Derrick Rose injury: held out of Thursday practice, not ruled out for Cavs game

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2012 8:27 AM CST

[Note by your friendly BullsBlogger, 01/20/12 9:27 AM CST: Rose missed the Friday morning shootaround, but had plenty to say about the injury:

Rose, for the first time, admitted the injury is worse than the turf toe that bothered him during his second season, which didn't cause him to miss any games. He also said he can't bend the toe. And also for the first time, Rose said he has "a little regret" for averaging 40 minutes in back-to-back games against Boston and Toronto last weekend.

There's more at the link. If you're wondering how that jives with the one actually controlling the playing time, this is a pretty revealing quote from Thibs: "Nobody can say how he feels. He has to say how he feels. If he's feeling good, then he plays."]

Tom Thibodeau's birthday may have been Tuesday, but he received a late present with an actual practice at the Berto Center on Thursday. Unfortunately, Derrick Rose didn't participate, and Thibodeau was on AM1000 the day before to make the diagnosis seem even less clear than before, calling it "more of a sprain than the turf toe".

My limited knowledge indicates that turf toe is a type of sprain, so...I dunno. Maybe it IS turf toe, just not severe? Thibodeau does mention Rose's history with the injury, and (Dr.) Scoop Jackson haphazardly threw out there that "rumors are...that this injury is pre-existing and possibly degenerative". I'd make a dig about Scoop's own production being degenerative if it was ever somewhere to degenerate from, but why not thrown that potential nonsense on this pile of worry. ESPN employs the guy, but they also put out this keen graphic of a toe, so it's pretty much a wash.

It's still a question is whether Rose will play in the weekend games at Cleveland and against Charlotte, a couple that are winnable even without the MVP. While Thibs is dismissing a planned absence and insisting it's a day-to-day injury, KC Johnson lays out the fortuitous timing if the Bulls did go that route:

If Rose misses both those games, he will have had eight full days of rest before next week's schedule arrives. That week is one of the most normal of the entire season, with three straight home games and no back-to-back games. The Bulls play at home Monday, Wednesday and Friday with practice days in between, a rarity in this compressed, lockout-induced schedule.

After that, the Bulls' season-high, nine-game trip begins with a Sunday afternoon game in Miami.

It may be something the Bulls wrestle with all season, and seemingly all teams are doing something similar in this lockout schedule. Just recently TrueHoop did some impressive work looking at the total season minutes for stars from title teams, and at least in terms of correlation it may work out for Rose to lose some miles off the season odometer.

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really hope he gets better

Kudos to the front office for pushing the breaks

by Belize on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions

KC with an update and refers to it as turf toe

@KCJHoop K.C. Johnson
Be shocked if Rose plays. Said this turf toe is worse than his 2nd season. He can’t bend toe. Has “a little regret” he played last weekend.

by bryield on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 AM CST reply actions 5 recs

son of a bitch.

by obnoxious american on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

This might be a good learning experience for DRose and the whole team.

Derrick probably needed to learn that there are times where you need to ease up. The team might also benefit by learning to exist with out him.

Rest him as long as he needs. Might make for some panic attacks around here for a little while, but long term it is necessary.

by bleigh82 on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

i get what you're saying

But what about first seed over the Heat?

by kpd on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

who gives a shit

Let’s just make sure we’re well-rested when the playoffs start. We’ll still play them 7 games

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

But please, Derrick , be healthy when you play the Heat.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 20, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

KC makes some interesting points.

However it seems simply intuitive to me especially with a condensed brutal schedule that Rose and Deng, the ones logging so many minutes and the ones performing the best so far will need to log less to be in decent shape by the end of the year. There have been a lot of injuries league wide already from the schedule and there will be more of course.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 20, 2012 9:24 AM CST reply actions

Glad I'll be driving through 3-5 inches tonight

to watch a Roseless Bulls, At least its still a very winnable game without him.

#10 You will be missed.

by Bricks and Ivy on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

I'll be doing the same on Sat night against the Bobcats.

Without Rose, I may, gulp, end up cheering for Scal…..which makes me kind of sick.

by dakoose on Jan 20, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions

Snow games are great for a cheap guy like me

I live in Chicago and it’s a quick bus ride up to the UC. You can always find heavily discounted seats on those days, especially against worse opponents.

by runningman on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Updated with KC's shootaround story

not good.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

well we know what we need to do with anthony tolliver now.

also, wow, that girl’s not annoying

by obnoxious american on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions

people are so dumb.

from the comments:

ZachSr at 9:32 AM January 20, 2012
This is what I hate about the NBA: a TOE SPRAIN sidelines players for a week. Duncan Keith lost 7 TEETH on a play in hockey. He came off the ice, had his gums stitched up, and was back on the ice in about 10 minutes. Now THAT is a man earning his pro athlete paycheck!

yeah, last time i checked, you don’t need teeth to be able to run.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

newspaper comments sections make this place seem like a think tank

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 15 recs

lol, true

i usually don’t read them, but that particularly dumb sentiment caught my eye.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions

Ha. Well said.

by bleigh82 on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions

There is so much truth to this

that simply giving it a rec doesn’t seem good enough.

by bryield on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

This isn't a think-tank?

by jpx7 on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

we've been lured here under false pretenses!

"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard

by SidM on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs

Definetly a tank... not much thinking though

by MilkThenClear on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

drink tank

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions

Thibs put it on Rose again.

I’d think a sit down with his trainers should be in order. Try to devise a strategy for his injury …something better than “if he feels good then he plays”. Last time I checked Rose didn’t have a medical degree. These aren’t playoff games we are talking about. Only then would I think this a good strategy.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions

Derrick Rose, MD

I see a lot of post-career sitcom potential for him; that humble-bot schtick could be a goldmine.

by jpx7 on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions

worse than turf toe? ok, you know what...if it wa worse than turf toe, he owuld be out for two months, lol

by Geo4MVP on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

Sit him til the heat game

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM CST reply actions

At this point I don't even care about the Heat game

If turf toe requires at least 3 weeks of rest, the Bulls should just shut him down until (at the earliest) the NJ game on Feb. 6. Then again, I’m not that type of doctor.

by bryield on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions

yeah, let's see how this team can come together without him.

if they look anything like they do against the suns over time, imagine what they’ll be like after adding a rejuvenated derrick. holy crap.

by obnoxious american on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions

...what kind of doctor are you?

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by dantheman3k on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

I prescribe learning to unruly college students...

Actually, Sonty and I have something in common (per his website). We both teach political science.

by bryield on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions

professor?

shiiiit I better shut my laptop just in case

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by ThorCo on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

i like how you slid that in there

you just became hot property among BaB’s single female readers. of which there are undoubtedly millions

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by paddyfairview on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

I think you're confusing BaB for Canis Hoopus.

After all, Minny does have that Rubio/Bieber kid who attracts the ladies.

by bryield on Jan 20, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

rubio/bieber? call thibs, i figured out how to neutralize ricky: unleash pippen

link

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by paddyfairview on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions

These guys have proven to me that they'll be fine until he returns

Im with you. I don’t want him playing anymore games until that toe is back to normal.

CJ should be trusted with the way he’s been playing

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by Option27 on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

as I noted in the post, I find it interesting how Thibs/Rose discussed playing time

it really does seem like the time is up to Rose and him alone. He’s the one who feels regret for playing so many minutes, and Thibs basically puts onus on Rose to tell him if he’s healthy enough to play.

the issue is that Thibs either has a sit/playashitload mindset. He has to be better situationaly, that Raptors 4th quarter the most glaring example.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 AM CST reply actions 3 recs

That's exactly the game I was thinking of.

And I find it a little scary Thibs would leave the decision to play mostly up to Rose. Rose definitely has that killer drive and desire to play which is great but needs to be reined in by a coach and/or trainer when necessary. “Healthy enough to play” is so vague always but our team depends on him being healthy for the playoffs. In my mind that Toronto situation is exactly when the coach needs to take him out in the 4th quarter.

"Fast Don't Lie"

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions

He did limit Rip on his first game back

by limiting him to one stint per half. I think it was Sam who said he was ensuring that he wouldn’t go in there cold and reinjure himself.

So he’s capable of thinking about this stuff, just not with Rose or Deng it seems.

by runningman on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

maybe thibs knows his own vices

and he knows if he has deng or rose able to go into the game, he might insert them into the game for prlonged periods of time just to ensure victory…..I apologize, cuz this is the only way i can describe it……Its like the game PokeMon, you have these two pokemon that you are like completely proud of, by far your best pokemon, and you feel they win no matter what the matchup, but in this particular situation they are both very low on health. Now you know you should not put them in the battle because they probably cant survive it, but you find yourself, maybe not losing, but struggling a little, so despite not wanting too, you fall back on them. Then when they start whoopin ass you forget that you probably should never have played them…..

SOmething like that……yea…..

:runs away in embarrassment:

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by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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by ThorCo on Jan 20, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

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by SidM on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions

did you do that on purpose?

or were you posting this?

by obnoxious american on Jan 20, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions

so rose and deng = video game, and thibs = child playing nintendo ds in the back seat?

by kpd on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

In my opinion it shouldn't be up to either guy

The organization should be stepping to the plate. If you can’t play a shitload of minutes, you probably shouldn’t play.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions

i really doubt it is

i dont know exactly how plugged in these beat reporters are but i have a hard time believing JR spends tens of millions on guys and doesnt have org reps making calls based on what trainers tell them. seems like bad business.

"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat

by paddyfairview on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

That's a sensible perspective, but...

this problem, coupled with the Noah debacle from last year, and Rip’s immediate aggravation of the groin, suggests that either the medical staff has shown signs of incompetence, or Thibs and the higher-ups really are dumb enough to grunt to their ultra-competitive star: “You good to go, Pooh?”, and assume that he’s fine based on his response.

Minutes are definitely an issue, but either the team is stuck in a ’60s football mentality (i.e. if you can walk, you can play), or the medical staff needs an upgrade.

by Paul Warfield on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions

It's time for necktie-grabbing Pax

by JustAnotherFan on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

If Rose sits a while I wonder if he can still put shots up.

One benefit might be a brief uptick on the three ball when he returns if he is allowed to shoot. Not sure if that is the case though. His conditioning will no doubt take a bit of a hit though.

by bleigh82 on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM CST reply actions

Sit him as long as it takes.

This could honestly be good for the Bulls in the long run (as silly as that sounds). While this will undoubtedly hurt playoff positioning, a 100% Rose is more important. The possible upside here is that Rip, Deng, Boozer, and Noah are really going to have to step up. Perhaps many of the issues that those players are having can get worked out on the floor. They have shown that they can get the job done. He could sit out until half way through February and the Bulls would still have over half a season left including 3 games against Miami, their only game against OKC, 2 against Philly, 2 against Orlando, 2 against Indiana, 2 against Atlanta, and their only games against OKC, San Antonio, Denver, and Dallas. Honestly, between now and February 12th, the only games of importance I see are Jan 25th against Indiana, Jan 29th against Miami, February 1 against Philly, and February 2 against New York (although that’s a stretch right now). So that’s possibly 4 important and very tough to win games without Rose between now and then and only 13 games total in that stretch. If the Bulls lost all 4 of those tough ones and won 5 of the remaining 9 (Charlotte 1 of 2, Washington, Milwaukee 1 of 2, NJ 1 of 2, New Orleans 1 out of 2) that would put them at 5 and 8 over that stretch for a 18-11 overall record with 37 to go and a fully healed Rose (theoretically). An 18-11 record (percentage wise) would put the Bulls 7th in the East currently. That’s not too shabby considering this is probably an absolute worst case scenario and assumes teams like Indiana and Atlanta (without Horford) will continue winning at their current rate. Bulls should easily then be able to close the gap on most of those teams since they have plenty of games against those teams after that point. I’d even be willing to bet the Bulls could keep a top 4 seed with Rose out.

Bottom line: sit him as long as it takes. Bulls games will be less fun to watch, they will lose more often, but they can still be ready for a playoff run and there may be some additional benefits.

by DRoseO1 on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

I agree...

and it won’t happen.

by Paul Warfield on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

=p

by Belize on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions 6 recs

Have him sit out at least 2 weeks. Re-evalutate him, and then take it from there. They should

still be able to win a decent amount of games w/o him.

On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.

by BlackStar on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions

DENG-IT!

#10 You will be missed.

by Bricks and Ivy on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

lol

I’d make a dig about Scoop’s own production being degenerative if it was ever somewhere to degenerate from

by JustAnotherFan on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

scoops content might be....blech

but i do like his writing style, especially his earlier stuff when he used to utilize pop culture elements and sort of brilliantly infuse them into his sport topics, often using rap songs and such. Actually im sort of interested in whos written work yfbb actually DOES like.

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

"whos[e] written work yfbb actually DOES like."

Sonty’s.

by jpx7 on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions

Klosterman.

by Micdiddy on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

rec rec rec rec rec rec rec

*infinity

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions

And here's a little more evidence of Scoop's extremely limited authorial capacity

From today’s 3-on-3: Season-long worry about Rose?:

Scoop Jackson: Fiction. I think the Sixers and the Pacers will be the surprise teams in the East that no one saw coming on Christmas Day when the season began. They’ll be everyone’s "sexy" pick, they’re Vegas gamble. But challenging the Bulls and Heat (and quietly the Hawks) in the East is a whole ‘nother piece. They will win the Atlantic. But that’s like the Broncos winning the AFC West. At the end of it all, we all know who is and will be supreme clientele.

First: There was a hell-of-a-lot of talk in the lead-up to the season concerning exactly the likelihood that the Pacers would be much improved, and that the Sixers would continue their ascension to “legitimate contender” status; apparently the “no one” to whom Scoop is alluding is himself.

Second: their “Vegas gamble” — unless he really means, “they are Vegas gamble.”

Third: I fucking love Ghostface, but that’s such a pointless, half-assed excuse for a reference.

by jpx7 on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions

I'm actually gonna predict a loss tonight, or at least a rough battle

Without Rose, there is always going to be the potential for another game like the road Memphis one. The Cavs have Kyrie Irving and Antwan Jamison, who are very capable and both are more of a go-to guy than anybody we have when Rose doesnt play.

Still, since we’re a game or so ahead of Miami in the standings still, it’s probably the right move.

by kpd on Jan 20, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions

i think the bulls will win tonight...

itll be a close battle, but i think rip and watson will be the difference makers. One big thing to look for tonight is whether boozy can continue his production. Not expectign another 30 pt performance, but 16-18 pts would be satisfactory.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

If Boozer's jumpshot is hitting,

It won’t even be close imo. If his offense isn’t going and we have to struggle to score and all that, then yeah look for a game going down to the wire with Gibson and Asik in the entire 4th.

by Micdiddy on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions