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David Lee or Carlos Boozer?



We ended up with Carlos Boozer after missing out on the big three in 2010.

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David Lee was a free agent the same year we signed Boozer. How many Bull's fans would prefer David Lee right now? I remember the major knock on Lee was his inability to play defense. But could he be any worse then Boozer?

I do recall in the 2010 off-season I was for signing Boozer because I watched too many games of David Lee getting burned on defense. But after watching him under Marc Jackson, it's clear it was because D'antoni completely ignores defense. It would have been interesting to see how he could have been under Thibs. I find it quite humors now I'm relishing the thought of David Lee in a Bulls uniform, especially after I watched him man-handled Boozer this season.

He's younger, has more lift to his shot and I believe is a better shooter and rebounder. Not to mention he would have been cheaper to sign (roughly around 4 million).

If the Bulls front office could do it all over again, do you think our starting power forward would still be Boozer?

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Who would you rather have on the Chicago Bulls right now? If none of the above, state who you would prefer....
Carlos Boozer
79 votes
David Lee
165 votes
none of the above
51 votes

295 votes | Poll has closed

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i say this as someone who wanted david lee over carlos back in 2010, and as someone

who has been pretty critical of boozer during his tenure as a bull: the timing of this post sucks. its unfair and its not likely to tell us anything about what people really think about this guy.

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by TheMoon on Jan 4, 2012 3:08 AM CST reply actions  

where is none of the above

i think we shouldve traded for al jeff in that summer. hes more a low post threat/ back to the basket scorer than both of these guys which is exactly what we need

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 AM CST reply actions  

I agree we need a low post threat and back to basket scorer.

I think we should be working with what we have to make that happen. All our 4 post guys are mediocre at best wheter it be backing down, drop step and fading away or that quick step to set up the baby hook. The footwork and ball handling required isnt there. Wouldnt it be a better investment to bring in top notch specialist coaching staff to fix this problem?

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by haypete on Jan 8, 2012 4:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I love the timing of some of these polls. Boozer had a lukewarm game and now gee I wonder what the voting will be

Boozer is better in the block (doesn’t get enough opportunities there) and moreso, he’s a willing passer, a solid defensive rebounder with a 27% career defensive rebound % (25% this year) and 18%+ overall to Lee’s 25% career (16% so far this year) and 17.6% overall.

What’s more than just the stupid stats, is that Boozer’s got gobs of experience, has actually been on some winning teams that have done well in the playoffs (not just here, but in Utah, where he was an even more vital cog).

He keeps his head up and centered through adversity, if he sits in the 4th, he DOES NOT COMPLAIN but says whatever the team needs to do to win that’s all he cares about.

Hell even after the Clippers game (before his big game in Memphis) Derrick was saying when talking of his team, Me and Booz got to keep going. He didn’t bring up jack of all trades Luol or Joakim, he brought up Boozer, his #2 man.

Sure Boozer’s been more decoy right now, but he’s fine. THe media makes too much a hype of the contract, ultimately is the contract high? On pure numbers side yes, but then again, Boozer’s shored up our PF position, and we’ve done quite well with him in his role, even if his individual stats aren’t there.

Boozer’s no Ben Wallace….he’s a true professional, he worked himself into great shape, and it’s up to Thibs to design more plays for Boozer to do what he can do best (put the ball in the bucket with some designed post plays)…

While I’m not ecstatic with Boozer’s individual performance (and lack of consistency) there are a lot of prima donna guys in the league who if they were not being integrated or at the $$ he’s making were sitting for the 4th, etc, they’d complain….which is more devastating to the team. Boozer still starts on all but maybe the top 7-9 PF teams….

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 AM CST reply actions  

And I love how Boozer apologists

neglect to mention that the Bulls are championship contenders, but will never win one with Boozer being the defensive disaster and overrated offensive player that he is.

For the 60 mil + the Bulls pay him , he should be a large enough plus to get them over the hump, but he feasts on bad teams and gets taken out of the lineup against good ones.

Theres a reason the Jazz gave up on Booz so easily, despite quality big men at a premium in the NBA.

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by RogersPark Kris on Jan 4, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee's not a good defensive player either

He makes 1 more year than Boozer and makes more money to boot

He’s not as skilled offensively.

The Jazz didn’t really give up on Boozer, they kept him and didn’t trade him. They just felt they couldn’t afford him and hoped Millsap would be enoguh of a replamcent—they don’t have the capital of a Bulls team….

But lookey here, in less than 1 yr post Boozer they were falling apart and DWill started complaining and they were forced to trade or lose him, so they traded him, and are now amongst the worst teams in the West…

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I never wanted Lee and voted for neither

I’m not a fan of bigs that play no defense, are not athletic, and don’t use post moves.

And Jazz fans could care less that Boozer left, ignore that fact if you will, they were fine with rebuilding cause they knew that they’d never win a title with Boozer there.

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by RogersPark Kris on Jan 4, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I think DWill was as much a problem as Boozer

Williams is a me first, selfish s.o.b. who plays little defense and is great offensively, but who wants to be a man yet has no natural “it’s me NBA superstar” mentoring/team building talent.

DWill is a great talent, but he’s not a #1, he’s a great to have #2, and Boozer’s a solid #3 man….

I would vote Boozer of these 2 because while not perfect, he’s good and at least shores up our 4 spot. He and Taj are a great 48 minute tandem to have, and foil each other well (And I’d argue better than he with Millsap, not that I think Taj is better than Millsap he isn’t, but Taj’s game/skills are polar opposites from Boozer’s, and that help’s, where Millsap is a very slightly worse Boozer playing on a team that desperately needs his scoring so his numbers look better right now)

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

not that i wanted boozer over lee either

but lee isn’t a defensive disaster? if you think boozer is bad, lee is BAAAD.

Bulls when Keith Bogans, err, Rip Hamilton scores 6 or more points:

3-1

by anorexorcist on Jan 4, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

This point about how bad both of them are

just highlights the fact that there are so few talented PF’s in the league. These guys both made bank, and neither of them plays a lick of defense. The PF that actually attacks the rim from that free agent class, Amare’, also does not play defense. The other notable big man from that free agent class, Chris Bosh, probably should be considered a PF, and he doesn’t even like physical contact.

Ultimately there are so few PF’s that actually give you close to 20 and 10 who actually play defense that the Bulls are not that much worse off than a lot of other teams with sub-par PFs.

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by bullhockey on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Carlos Lee

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by chicity773 on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

I'd take Lee, but he's nothing special either.

If the Bulls would have gambled and beaten Boston to the punch by moving Taj for Brandon Bass, Bass would be the starter here before its all said and done. He’s not as skilled as Boozer, but skill doesn’t matter when it rarely manifests itself on the floor.

by dakoose on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Oh fuck

this talk again

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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

Hmmm

No way to tell just yet. Lee was playing Nelly-ball before. If his defense improves over the next few years, fine. But if not, I am happy with the Boozer choice.

If I had to make another (reasonable) choice, I would have tried to swing a trade for Ryan Anderson. Good 3pt shooter. His rebound rate is close to that of Josh Smith and less than 1% behind Pau Gasol and this is with him playing big minutes with Dwight Howard. He is a worse passer and back to the basket player than Boozer, but the paint would be wide open for Rose. He is also a better defender than Boozer.

But again, a choice between Lee and Boozer, if healthy Boozer is simply the better player.

"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight

by DRose01 on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

I voted Boozer

because none of the above is a cop out. Boozer has more of the skills this Bulls team needs than Lee. I like his passing and the fact that he has a semblance of a back to basket game, he just needs to use it more. Lee doesn’t really have a back to the basket game, is just as big a defensive sieve, and doesn’t seem to think the game as well as Boozer. I think Lee’s production is easier to replace.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

I personally wanted Lee

but I was happy with Boozer

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by ThorCo on Jan 4, 2012 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

Contingent on...

Whether Boss Reinsdorf will swallow hard and amnesty Boozer either after this or next season. If we have to watch Boozer’s final two years with an unmoveable contract in full athletic decline with probable increased injury absences while losing Taj and/or Asik because of salary constraints during Derrick’s likely peak career seasons, then I’ll take Lee even if Booze is marginally better today and perhaps has skill sets that are more in demand now.

Proud to say this is the same argument I made before the original signing. Nice to be consistent for a change.

by Carcando on Jan 5, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions  

I always wanted Amar'e

I think at this point he’s underrated.

by tuluse on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

He is very underrated post Melo trade

He was top 5 MVP before that trade, and then now is the forgotten man in New York and being discussed on the blcok because of the Melo hype.

Hell I’d take Amare as a player over Melo.

But I wouldn’t touch Amare because of those knees….and I’d rather have Boozer or Lee even….

I mean Amare may play out his 6 yrs, and then that’s a great contract, but it’s likely he may just get through this or next, and then you’re really stuck with a bad contract.

Boozer’s skills shouldn’t dramatically erode when he loses some athleticism beause he’s a decent shooter and has good post skills (that we oddly don’t use). He’s not one of those that relies dramatically on his athleticism to succeed, so I don’t think we’ll see a Ben Wallace kind of ridiculous decline….

I think he’s fine, just used more as the occasional weapon and more as a space spreading decoy than a major plug in our office.

The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.

by majoyenrac on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

at the time...

We needed a more varied offense and Boozer had the pedigree for that over Lee. Plus, Boozer’s jumper was going to draw more defenders out than Lee… I did like Lee and thought more than twice about what he would look like on this team, but he didn’t offer enough and those NY years were just an unsure sample.

Taj MaBall

by inkybreath on Jan 5, 2012 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

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