Bulls vs Phoenix Suns: 2011-12 Game Preview #16
[Thanks to marionette for today's game preview. No update on Rose Rose not participating in shootaround, per KC. But thanks to the commenters, a cryptic tweet from Rip suggesting he may play. I'm at the UC tonight, so selfishly I kinda hope everyone plays. Game thread up at 7:08. -ed.]
Tuesday. January 17, 2012 - 19:00 CST. My Suns visit my Bulls for their sole confrontation of this schedule screwy, truncated marathon, mother of an nba season. For me personally, these propitious polemics are highly prospected, possessing a precious poignancy perhaps paralleling, or possibly akin to, the cultured fine art paramour's passion for the Puccini. Or something like that.
What's that you say? All this alliteration and none of Grant Hill (aka, Mr Sig), one-time MVP Derrick Rose, and two-time MVP Steve Nash???
It is possible, there could be a star washout. Nash and Hill sat out Friday the 13th's Suns debacle against the visiting Nets, but returned from their sore and bruised right quadriceps, respectively, (apparently it's "sore" if you're 39 and "bruised" if 3 weeks shy of 38) to do battle with the Despicable Spurs on Sunday night. Nash had a 20 and 10 game, but no matter. The Suns lost their 4th straight and put on a 4th straight display of horrid defense, with Nash noticeably pained by some physical issue in the game's final moments. Could be a recurrence, but... I'm guessing Nash and Hill will play like I'm guessing there's a bona fide difference between "sprained toe" and "turf toe".
Before the bad streak, the Suns actually possessed a top defense through the initial 8, allowing opponents just 91.5 points per game. (The bad streak = 103 pts.) Elston Turner is newly on board this year as Defensive Assistant Coach, and it looked like he had made some progress, specifically in reaching Hakim Warrick, who early on seemed a more focused player at both ends, and a now-healthy Robin Lopez, who was effective while starter Marcin Gortat worked through early games with a splint on his hand.
- But Lopez' minutes have been cut way back, and he's not learned yet how to be an effective blend of kindred souls Noah and Varajo from off the bench. Don't anticipate him factoring in tonight. And while Warrick is capable in the paint off of Nash, it rarely happens against good interior defense.
- Head Coach Alvin Gentry still makes the D'Antoni choice of offense over defense. To wit: Shannon Brown plays 22min and shoots .364/.250. Markieff Morris is a top rookie, has played exactly the same total mins as Brown, shoots .500/.516(!), and yet Channing Frye is in at the end most often. Frye is up to .402/.326 after a rough 20% start, though. The Nash System requires 3pt perimeter shooters, even if they can't shoot, apparently.
- Younger than the oldest player in the NBA - Kurt Thomas - by merely one day, my Signature Man has looked it. Maybe Hill - and Nash - have been challenged most in the effort to get their bodies ready given the lockout shortened "preseason". He had some minor knee work done this off season, which was a surprise, I think, to all his free agency suitors. I won't repeat Grant Hill's embarrassing numbers after 11 games, but I will change my sig.
- Speaking of old vets and health, Michael Redd was picked up after the Suns had terrible perimeter shooting performances their first few games. He's seriously injured the same knee twice, and played just 700 NBA minutes since 2008. Made his first 2 Suns 3pt shots, and has gone 1-8 since. Despite the legendary Suns Training Staff, he still has a way to go, you'll see.
- Marcin Gortat and Markieff Morris are a very promising pair at the power positions, as you'll see as well. Jared Dudley is awesome, in his own "NBA's most athletic hands" way. If only the ownership and GM didn't believe "teams are best built through free agency" Suns fans might not have to wait until Sarver sells the team for things to begin looking up again.
- The Suns were 4-4 before the 4 game losing streak. Tonight's game in Chicago is the second of a five game trip, with NY, BOS, and DAL to follow. Considering the down trend, some Phoenix fans are wondering if Nash trade thoughts will finally enter the Organizational Minds at (potentially) 4-12. They finally get their first two days in a row off this season Saturday and Sunday, before the trip ends in Big D on Monday, while the Bulls get their second stint of two days off after tonight, before the game in Cleveland on Friday.
"Enough Phoenix Suns scouting report already, marionette!", you may be saying. "This is BlogABull, what about our team and our players?"
Alright-y then, let's start with #1. It's risky making predictions regarding potential injury DNPs like I did with Hill and Nash, the teams rarely give out status in much advance, and one merely looks foolish trying (your dear author's top concern, obviously, given the tone of this tome). But does anyone really expect Derrick to suit up tonight? Disappointment if he does (or doesn't)? Differences between sprained toe and turf toe? Derrick Rose's PER thus far is .1 higher than last year's MVP season, and the Suns chances will be very slim if he plays tonight, where the Bulls +15 pt differential at United Center leads the Association, I do believe.
The Suns lack the athletic bigs that often bother Boozer. But Gortat is skilled enough in the pick and roll with Nash to do major damage inside. One might expect Noah will check him, but not with Frye starting. And Morris has been their best 3pt shot early, taking only very good looks. Noah needs to refrain from wandering too far when helping to recover on the perimeter against them. In any case, the pick and roll with Nash is still a defensive test for any team.
Ronnie Price isn't exactly turnover prone, but he isn't exactly a point guard either. Look for the Bulls bench to do their usual damage against the Suns' 1 year contract crew of Price, Shannon Brown, and Sebastian Telfair (tho' he won't play unless Nash sits). (Where have you gone, Goran Dragic? O, where art thou, Zabian Dowdell?)
Deng has done well against his Duke idol Grant Hill in recent years. Let's hope that continues to the degree that Thibs gives Jimmy Butler a ton of 4th Q burn! (As if!!!)
The Cavs shot 10-19 and the Nets shot 15-32 from distance in Phoenix against the Suns last week. Do you read me Kyle Korver?
Even with a good defensive lineup like Nash - Dudley - Hill - Morris - Gortat, the Suns aren't a strong defensive team in transition, especially lately. You can often punish them on the boards too. If the Bulls sit Derrick again, they'll need to take advantage in these areas of the game, areas the Suns are weaker than the Grizzlies. Gear up the track game, the regular season prime objective, the easy basket.
The Bulls lost 5 games at home last year (I think) - Knicks, Magic, Clippers, Bobcats and 76ers - and none came after a previous loss. I expect them to be very focused. As for the Suns, like any game on this trip, it's an opportunity to turn their rapidly sinking fortunes around, to make something of a season experts and fans are predicting bleak results from, an especially opportune chance faced with not facing Rose.
I don't know if there's much irony in Opera, even Puccini. But it's funny how the attitudes of Suns fans and Bulls fans have reversed 180º from 4 or 5 or 6 years ago regarding the regular season. Now it's Bulls fans waiting it out (patiently, or otherwise) for a playoff rematch payoff with their nemesis, their mountain to climb, while Suns fans nail-bite in hope of an 8th seed. But this is basically the same Suns team that recovered (somewhat well) from a poor start last year (thanks to the JRich for Gortat trade) to finish just under .500 and... just out of the playoffs - except for lost deadweight like Vince Carter, and added rookie Markieff - so...
Don't take them lightly, just take them out.
P.S.: Although I won't, you should check out Bright Side of the Sun.
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interesting
just got the mybulls email, rip is listed as the probable starter.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i failed to anticipate that... RIP, grrrrr
good for bulls. bad for marionette.
sign grant hill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who knows, though
since everyone else was saying it was going to be friday. but he also tweeted today for the first time in over a week.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
groin injuries are hard to predict
lets hope rip is healthy and ready to “rip” the suns.
yeah, it does seem random though
i mean after all if he was off tonight there’s another 2 days off and he gets a practice in before coming back. i don’t necessarily see the logic to him coming back unless he really does feel good, cause it will obviously help if derrick’s out of the lineup.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
there's the theory CJ rushed back because rose sat, it's possible he doesn't want to sit and watch another blowout
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
by paddyfairview on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
CJ was going to come back on monday regardless
this was when rose was healthy.
cj hit his target
he had been talking about monday being the game since before rose got hurt, i think.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
read yfbb's post, he says thibs originally wanted watson to have a practice
that’s all i meant
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
by paddyfairview on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but he did get a 3 on 3 in, or something
also, then the “he” there is ambiguous in your post if you were really talking about thibs. cj wanted to come back monday.
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
wasn't it the second shot cj took
fouled on the wrapped arm and fell in the lane on it too(!)???
i guess he was ready, though i held my breath a bit
sign grant hill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chucking teams like the Suns and Magic don't scare me.
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
thanks to our boi Lucas!
yesssssssirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ha I wish just him
Seems like Rose, CJ, and Deng are the only ones that wanna take it to the hole lately
Nice preview
Looks like the Bulls are opting to rest him:
Schumouse David Schuster
Rose not even participating in the team’s shootaround…..highly unlikely to play tonite
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
You know Deng needs more rest when bloggers from other teams criticize thibs.
Without Rose, we’re looking at a team that relies on Luol Deng to do even more than he usually does (and he does EVERYTHING). Thibodeau is gonna run that poor dude into the ground.
On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.
everyone is criticizing thibs
the media, fans, etc. Poor thibs, hes just trying to get deng ready for the playoffs :)
lets hoope the bulls can disrupt nash
if nash sucks, the suns are going to lose.
I'm not trying to already start the arguments
But I’m most nervous on who’s Boozers guarding. Gortat’s been playing outta his mind and Frye can roll out 3 after 3. We can’t have that tonight.
nash is their playmaker and he makes them look funckin fantastic
Its all nash dude, all nash.
Not saying it's not
He’s our Rose. But those guys are still formidable and Gortat has a post game and Frye can hit 3s. If those happen tonight(which I dont think, or at least hope, it wont) it’s gonna be a long ass night
yeah i hear ya...there time consist of an above average front court
its going to come down to defense in the 4th esp. Look to see Gibs and Asik doing their thing in the 4th Q.
like i tried to say, this suns team is the same one that went 40-42 in a tough west
with a terrible start ’cause of turkoglu at the 4, and plus markieef morris.
they looked like this last year before they got it clicking pretty well
and i’m waiting for the nash trade and draft rebuild that will never happen
sign grant hill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im really intrigued what rip can bring to the team in the long term
Hes going to get alot of open shots their yr with rose being double teamed 80 percent of the time.
he has the reputation to move well off the ball
lets see if he lives up to it. That can make a difference breaking the zone, but time wil ltell. If not, I would like to see a Rose and Watson combination whenevr they play the zone.
i miss walkin in phx arena and reppin the black n red..so many bulls fans out there
anyways, go bulls
yeah a couple of my friends live out there
i bought my friend’s son a bulls tee :)
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Jan 17, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rose is officially out
"It was so despicable, it was beyond [the Lakers-Celtics rivalry]; it was a new kind of hatred.". -Flea on the Heat
Thibs wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if he didn't force at least one guy to play:
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
Rip Hamilton slated to start tonight #PHXvsCHI
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Cool
Time for him to step up and get out there. I mean I know it’s not a game against the Pistons and all…
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yeah, plus if the groin thing flares up again
that will be a clear sign that this will be a long term issue, and that the Bulls may have to consider other options leading up to the deadline. The 2 weeks or so that he’s been out should be more than enough time to get things right, considering it wasn’t a serious injury to begin with
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
and ray allen too
hes most likely going to leave. Ray Allen to the bulls anyone :) damn, he would be fuckin awesome with rose.
oh hell yeah, the man still got it
i lvoe his shooting form. May have be the greatest pure shooter of all time.
And you can bet with Rose out Deng plays 39 min again.
Unless some miracle happens and we blow them out.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
all we need to do is...
…weather the obligatory Warrick open jumper and put-back dunk in the first quarter and the Suns should see Jimmy Butler to start the fourth…
Grow Bulls…
Taj MaBall
channing frye scares me the most on the suns team
our bigs (BOOZER YOU SON OF A….) will never get out to him, and nash will keep finding him for inane 3s
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
yeah, that will be an issue
Also because they have two bigs that can score, so it won’t be as easy as just sticking Noah on Frye, and leaving Booze on whatever other stiff is out there. Could be a Taj-y evening
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
I know, that's what I meant
We’ll have nowhere to hide Boozer
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 17, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
you mean Markief Morris
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Booz should be pretty comfy...
… playing this team… they have run the same style for a long time and he had plenty of games watching Nash run around…
I don’t see him letting Gortat beat him at his own game…. Boozy scored well inside tonight and girl-slaps at a lot of balls in the post… pencil in the 20 and 12.
Taj MaBall
I like the glass half-full approach
I still see jumpshot jumpshot jumpshot, I’m just hopin they go in
And then the inevitable
Boozer sucks! Amnesty, Amnesty..chants. Along with the Booz and or Taj camps talking shit while both hoping either one does well to help the team win or do poorly to prove a their stupidly annoyingly point of who sucks and who should start and blah blah blah dribble dribble dribble…Along with a random sin comment that would make either some sense or damn near zero sense…BAM!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Ha, you know it!
You’ll hear from me if Boozers got Frye on em and doesn’t back his ass down for a lay up. Gortat can bang, Frye needs to be eaten alive every possesion.
I would do anything for Dujuan Blair to be our PF
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I'm watching him right now
and he’s EVERYTHING we need. Imaging him and Taj on our team
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
When I'm criticizing Boozer this is what I'm looking for
What Blair is doing tonight
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
And the fact that he does this against bigger dudes every night makes it even better
I love how they almost give LeBitch a standing ovation for finally hitting a free throw.
Thought your sig was gonna change lol
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 17, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Nice preview by the way regardless.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 17, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
you can change your sig to...
trade for ray allen!!!
i hope mine is as popular as yours would be
‘kieff had as poor a game as i’ve seen, but he’s good. trust it.
ronpaul2012dotcom - it is important
he really is.
He’s a rookie, there’ll be ups and downs, but his shot’s pure and he generally knows what he’s doing [that game notwithstanding]
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

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