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Bulls 104, Grizzlies 64: Ringing in the new year with a blowout, but Rip and Watson injured

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During halftime, Sam Smith more-or-less said the Grizzlies likely partied too hard last night, and it's an unfair advantage to have an opposing team be in the city of Chicago on New Years Eve. He looked to be right, as while both teams started off sluggishly, the Bulls soon rolled to a dominating blowout win.

The Grizzlies were without Mike Conley, and Zach Randolph suffered a scary-looking knee injury in the first half, but while they have little depth the Griz also simply didn't put up much of an effort. The Bulls meanwhile really stretched out the lead in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, behind very good games from Carlos Boozer (17 and 11 in 24 min) and Ronnie Brewer. Brewer started ahead of the injured Rip Hamilton, who was a (very) late scratch with a groin injury. Brewer seized the opportunity and continued the great start to his season, hitting another 3-pointer tonight and continuing to look far more comfortable shooting from the outside. The next step will be if defenses start to respect his shot more and see what that opens for the rest of the team, a duty Rip was brought in for originally.

The blowout was the main course of an overall celebratory night at the United Center. The 2010-11 Division Championship banner was already in the rafters, there was a nice video tribute to last season, and Benny had a spectacular entrance via ceiling harness and unveiling a 'back for more' slogan to ring in the new season.

But beyond Rip's injury, more bad news came from tonight in another Bull being potentially sidelined for a while. CJ Watson hurt his elbow diving for a loose ball, and there will likely be more precise news on it tomorrow, but from what I've heard (I was in the cheap seats so no replay...heck we didn't get scoreboard stats for the first half) it was scary-looking. Dr. Mike McGraw is speculating it's not so bad, whereas Dr. Joakim Noah is predicting a lengthy absence. While John Lucas had a fun spurt of productivity in garbage time tonight, the Bulls will likely need a real rotation-ready backup PG to spell Rose and may look to sign a free agent. High-usage hybrid SGs like Watson mentioned in the previous thread's comments included Gilbert Arenas and Nate Robinson, which would certainly be interesting.

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heh, that or Rick Brunson

McGraw gave me an LOL

Bulls are always reluctant to add a new personality to locker room, so I’d say there’s very little chance of a C.J. replacement.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 1, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

They are nothing if not predictable

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

DEAD

One day you feel like you're on top of the world when you beat the Lakers and then the next night you lose against Golden State. - Joakim Noah

by chicity773 on Jan 1, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMN TRAIN CJ

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by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Well, at least Thibs took out Deng. And Butler got a little burn.

Don’t see why Butler wasn’t in for the entire fourth quarter, but whatever.

by bleigh82 on Jan 1, 2012 10:43 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

I really like the kids energy.

I hope he doesn’t get fed up with Thibs reluctance to play rooks.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 1, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Curious, when would you play Butler?

(Besides blowout situations like tonight, I mean)

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that's what I'm talking about.

He should have been in well before the 5 minute mark. And, I’d rather have him out there when Korver isn’t hitting for sure. Even if it’s only a couple minutes a game, it’s better than having Korver missing shots and doing nothing on D.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 1, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's kind of a pointless thing to gripe about

Point being, there really is no time for rookies to play on this team. Same thing goes for all the people that wanted Marshon Brooks. Rarely do you see rookies getting any minutes on contending teams. The Norris Cole thing in Miami is kind a unique situation because they had to gut their whole team to get those guys together, and have done a pretty crappy job of filling holes through free agency. More often than not, this is how it goes. Look at Dallas, Beubois is a serious prospect, and I don’t think he’s even played in the last year (injuries area part of that, I know).

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He was playing pretty well too...

I hope he steps it up and fills in for Barea. He’s still having a tough time seeing the floor for them, though.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jan 1, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I hear what you're saying

But I would also like a team to be looking into improving a roster. Especially if it’s not a championship roster. I’ve been begging for a real backup PG for years now because you can never have enough and SG was a need as well. Honestly Butler isn’t playing because Butler was a luxury pick at SF. Having a young talent in the wings at a need position like backup PG would be nice right now.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

If Butler was a luxury pick then Deng wouldn't be playing 40+ minutes a game.

Kyle korver isn’t exactly depth. He comes in when we have the lead and are trying to maintain/stretch it.

by Gator_Nation on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Then Butler should be in the rotation then right?

SF as far as Thibs rotations go is a luxury. I don’t necessarily agree with it and I wish Butler got more burn.

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Jan 2, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I could see Thibs building the kid's confidence

by putting him in to end first halves here and there, and then ending 1st and 3rd quarters.

I don’t think Thibs is the type of guy to punish a rookie for being a rookie (he’s not Larry Brown). Not only that, but Thibs has been a guy who does not hesitate to go deep into his bench. Plus, Butler seems pretty athletic, so hopefully he’ll get more burn than other rookies on good teams.

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by bullhockey on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The problem is that Thibs wants to go 10 deep

and Butler is number 11. There’s already a problem with Brewer playing great but only managing to get 12 or 13 minutes. The rookie can wait for his opportunity, and if he doesn’t like it, too bad. Part of the reason the Bulls drafted him is that he doesn’t have the type of personality that’s going to rock the boat.

Thibs told James Johnson last year that he wasn’t going to get any playing time, and i’m sure he did the same to Jimmy.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 7:02 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

JJ was a 2nd year

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by ThorCo on Jan 2, 2012 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

On paper

;)

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by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

good point

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by ThorCo on Jan 2, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Are trying to win a championship

I’m not lamenting the loss of JJ. I don’t get it really.

"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan

by MRubio52 on Jan 2, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

James Johnson wasn't very good at offense or disciplined at defense

If he’s your only example, you don’t have a case. James was supposed to be a starter in Toronto this year, but his new coach also realized he’s not very good. and even with Linas Kleiza injured, is starting Rasual Butler. Through 4 games, he’s averaging 4 points per 36 minutes.

He’s now struggling to get 15 minutes a game in Toronto, a team that straight out told their fans that they’re not trying to win this year, the team that gave up a first round pick to get him less than a year ago, and that now thinks 3 guard lineups are preferable to playing either him or Butler. If they don’t see much potential in him any more, it’s just not there.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

lets change rooks to young players

But to Thibs defense he doesnt like anybody that doesnt put an effort out on D

by lshaffer_69 on Jan 2, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Asik was a young player and he played

Rose is a young player. We don’t have enough evidence to say that Thibs won’t play a young player, when it can be more easily explained by saying he plays his best players. Who was James Johnson better than? Who is Jimmy Butler better than?

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty hilarious that at one point in the evening "Asik and Destroy" was the number one trending topic on Twitter in the US

Also trending, “White Mamba” and “Scalabrine”. We really do love our white bench players here in Chicago

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Isn't it just...

The IstanBull?

"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan

by AerialAssault on Jan 1, 2012 11:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's SuperBull from Istanbul.

and that’s the bottomline, cause Stacey King said so.

Walk the talk, Bulls.

by JLbuLL on Jan 1, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Ahh that makes sense.

I’m in NY. Don’t get to watch every game:(

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by AerialAssault on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

mildly-sorta-semi-hot-but-not-really-sauce

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by Brigade17 on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Korver needs to play with Rose

The reason I seen in a couple of plays together is that if Derrick tries to drive near Korver his man goes to double up on Rose Korver is Wide open and gets a free shot. This gives him more opportunities for a standing jump shot instead of running jump shot.

by lshaffer_69 on Jan 2, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I was glad to see him get some minutes last night. And that makes some sense surely.

He started slow sure, but a lot of players started slow with the tiny preseason, and add to that he got a lot more minutes last year playing behind Bogans. We’re going to need him as a 3 point threat and the sooner he gets consistent the better.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with this is it is also what allows almost everyone else on the team to get their shot.

Rose can’t play 48 minutes and if he has limited time Thibs would rather it be with players who play defense. Brewer is no where near the shooter Korver is, so for him to get his shot, putting him with Rose seems to be the most effective option. I say we put brewer in the Bogans role of last year. Let Brewer start, playing less minutes then Hamilton and have Hamilton come off the bench. Brewer is a better defender then bogans was/is and has made great strides with his shot. With bogans in the starting lineup we won 62 games. Imagine Brewer starting with hamilton coming off the bench. Here’s how I see it.

Starters/bench
PG
Rose 38 minutes
CJ Watson 10 minutes

SG
Ronnie Brewer 14 minutes
Richard Hamilton 30 minutes
Kyle Korver 4 minutes

SF
Luol Deng 36 minutes
Ronnie Brewer 8 minutes
Korver 4 minutes

PF
Boozer 36 minutes
Taj Gibson 12 minutes

C
Noah 36 minutes
Asik 12 minutes

Thoughts?

by Gator_Nation on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Good name. That's definitely a guy I could see them bringing in

Although I don’t know if he has any sort of history being “disruptive”

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He got released from the HEAT during the season last year.

My theory is that he wanted to play the role floor general and he didn’t mesh well with how the James and Wade wanted to play. He shooting stats aren’t bad for his time with the HEAT so I don’t know whats up with him or why he’d be released.

by JockstrapNoah on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've always kind of liked him

Felt like he always hit shots against us. At one point last year, I think there was actually a report that he signed with us (from a Puerto Rican newspaper or something)

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Arroyo is a decent player

Hits most of his shots beyond 17 feet and is an awesome passer. Other than that he definitely didn’t fit the mold for a Heat PG, his defense was awful and can’t keep up with most PGs. I can’t really picture Arroyo being on a superb defensive Bulls team.

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This Heat Thing, IS MORE THAN HYPE

by 1-THE H3ATLES-6 on Jan 2, 2012 6:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Superb defensive team like the Bulls*

We Bout To Let These Haters Know..
This Heat Thing, IS MORE THAN HYPE

by 1-THE H3ATLES-6 on Jan 2, 2012 6:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

he sucks

He was decent a couple yra ago but he blows now..id rather keep lucas

by Belize on Jan 2, 2012 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

#shouldhavedraftedcole

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 1, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

i dunno man

the herb makes Noah kinda fun, he looks mad paranoid on the court, and he screams after layups!

by MartyMondays on Jan 1, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

#wedid

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by chicity773 on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ideally though

we should trade Korver for McGrady. We’d never do it but still that would be perfect.

by MartyMondays on Jan 1, 2012 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

I hope you're being sarcastic...

I'm hoping we'll be singing, "We are the Champions" in June, 2012.

by Revlution4ever on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Love Rubio, but I'm gonna be so sick of him during the next few months

Can’t wait to see Rose destroy him next week

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:35 PM CST reply actions  

I'm loving watching him play.

A matchup with him and Rose will be great.

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Jan 1, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's awesome, I just hate all the hype

I could see ESPN giving him the Tebow treatment once football ends, and if they continue to exceed expectations

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

check it out
APkrawczynski Jon Krawczynski
Staggering numbers from Rubio in 4th qtrs this year: 48 mins, 7-10 FG, 5-7 3s, 21 pts, 14 assts, 9 rebs, +27!!!

by JustAnotherFan on Jan 2, 2012 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Minnesota exceeding expectations?

They’re 1-3. I think Minnesota is expected to be around a .500 team.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

that doesn't sound right at all

Hollinger had them at 29-37, I think that’s actually better than most had them at least in relation to how excited they are over the Hornets having their draft pick.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Hollinger is the best gauge of average expectations

When his column got posted here, people were mostly laughing at him. I listened to the Simmons NBA over/under podcast and I think that’s where i got my numbers from.

Regardless, they’re not currently exceeding expectations even at 29-37. I thought “continuing to exceed expectations” was a weird phrase for a team that started out 0-3.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, it was just the one I could find right away

They played the Heat close, so that was something. Then again so did the Bobcats.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Looking at their scores

all the losses are close losses against good teams, so there’s that, I guess.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The Wolves are pretty good

Closing out games is where they are weak on offense. Defensively they’re doing really well though.

Their schedule has been brutal: Thunder, @Bucks, Heat, Mavs.

Kevin Love is a rebounding machine. Without him they’d be losing by 10+ a night.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

They've had a difficult schedule, and have played some very good teams tough

They’re playing better than I thought they would, anyway.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

I havent had a chance to watch any Minnesota games this year, so I knew their record but not how well they’re playing exactly. I didnt expect them to be bad. Their coach was holding them back, and with all of the talent they now have, it’s really hard to stay bad. Their bench has Barea, Rubio, Derrick Williams, and Anthony Randolph on it. That depth should also help them win games they wouldn’t win in an ordinary year.

I still expect them to win 30 games.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't watch ESPN outside of games they cover, so I can't relate as much.

but it seems like Derrick Rose gets enough publicity. We haven’t even seen Rubio’s mother yet.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, this isn't a Rose inferiority complex thing

I think I’ve finally gotten past that stage of my fandom. I just meant the overall hype. And in this case, I’m probably more referring to Twitter, than ESPN (not a huge ESPN watcher either). Seems like every other basketball related Tweet on my timeline has been someone drooling over Rubio. But whatever, minor gripe, and I do agree that he has been pretty incredible so far

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He deserves the hype though

Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!

by Dils on Jan 2, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Rubio will get more hype

because he is good and passes. All the NBA writers love watching elite passers.

Rubio is going to be very good in a couple seasons. He’s already an NBA defender which is quite rare for a first year NBA player.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Hang on, have you been watching the games?

Rubio has been getting pretty much torched and bullied on defense.

I love the guy, but let’s not get carried away here.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 2, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

that minnesota team has a bright bright future

klove and rubio is going to attract some star player to play with them.
guy who feeds you the ball in perfect positions and a guy who grab all the boards in the world.

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 2, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm still not sold on Love as a franchise cornerstone

It’ll be interesting to see what type of contract he demands when the time comes, because that could be a game changer. If Derrick Williams turns out to be a player, they’re in very good shape. If not, then they might enter the “mediocrity zone” and struggle to find more talent due to where the team is located (then the “Rubio to New York” bullshit begins). As we’ve seen in recent years, you really have to do a masterful job of drafting if you hope to achieve, and maintain, any real success in a small market in the NBA (ala OKC).

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It'll be interesting to see how that frontcourt works out.

Neither Love nor WIlliams are centers; they can start both but they’d get feasted on inside. Someone will give KLove a ton of money, but that still won’t convince me that he’s good enough to be the best guy on a team that does serious damage.

by dakoose on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

well im not either

but im saying that team has all the pieces to attract a big star in the coming years.

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to see how Love develops as they add better players around him.

I tended to agree with the notion that his double-doubles streak had a lot to do with his team not really having many other options on offense last year. I think he’s a good player, but he’ll have to find his niche in the next couple seasons.

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Jan 2, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

He's just a very unique player

and I’m curious as to whether his game will translate into wins. He had a pretty monster season last year, and they routinely got their ass kicked, and won like 12 games. I think he’s the type of guy that you can add to a very talented group, and have an awesome team. But if you’re building around him… I have my doubts about how that will work out.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree on the "unique" part.

I don’t know what his stats were for 3pt shots last year off the top of my head, but seeing him step outside the arc this year and knock some down was surprising. Though that’s what I mean about how he’ll have to find a niche. Before he could get away with just doing “whatever” because there wasn’t much competition, but as they add more pieces around him, he’s going to have to specialize more.

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Jan 2, 2012 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

He's had a 3 point shot for a while now.

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 2, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

He had

the three pointer at UCLA, and he’s one of the best outlet passers in the game. I predicted he would be an 18/10 guy when he came into the league, and got snark-talk back. How would the Bulls look with Love instead of Boozer?

by Cannoli on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as good

Boozer is a better compliment to what the Bulls need. He will rebound, but mainly he’s a go to scorer. Love has to be set up for his scoring plays except for when he’s just tipping the ball around the rim for Moses Malone points.

The Bulls needed a playoff caliber player that can score. Boozer was the guy. Love is going to a great player, but in different ways than Boozer.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

no way

Love > boozer easily. both talent and health wise

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 2, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

How is boozer a go to scorer?

He isn’t. He’s a good PnR guy.

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 2, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

i am in the opposite camp

maybe if he had one of those monster games the entire season id buy that.
but the fact taht he basically put up 20/15 games over and over you have to give some credit to

dudes a rebounding machine and that helps him get easy buckets at the rim. plus having the kind of range he does really helps

Should've traded for Melo.

by sin on Jan 2, 2012 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

The Wolves need a SG that can make shots

They’ve played for almost 4 seasons without one. That’s longer than us.

Love will get a max deal. He deserves one. If you think Love is taking boards from his teammates you aren’t watching the games.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

When did I say Love was taking boards from his teammates? Thanks for putting words in my mouth, though...

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

Not trying to say that is what you’re saying. It is what other analysts in the NBA say. The Wolves have just been a poor shooting team that played little defense so there were more rebounds to get.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree there. He's a great rebounder, and there's nothing you can say to really dispute that

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure exactly what you mean by "franchise cornerstone"

If I were building a team for the next x years, I’d be very tempted to take him as the top pf in the league. Nowitski is at the end of his reign, his rebounding numbers in a relentless downturn. It’s not Amare or Bosh or Aldridge.

Really, it’d be between Love and Griffin. Clearly, Griffin would be the flashier pick, but Love has been piling up historic, Karl Malone-like numbers…and now with a legit 3 point shot he gives you things no one else at the position outside Nowitski comes close to. He also seems to have the right tough-guy mindset that’s required for long-term success at a very physically demanding position.

So…maybe as a franchise cornerstone you might want someone like Rose or Wade, players who due to the position they play would have the ball in their hands a greater percentage of the time, but for his position, I’d gladly take Kevin Love.

by Reaver on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

By "franchise cornerstone"

I mean, a guy that you’re basically saying “We can win a title with him as our best player”. Someone that you’ll gladly hand a max contract to.

I like Love, but he’s not a very good defender, and he doesn’t give you any sort of advantage athletically, which is something you usually want in a franchise player

My feelings are, if they build around Love and Rubio, they’re gonna get smoked every year by other young teams like the Thunder and Clippers. Which is why I question Love’s value. But that’s just my personal feelings on the guy

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying.

If all the players were thrown in a pool and you had the first pick you wouldn’t choose Love—maybe not even with the first four or five or six picks. But I think once you get past the obvious, say, Rose, Durant, Wade, James—a player like Love would be a great guy to build a team around. And as we’ve seen, even Wade and James together don’t guarantee a title.

by Reaver on Jan 2, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

There’s just not very many franchise players in the league. It makes it very tough on team’s that don’t have one, or have a guy, like Love, that is kinda borderline in that regard.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Love is a very smart player that has improved every season in the NBA

Each year he is getting better at all of the things he does well. This is with Kurt Rambis for two years too.

I wonder what his game would be like if he wasn’t forced to play behind Al Jefferson for two years.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

partied TOO hard!

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 1, 2012 11:48 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No such thing

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

OT - Anyone know what happened to The Basketball Jones podcast?

I’m subscribed on iTunes, but there hasn’t been a new one since before the season started.

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

Sweet, thanks

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 1, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

they are gonna be doing it live

10 am est on the score.com. should be fun

Bulls when Keith Bogans, err, Rip Hamilton scores 6 or more points:

3-1

by anorexorcist on Jan 2, 2012 9:00 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/1/2675471/zach-randolph-injury-video-grizzlies-news

the zbo injury.

that looks bad :(

Too slow, too jerky, too quirky, too Deng!

by rainman1003 on Jan 1, 2012 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

been reading now it's only a bruise

nothing too serious, luckiliy

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 1, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

*luckily

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 1, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad... I was thinking of the wrong word

Thanks for the correction.

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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

ah, was just being as ass.

internet correction is a full time job. who needs that.

by obnoxious american on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Does anybody here think it would be a good idea to give Charlotte their pick

back in exchange for Gerald Henderson?

A) I don’t know if they would do it
B) Its possible that we can get a better player in the draft if we keep the pick
C) We could use it in a trade

But I’ve seen the Bobcats a few times now with League Pass and he looks like a fantastic player, better than any of the options any of us were discussing in the pre-season. He’s young, super athletic and could stick around for a looooong time.

by dakoose on Jan 2, 2012 12:19 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

I would do it, but I don't think Charlotte would.

He has been real nice. I say we sign Earl Watson. I think he’s still available and seems like he passes the Chem-3000 test.

by Unrealcity on Jan 2, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

or as mentioned above

carlos arroyo. hes a good passer.

by Geo4MVP on Jan 2, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, he'd pass in flying colors. Actually, I think he might break the machine

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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Earl plays for Utah.

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by chicity773 on Jan 2, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’d do it, I think.

Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

by Prevenge on Jan 2, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would the Bulls trade for a SG?

If Henderson is so good, why would the Bobcats giving him away?

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

What kind of question is that?

By that logic, no trade is ever a good one or else why would the other team give that guy away? The reason Charlotte would consider that trade is because they know that they stink and it’s in their best interest to have a lottery pick that can potentially be very high instead of having a solid shooting guard on a team that isn’t going anywhere. Teams stuck at the bottom of the league try and accumulate assets that help them get the superstar needed to rise to the top.

by dakoose on Jan 2, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

What's Henderson's value? Is he as good as as the 8th pick in the draft?

In the last five drafts, those were guys like Brandon Knight, Aminu, Jordan Hill, Joe Alexander, and Brandan Knight.

For the next 4 years, the Charlotte pick is protected through at least the top 7, with it being even further back every year before the 2015 draft. Why would they prefer a pick outside the top 12 or top 10, over just keeping Gerald Henderson on their roster? Are they really going to make a trade that says that they expect to be one of the worst 7 teams in the nba through the next 5 years, and therefore expect their 2016 pick to be extremely valuable? There’s only one way they stay that bad for that long, and it’s by giving away players like Henderson. I’m sure the few fans they have will be onboard on a “suck for 5 years then draft a superstar in year 6 plan.”

Any you completely ignored the question of why the Bulls need another shooting guard, when Brewer couldn’t even get 15 minutes in games he was playing well in.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

henderson is a really really solid player

Who wouldn’t break our budget, I would love him to get big minutes as a 6th man or even a starter after rip is done here.

Anyone know when he’s a free agent??

by MartyMondays on Jan 2, 2012 9:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bobcats would shoot that down in a second

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

im itching for updates on Hamilton or Watson

gah.

anyway, i was at the game tonight. it was excellent. the place was unusually quiet at first, but other than that it was great.

by kpd on Jan 2, 2012 1:01 AM CST reply actions  

they showed a slow motion clip of CJ's elbow

it looked eerily similar to Rondo’s in the playoffs last year

"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

by Brigade17 on Jan 2, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I just noticed the "We are the 1.7%"

I wish I could rec it.

WWCD? CDGAF.

by JStymie on Jan 2, 2012 1:14 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

to be a backup until CJ gets back, what about Acie Law?

he’s been here before, so the new personality thing shouldn’t be that bad. and he was decent when we had him before. he also didnt complain about the fact that he only played when Rose was hurt, so he likely wouldn’t make much of a fuss when his playing time disappears when Watson comes back.

by kpd on Jan 2, 2012 2:03 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Watched the NBA video rhighlights, Looked like CJ's elbow snapped

http://www.nba.com/video/games/bulls/2012/01/01/0021100062_mem_chi_recap.nba/index.html

skip to 1:56

And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore

by windycitywarrior on Jan 2, 2012 3:09 AM CST reply actions  

Ooooh

Just like Rondo

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 2, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah very similar

rondo’s looked worse, imo – but maybe that’s just because of his freaky long arms.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

-1 BAB readerhship for taking 6 hours to post this

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If we have to replace CJ...

shouldn’t the replacement be a scorer. Seeing as though CJ does most of the scoring for the Bench Mob. Guys like Earl Watson and Carlos Arroyo would work if we just needed a backup PG, but they won’t provide any scoring help.

Out of the guys out there who aren’t stuck in China (Aaron Brooks), I would go with Earl Boykins or Arenas.

by Ceasaleo on Jan 2, 2012 5:52 AM CST reply actions  

Only 64 points allowed...

Wow Bulls defense is ridiculous. I know the Grizz were without Zach and Mike but 64 points! The Heat had 65 at half time last night. Can’t wait to play you guys on the 29th.

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by 1-THE H3ATLES-6 on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Idk what's most rare

A real clippers fan or a real heat fan…

"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

by T.Moore on Jan 2, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

given the username

looks like a bandwagoner to me!

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 2, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

free agent list

arenas
nate robinson
House
Dowdell
wilks
Antonio Daniels
Mike James
Banks

by trig on Jan 2, 2012 8:48 AM CST reply actions  

pretty crazy that nobody has signed arenas at all....

i mean he is far from what he was…but shoudl def be able to play bettter than a lot that are currently in the league…

by IIQuickSilverII on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Wilks knows the Org!

he was here for a cup of coffee. So that’s my pick. The Bulls simply do not want to have to give out the bathroom door codes to too many people.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Earl Boykins!

He’s really short. That has to count for something!

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by THEKILLERWHALE on Jan 2, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

let's bring back Anthony roberson

he was always so happy on the bench. plus guy can game a lil bit. I think.

Bulls when Keith Bogans, err, Rip Hamilton scores 6 or more points:

3-1

by anorexorcist on Jan 2, 2012 9:04 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

the bulls team that played tonight

Is the bulls team that can beat the heat in 6 games. Too much balance, too much depth, too much defense.

by MartyMondays on Jan 2, 2012 9:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Acie Law still doesn't have a job in the NBA.

One year contract in Serbia. Bring him back!

Lebbeus clarehanna!

by Osaka on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Somebody Give Boozers Parents Season Tickets

He plays amazing in front of Mama Boozington!

Freaky Like My Lady Pyramid!!!

by Mike Claudio Ramirez on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Couple things about last nights game (and the season)

1) Ronnie Brewer was super duper awesome, but I saw some things about his game that upset me. There were at least two times where he passed up a relatively easy shot opportunity to make a pass. One of those passes was stolen and the other one was simply a worthless pass. As great as he was, I would like to see him in attack mode more. He needs to be an offensive threat, especially when we don’t have Rip available.

2) Anyone (myself included) that ever believed (even a little) that Asik could even come close to replacing Noah is delusional. From what I have seen this year, Asik is just as good and maybe better than Noah on defense. However, Asik is still beyond awful on the offensive side. Asik does not pass well, can’t do much in the post, is a decent but not great rebounder, and has just awful hands. He is a great backup, but I think the Bulls would be in big trouble if he were the Bulls starting center. That said, still young and improving.

3) Rose is attacking more and has become a better passer. His ball handling is a bit weak right now (weak for him anyway), but I think that will get better in a few games once he reaclimates to NBA ball. That said, I don’t think I’ve seen another player get hit more while making a move to the basket than Rose. Ever. Rose doesn’t get fouled on the shot nearly as much as he gets fouled on one of his last two steps before taking the shot. It pisses me off because guys like CP3 who have in the past been known as solid defenders are just fouling Rose and getting away with it. Rose has made plenty of bad decisions this year, but many of his turnovers have been because he gets by a defender who grabs his arm. It’s crap.

4) Boozer’s defense is much improved. He is still bad at it, but he is getting to the right spot with hands up more often. This will help the Bulls tremendously, especially if he continues to be a beast.

5) The greatest thing about last night’s game was the awesome play of Rose/Boozer in the pick and roll. They were working well together and both were making excellent decisions. I hope they continue to improve.

"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight

by DRose01 on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

ya asik offense is so lame

I love his dunks but that’s kinda it…dunks

by Belize on Jan 2, 2012 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The passes to him are pretty crap

He’s catching a lot of them below the waist. He’s already slower just getting up a shot with a pass in his chest. Defenders have that extra second to defend him when he has to dribble or gather because of a low pass.

He can’t replace 36 Noah minutes. I don’t think he could stay out of foul trouble.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ya asik offense is so lame

I love his dunks but that’s kinda it…dunks

by Belize on Jan 2, 2012 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Asik and all but....

It kills that he still always brings the ball down. That’s big man rule #1…keep the ball up. Dude has pretty bad hands….I don’t see his offense ever really getting that much better. As great as he is defensively, I don’t see why many people here have him as an untouchable.

by C Smoove on Jan 2, 2012 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

Because stellar defense from a big man is incredibly valuable

He can be an absolute zero on offense, and still have tremendous value

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

true, it goes both ways though

like amare & nene..but if he gets his d better he’s be just as if not more valuable..i bet he’s a beast in volleyball

by Belize on Jan 2, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

He’s pretty much the ideal backup big man, especially behind a guy like Noah. You give Asik away, and you’ll just spend a lot of years looking for somebody affordable who can do what he does.

Asik isn’t untouchable in a Dwight Howard type deal. He is when trading for a mediocre SG, which is much easier to find than a rebounding/defensive big man.

by runningman on Jan 2, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

I think even the biggest Asik supporter isn’t saying he’s completely untouchable. it’s just important that you get good value in return. A guy like Courtney Lee is NOT good value

Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 2, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree. I wouldn’t give up Asik for someone like Lee. I absolutely know his value, he is the best post defender we have. I appreciate that, it just seemed some people were starting to maybe slightly overvalue him

by C Smoove on Jan 2, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Asik is not ready to replace Noah

But I want him to play a few minutes more. I want to keep Noah fresh and healthy for the playoffs. Especially this season where we have b2b2b and things like 9 games in 12 days. stupid stern

by trig on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

ot

you what’s a trip?
wiki pages..im reading michael redd’s page and i just remember how good he was..then you look to the right box and see just two career highlights. such a shame

by Belize on Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM CST reply actions  

i was a little disappointed

Thibs didn’t give more time to butler. There is no reason not to incorporate him in the rotation when hamilton is out. Especially when you are up 45 with 6 ninutes left in the third

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 2, 2012 8:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I was disappointed

he didn’t rest Rose and Deng earlier

by trig on Jan 2, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

he's a rookie man

Its natural unless we are a under. 300 team

by Belize on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

still, he could have been in the whole 4th

ronnie was out there way too long.

Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.

by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

by Jaina on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

True…but thibs looks like a “discipline” coach…so even though he’s good and hasn’t been doing anything wrong..he’s gonna get no burn until we either blow out Every team for the next month or two or till we get past mid season…atleast that’s what I think personally

by Belize on Jan 3, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

watching Swirsky talking to Lucas III

god damn he’s small. Looks like he was talking to a baby lol

by trig on Jan 3, 2012 4:56 AM CST reply actions  

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