Early-Week roundup: Bulls lost to the Heat because the Heat are better; 'Booz' is a four-letter word
The Bulls are the closest thing to Heat-proof in the Eastern Conference, but there really shouldn't be a question of who's better. The Bulls only lost by four to them on Sunday, but the reasons why weren't in a handful of possessions.
The Bulls are the best offensive rebounding team in the NBA -- not because they want to be, but -- because they have to be. Their 32% offensive rebounding rate (ORR) is by far the highest in the NBA because it's the only way to cover up their slightly better than pedestrian .491 eFG% and well below average .268 free throw rate (FTR), according to Hoopdata.
The high risk of their possession-elongating reward is losing a step or two on transition defense because anywhere for two-to-three Bulls are around the opposing team's basket while the opposing team is running the other way with the ball. The Bulls are one of the best in the league at catchup up to them. Their energy is rarely matched and their height/length stands up to any team in the league.
But the Heat are just too good to give up that extra step. Give them an that step and they'll take a fullcourt fastbreak. The Bulls held the Heat to 14 fastbreak points [.pdf] and to a very low .421 eFG%, 17-for-40 (42.5%) within nine feet of the basket. And still lost.
Sure, the Bulls were without Luol Deng, but there's more to the story. The Bulls' ORR was below-average 25% on Sunday -- grabbing only 12 offensive boards, despite 46 bricks from the floor, scoring 15 second chance points. When the risk doesn't even reap the reward, that's called a loss.
The Heat got 40 shots at the line on 28 Bulls fouls and shot 11-for-22 (50%) on long-2s. They played great defense to get the Bulls shooting 7-for-21 (33.4%) on long-2s and 3-for-11 (27.4%) on 3s. The Bulls shot 17-for-29 at the rim (58.4%), but Every Bull not named Derrick Rose totaled only 16 shots at the rim and 14 at the line and the Heat made it look easy to score 22 points on the Bulls' 15 turnovers.
Compare that to last night, where the Bulls handled the Wizards in an effective blowout with an ORR or .316, an FTR of .419, shooting a .493 eFG%, and shooting 19-for-30 (61.3%) within ten feet. The Wizards outscored the Bulls 50-32 in the paint and 16-5 on fastbreaks, but the Bulls still won by ten [.pdf] -- because better teams win despite things with, well, other things in seemingly easier ways.
Getting to the line and shooting efficiently go hand-in-hand. Can the Bulls stop the Heat in a seven-game series? If so, they'll have to find ways to stop them without fouling and force the Heat to resort to fouling -- and that's where the skill gap puts the Bulls at a deficit at this point.
More notes after the jump...
- Is zone defense the Heat killer? Down 18-7 with about four and a half minutes left in the first quarter, the Bulls switched to a zone defense -- a rotating 2-3 that resembled everything from a 1-3-1 to a 1-2-2, depending on the weight forced by the offense -- at the end of the first quarter against Miami and had an 11-2 run. Thibs rarely went back to it in the game, despite it's great success to slow Miami down and the Mavericks' proving it to work in last season's NBA Finals, making me wonder if he's conscious of not allowing Erik Spoelstra to accumulate video of the Bulls playing zone before the playoffs.
Spoelstra's put on the back burner in conversations about the Heat unless there's something derogatory to say, but it's pretty uncontroversial that he's great with video -- and the Heat's defensive schemes should be proof of that. Thibs, being a video ninja himself, understands the price of giving material to opponents, but generally has the confidence that aggressiveness trumps the opponents' anticipation and counter-scheming. That said, zone D is risky because it's less aggressive than Thibs normally wants his players to be, so another explanation toward not using it more could be that Thibs wanted the Bulls to not get stagnant. Only Thibs and the coaching staff can explain this, but it'd be criminal to not have multiple zone hybrids in the arsenal - Carlos Boozer was prevented from any serious attempts to gain position in the low post, taking zero (!!!) shots at the rim on the night and only one from 3-to-9 feet, going 3-for-6 on long-2s to finish with ten points on 5-for-10 shooting and zero trips to the line. As great as the Heat defense played, this is absolutely unacceptable.
Booz (18 points on 9-for-16, eight rebounds) had a hell of a finish against an awful Wizards squad, scoring 12 in the fourth quarter to put the home team away. What a difference going 6-for-7 at the rim with three dunks makes. Go figure. - Luol Deng is "very close", according to Thibs, but added: "He still has to take contact on it." So it doesn't seem all that close to the point where he should be playing; just that it's close that he will play?
- Richard Hamilton played the Heat hurt -- and it showed. The brick-tastic masked man scored 11 points on an eye-opening 4-for-16 to go with five turnovers on Sunday; then, sat out Monday's game in D.C. No wonder Derrick Rose didn't feel right about kicking out to him on the final shot, when Rip was open for a jumper.
"In the first quarter I felt pretty good," he said after Sunday's game. "As the game went on, I felt like I was playing on one leg. It was tough. It was hard." - Rose called his shot before Monday's game. His well-chronicled self-immolation after Sunday's loss to the Heat was followed up with the Monday's pre-game comment: "Tonight, I'm gonna go crazy."
He only needed 20 official shots from the floor to drop a season-high 35 points on theWizardsGenerals. The Bulls are 85-30 (73.9%) in 115 games Rose has played, dating back to the start of the 2010-11 season and through the playoffs, but only 11-12 (47.8%) when Rose has taken 25 or more shots. On the other hand, the Bulls are 31-8 (79.5%) when Boozer takes 15 or more shots. In only five of those 39, he scored less than 15 and the Bulls still won them all. You want to see the risk of Boozer not showing up, not establishing position, not using space to be Rose's easy button, or just putting himself in a position to be an option of any sort? Here it is. - Frank Vogel's having a lot of fun. He doesn't see anything extraordinary about the Pacers' celebration after beating the Bulls at the United Center, saying it's just typical of a road win. But clearly, his own personal reaction after the game show the game was a target on his calendar and -- in the same comments -- acknowledges that the Bulls' anger 'adds some spice to the rivalry'.
So, there's definitely a rivalry, that rivalry is getting heated, but the vast underdog in the rivalry didn't celebrate in ways beyond the norm after beating their Goliath on their Goliath's home floor? Seriously, Vogel, just admit you were pumped up to beat one of the best teams in the NBA and you take pride in coaching a team from hell to relevance. - Joakim Noah's had six double-doubles in his last seven games. This after only one in his first 15. He's averaging 12.4 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG in 33 MPG, shooting a .625 FG% and committing only 3.0 fouls per game over this stretch. His 17.5 PER still only ranks fifth among East centers, behind Dwight Howard, Roy Hibbert, Tyson Chandler, and JaVale McGee, but All-Star Game coaches tend to swing to wanting multiple players from the team with the best record in the conference. On those terms, only Chandler (0.246) has more WS/48 than Noah (0.183) in the conference; Howard's rate (0.176) is just behind Noah.
- Just keep shootin' Kyle; it's cool. Kyle Korver was buckets on Monday, scoring 17 points in a monster 13 shots. He was 5-for-12 on those 3s in the third five-trey performance of his Bulls career. Back to the W-L-when-x-does-y, the Bulls are 15-5 (75%) over the last two seasons (playoffs included) when Korver attempts at least six treys.
- On another Eastern Conference note: the 76ers are fo' realz, like fo' rlzzz. And they want Amar'e Stoudemire. Scary or fairy?
We can go on-and-on forever about the Bulls having serious problems when Rose has to do everything on the offensive end. Before last season, all the Bulls needed was a post presence and the addition of Boozer helped to the best record in the NBA. After losing in the Conference Finals, all the Bulls needed was a shooting guard to be a serious scoring option on the perimeter to "stretch the floor" and punish defenses for collapsing on Rose.
Now, those pieces are there and I still contend these Bulls have the deepest roster in the league. But we've seen games where the offense plays a "stand around and watch Derrick" game and we've seen that those games are disasters -- even when they result in wins. There isn't a great second or third option for Rose to run a two-man game when in trouble, but there are very, very, very good ones; and Rose has proven that he just needs one or two of those guys to be average in order to break down a defense and dominate games.
Depth is great at the bottom of the rotation, but it becomes a parlor trick when those above the middle take vacations for full shifts -- if not full games. The Bulls just aren't good enough to win the East without a ton of things aligning in an almost perfect manner at the same time. It's a daunting task for an coach with any roster, but this coach has the pieces to make it so. More important, these players have the attributes to be utilized.
UPDATE -- "Hamilton admitted that he likely will sit for a while in an attempt to put the groin and right thigh bruise issues in his rearview mirror for good," K.C. Johnson is reporting.
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the heat arent better.
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by TheMoon on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
nice counterpoint
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
no need to prove facts.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
I'm convinced. TheMoon is very persuasive.
by cubbybear on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TheMoon is more mysterious than persuasive.
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by Prevenge on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i swear
if y’all start quoting that mulan song again…..
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by piccolomair on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
this is a better one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK2cfdsgzoQ
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by Cubfansince1957 on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
bulls have only had a full roster
for 4 games… i really wish we could see what they actually looked like.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I think that's a luxury this season
You’re going to have to win in the playoffs with some pieces being hurt this year.
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still, i feel like we've been one of the hardest hit teams
we literally haven’t fielded our 1-10 in 2012.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
The Bulls haven't lost anyone for the season yet
I see your point, it’s frustrating as hell, but (knock on wood), they haven’t for sure lost anyone for the season.
It’s hard to see, but I think everyone is dealing with injuries/fatigue right now. Shoot, OKC lost a very good back up PG for the season.
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true, and it's good that we haven't lost anyone for the season
although honestly this is almost worse because we’ve had multiple people out at once, and there’s no continuity – once a guy is out for the season, the team kinda has to get used to playing without him. with guys shuffling in and out of the lineup like we have been we just don’t get that.
on the other hand – props to our tremendous depth, and luck – we could only be so fortunate to have to play lucas 45 minutes on a night where we were playing the wizards.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
IMO, that's actually a good thing.
Gets players used to playing with everybody on the team, not just the Hockey-Style line changed that Thibs seems to prefer. I contend that, when this team gets healthy towards the end of the season, only the Heat and the Thunder will be able to stand against us. Having players 1-12 that can play extended shifts without an effort dropoff, and with really only minimal talent dropoff (Scal aside), is great when playing 7 games in 12 nights. Yes, stars win playoff series. But I contend that we have 4 stars on this team in Rose, Deng, JoNo, and Booz. If all 4 of those guys play to their potential, we can beat anybody. Also, if the Mob is being the Mob, we can beat anybody.
oh, fuck yeah
i’m confident in our guys. i just hope we can see them all together this season… lol
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I'm actually a bit less afraid of the Thunder in a 7 game series
They can make it interesting and go 6-7 but they’re still lacking discipline, still have crap inside (and Perkins is just about the most overtly discussed crappy POS player in the game), and well they’re reliant 100% on Durant and Westbrook to win or lose (Harden’s getting better, but the points are they are 100% wing driven), granted those 3 wings are great to haves and that’s why they’ll be a tough out in the playoffs for any team, but I don’t see them as the favorites to win the West, regardless of their record.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Yeah, all they do is run a bunch of isos, and try to kill you in transition
Well, we specialize in stopping isos, and I don’t think there defense is good enough to consistently make us miss, hence no fast breaks. Also, is there a player in the league more suited to defend Durant than Luol Deng? I’m not sure how he’s fared statistically against him, but you’d think it would be worse than most
Plus I could see Westbrook spazzing out trying to outplay Derrick and completely killing his team’s offensive flow.
The only thing that scares me about the Thunder is that we’d have to play on their court, and that place is a fucking nightmare
Injuries. Fuck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Well I think Durant can shoot from anywhere
And thus he’s one of the truly most unstoppable O players out there, but while Westbrook is great, he tends to not pass to him as much as he should when he definitely should, which is a problem (though Westbrook’s pretty great, so not as much a problem as it could be).
The D is the big issue they have, they’re like the dare I say it on a Chicago blog site, 2011 Packers, that O will overwhelm folks in the reg season, but in a playoff (esp in a 7 game series, the lack of discipline defensively can hurt them).
Rose is better than Westbrook, but Westbrook could always have a better game or even series than Rose (he just wouldn’t be able to do it if they played 82 games against each other). Westbrook’s awesome.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Not against our D (regarding Westbrook)
he’s really good at exploiting openings and scoring from what I’ve seen, but Derrick creates openings from nothing.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 31, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Durant's worst nightmare would be being guarded by Deng and Brewer
for possibly 7 games. Jason Kidd, Battier, and Tony Allen basically made him cry last year. He’s a hell of a player but if you bang with him he gets soft.
As for Westbrook i really really really doubt Rose would ever that happen.
by MartyMondays on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Other than the Heat and Thunder...
Do we really have a clue what any team actually looks like? Maybe the Magic and the absolutely awful bottom feeders of the league.
Even the Thunder have problems resembling an NBA offense. When the ball isn’t in Durant’s hands, the entire offense is crash into people, spray the ball vertically, and pray for whistle and the ref to call the heave a continuation.
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Yeah, but at at least that seems to be working for them
Their defense has been non-existent (at least in the games I’ve watched). I know they have the best record in the league, but I don’t see them as real title contenders. The Heat would annihilate them
Injuries. Fuck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Ya, their defense against the Clips yesterday was embarassing
The Clips have some great players, don’t get me wrong, but they have Vinny “isolated high screen roll” Del Negro as their head coach! CP3 can be deadly, but considering how great Westbrook is supposed to be defensively, shouldn’t they have done a slightly better job?
When guys are hitting like 3-4-5 3's in a row
As the Clipps did in that 2nd quarter (Mo hit a couple, I think Butler hit one and one or two others did, nobody can guard a good passing PG regardless of how good they are).
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
The fact that nobody in the West is going to beat them means that they will be title contenders
Kevin Durant can definitely get into a hot streak and carry them to four wins in any playoff series.
48 minutes of intensity
Not against the Heat, he can't
You HAVE TO play defense against that team. Plus, they’re rated in the bottom third of the league as far as turnovers, so that makes them especially fucked
Injuries. Fuck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
The upside is their ridiculous talent...
But, yeah, they’re not coached very well.
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Would that make Brooks overrated?
On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.
pacers, too
their top 8 players in minutes have missed a combined 2 games.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Howard would give us that low post presence.
Just sayin’.
But in the absence of Howard, it’s good to see Noah playing better, not just on defense but also as a facilitator when Rose gets trapped on offense. The Bulls nearly beat the Heat without Deng, with a hobbled Hamilton, and with Boozer having a bad game. They have that zone defense in their back pocket (nice catch!). Bosh played a good game but then laid an egg last night, so he’s as inconsistent as Boozer. Wade has not played at a superstar level this season. And James still hasn’t shown that he’s clutch.
Let’s take care of business, blow out the bad teams, beat the good teams, get healthy, stay healthy, get home court advantage, and see what happens. The Bulls have a better chance than people think, particularly if Wade does not return to superstar levels.
Howard can't jump over anybody.
He can step over people, but he can’t jump over them…
That will have to suffice.
If we can keep Rose/Rip/Boozer with Dwight, I think we should do it. Keep Mirotic, too, considering he might be able to play some 3 in the future. Everything else can be replaced, albeit with difficulty.
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by Cubfansince1957 on Jan 31, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
For that purpose it is not bad
As far his interactions with teammates( sans resuscitating the Baby), his clashes with Derrick Rose’s game and his liabilities at the free throw line. No thanks.
48 minutes of intensity
Thank you for solving the question of which team is better.
Someone tell David Stern to cancel the season.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 AM CST reply actions
no, we need the season
to see if someone over there gets hurt. it’s downright likely
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
That's going a bit far
But if Wade can’t ever get to 100% in this compressed season it might be enough to allow the Bulls to put them away in the playoffs.
I don't believe the Heat are unbeatable, even healthy
When it comes to Bulls/Heat, it comes down to a few things – Boozer needs to up his play, 4th quarter execution, and getting Deng back. The Boozer stuff is obvious. Sonty hit it perfectly. To quote Stacey King “if you’re scared, go by a dog.”
As far as the 4th quarter, the Bulls have had a chance to win the last 5 games they’ve played against the Heat but have lost in the final six minutes of each game. They simply need someone to step up and his shots down the stretch. Deng, Boozer or Hamilton are the likely candidates. I assume Hamilton’s experience in the playoffs is why he was brought in over younger candidates. Last game, the Bulls were a couple Hamilton jumpers from beating Miami in Miami w/o Deng. I’m not ready to declare them universally better. In the last 5 games the Bulls and Heat have played, the Bulls have been outscored in the 4th quarter
14-10
28-20
22-17 (16-8 in OT)
26-18
21-22 (they won on Sunday, but lost the last 6 minutes).
They need someone to step up and hit shots.
As far as Deng goes, Lebron had a field day on Sunday 12-23, 35 pts, 15fts. But in the Bulls series last year, against Deng he shot 44% with only 9 fts per game. I’m the first to say Deng does not shut down Lebron, but he defends him better than what we saw last game.
I think the Bulls have a very good chance of being better than the Heat by the end of the season. I think there were a lot of encouraging signs from last nights game. Noah was good, Hamilton defended Wade well, Rose was able to penetrate in the lane. They just need to establish/find that 2nd crunch time scorer.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, and...
the two keys, in my view, will be:
a) the relative health of the two teams
b) whether or not Thibs develops something beyond “give Derrick the rock” for crunch-time offense
by Paul Warfield on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed on the second point.
He can get away with it against the Wizards and the Pistons of the league but when he plays the Miami Heat they need to have a plan b, maybe even a plan c
48 minutes of intensity
the Heat are slightly better, but only slightly.
Over the 9 games (regular season and playoffs) the Bulls and Miami have played since Bosh and LeBron joined the Heat, the Heat have gone 5-4 and the overall point differential is just 7 points in 9 games. Its basically a coin flip anytime these two teams play.
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by fundamentallysound on Jan 31, 2012 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I respectfully disagree that the Heat are better
Let’s take a look at the four factors box score from all the Bulls v. Heat games last year:
Regular season then playoffs
Game 1 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .506 9.0 29.4 .167 Heat .526 12.3 15.8 .195
Game 2 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .439 13.1 28.3 .256 Heat .418 11.7 13.0 .291
Game 3 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .480 15.3 31.3 .216 Heat .507 17.0 23.5 .250
Game 1 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .494 8.6 41.3 .195 Heat .493 17.7 18.8 .221
Game 2 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .360 9.7 32.7 .195 Heat .493 16.0 29.4 .265
Game 3 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .448 11.3 32.5 .208 Heat .530 11.1 15.2 .373
Game 4 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .437 16.4 23.3 .195 Heat .460 14.1 10.0 .427
Game 5 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR Bulls .401 10.0 23.4 .185 Heat .439 15.7 15.0 .379
Take a look at some of the patterns that emerge. The Bulls won the OReb% battle in all 8 games against the Heat! Honestly, it was only close one time. The Bulls also won the TOV% battle 5/8 times and never really lost it all that badly. When the Bulls lost, it was simply do to the Heat out shooting them (they only won that twice, and one of those times they were essentially equal) and getting to the line more (the Bulls won that battle 0 times). The Heat were certainly better last season.
Now let’s look at the four factors from last night.
Game 1 eFG% TOV% ORB% FTR
Bulls .451 13.8 25.0 .247
Heat .429 12.0 25.5 .385
Last night the Bulls lost the TOV% battle AND the ORB% battle. The former they won 5/8 times last year, and the latter they had never lost. I don’t see anyone the Heat added that would help their ORB% or the Bulls lost that would hurt their ORB%. The Bulls were without Luol Deng which certainly hurt and perhaps Taj was not 100%. The Bulls lost by 4 points and had a chance to win despite losing the ORB% battle for the first time in 9 tries against the Heat. Heck, the Bulls actually shot better than the Heat (for only the third time in nine tries) with Rip having a very poor shooting game. I see it as a very positive sign that seemingly all the Bulls needed to do to win was rebound better, which they have proven many times that they are fully capable of doing.
by DRoseO1 on Jan 31, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
My point's that despite the things that work well for the Bulls...
Since Game 1, the Bulls struggle to defend Miami without fouling. This is largely because the best way to counter aggressive offensive rebounding is to push the ball down the floor as fast as possible because that offensive rebounding effort puts the Bulls behind the ball in the opening seconds of the Heat’s offensive possessions. Just about every team in the league simply isn’t fast enough to execute this. The Heat have abilities to simply use the Bulls’ aggressiveness against themselves.
As long as Miami spaces their D as they do, they force the Bulls to not have the ability to rest on offense — as all strong defensive teams are required to do. The result of an aggressive defense not being able to rest of offense is a lot of fouls on defense. If the Bulls aren’t aggressive, they’re stagnant and collapsing the paint gets rewarded. But they simply brick too much — largely due to Miami’s intrinsic athleticism, defensive scheme, and aggressive execution — to not crash the boards to the max.
In game theory, this is called a dilemma. The best way for a dilemma to not result in the red is to present your opponent with a greater dilemma. Mix the Bulls athleticism with their size and IQ with a zone that rotates in a manner that doesn’t sacrifice rebounding — as they did — then, you may have presented just that. Sure, the dilemma is that the Bulls gain for forcing more misses, giving the ability to run the floor, but also gives the Heat a pace they can dominate; but the defense returning to spots instead of recovering to check specific personnel, while communicating switches on the fly at Miami’s pace may be more desirable.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I get the game theory comparison
Assuming I get what you are trying to prove is this:
Bulls cause Miami problems by crashing the offensive glass. Miami counters this problem by getting out on the break, which gives the Bulls a bigger problem. Theoretically, the only way to counteract this is to either stop crashing the offensive glass and try a new strategy (which you argue that the Bulls can’t do because they don’t score efficiently enough) or continue crashing the boards and present Miami with a different problem. Your argument is that the zone could prevent Miami from shooting well and allow the Bulls to start fast breaking themselves. However, that would mean Miami gets to play a more uptempo game, which theoretically would fit them better.
My argument is this: if the Bulls hit the offensive glass more effectively, the Heat will have to commit more players to rebounding, which will prevent them from getting out on the break. The Heat actually scored less fastbreak points than the Bulls on Sunday. Furthermore, I think the Bulls can crash the boards effectively without committing 4 players to the effort (as they seemed to on Sunday). This strategy won’t work every time, but I think if the Bulls can do that and keep the FTR close, they should be able to dispense of the Heat.
That said, I thought they would do it last year too.
by DRoseO1 on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
can you quantify why
Since Game 1, the Bulls struggle to defend Miami without fouling.
because that doesn’t seem like something that can be definitively explained without some sort of study whether or not the heat are getting the benefit of calls. it’s not like that’s farfetched.
by obnoxious american on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
You can quantify it
I think the point you are trying to make is that they don’t struggle more than any other team does. Miami is getting fouled at a rate of .352 this year. 5 out of 8 times, the Bulls fouled less than this rate.
Not really sure...
Without breaking down the possessions, my hypothesis would be speed. The Bulls really only have foul problems when they’re a half- or full-step behind the motions of the opposing offense. It’s why almost chaotic-looking method of ball movement is necessary to consistently convert.
Miami’s really the only team with the tools to not carry this turnover risk with low-percentage passes or slow the game down too much over-doing isolation to beat the Bulls, IMO; they’re the only team I see that can beat the Bulls off the ball. This may be the way LeBron can move a defense like the Bulls — one where the strength is it being unbalanced — or it’s the way Miami’s shooters and cutters find space. It’s a combination, but it’s a chicken-or-egg question of what begets what.
And, yes, this isn’t a problem isolated to the Bulls.
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I don't think you can lump together regular season and playoff games.
The playoffs are different because teams have time between each game. Many of the advantages the Bulls hold during the regular season will disappear in the playoffs.
What advantages that I listed will disappear in the playoffs?
The Bulls won the ORB% battle every single time. The Bulls won the TOV% battle 2 out of 3 times in the regular season and 3 out of 5 in the playoffs. Those advantages didn’t disappear last year, so they shouldn’t this year. My point is that the Bulls lost an important category that they ALWAYS won. If they simply do what they usually do, they win that game Sunday.
I don't know about what you listed, but what I had in mind
is depth, preparation, and energy. In the playoffs the rotations shorten, everyone prepares, and everyone has energy.
The title of this post is premature
Lets play out at the very least, our meetings with them and (if everything goes according to plan) the first three playoff games before we can judge the better team. I cant say for certain that we are better than Miami nor that they are better than us so I will just leave it at that.
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it’s a real shame we couldn’t even just get expiring contracts for Boozer at this trade deadline and start Taj
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions
Numbers don't matter in this case
You can’t just say the Heat are better based on this one match up’s statistics.
The Bulls with Deng and a healthy RIP have the most efficient offense in the league. Take Watson out of the equation and it hurts more.
Those are 3 of our better offensive options.
If the Bulls had beaten the Heat minus Bosh and a one legged Wade, we’d be wondering how we’d look against a healthy Heat team rather than just assuming we’re better
by Option27 on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Well said my friend.
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by illwill on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
well, and if we beat Miami 4-1 in a playoff series
you similarly “can’t say” that the Bulls have the most efficient offense in the league with Deng+Rip given their level of opposition in that time.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
That's kinda my point
I really don’t see how anyone can claim either team is better until u see them play against each other when both teams are healthy
That being said, Bulls have a better shot if both are depleted due to their depth, and that’s gotta mean something
by Option27 on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's closer to even, but what do you mean by "better shot"?
“Better shot” to pull out a win, of course. Better shot at wining a 7-game series, relative to Sunday, yes, Deng, Rip, and CJ are better than Lucas and stretching out Brewer’s minutes. And it means something. Just nothing to envision a healthy Bulls team actually winning that series against a healthy Heat team.
That being said, we’re almost talking unicorns here because Rip is old, Deng will have issues (issues he can hide, but issues nonetheless), what’s down the road with Rose’s toe is up in the air, and now CJ is having problems staying on the floor; while Dwyane Wade arguably hasn’t been healthy for years, Mike Miller may an awkward rebound away from making his hand useless again, and Udonis Haslem’s foot hasn’t endured a full-season test.
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So what was your point?
Miami is better than the Bulls minus Deng, Watson and a one legged RIP?
If that’s the point then I’m sure we all can agree with that premise
by Option27 on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, I'm asking, are you saying "better shot to win in general" or "better shot than Miami"?
Those are two different statements. No one would argue that better players make the Bulls a better shot in general, but all players healthy, Miami has the better shot than anyone to win the East. Do you think otherwise? Why?
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It depends on whether Wade is injured, or just old.
I suppose the same could be said of Hamilton, but he’s less vital to the Bulls’ success.
If healthy, I'd have to say the Bulls
That’s my whole point.
Better depth, better coaching, stronger defense, more fluid offense, fewer holes in the starting line up, strengths against their weaknesses (pg and c) and above average defenders on their main strengths (wings)
Seems logical, no?
by Option27 on Jan 31, 2012 3:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nobody's going to be healthy in the playoffs.
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This.
Potential matchups are meaningless. No one knows how healthy any player will be or who might be out. Team stats are going to be close to meaningless for the Bulls for sure since lineups change so much.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
just curious, what's with the rip capitalization
every time i see it i’m seeing Rest In Peace. it’s weird.
by obnoxious american on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's the groin.
I think KC reported earlier that the Bulls medical staff said it was dead.
by m0chab34r on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was the joke
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls are the best offensive rebounding team because they are the best at offensive rebounding.
That is a talent, and something they are significantly more talented at than the Heat. If it was only because they over commited to crashing the offensive boards due to their offensive deficiencies, their defense would not be nearly as good as it is. Teams would be running 2 on 1’s half the game and getting all kinds of high %shots against them. This doesn’t happen on any sort of consistent basis, but the Bulls offensive rebounding is almost always great.
As regards Miami specifically, it does seem like the Bulls have difficulty adjusting to the speed of their fast break in say the first 6 minutes, almost every time they play them. After that the Bulls prettty much shut their fast breaks down, yet they remain dominant on the offensive glass. To me this is a tactical matter rather than some sort of talent gap. The Bulls can dominate the offensive boards against Miami without 4 or 5 players crashing the glass. Thet simply need to do that from the opening tip.
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It is amazing how a deficit created in the first few minutes can end up deciding the game.
It doesn’t always do so, of course, but on Sunday the Bulls spent the whole game working to come from behind, and that wears on a team (and particularly wore on Rose) by the end of the game. On the other hand, in other games the Bulls have kept a small cushion the whole game against an inferior team, and I could just see the other team run out of energy at the end of the game. This is especially true against great defensive teams. I remember the feeling when the Bulls couldn’t beat the Bad Boys in Detroit in the 1980s. The games always seemed within reach, and then Detroit would shut the Bulls down in the last few minutes. The Bulls can now do the same against most teams — but they can’t afford to spot an early lead to Miami in every game, that’s for sure.
I see what you mean...
But after closing that gap at the end of the 1st quarter, the Heat had an 11-0 run to start the 2nd, creating their largest lead — 12. Bulls had a huge 13-2 early in the 4th and the Heat responded with 7 unanswered. Great teams aren’t held off for long, I think, as both teams showed.
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It goes in waves.
One team gets the lead, the other expends the energy to come back, the lead expands again, contracts again, expands again. Sure, often the lead changes and the early lead does not guarantee victory — but I would not want to start every game by giving away the early lead. Just because the game ends up tied in the final minutes does not make the teams even, because the team that spent the whole game coming from behind generally has expended more energy.
It would be interesting to see statistics on how often the team that creates an early lead ends up winning the game.
Noah is one tough dude inside and keeps the ball alive even when he does not get the offensive board...
Asik and Gibson are good also, but Noah causes the most problems.
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I really don't think the Heat are better.....
The Bulls came within a basket of beating the Heat IN Miami. I don’t believe that definitively means the Heat are better. Hell, if we had just Watson back for that Heat game, I think we would have won.
Sorry Alex, but IMO, we are better than the Heat.
When you have Ledork, Dweeb Wade, Chris like a Bosh (unlike a boss), you can always make an argument as a stacked team, but we have a more complete team and if we play at our best and they play at their best, I think we come out on top, even if the refs keep helping them game in and game out. All we need is a bit more confidence and experience, and you can forget about being beaten 4-1 in the playoffs again….
Its about imposing will, thats what wins games in May and June
You have to force the other team to not play at thier best for 4 out of 7 games.
Oh fuck this noise
The bulls heat are 50/50 coin toss
We can even play with them wiout Deng and CJ, conversely, if Wade or Bosh is out, the Heat would still give the Bulls a tough game.
the Heat feast on the weak sisters, as we saw last year, against top teams they struggle, something like 3-12 against the top 5 teams
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Zone
I thought the zone the Bulls used was the best they’ve ever played and it was obvious they’d practiced it. I was glad Thibs didn’t use it too much.
And Eddy Curry really sucks ass. It looked as if a fan wandered onto the court as was trying to get out of the way of the players running past.
by El Toro de Goro on Jan 31, 2012 5:31 PM CST reply actions
the heat
Are not better with lu and rip and watson we can beat them just like dallas did, whoever says the heat are better didn’t watch how we lost and should’ve beat them banged up and all lechoker and his gang of faeries we will get them this year!
by rickrock58 on Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It looked as if a fan wandered onto the court as was trying to get out of the way of the players running past.
sigh, yeah the Heat did not address the center position in the off-season.
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you can run numbers on one game, but why bother.
everyone should know about small sample size by now. and the heat were at full strength, the bulls were not even close to it. much ado about nothing, except well, the bulls pretty much could have won if not for a tremendous fluke. in miami.
by obnoxious american on Jan 31, 2012 6:30 PM CST reply actions
i really like our chances against the Heat in the playoffs
It would be nice if GarPax could add one more dynamic offensive player at the trade deadline. Just for a little firepower off the bench if needed.

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