjustment.
As far as changing Thibs (or the Bulls front office, or a particular player’s approach to the game), I don’t believe that anyone who posts on this forum is naïve enough to think that their contributions are likely to have that kind of impact.
Finally…
if he was less obsessive, the Bulls would have less wins.
that may be true. What isn’t clear, however, is whether or not they would get as far, or perhaps even farther into the playoffs, if he managed players minutes more conservatively.
by Paul Warfield on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Your last name is way, way too close to Westphal.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Paul needs a new job
He’s probably on every team’s blog, talking about the terrible decisions made by their coach.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"What the hell! Why are you making Derrick Rose pass?"
“That’s the opposite of good offense”
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
also...
I think this is part of an overall philosophy that enables Thibs to win more games than any other coach would with this team. bq.
That may be true…at least until Rose gets hurt either by some pissed off opponent who resents the starters being in so late in a blow-out, or by sheer bad luck.
by Paul Warfield on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
We don't matter for marketing purposes.
we are already hooked. Doesn’t matter what the ad people do, we’re still going to talk about the bulls on off days, quibble over minutes, buy tix/merch, etc. Marketing is what got the Atlanta game the highest ratings yet for CSN and why my little sister and girlfriend want Rose jerseys. I’d say they are doing a pretty good job, of late.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Random thought of the day
I wish Rip would convince Sheed to come out of retirement and be the Bulls 5th big
yeah that may be an issue
but if he is not too bad he can do it before the playoffs
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
He had a whole season of playing with Boston
and never really got in shape.
he wouldn't play much
4 minutes, one 3 pointer, 2 boards and a technical foul
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I have never attempted electronic stimulation on my groin.
Only manual.
"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose
by chapuforyou on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
treat yoself
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I knew someone was coming with this
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 6, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and I knew someone was coming with that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When I feel a pull on my groin,
that’s when I know the game’s just getting interesting.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Me and a buddy got into a fight over an xbox controller when I was younger
he had brought his over, and he wanted to take mine which worked better. After arguing and tugging it back and forth for a while, I proposed that we settle it like men. I suggested that we take turns kicking each other in the groin, and that whoever gave up first would lose the controller. Since it was my house, I got to go first. So I wind up and kick him as hard as I could, right in the groin. He doubles over and is basically motionless for like 10 minutes. He eventually got up and says in a squeaky voice that it’s his turn now.
“That’s okay,” I said, “you can keep it.”
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
It's weird that Hamilton reinjured his groin so quickly
When I pull my groin it usually takes at least an hour before it results in injury.
And then he'd miss 22 of 26 shots
because he’s KOBE
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
by Prevenge on Jan 6, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Kobe would play if you cut off his arms and legs and replaced his eyes with firecrackers.
But Kobe isn’t on this team so I don’t really give two shits.
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He did in 2003
But then his wife caught him getting his groin pulled
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Jan 6, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because I'm bored (Friedell chat)
Brandon (Chicago) Among the biggest flaws I see this year is the starting 5’s D. Why isn’t this group clicking?
Nick Friedell (2:30 PM) Because nobody trusts Boozer to play consistent defense.
Tom (Chicago) Hey Nick. Love your work. Why don’t Noah and Boozer work better together? Their games seem to complement each other with Boozer being more polished offensively and Noah facilitating, cleaning up the glass and helping on d.
Nick Friedell (2:05 PM) I think the biggest reason is because they take up the same space on the floor. It always seems like they are in each other’s way. The other big problem is that I think that Noah, like most of his teammates, is getting increasingly frustrated with Boozer’s defense, or lack thereof.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 6, 2012 2:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No can be more frustrated than Thibs
Who eats. breaths , sleeps, and makes sweet, sweet love to defense.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who takes it for long walks in the park and feeds it a homemade lunch
Whispers in it’s ear that he’s never gonna give it up, or let it down.
Tucks it in at night, and just listens to it breathe while he lays there.
Rubs it’s feet after a hard day it work and listens to it bitch about it’s co-worker, offense, who would be nothing without D.
Knows it so well that he can finish it’s sentences, tell when it’s sad without it speaking, and knows just what to do to make it smile…
Is anyone else getting a little warm?
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
He lets defense pick the movie
it is usually game film
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Jan 6, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Thibs:
“We’re no strangers to looooove, defense,
you know the rules – and so do I!
A good commitment’s what I’m thinking of,
you wouldn’t get this from any other guy!
I just want to tellyou how I’m feeling,
got to make you understand -
Never gonna give you up,
never gonna let you down,
never gonna fool around and desert you,
never gonna make you cry,
never gonna say goodbye,
never gonna tell a lie,
and hurt you.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
If Boozer played defense, he would lose time to shouting.
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
by jrobulls on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey
the Heat are benching Wade and James with less than severe injuries (and still winning games the bastards). Should we employ a similar strategy as the playoffs approach. Imagine going against the Heat if they had a weeks worth of rest before the playoffs and we played grind-it-out basketball for 66 games. Would this provide them with a significant advantage?
Schindler's List is, at the most basic level, a remake of Jurassic Park... ~Zizek
by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
NO. STARTERS IN UNTIL GAME IS FOR SURE OVER
by obnoxious american on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
There's usually a natural gap before the playoffs and plenty of time between each game
I haven’t looked at this year’s schedule though. A better strategy is get the #1 seed, sweep their second round matchup, and then get their rest before the ECF.
by runningman on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The playoffs start 1 day after the regular season this year
and there will be back to backs in series due to the lockout
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
1 day? Interesting.
Seems like depth is going to be a bigger factor than usual in this year’s playoffs.
Seriously? Back to backs in the playoffs?
Did the same thing happen in 1999?
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
eh, not for sure, its a possibility
The playoffs are scheduled to start on April 28, two days after the regular season ends, with the NBA Finals slated to end no later than June 26, 2012. There is the possibility of playoff games on back-to-back nights in the second round.
I’m guessing if we get some 6 game or 7 game 1st round series, we will see back to backs in the 2nd round.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think Wade may be really hurt
I think we can wait a bit before we start resting people. I don’t how much rest in game 7 of the season will actually keep them fresh at the end of the year.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 6, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Lucky for them
The Hawks are the dumbest team ever
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
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