NBA Player Skill Rankings -- Pick and Roll Ball Handlers
"When creating his own offense, Derrick Rose is probably at the top or second (behind Dwyane Wade) among all pick and roll players, however you saw in the playoffs, once he starts getting trapped, he can’t create for his teammates. That lack of ability (which I think he will develop in the next two years) has him off of this list right now."
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Tim S.
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I agree with Derrick not being one of the top-5 pick and roll players in the NBA
That being said, its kinda hard to create offense out of a trap when the other guard on your team is standing at the 3 point line picking his nose.
by darksmokepuncher on Aug 3, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
It's very hard to be effective out of the PnR when the screener can't hit a jump shot.
CP3 has David West, Nash has/had Amare and Frye, Parker has Duncan and McDysse, Wade’s got Bosh and to a lesser extent, Haslem. Rose has trouble out of the PnR because the defense doesn’t need to worry about Jo, Omer, Taj or Booz popping out for a jumper.
Deron Williams should be no. 3 on the list behind Nash and CP3
I’ll buy the unorthodox inclusion of Hedo on this list, but Parker and Wade aren’t particularly great at creating for others in the PnR. Neither one is as good as DWill, and it’s very arguable that they’re better than Rose
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 3, 2011 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, Deron Williams is one of the best EVER at those pocket passes
bounce passes in traffic hitting the big man in stride. And I don’t buy Hedo.
by JockstrapNoah on Aug 4, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he plays with Dwight Howard and can throw the ball at the rim
At least, that’s what I learned from the included video. At least one of those passes wasn’t a pass
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
I think the article sums it up pretty well
The one number that shows you how well Turkoglu does in the pick and roll is Points Per Possession Including Passes. Essentially what this number does is take all pick and roll possessions where the ball handler looks for their own offense and adds the possessions where the ball handler makes a pass, and calculate the points per possession of all those possessions. When doing that, guess who comes out on top (out of all players with at least 70 PNR ball handler possessions)? It’s Hedo Turkoglu, who posted a PPP of 1.0950.
Turkoglu’s height is what allows him to be so successful in pick and roll situations. He is so tall that he can come off of screens and easily rise up and shoot over defenders if given the space (44.1% shooter when coming off of ball screens). In addition, when hitting the roll man, Turkoglu is also one of the best players in the NBA. When working with Dwight Howard, someone who he works very well with, Turkoglu just knows how to get him the basketball and put him in position to score. The rol man (mostly Dwight Howard) when catching a pass from Turkoglu posts a PPP of 1.538, the highest in the NBA:
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 4, 2011 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Basically, because of his height and shooting ability, you simply can't go under the screen with Hedo.
You have to go over the top, and even though Hedo doesn’t have the athleticism to get all the way to the rim, he is a good enough ballhandler and passer to make things happen once he gets that initial step on his defender.
Pat Riley is the devil.
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