Bulls vs. New Jersey Nets: Game Preview #19
by kidronmusic on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM CST
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Print[Thanks to kidronmusic for today's game preview. I don't begrudge him (too much) for half-assing it, nobody really knows what's going on with Deng's injury status and it understandably overshadowing the Nets matchup. Gamethread at 7:08. -ed.]
Tonight the much injured, but thankfully deep Chicago Bulls take on the pretty crappy, but still Superman's favorite New Jersey Nets...
This is the two teams first matchup of the season, Coming into tonight the nets are just 5-12, with the Bulls a league best 15-3. We had the advantage last year taking 3 out of the 4 games, and 4 of the last 6 overall.
It's tough to know who to expect to see on the court tonight as twitter and BlogABull abound with speculation as to who is in, who is out, and who should be in or out....
Rose seems to be expecting to play, saying that the toe feels "decent", and he participated fully in practice. There is some speculation from concerned amateur doctors (aka: worried fans) that he be best off not playing, since we should be able to get past the Nets without him, but you know that Rose will want to be on the court to show once again that he is better at basketball than Deron Williams.
Taj is out, Lucas is doubtful. Noah is a gametime/probable. If Noah is out, we could see another early White Mamba appearance which would surely delight the home crowd.
The bigger story, emerging the last hour or so, is speculation that Loul Deng could be out for the season, or at least a while. Story from PippenAintEasy Here. He had a doctors visit today and Doug Thonus, KC Johnson, and Aggrey Sam had some twitter speculation worth checking if you're curious... This one from KC:
Fact Deng got MRI yesterday and is at doctor today means he could be out a bit. Wrote yesterday #Bulls will be conservative with injury.
(***EDIT*** To reiterate, for the sake of THEKILLERWHALE's comment below, this is all just speculation, and that's an article from a website that isn't exactly the premier Bulls journalistic web entity. But still, it's hard to not worry about Deng missiing time, as he has been our minutes leader since Thibs stepped off his plane from Boston. ***)
Alright, I planned to write more, But I have to get in the car and sit in traffic for a couple hours so I can be in the 200 level for tip off! I'm wearing my Deng jersey in hopeful effigy of our fallen warrior. God Speed Luol, we don't know what Thibs will do without you! Hopefully you are back on the court for 49 minutes a game next week!
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That Pippen Ain't Easy link is pure speculation...
there is no sign that this person has any information that you and I do not have. I had a heart attack when I read that headline earlier today. There is no reason why everyone who reads this preview should be subjected to the same experience.
And if Luol Deng really is out for the season, then may God have mercy on our souls.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, I had seen the website a few times
But I should have pointed out more clearly that it’s just speculation and rumors, not actual journalism.
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Sorry, I did not not mean to seem harsh there.
Enjoy the game.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
That Pippen Aint Easy article
is really stupid. I mean look at how much they read into Luol and Thibs’s comments. There is so much blind speculation in that. You could take any quote like they did and draw out tons of possibilities from them. I really don’t trust them.
The X-Rays were negative, I’m feeling good about where we stand.
I mean, this is kinda feeding the dumbass beast by linking the Pippen Aint Easy post at all
but I guess we’re calling it out as dumb, so maybe not all publicity is good publicity.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 23, 2012 5:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I'd say its pretty dumb
Unless of course, we find that its correct in its speculations.
yeah, i hate extreme speculation jus for the sake of getting attention
esp when it comes to Deng injury
Another shock jock article?
It’s not even on his damn shooting hand and the guys gotta higher pain tolerance than Rose. He’ll be fine
Two things of note (got from other thread)
https://twitter.com/#!/bynhayes/status/161581704509788160
Neil Hayes @bynhayes
Hearing Derrick Rose will play tonight. #bulls
and
Neil Hayes @bynhayes
Luol Deng just entered United Center with left wrist heavily bandaged. Said he was “OK” but said that last night, too. #bulls
https://twitter.com/#!/bynhayes/status/161587002213543936
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
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by joeybw
another "OK" quote
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Luol just strolled in laughing w/ Randy Brown. Left wrist and thumb in splint. Didn’t talk other than to say he’s “OK.” Said that SAT too.
by shutupdrogba on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well, that's good enough for me
No way in hell it’s a season ender or something really serious if he said that. Probably a few weeks or something, which is fine
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
sprained wrist...2 week injury
and thats totally fine by me.
or he can pull a kobe and come back early...
but fuck that! i want him 10000000000 percent coming feb.
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Lifting the spirits of the players on the team who are actually good since 1996.
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by Poloplaya14 on Jan 23, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
noah yes...rose, not sure?
neone got word on skittles-man
damn, wish he would jus stop being stubborn and sit out
hes clearly being impatient, not smart.
Yeah I don't like it
If you’re gonna come back sooner at least do it against Indiana on Wednesday not the fuckin Nets
also @ MIA this Sun. hopefully the team is as close to 100% as possible for that one
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Rose is a go
K.C Johnson @KCJHoop 34s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
DRose is playing. #Bulls
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
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by joeybw
by SRQman on Jan 23, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing if the Bulls knew that he would be anything more than day to day they would have said so...
Seriously, why would they be trolling with us like this?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions
huh. would have figured a resigned sigh rather than panic.
I love seasons too. That's why I live in a place that skips the shitty ones.
by thatshortkid on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
When Lucas comes back
it will be interesting to see if James moves ahead of him on the depth chart.
He took his what to where?!
James did have a very good game the other night
Lucas has been with the team throughout training camp, he might have the edge based on that
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For better or worse:
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Derrick just told me he’s going to play.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
good to hear we do have big games this week vs. IND & @ MIA
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"We had the 80's, and Michael had the 90's." Otis Wilson
"What did I do wrong? They won two championships in this town in 50 years. I played on one and coached the other one. I'll go somewhere and apologize, but you'll have to tell me where and who to." Mike Ditka, 2005
Fuck Miami!
Sorry…..don’t know where that came from =0
by KCinIL on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
nevermind
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Thibodeau says Luol is still consulting doctors, hasn’t ruled out surgery. #Bulls
fuck.
by shutupdrogba on Jan 23, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
after being thrown under the bus about his other injury
can’t blame him for wanting multiple opinions
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
then he must have sustained a pretty bad sprain to be considering surgery
surgery will knock him out ofr a month. I would do it asap if i were deng.
think of it this way...
even if he lets it heal by itself, his wrist will only gain back 80 PERCENT OF ITS MAX strength. Ill tell you one thing that wrist injuries are a bitch. Its a very small bone and fragile. Hairline fractures for example usually knock an athlete for the whole yr.
Surgery on the other hand will HELP IT HEAL properly. Remove all the fibrotic material etc. and then the wrist can regain near/at maximal strength.
Interesting
This is just fuckin crazy. The bulls are turning into my Chiefs. 1 min they say 1 thing then the next something else comes out, then something else lol. I’m not gonna make it!
The x-ray was negative.
Which would seem to mean it’s not a fracture.
Haven’t heard anything about the MRI though. That would tell if anything is torn.
I broke the scafoid bone in my wrist. Two surgeries and a year and a half.
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We just gotta hope it's not.
It’s weird but seems like without Rose the Bulls can still win most of the games. But the Bulls without Deng might be really bad.
Korver!
Back in the doghouse with you!
It's like Rose is the MVP but Deng is the Most Important Player
Korver!
Back in the doghouse with you!
If the wrist is hurt why the fuck would you get surgery on the OTHER hand?
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by boyonthedock on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
K.C Johnson @KCJHoop 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Thibodeau says Luol is still consulting doctors, hasn’t ruled out surgery. #Bulls
https://twitter.com/#!/KCJHoop/status/161592969848299522
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
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by joeybw
Surgery isn't necessarily bad
Often times, it is just to make certain the injury does not come back. The recovery time could still be well under a month.
by DRoseO1 on Jan 23, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Stop making sense.
You’re killing conversation.
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by Alex Sonty on Jan 23, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
All that matters is how long
If surgery gets him back for the playoffs at 100%, I’m fine with it. Honestly, I don’t care if he misses a month or two of the regular season. Bulls can stay afloat without him.
Does it matter?
So lets say they go 7-8. All that matters is the playoffs. Heck, in a weird way a month off for Deng might not be that horrible long term. Would have fresher legs come playoff time.
True
I just hope Rose(or any other Bull for that matter)get in the mindset that he “has” to play, could make his injury worse.
That's where a smart coach needs to step in
I honestly don’t see why Rose is playing tonight at all, especially considering how well the backups have been played.
I mean Thibs can only do so much on a pain tolerance
I mean if Rose keeps telling him “I’m good, don’t worry”, he can’t really prove em wrong.
Hmm.
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Deng with an injured wrist that Thibs believes won’t require surgery. Calls him day-to-day. Brewer will start vs Nets.
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Is he dying? No?
Day-to-day.
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Jan 23, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
No bones sticking out? Still have all your limbs?
Day-to-day.
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we need brewer & korver to step up if he's out for a long period of time
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Well my bench mob t-shirt will become usless
They’re all fuckin starting! lol
by KCinIL on Jan 23, 2012 5:45 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
starting mob?
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
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hence, why they are considering surgery
even if he lets it heal, that wrist will enevr be the same.
yeah, its a very tricky situation for the medical staff
orthopedics will be called in from rush hospital and they will determine whether surgery is essential.
maybe if they take skin grafts from his ass
that’s how surgery works right?
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Couldn't this just be that it's s serious injury, but due to the fact that it's in his left wrist, it won't be that bothersome
so he’s opting to play instead of sit out for a few months?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
exactly, its a conundrum for the bulls right now
im sure if it was his right hand, he would have been out for two months. however, at the same time, you want to make it heals properly, but surgery is the best way to go.
It might not be his shooting wrist hurt
But still if he plays through this after only sitting a week or so it will make handling the ball much harder for him (Deng does a decent bit of that in this offense) and will make it difficult for him to finish with his off hand, which Deng does use quite a bit.
by reppinchitown on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, which is probably why he's getting some other opinions
And why he keeps saying he’ll be “fine”. He knows that if another doctor can’t offer a speedier recovery time, that he’ll just go out there and play through it
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
On the bright side, looks like Taj's injury isn't as bad as first thought
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Taj said best-case scenario is Friday vs. Bucks. Getting range of motion back in sprained ankle. #Bulls
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its a high sprained ankle and he no damaged ligaments...
its def not comparable to stepehen currys sprain. Damn, curry might become the next roy if his tandem of ankle sprains continue.
Alright, on the subject of our medical staff...
I know that we have discussed this in the past and I know that I am not a medical doctor, but how the do you clear someone to go back into a game if they have an injury severe enough to possibly require surgery? Is this common for teams other than the Bulls? Omer was put into a game two days after he broke a bone in his foot. If I remember correctly, Lu played for a bit on a hairline fracture (although I am not sure of the specifics). Am I wrong in thinking that you should err on the side of caution with these things? Perhaps sit DRose in a game against the worst team in the league when you could make the playoffs in the east on a sub-500 record?
Any thoughts?
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i thinkits on both the players and mgmt..i think the docs just consult and mgmt takes consideration into what they say but at theend of it all..if they ask him if he’s good to go and he says yes: they will play him, esp if the games are important
or so my sources say
or that might just be what i gathered from watching Any Given Sunday for the billionth time
it depends on range of motion and whether if its SAFE ENOUGH to avoid any major chronic problems in the future
however, like u said, its all on the management and the player
I was upset they waited a handful of mins before taking a TO
You could see when he hurt it(or at least when he was showing he was hurt), and I think the ball came his way and could only grab it with his right. Same with Noah finishing the game against Cle and Rose with the back-to-back. Not just the coaches the players gotta man up and just admit sometimes “hey I should probably sit out”
I can feel that...
I have gotten hurt in games and still wanted to be in there. However, if an M.D. tells me that my foot is broken, there is no way that I would play.
Is it possible that the medical staff told Omer that he had a broken foot and the Turk told them he could still play? Broken bones seem like a deal-breaker to me. I guess I have heard of people playing in casts but that seems a bit insane.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 23, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
I thnk some of it is the medical staff's fault
but professional sports is a lot different than real life. These guys play through a shitload of bumps and bruises, so the doctors rely on them a great deal to say what kind of pain they’re in. So, right when an injury happens, it’s a lot more on the player to be truthful, but the days and weeks after is where the doctors are key
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
lol, check out Rondo at the 2:39 minute mark of this video. He is SO from another planet.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
you know what, i take back what i said bout westBRICK worse pg than rondo
FUCK RONDO!
by Geo4MVP on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Had to rec this.
What’s a thread on this blog worth without at least one “fuck Rondo”?
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by Cubfansince1957 on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he was like "DRose is exactly the same"
He pwned my ass then and he pwns my ass now.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
OT: Mayo
https://twitter.com/#!/ChrisMannixSI/status/161604190936903680
Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI
With respect to O.J. Mayo, I’m told Memphis is looking for a No. 1 pick in virtually every discussion they have had about Mayo
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No. 1 or 1st round? No. 1 does not make too much sense since who knows where that will fall.
I would trade our 1st round pick for Mayo. Hell, they could have Scal while we’re at it. Mike James is off limits.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
More from KC
Someone who talked to Deng said his plan is to rest and see if he can play through pain. Fact it’s left wrist could help. But legit injury.
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My question is
How long would surgery put him out for? Is it season-ending? If it’s 6-8 weeks, I’d seriously just get it done now.
Then he absolutely needs to do it
If Thibs and them urge him to play, they’re fucking idiots. They should force him to get surgery
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Let's see what the injury really is. Hopefully they will explain it all tonight pregame.
Lotsa speculation going on here in the feeding frenzy, and I don’t mean you in particular Juice.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 23, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
look up wrist arthroscopy too
gives alot of detail on recovery time. However, since this is speculation on a tear, its normally 4-6 weeks.
by Geo4MVP on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If this is true
I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it. Just get it over with, this time of year doesn’t matter much. They can stay afloat without him just fine. Need him in the playoffs though.
he probably stuff those in his wrist bands
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Ha oh Rose
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is Skyrim a first person shooter? Ive heard a lot about it, but I dont have a video game system.
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And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
i dont get why Deng continued playing after he hurt his wrist
same with Taj, he came back in the game after he hurt his ankle. Our trainers need to grow a pair and hold these guys back. Rip played too early, Rose came back tooo early.
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