Stephen A Smith: Magic have spoken to the Knicks about Dwight Howard for Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler
by Belize on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM CST
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As I told you a little bit earlier in the hour, I have some news to report about your New York Knicks. The Orlando Magic, I will preface my statement by telling you that they have categorically denied this, but my sources tell me that they have inquired about Tyson Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire going to Orlando for Dwight Howard. Let me confess to you that I'm torn. From a basketball standpoint, it would seem you do that trade in a heartbeat. You don't teach seven-feet and you don't teach the dominate and the skills that Dwight Howard has. But I like Tyson Chandler. I like the fact that he rebounds and defends."
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Now Tayne I can get into.
by sweetneyisfat on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
edited to mention the source :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM CST reply actions
"i like the fact he rebounds and defends"
and dwight doesn’t do those things?
…
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
Does them better than anyone in the league, really.
"If you have a hero, look again; you have diminished yourself in some way."
by fundamentallysound on Jan 23, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
i think he meant Chandler defending and rebounding are "good enough"
the way i took it, is they can roll with chandler at the 5 because of the way he defends and rebounds.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
and they can roll with not dwight howard because they're idiots
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
well its orlando who would be stupid to take on Stat/chandler
I think the nuggets fleeced the knicks in the Melo trade, and I think its ok to roll with chandler instead getting fleeced again in a trade with Orlando
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Jan 26, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
If they're willing to take Tyson and Amare, they'd have to at least consider a package of Boozer and Noah, no?
Pat Riley is the devil.
id say amare is easier to sell to the fan base
talent wise yeah id say those are fairly equal packages but which one do you think will sell to the fan base better?
amare or booz?
By popular demand I am putting a moratorium on the Melo talk until the Knicks win the title in June.
Amare's uninsurable knees ain't going to the magic
ESP with them paying Arenas what 65m to not play.
Gotta love the new York factor and rumors.
I think Boston might take a chance with amare’s uninsurable knees (and eye issues) bc they still have their amnesty clause, but no way Orlando does that, it’s smarter for them to let him go a la Shaq(which they won’t do).
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
consider worse players? I guess.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
though it is encouraging they're looking for immediate help for Dwight and not young assets
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we do offer more in terms of (deal-able) young assets than most of the other teams in contention for Dwight.
The Lakers have Bynum, but he probably won’t sign long term with Orlando. The Clipps won’t trade Griffin, the Nets only have Ilgauskis 2.0 and the Knicks have no young talent. we can at least offer them Mirotic, one of our young bigs and the Charlotte lottery pick in a deal.
Yr dramatically overrating lopez
If u call him ilgauskas—big z was solid for yrs, Lopez puts up some mostly high o numbers on god awful teams—tho I guess he’s relatively young and hurt so that’s a young big z connection
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lopez is underrated at this point
he can’t rebound and he’s probably more of a 4, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player. he just has holes in his game
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
by paddyfairview on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
But he's not a young Big Z....
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Hasn't that been the thought since the begining?
The owner is old and doesn’t want to rebuild.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
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by joeybw
Noah and Boozer may not be quite as good as Amare and Tyson, but they're not significantly worse either
They make less $, and Noah is 3 years younger than Tyson. The Bulls can also spice up the package in ways the Knicks can’t by throwing in Mirotic and the Charlotte pick.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Plus, Amare's knees might explode at any moment and if he gets poked in the eye again his career is over.
"If you have a hero, look again; you have diminished yourself in some way."
by fundamentallysound on Jan 23, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
but boozer could die if he meets another gym bag in his lifetime
By popular demand I am putting a moratorium on the Melo talk until the Knicks win the title in June.
haha
nice but he seems to be trying to stay in better shape so we should atleast acknowledge an effort.
by ChicagoStyle on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Not if Howard won't consider playing here
Which remains the biggest obstacle of all. IF the Magic are indeed talking to the Knicks, then that is likely because they think he would accept a trade there. Which makes sense given his desire to be the next Kazaam.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Well not necessarily
There is the option of trading for Howard without a guarantee that he’ll sign an extension and hoping you can talk him into staying. If the price was, say, Deng + Noah + Asik+Mirotic+picks, I’m not trading for Howard unless I know he’s staying, because if he bolts, we’re pretty fucked for the next 2-3 years.
On the other hand, if the asking price is only Boozer + Noah, I’ll take that gamble and trade for Howard. If he bolts, oh well, at least we rid ourselves of Boozer’s contract before it really becomes an albatross. Thrusting Taj and Asik into starting roles eliminates our depth, but make a couple moves to address that (a lot easier without Boozer/Noah on the books), and we’re really not much worse off than we are now, when you consider how average Boozer and Noah have been this year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Losing boozer and noah
And having dwight leave, results in 25 mil of cap space, no
Yeah, trading for him even though we're not on his list is interesting
Although he’s gonna have to likely force a trade at the deadline for that to happen. And then we’d have to have the package that the Magic like the most
Even though it would. in theory, “fuck us for the next 2-3 years” if he didn’t re-sign, I’m not so sure about that. To me, it comes down to: do we have a better opportunity to win the title with him post-trade, as opposed to just standing pat. There’s no question we’d be better off long term, but this year, we may just be spinning our wheels, or even moving backwards. Then if he left, we really are in trouble.
The thing is, with our current squad, if we don’t get it done this year, I could see a situation where we take a pretty sizeable step back. It would be the second year in a row that we couldn’t beat the Heat, and we really wouldn’t have many avenues to add new talent. So I could see the players starting to become disheartened, along with key guys like Boozer and Rip being a year older.
I think if I was Garpax, and the opportunity presented itself, I would go for it. They’re just not gonna have many other opportunities to pair Derrick up with a player of that caliber
Injuries. Fuck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 AM CST up reply actions
That would be a dumb trade for Orlando
If you’re dealing Dwight, you better rebuild: how are you gonna do it when 3 years from now, you have over 30 million comitted to two average player (which I believe Amare and Tyson would be by then). Well, if anyone can pull it off, it’s Otis Smith.
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
Agreed
Heck, the Nuggets probably got the best haul of talent in recent memory for a star player. They may even be just as good if not better than before (although I’d argue this was because Melo was overvalued), but I still highly doubt they win a championship. Plus, they have Gallinari as a RFA next year. He’s going to cost them quite a bit. My guess is the remain a good playoff team for awhile and then get screwed when they have to pay all those guys.
That’s the best case scenario. Most of the time, teams are going to end up being simply mediocre for quite some time. Why wouldn’t you just hunt down a team that can offer the most expiring or soon expiring contracts and draft picks. If Dwight really wants NJ, let him go there. A trade of Dwight+Hedo for Okur+Morrow+Farmar+Lopez+James+Brooks+picks would do it (sadly can’t get Humphries out of it until March 1 and even then he’d have to approve). NJ has nobody left on their roster but DWill, Howard, Humphries, and a bunch of crap. That said, they’d basically only have Howard and DWill on the books next year. One more piece plus role players and ring chasers should give them a pretty good team. From the Magic perspective, they get a solid young player in Brooks, maybe they can sign Lopez again (or not), and some draft picks. More importantly, they would only have like 20millionish on the books in two years. Hopefully one of those draft picks (or your own) is a good player and you can have some young talent to surround a veteran free agent with.
Trading for Amare and Chandler is dumb, especially in seeing how poorly they have worked together.
I agreed mostly except for the part
where you said that “maybe” they were better than before: I think they are definitively better than they were last year with Melo. I think they are doing what Demps tried to do this offseason with the Hornets: Deal your star for 3-4 good players, make the playoffs this year to have some profit and next offseason deal 2-3 or 3 of them for an all-star.
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
kinda off topic
but you know, mike brown would be a better coach for the knicks than d’antoni, they have the right type of roster for mike brown
Waiting for the Prodigal Son to Return KH12 BITCHES!!!!
In the Chemi-meter we trust!
im fine with a coach that doesn't fit them well
because i want them to do bad and miss the playoffs. I don’t appreciate all the love and attention they get.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Why exactly would Orlando do that deal?
They need young talent and/or lottery picks. Amare and Tyson aren’t changing the fortunes of that franchise; that team would be looking at first and second round exits. NBA hell.
its going to happen and then baron will come back and you will all learn for ever doubting my preseason prediction of the nba champion new york knicks
By popular demand I am putting a moratorium on the Melo talk until the Knicks win the title in June.
hey sin
quit mentioning your fucking predictions, and then stop making more predictions
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 15 recs
Homie, you make angryandy look like a Mensa candidate
by C Smoove on Jan 23, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
will say this
i dont think you can win with melo..iverson took the blame and now stat but imo, melo just a ball hog
when that doesn't happen, are you forever forced to drop the idiot Knick fan bit or face Souleaterdom?
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by dantheman3k on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
If its wrong
u never get to predict anything on this forum and just bc u picked the knicks when the big stars went there means basically nothing now if u were to pick Dallas like last year or NJ and they win thats a big one but just bc u picked one of like 6 maybe 7 teams in the east that are actually good means nothing except u just got a 1/6 chance to be a douche a try to back up calling for melo all last year.
by ChicagoStyle on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
At least they win
when Melo scores 1 point in 30 minutes.
I think this is the best the Magic can do.
Amare needs spacing and orlando offense is predicated on taking threes like amrae’s phoenix teams were and his knicks team was last season. Orlando would have more big man depth as well. Now for the knicks, if you want one man to fix all of your defensive woahs, Dwight is just the man to do that.
I'm talking about amare though, he doesnt need nash, he was making it work with raymond felton last season.
Jameer is a good pick and roll player, this year he is playing like shit though but he did just state that all the dwight rumors have affected his game a little bit, so maybe he snap out of it.
Wait a minute
I thought under the new CBA a player who signed as a free agent like Tyson Chandler did can’t get traded by his new team for at least 6 months. Am I right or did I misread that rule in the new agreement?
They can save the world if they don't kill each other first.
by squadron supreme on Jan 23, 2012 6:15 PM CST reply actions
the old rule was 3 months
but you’re right it’s likely Stephen A not knowing the rules.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
"i will preface my statement by telling you that they have categorically denied this..."
lol. what an asshole. i know they would deny no matter what, but everything that guy says just pisses all over the intelligence of his audience
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
I'm still stunned that he was right about Lebron to the Heat
It pisses me off, because normally I would just say “Oh, nvm it’s Stephen A Smith”, now I Have to actually think about tit for a second or two
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
at least it's still attached to "basketball analysis" that you can just ignore
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
So what would they look like post Howard?
Davis/Fields/Anthony/Jeffries/Howard?
still, meh.
Magic would be:
Nelson/Richardson/Turkoglu/Stoudemire/Chandler?
barf
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
Yeah not the most amazing
for either team and thats alot riding on Davis being able to return to GS/Dallas series form along with enough touches going around for all three would howard be happy being the sidekick to Melo’ i dunno who knows with the way howard has been and noone knows what Magic r thinking Otis seems to be on the hot seat so u never know.
by ChicagoStyle on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
no lineup with jameer nelson in it looks all that good right now
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls should beat that!
Still think we can offer a better package but thats just bc i think noah is better than STAT just bc his knees and horrible attitude towards defense and inability to play alot of minutes plus noah went to florida dunno if they would like him as much as STAT atleast fanbase-wise but honestly im leaning towards keeping depth for now.
STAT really, really sucks. no defense, no rebounding, no passing and he can only score
if a good PG giftwraps points for him. have you seen jameer nelson this year? what a pile of old shit for orlando.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
Honestly, somebody wake me up and let me know when he's been traded because at this point
I could care less about anything any of these alleged “sources” has to say about what is going on right now. Seriously, how many different teams/scenarios have been tossed out here as to where he wants to go by various, anonymous sources? Is Dwight just sitting around, weegie/Ouija boarding this all out with his people then giving out whatever it’s saying?
This could be a story for The Onion: “Sources Close To Dwight Howard Reveal that 30 NBA Teams would love to sign Dwight Howard.”
John Paxson: The original Steve Kerr.
by Locust_Inferno_666 on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 AM CST reply actions
Honestly, somebody wake me up and let me know when he’s been traded…
such a locust thing to do.
"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."
"Hey guys what's up I'm coming to Chicago...or maybe the Nets!...maybe Dallas!...oh lol j/k I'm just trollin' da NBA like a mofo LOL."
John Paxson: The original Steve Kerr.
by Locust_Inferno_666 on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
funnt thing is that he will be more of the "man" next to rose than melo
melo aint givin up that rock
hmm
Melo had more assists than points today lol
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