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Around the NBA thread 1/18: games worth watching.

ESPN has the Trailblazers at the Hawks followed by the Mavericks at the Clippers. But if you have access to other games, there's more! The Spurs try to bounce back from their loss to the Heat and beat the Magic in Orlando. I may be most excited to see the Nuggets in Philadelphia, giving the surprising 76ers a real test (the first of three test games for the 76ers, with the Hawks visiting on Friday and the Heat visiting on Saturday).

The Thunder should slaughter the Wizards even if they are on the road, but by how much? If the Celtics have trouble with the Raptors in Boston or the Knicks have trouble with the Suns in New York, and they might, that's a problem for the Celtics and Knicks and makes the 76ers' road even easier. In other news, the Grizzlies play the Hornets in New Orleans, the Pistons play the Timberwolves (Rubio! Love!) in Minnesota, and the Pacers play the Kings in Sacramento. With eleven games on the slate, and some good matchups, it should be a fun night to watch the competition and hope Rose heals quickly.

Just for the fun of it, here's a poll after the jump:


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Where will the Philadelphia 76ers finish in the Eastern Conference?
First
1 votes
Second
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Third
22 votes
Fourth
23 votes
Fifth
12 votes
Sixth
3 votes
Seventh
1 votes
Eighth
0 votes
Out of the playoffs.
0 votes

66 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm going to give the 76ers the benefit of the doubt and put them at third in the East,

behind the Bulls and the Heat, mostly because their competition is weak. I think the Celtics are in decline and the Knicks are going to continue to disappoint. The Hawks lost Horford and the Magic have too many distractions — and may very well end up trading Howard for lesser players who don’t know the system. The Pacers just aren’t there yet and I think that even if Philadelphia comes back to earth — which they almost certainly will — they will still be good enough to finish third in the East.

by Tim S. on Jan 18, 2012 4:49 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You keep saying Philly is going to come back to Earth

What are you basing this on? Obviously, they’ve had an incredibly weak schedule so far. It does still mean something that they consistently beat weaker teams like Washington, Toronto, Golden State, and Detroit by 20+ points. It means they’re a lot better than those teams and should be considered upper echelon. I’m really excited to find out just how good they are.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawes is also 23 years old

Why the assumption that he needs to regress to where he was from 19-22?

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He could come back to earth and still be the most improved player in the league.

Until this year, he really hasn’t been a good player. So far this year, he’s been a great player.

by Tim S. on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

True, it is a ridiculously huge jump

I can understand skepticism, but watching him play, I don’t see him doing anything too fluky. Against better defensive teams, his shooting % should drop some, but he’s definitely a better scorer than he was in the past.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

He's hitting well over 50% on his long 2s

Nobody’s that good, so that’ll come back down to earth.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

OKC playing Washington

Let’s see if Westbrook is as good as Lucas

by JustAnotherFan on Jan 18, 2012 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

Westbrook is such a douche

And I’m way past the whole constantly comparing other pg’s to Derrick thing, I’m back to just enjoying watching the Bulls and the rest of the league. But the way he does his stupid ass celebrations after hitting shots, and acting like the World is gonna end when he misses, is just annoying as fuck. Can’t stand the guy. I seriously think I like Rondo more than him (which is blasphemy, I know)

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

i think rondo is a smarter player than westbrook

westBRICK has so much talent and is almost as athletic as Rose. He really is underachieving, but right fully so. Why? Because a thickheaded prick who thinks hes better than Durant. Bitch ass doesnt deserve an awesome teammate like Durant.

Rondo on the other hand is not so talented and yet, he still finds way to get the job done. Sure, hes not a good shooter (AT ALL), but I respect the fact he doesnt try to be a thickheaded prick like WestBRICK.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

rondo is pretty thickheaded.

He broke a tv when doc was criticizing his game.

by gooses on Jan 18, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

errr, more like hot headed, lol

im talking about on the court, not off the court events

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Rondo is pretty hotheaded on the court as well.

I’ve never seen a Celtics game where he wasn’t yelling at a teammate or ref.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's still better than seeing Westbrook celebrate like a dumbshit after every made shot

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Philly up 10 at home against Denver

Hawes is out, but it turns out that Elton Brand still has some skills.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions  

Brand was decent last season

hence, why i picked him as my PF in my fantasy league :)

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a minute

So YOU’RE Torch…lol

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

and for the record, i reallllly miss Brand on the bulls

after rose, he was my second favorite bull post-Jordan era.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

The Sixers are the real deal

No way of getting around it. They’re almost perfectly constructed for today’s NBA. They have versatility, athletic wings that can score and defend., bigs that can shoot and score, and a hell of a coach that they believe in, and preaches defense first.

Maybe some people have forgotten since all the attention has been on the Heat for a while, but they handled us with ease the last two times we played them. One of those games was at home. Rose also struggled with their athleticism on the perimeter. I still think we could probably take them in a series if we had home court, but it is far from a lay-up.

Also, the more I watch the Hawks, once they get Hinrich and Horford back (i think I heard Horford would be back in time for the playoffs, correct me if I’m wrong), they’ll pose similar problems. They look like a smarter team this year. The ball is moving, and Josh Smith has been fantastic.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, but that time we didnt have rip nor a healthy boozer

well see this time around.Its gonna be a tough matchup that Ill give you.

As for the hawks, Horford might be out for the playoffs too. His injure is so severe that most doctors are saying minimal healing time is three months, but most likely its the whole season.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, we've improved as well, no doubt

Which is why I still think we’d win a series against those guys. I’m excited to see how this team plays once everyone is on the floor together. Last night gave me hope that we won’t be as Derrick Rose reliant as I thought we’d be.

As for Horford, I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

thats b/c rip returned...

and lucas is no longer our starting pg. Rip makes huge difference for this bulls offense. Hes such a good passer and it seems like hes THE PG when rose is not playing. Majority of boozer points is really thanks to rip spacing the floor for both noah adn booz ( not taking anything away from booz though…he was ridiculous yesterday).

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's just strange to consider someone a PG

when he barely dribbles. I love how quickly he recognizes what the defense is doing and makes decisions. I think we’ll be really glad to have Rip vs a young player with similar stats in the playoffs. He really has seen it all before.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah and his experience will be super helpful in the playoffs

I have a feeling if the bulls do beat the heat, itll not be mainly because of booz, noah, and/or deng, but b.c of rip experience. Hopefully he is the missing piece to the bulls offense that can help beat the heat.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Boozer played the first time the Sixers beat the Bulls. He was benched in the 4th for sucking on defense despite scoring 31 points.

I remember that game because the Sixers were up by one possession late, Korver didn’t box out Nocioni who had a putback to seal it.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, I'm sot sure why the "experts" still talk about the East as if it's the red headed step child

I think the East is a better conference than the West. A lot of those teams out West are getting credit for what they’ve done in the past, and others, like Denver and Portland are being overrated (both teams have a great home court advantage, but mostly play like dogs on the road)

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

portland is overrated, idk bout denver though

but ur right, the east is def underrated. Thats fine though…well let the eastern conf all stars whoop the western conf all star bitches :)

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The East is better at the top

The West is deeper. Once we get deeper in the season, and strength-of-schedule and home/road splits even out, we’ll be able to see who’s actually good.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

What does "deeper" even mean though?

Their seven and eight seeds are a bit better than the East’s seven and eight seeds? I don’t even see how that matters. As we saw yesterday with the Suns, there’s a lot of garbage hanging around at the bottom of that conference

I mean, OKC is really the only team that looks like a legitimate title contender, and they’re not even that impressive

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

it doesn’t mean that much, except that the teams have fewer off days. You can lose to the Suns in Phoenix on a given night.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess when it comes to which team has to play tougher opponents.

But at some point elite is elite. Miami or Chicago would be crushing teams no matter who they played.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's funny how the Knicks have worked to make Amare irrelevant

after building their team around him a year ago. Now he’s taking nothing but long 2 pt shots, and Tyson Chandler is getting twice as many pick and roll looks as he is.

I guess they’re preparing for when his knee finally goes. They can replace him with a non-defending non-rebounding stretch 4 and not even notice he’s gone.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

If the coaches make him an All Star, and we only get one, that would be ridiculous

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate Josh Smith.

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by MRubio52 on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 PM CST reply actions  

Denver v. Philadelphia

I think if these two teams played once a day they would take turns winning and losing. They are like odd copies of each other.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

I think the home team would win every game.

Philly is really missing Spencer Hawes. All of their other big men are undersized. Nene wouldn’t be dominating to this extent with Hawes in there.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, Orlando games are so predictable.

If it’s a close game, you know that Dwight is getting his numbers and the team’s 3 point shooting is abysmal.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

So true

They’re WAY too reliant on three point shooting.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true as well

I think SVG is doing about as good as he can with that group. Love that guy

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Jameer Nelson became horrible overnight.

Just watched Tony Parker take over after Orlando went to Duhon and Von Wafer at the guard spots.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Good to see Kevin Love dominating while his team is losing to the Pistons at home

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

Did you see the rumor

that the Timberwolves are not going to offer him a max contract, but one closer to the max that any team could give him?

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

And even though I don’t think he’s worth the max, if you’re Minnesota you HAVE TO get that done.

If I were GM I would sign him, then after a year or two of floundering at or below .500, I would try and trade him and get a Melo like package

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is that they have more than enough depth

They need more talent at the top. They need somebody better than Kevin Love, not trading him for several players worse than him. Or simply to play Rubio and Derrick Williams more to see if they can be those impact players.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, they won't be better right away

but if they got a draft pick or two, along with some other nice, young pieces, they’ll still be fine imo

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Best power forward in the game?

Except he can’t play a lick of defense and is shooting 43% from the field.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

This is an area where you need to look at more advanced shooting numbers

No one else takes the amount of 3 point shots that he does and fg% completely ignores that.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He's still a power forward. So a semblance of his game would involve converting high percentage shots.

Love has been abysmal at close range thus far. Without that aspect of his game he might as well be Raef LaFrentz with passing ability.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Nowitzki's fg% is 47% compared to Love's 44%

Love’s TS% is 57.3 compared to Nowitzki’s 55.4. Nowitzki is also getting to the line 4.9 times per game compared to Love’s 9.5. Love is a more efficient scorer this year so far. If Nowtizki can win a championship shooting from outside as a PF, I don’t see what Love is doing that hurts his team.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Dirk shot 47% from 3-9 feet last season. Love is shooting 32% thus far.

I’m not saying his game is bad but he’s not top of his class without that kind of hole in his game. If that corrects itself during the season then he basically is Dirk Nowitzki.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

For John Wall, 6-16 shooting is like 13-16 shooting

so Westbrook needs to step it up defensively!

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

Hey

Wall had that one good offensive game

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah! I remember that.

That was when… um….

… yeah…

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The good thing about this season is that everybody's offensive numbers are down

making Wall feel less lonely. Of course he still has to explain why Kyrie Irving looks so much better than him.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, OKC is getting destroyed on the boards.

And it may cost them the game… against Washington… wow.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

I mean offensive boards.

And they are turning the ball over like crazy.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuckin Sixers came back

15-8 scoring in the fourth. Very good defensive team

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 PM CST reply actions  

Are the Wizards really playing Vesely in impact minutes?

I thought it was clear that his draft kiss would be the highlight of his career.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:10 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, Evan Turner is having a good season.

Watch out Derrick! He’s out for revenge!!!!

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

I remain unimpressed

He’s a lot better than he was last year, but I think he’s still thoroughly mediocre.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I need back story

I thought Evan was taken in the same draft as Wall?

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by macjack09 on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, it all started when he was on a field trip in high school and got bitten by a spider...

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wrong back story

His rich parents were killed in a dark alley while he was a kid.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yo dawg, I heard you liked batman

so we killed your parents.

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Michael Jordan

by MRubio52 on Jan 18, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

say what now?

Chicago, A Drinking Town With A Sports Problem

"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
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by MRubio52 on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Andre Miller is a baaaaad man

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

(Sixers will still win tho. No defense for Nugs)

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Wiz got robbed

That didn’t look like it was goal tending.

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by macjack09 on Jan 18, 2012 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

this Nuggets-76ers game has been pretty good

the 76ers have like 4 guys who can take you off the dribble and finish. But they haven’t been able to handle Andre Miller’s old man game

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 18, 2012 8:25 PM CST reply actions  

Yep, Boston is going to win

But Rondo’s assist per game are going to drop!!

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

The NBA really needs to look into modifying their offensive foul rules

so that players are less likely to try taking a charge.

I’m tired of seeing close games decided on which player can jump in front of another player and fall down better.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

"truTV is like BET for white folks." - Chuck
"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation

by macjack09 on Jan 18, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Kendrick Perkins was perfectly useless in this game.

Starting to wonder if it was worth dealing for him.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

And I still wonder why he lost all that weight.

His only real in-game advantage was being able to bang around down low. Now he’s not big enough to do that effectively.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe his supplier got arrested...

I know, we’re supposed to pretend NBA players are all clean.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

They really didn't need Jeff Green

and they cleared space for Harden to play more. I say it was worth it.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see what Green has do to with Harden's PT.

Perkins has basically taken Green’s playing time. Harden plays more now because he’s no longer a fantastic liability on defense. Frankly, I still don’t see a purpose in starting Thabo over him.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Harden's getting plenty of minutes at the 3

Check out the 5 man lineups. He’s getting almost all of the backup 3 minutes in addition to significant SG minutes.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm, interesting.

Well he’s certainly big and strong enough to do it. Still, I don’t think his minutes would still be held back if they had Green. If anything Thabo would see less action.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe

But listen to Scott Brooks when people ask him about starting Harden. He loves starting Sefolosha and doesn’t intend to change that anytime soon. Basically they didn’t want to pay what Green wanted when they felt he could be replaced by players they already had. At least Perkins was the best center on their roster when they got him.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

i think losing perkins really hurt the celtics

with KG aging, their team is struggling on rebounds.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

No offense to Green because I do understand what he's going thru

But at least Perkins is playing

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by macjack09 on Jan 18, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a worthwhile trade, but he's just not nearly as good as advertised

The contract they gave him is the only thing that’ll hurt them though. Green only hold them back

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

*held them back

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hi, I'm Gary Neal, and I think i'll just win this game right now, if you don't mind...

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

"The Brooklyn Bigs"!

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Melo is playing on one leg so there's that. But Amare just looks like garbage.

Knicks would have been better off saving $20 million and keeping David Lee.

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

i jus love how all the super team bullshit screwed them over

i hope now that it screws over bitchass Howard (except if he changes his mind and comes to the bulls :)

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Lee started off slow this year, but he’s been heating up. Amare just looks lost out there.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And this is why I can't take Philly seriously yet.

1-4 against teams with winning records, and that one team is an Indiana team I can’t take seriously yet either. They have 4 wins against Washington, a win against Detroit, Sacramento and Toronto. If they are better than I think, then that’s good for them. But until they start beating someone I can’t think they are better than just a playoff team (which isn’t bad anyway.)

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

Wow

They’ve played Washington 4 times? LOL

Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers

by poker_punker on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

No

2 of those were preseason games

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Both their recent losses

New York and Denver, have come with Spencer Hawes out with back spasms. I’d withhold judgement on them a little longer. He’s been playing great.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I really hope not

I love how he was playing, and how Philly has been playing. They really need his size in there.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

that spencer hawes is so important to this team is enough of a reason to withold judgement on them.

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by TheMoon on Jan 19, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

And now

His trade value in my leauge is going up :)

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by T.Moore on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh he had a pretty good game today.

I’m referring to the season. Everything is down except his assists. And his TOs have gone up too.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

He's sucked ass since

Melo got to NY. Sophomore slump my ass.

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by chicity773 on Jan 18, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 19, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't have an offensive scheme any longer that gets him wide open shots

and less free rebounds now that they have a real center that gets minutes. Amazing that a top guard from last year according to Wages of Wins, could all of a sudden become nearly irrelevant.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, and my boi dalembert is doing well in houstan

hes the guy the knicks should have signed, not tyson. Tyson is overpaid for what hes really worth and instead they could have gotten Sammy for a cheaper contract and could have added on a pg.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Knicks suck.

And if they don’t finish at least .500 in a division with Toronto, New Jersey and the corpse of the Boston Celtics, then they should be wiped from the face of the NBA landscape. I love to exaggerate.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

Hibbert vs Cousins

13.9ppg vs 13.9ppg
9.8rpg vs 9.8rpg
53%fg vs 43%fg

by Stretch5000 on Jan 18, 2012 9:13 PM CST reply actions  

Indiana annoys me too.

9-3 because of another comically easy schedule. Sure, they beat the ultimate ‘Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde’ team Hawks, but other than that they’ve beaten up on crap. Can’t wait for their schedule to get hard.

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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah they have had another soft schedule

I think you answered someone else’s question above about why the East is still seen as weak. It’s because you can go 9-3 or 10-3 without beating anybody but scrubs.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Plus I love how they all talk mad shit about how good they are. That team doesn’t scare me in the least

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

i think teams will have a hard time adjusting to the bulls with rip healthy (KNOCK ON WOOD*)

most of the team defense is set on double teams and zone defense. I dont think that shit is gonna work anymore.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

forgot to mention that the pacers will def have hard time

those fuckers tried that last yr and then the heat and hawks stimulated similar defense against the bulls. I hope pacers are the first to pay !

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

It's amazing how these Western conference teams can only win at home

Have you guys looked at the splits? Oklahoma city is the only team out there who’s showing some consistency, and they just lost to the Wizards.

by runningman on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

Every time I watch the Clippers play, I get violently angry

when I remember how Derrick had to waste two years of growth with that doofus. The only good thing that came out of the Del Negro hiring was the insanely fun Boston series, but I think Derrick would be even further along right now if a guy like Thibs (or even Thibs himself) was hired to to coach him from the jump

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

i maintain we wouldve won that series with a different coach

and that core might be still together and might be better than the team we have now.

By popular demand I am putting a moratorium on the Melo talk until the Knicks win the title in June.

by sin on Jan 19, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ehhh

Nah….(Dont want Salmons and his jab step here)

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

hahaha

"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."

by TheMoon on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

So is it still to early?

Marshon Brooks…22pts, 8rebs, 6ast. 8-15 shooting tonight. He’s shooting 46% from the field so no he’s not a gunner.

When you have a team that would win 40 games without it’s best player, you don’t pass up on talent like that late in the draft when you can improve.Especially for a need position. I don’t care if Thibs would have him buried on the bench this year. He was a young talent with a load of potential that could have played with Rose for the next 5-10 years.

I don’t care what he’s doing overseas. Mitrioc better be a player in this league when he gets here because it’s looking like we passed on the best SG in the draft for him.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

and hes on my fantasy bball team!

i picked him right away even before he started doing well. I knew that kid was going to thrive in the NBA.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

however, i agree with you...

actually, with the injuries the bulls sustained, he would be playing. Unlike Butler (who wont get tiem thanks to Deng…btw, KNOW ON WOOD*), the SG position was more open since Brewer would have been sharing time with Brooks.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it looks like he might be pretty good (it's still WAY too early to say for sure, though)

but I don’t really fault the org for missing on him. They’ve been pretty outstanding in the draft, and I can understand why they’d pass on a guy that had a reputation as more of a me first player. They knew they were gonna look for a vet to fill that hole anyway. I love the approach they took with Mirotic. I’m as critical as anyone when it comes to the front office, but I think they deserve a lot more credit than they get for the way they’ve drafted.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, remember Terrance Williams?

he was another guy we could’ve drafted that was putting up similar numbers to Brooks, and where is he now? I wanna see Brooks do this (or close to this) for an entire year. And also, don’t forget that he’s an older player, so that might be a reason why he’s more polished this early

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He was drafted with the 25th pick.

Bulls had the 28th (traded) & 30th pick. Are you arguing that we should have traded for him on draft night with the Celtics (who actually drafted him).

"Before the game, we all thought he’d get 20 (points)," Chicago’s Kyle Korver said. "We didn’t know he’d shoot 28." - speaking about JLIII

by chicity773 on Jan 18, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

the Bulls moved up ahead and had a chance to draft him but took Mitrioc instead. Or I think Houston drafted him for the Bulls and the Bulls took Norris Cole. At any rate, the Bulls had a chance at Brooks before pick 25 but passed.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Jan 19, 2012 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

yes, its too early. right now from what ive seen hes mostly a chucker on a crappy team.

"We would look at each other with a glint of recognition and one of us would say, 'So you worry about ASIK, too,' as if admitting a secret vice. Then we would share our crazy ideas-- because all ideas about ASIK that are not immediately wrong turn out to be crazy."

by TheMoon on Jan 19, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Bucher and Del Negro: HAIR-OFF!

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 PM CST reply actions  

It's amazing, if there was no scoreboard I would swear the Clippers were up by 20 right now

due to every made basket by them being a lob, highlight dunk, tough shot, or three, yet I look, and the game is tied..

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

I think he has post moves, he just has no feel for the basket, or any touch

Once he gets in close he just tries to jump really high and do wacky shit

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

He really just needs to slow things down a bit. He's completely out of control

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

What post move does he have?

All he does is shoot long 2’s, dunk and get putbacks off of ORB’s. I think I’ve seen Booz score off of post moves more than Griffin has this season.

by dakoose on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, what qualifies as a post move?

I mean, he can back people down, spin left or right and elevate near the rim, but he’s just totally lost when it comes to finishing. So is it the actual finishing that makes it a post move?

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Any move where he starts in the post.

What he just did was take his man from almost 20 feet out. I’m talking about catching low and really using his size and leaping ability to get easy buckets. He doesn’t really have anything in that mold, yet. He’s still completely reliant on natural athleticism. Regardless, he’s damn good. Overrated, but damn good.

by dakoose on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

He was like 15 feet out?

Why does it matter where he starts from? Its not like he faced him up, he backed him down the whole way

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He's got post moves.

He’s got a good jump hook and a decent turnaround. He’s really good at going glass with those shots, too. He’s probably as good as anybody this side of Tim Duncan at that. The problem isn’t that he doesn’t have post moves. The problem is that it seems like he’d rather face up and dribble the ball between his legs five times before shooting a fadeaway than actually use those moves.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Right

I agree with Dakoose that he doesn’t seem to ever use post moves, but he definitely has them

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Blake's plan

Back man up, jump really high, dunk or miss, gets back and plays no defense

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Pacers lose to the Kings, which is nice

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Yea Pacers had em too.

Look at that 4th quarter beat down tho.

"Before the game, we all thought he’d get 20 (points)," Chicago’s Kyle Korver said. "We didn’t know he’d shoot 28." - speaking about JLIII

by chicity773 on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, wow, 26-8 in the fourth

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

See, that was a post move...

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 AM CST reply actions  

No it's not.

It’s not a post move when you start 20 feet out.

by dakoose on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a nice move, but that was more of a point guard or shooting guard move than a big man move.

He shouldn’t need to try crossovers and spin moves off the dribble from far out to get buckets.

by dakoose on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you're being picky

Who cares where he started at. He backed the guy down, made a “POST MOVE” and finished.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I mean, it's obvious that he has post moves

It’s just not his game at this point in his career. Which I agree is annoying. For some reason he likes facing up people more

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Jason fucking terry

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

Gee I wonder how DeAndre Jordan have 19 points....

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 AM CST reply actions  

Jason for 3 jason for 3

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions  

FUCKING KNEW IT!

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

Terry!

"Before the game, we all thought he’d get 20 (points)," Chicago’s Kyle Korver said. "We didn’t know he’d shoot 28." - speaking about JLIII

by chicity773 on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

Terry is that dude

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

Now...Lob to jordan or griff

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Wait this is VDN here

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

That's Vinny ball baby!

The Clips have no clue what the hell they’re doing out there.

by dakoose on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

VDN defense

amazing. chad ford said in a chat today if they don’t fire him, they aren’t serious

by The90sBullsRevival on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Looked like Terry hit it on one angle and Williams on another

"Before the game, we all thought he’d get 20 (points)," Chicago’s Kyle Korver said. "We didn’t know he’d shoot 28." - speaking about JLIII

by chicity773 on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

And the Mr. bigshot BS lives

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 AM CST reply actions  

Dallas SMH

At least the 3rd time this year getting burned late

"Before the game, we all thought he’d get 20 (points)," Chicago’s Kyle Korver said. "We didn’t know he’d shoot 28." - speaking about JLIII

by chicity773 on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 AM CST reply actions  

A lob

To Mahimi?!?!

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 AM CST reply actions  

Damn, that sucked

Wanted the Mavs to pull that one out

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 AM CST reply actions  

They saved the world bak then

Now its our turn

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I really, honestly, can not tell you who seeds 3-6 will be right now in the East, except that

Atlanta, Philly, Orlando, and Indiana will be them barring, internally, disaster in the form of injuries or bad trades or some inexplicable slump; or, externally, strengthening of the teams 7-15, again probably via some trade or another, or injury/personnel problems resolving leading to better play (looks over at the Knicks/Baron Davis, shakes head).

And, of course, seeing how they play the best of the best, namely us and Miami. I will say that at least Atlanta has gone toe-to-toe with both and could have gone 4-0 if not for melting down in the clutch once each against us and Miami. The Pacers got hosed by Miami and haven’t played us; Orlando got beat by us and haven’t played Miami; and the Sixers have gotten fat on cupcakes mostly and their best win was against Indy without Danny Granger…and they haven’t faced the Heat or us.

John Paxson: The original Steve Kerr.

by Locust_Inferno_666 on Jan 19, 2012 4:15 AM CST reply actions  

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