Would you trade Derrick Rose for Chris Paul if Paul was willing to sign an extension with the Bulls?

because stat lover like you are slaves to PER and the like. Rose is younger than Paul, more successful than Paul, bigger than Paul, stronger than Paul, quicker than Paul and better than Paul. Paul is a fantastic player, but Rose is a transcendent player at his position and is only getting better. Paul said it best what he was asked if he saw any of himself in Rose when they faced of during the rookie season: he essentially said “Rose is bigger, faster and more gifted than I am, so you should be asking if I see any of Rose in me.”

You wanna win 53 games and lose in the 2nd round forever?

Chris paul is a whining little bitch with bad knees that is ready to turn his back on new orleans and go make a super team with his homeboy Carmelo. Derrick Rose loves this city (he has a tatoo of the damn skyline on his hand for crying out loud) He’s a hero and an inspiration to an entire new generation of Chicago basketball fans. Did I mention he’s the reigning MVP. THE YOUNGEST EVER! Never had a major injury & is working on a post game as we type! You sir did not get the memo!

FIrst and foremost Tim, I am not one of those delusional Bulls fans who thinks Rose is God or something akin. That being said, you’re a complete idiot. Just last season Rose was undoubtebly a better PG, shown by his MVP award, and he’s 5 or 6 years younger than Chris Paul. Chris Paul put together some of the greatest seasons ever, and his ceiling may have been the greatest PG ever along with Magic. Key phrase being may have been. With Paul’s age, and more specifically his injury history, it’s unlikely he will ever be what he once was. There is a very real possibility that he will end up like Brandon Roy soon considering that they both seem to have the same knees. Paul’s career is on a steep downward slope, and even during some of his great playoff games, he walks around gingerly. I sincerely hope that I don’t have to go into the pros with Derrick Rose and explain that he is scratching the surface of his potential, and will be deadly with a jumpshot. Paul would have been the choice if he kept of his level of play from a few years ago, however those days are long gone, and to take him now would be an awful idea.

YOUNGEST MVP EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but at 22 years old, Rose has way too much potential to trade away. And while CP3 is still the better facilitator right now, that gap between he and Rose in that regard may be closing more quickly than we know. Rose seems to fixate on ways to improve. Last offseason it was his 3 point game, drawing fouls and free throws. But something he’s learned this post season is that his team isn’t going to win if he’s jacking up 27-30 shots per game. So if he’s going into this post season wondering how he can make his teammates better, my money’s on Rose that he’ll figure it out.

Rose becomes a better facilitator than CP3 in 2011-2012.

But can he throw down an epic slam on dragic with no regard for human life, then feed him skittles? In a word no. Poohdini bitches!

This trade is the equivalent of the lebron better than mj quote. Except the objective is to promote some D- Rose love on the blog. Its summer now, the draft is over. No summer league & a lock out pending. He just wanted to stir up some passion with this asinine post. Well played my man, well played!

Except in Paul’s case, it’s the mainstream media and fans who tend to underrate him and the more statistically-inclined who tend to overrate him.

I think that, rather than relying exclusively on individual statistics like PER and Win Shares, you also should consider team performance and use common sense when evaluating any player’s performance. Based on PER and Win Shares, many believe that Chris Paul has already had a better peak than any point guard since Magic, and to some observers his peak compares favorably with any point guard in league history. I consider this viewpoint a sign of over-reliance on individual statistics and to a certain extent a misapplication of the stats.

By PER and WS/48, Paul’s 6-year career is distinctly superior to the past 6 years of Steve Nash’s career. CP3 leads PER by 3.5 (25.2 to 21.7) and WS/48 by .051 (.233 to .182). Yet, I’d prefer Nash to Paul over that time period. CP3 fares better in the individual statistics primarily due to an extremely high steal% and a very low TO%. This is part of his value, but Nash’s low steal% and high TO% aren’t nearly as detrimental to his team as the individual stats would indicate. He’s able to conserve energy for offense by being less active on defense, and his higher turnovers are a natural by-product of making riskier passes that lead to better shots for his teammates. The team-based statistics actually favor Nash.

Chris Paul’s best on-court point differential is +7.7 (his 28 PER season), followed by +5.6 (30 PER), +4.0 (this season), +0.3, -0.9, and -3.1. Over this time period, Nash’s on-court point differentials are +10.8, +9.5, +8.1, +6.8, +5.5, and +4.7 (this doesn’t include his +12.4 in 2004-05 when he won his first MVP). On average, Chris Paul is +2.3 and Steve Nash is +7.6 over the past 6 years. For comparison, Rose’s on-court point differential this season was +7.9, higher than any in Chris Paul’s career. For Paul to be anywhere near as superior as the individual stats would indicate, you’d have to argue that his on-court teammates have been vastly inferior. Comparing Rose’s top lineup this year to Paul and Nash at their peaks, I see very little difference. These teammate descriptions apply fairly consistently across the lineups (5-yr RAPM in parentheses, followed by 1-yr RAPM for pg’s best season by point differential).

Rose
Bogans [low-usage shooter w/ wide open 3s + hard-nosed defense] (-1.0, 0.1)
Deng [strong overall player, whether based primarily on offense or defense] (3.6, 3.8)
Boozer [high-usage scorer with subpar defense] (2.1, 0.6)
Noah [good defender with suspect offense] (1.0, +0.7)

Paul
Mo Pete / Rasual Butler (-1.6, -1.2)
Peja (3.5, +2.9)
West (1.8, 1.9)
Chandler (2.7, +4.7)

Nash
Raja (-0.1, 1.0)
Marion (0.6, 3.5)
Amare (1.7, 0.0)
Diaw (0.4, +0.4)

By RAPM, the rest of Paul’s starting lineup is slightly better than Rose’s, and Nash has the worst teammates of the 3. Maybe the bench players and injury replacements on the floor with Paul make up the difference (his teams have had some weak benches), but I think it would be difficult to justify the belief that his on-court teammates were substantially inferior.

Another method of measuring each point guard’s impact is to look at the team’s offensive efficiency. One would expect Paul to consistently lead his team toward the top of the league, but this hasn’t been the case. His team has been top-10 in ORtg just once in his career (5th in 2007-08). In contrast, Nash’s teams were 1st or 2nd for 9 consecutive years from 2001-02 to 2009-10, including the season in which Amare played only 50 minutes due to injury and was replaced in the starting lineup by Kurt Thomas. Though the Bulls offense was considered the team’s Achilles heal last year, Rose still led them to the #11 ORtg in the league — better than 5 of CP3’s 6 seasons.

This certainly isn’t to say that Chris Paul is anything but a great player. By 5-yr RAPM, he’s 8th in the NBA at +5.9. Nash, however, is 2nd behind LeBron at +8.6 (even more impressive considering that this narrowly excludes both of his MVP seasons). Rose is just barely above average by this metric, at +1.0, which is heavily weighed down by his first 2 seasons in which he fared quite poorly.

If the question were whether I’d take Paul’s first 6 seasons or Rose’s first 6 seasons, I’d have a very difficult time deciding. If the question were whether I’d take Nash’s past decade or the first decade of Rose’s career, I’d pick Nash in a heartbeat. But going forward, I’d have to take Rose, whether I’m looking at it subjectively or objectively. He just had an extremely impressive year by both individual and team statistics, either on par with any point guard in the league or very close to the top, and he’s the youngest of the truly elite point guards by a wide margin. That made it a pretty clear-cut decision for me. Of course, CP3 certainly could defy the aging curve like Nash, dispel his injury concerns, and have the better career going forward. I just think the odds are against it.