Bulls collapse to the undeterred Heat, lose series 4-1
| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Miami | 87.0 | 95.4 | 43.9% | 37.9 | 15.0 | 17.2 |
| Chicago | 92.0 | 40.1% | 18.5 | 23.4 | 11.5 |
I had the feeling that for the Bulls to win, this one had to be a dominating performance, like in game one (remember THAT? seems like forever ago). Another close game against these guys and the same issues could crop up. It's been shown throughout the series that in a late and close game, the Heat are the ones who have the shotmakers, they're the ones who aren't rattled, both in looking composed and executing like it. The Bulls looked like the team who was too young and hadn't been that deep in the playoffs before. Which is technically true, but not something anticipated after seeing their resolve through a fantastic regular season and the first two rounds of the playoffs.
And with the Bulls chance at such a dominating performance being in their frontcourt, the lack of performance from Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer stands out. In matchups they were counted on to not only win, but do so convincingly, they combined for 10 points on 10 shots, and only 2 offensive rebounds. The offense just was crippled at times by both: there were plays where the Bulls expertly beat a Rose trap only to see Boozer unable to convert the open finish. Or when Noah would get too ambitious late in the clock and force one of his running pseudo-hooks. And while winning the offensive rebound margin, it was by not nearly enough.
And in the biggest indictment of their performance is that they didn't even play the last 14 minutes of the game, with Thibodeau going instead with Taj Gibson and Kurt Thomas. Thomas was the feel-good story of the night, for someone who hadn't played in over 20 days to come in and have an impact was delightfully unexpected. It was only two field goals in 18 minutes, but he did have 4 offensive rebounds (8 total) in that time and helped the Bulls come up with several big extra possessions in the 4th.
But you have to question Thibodeau's decision to 'ride the hot hand' in this case. Thomas was (not unexpectedly) tiring at the end. And as much as everyone loves Taj, his combined output in the last 2 games (over 33 minutes) was zero points. And there's also the underlying issue of sitting one of your best players and team leaders in the deciding game of the season, and you have to feel awful imagining what Noah was going through being forced to watch his team collapse.
With Thibs going with an ultra-defensive (Rose/Brewer/Deng/Taj/Thomas) lineup and already starting to hold the ball with over 5 minutes to play, the message was clear that they were hoping to simply try and prevent the Heat from scoring and hang on to that lead for dear life. Instead, behind some remarkable shots from James and Wade, the Heat went on an 18-3 run in 3 minutes and in that process took the lead for good.
Derrick Rose, even moreso than in the series in general, was the only true scoring threat. He hit a huge shot with under 2 minutes left. But after that, his miserable series ended on the most sour note possible. A foul on a 3-point making Wade, a turnover, then on the next offensive try drawing the foul but missing the 2nd free throw. The final possession where he forced a 3 (always an issue with this team when they're down 3, having so few shooters and all) wasn't even finished before the collapse seemed already complete, a shellshocked feeling that went from the court to everyone observing it.
That collapse does start with Rose, as he's their best player and the ball is always in his hands. But Thibodeau did him no favors with saddling him with that lineup and running out of timeouts to do offense/defense switches, or simply being able to advance the ball and run a play on that final possession. Though to that last point, we likely wouldn't have seen a 'play' anyway, and instead just Rose in isolation. It's something that can work, and has worked plenty of times all season, but also something that the Heat have two guys who are better at.
The Bulls defense more than matched what the Heat could do, but Miami's late-game shotmakers have favorable size, range, and experience to convert those opportunities even against an extremely tough defense. Rose can certainly improve on the latter two things, and at 22 and with his innate drive, we should expect him to. But more importantly, and beyond the difference between each team's stars, what this series told us is that the Bulls have to improve their overall offense next season. One can point to a possession here and there where the Bulls make this more competitive, but in taking a step back it's clear that after game one the Bulls offense went completely anemic. It's what needs to be addressed most: both internally by coach Thibs, and from the Org. in tweaking this roster in the coming offseason.
Yup, the offseason's here.
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Well, it was one helluva a season. I think we all enjoyed the ride and all the time spent on BaB.
Should be an interesting offseason to say the least. Let’s hope there is a 2011-12 season and the Bulls can make another run at it.
And because I don’t believe I’ve ever said this on here before: Fuck Rondo.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
Rose's missed FTs at the end of the last 2 games hurts. And Deng's foul trouble.
Ah well, again, thanks for the season BaB. It’s been a great ride, from BlogaBron to Fuck Rondo to this end of the season thread. Two thumbs up for Bulls fans!
Walk the talk, Bulls.
when he went to the line I kept picturing him in the NCAA championship
I kept thinking please don’t give me a flashback
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
And who was on the other side for Kansas?
Mario Chalmers, now a member of the Miami Heat.
Sums it up
treykerby Taco Trey Kerby
Congratulations to all those lifelong Heat fans out there. (Read: 1-year-old babies.)
Derrick Rose will be suspended by the NBA because he has broken too many ankles.
After the game Thibs said he didn't want to comment about the refs
That’s what I wanted from them. But when Rose said there was some tough fouls called, “If that’s what you want to call them” I smiled and knew it had to be said.
This is a tough lost because not only did we break down on offense but on defense we could have played them tighter. And what makes this even harder, which it won’t hit until later, is the fact that November will come around and there will be no basketball.
I know the guys on this team will be practicing to get better but as a fan we won’t feel better until we see them play again and we go through another season. But we won’t be able to see that for some time. At least we have the blog. Let the wild fanpost begin of wild trades and free agent pickups….
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I thought the Bulls played incredible defense yesterday IMO.
LeBron had to hit tough jump shots all damn night. The Heat were limited in transition…which is actually something the Bulls did very well in limiting them almost the whole series.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
They did but there was some plays that could have been played better IMO
When Lebron hit that last three he hit, I believe Brewer, gave him too much space. If you look at it Brewer angles his body and puts his hand up to Lebrons face. If he would have been in front of him squared to the basket Lebron would have altered his shot making it more difficult to make.
Another play that also involved Brewer was when he knocked the ball out of Lebrons hands and he was on his knees holding the ball. If they would have just surrounded him the shot clock would have gone down and there is no way they would have gotten a shot. Even if they called a time out there would have been less time to get one off.
They played good D but in the playoffs it’s the little things that make you lose because your playing a team with just as good of a defense.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
The defense was incredible
The Heat had 65 points with about five minutes left in the game. Miami’s offense was dead throughout the game, including the end. But their individual players were good enough to just make very, very difficult shots and, with the Bulls offense even more dead, attack after turnovers.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
mark my words, bulls will try to make a big splash this offseason
i dont think they can but paxson seems quite pissed about the boozer signing, lol.
I don't think there's any way the Bulls make a splash if it involves taking onmore money.
Reinsdorf is a big picture guy, and he has to be able to legitimately cry poor in negotiations of the new CBA.
I actually believe this, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
:(............................
but at least everyone is being kind to me and not giving me too much a hard time as they can see I’m destroyed right now. but watching last night on delay, I went from jumping for joy at home alone when Rose hit that spinning floater over Lebron to sinking lower and lower into my couch. just gutwrenching.
i saw Kirk getting gassed and couldn’t believe Thibs just watched it happen. I was shocked at the end to see arguably our second best player walking onto the court FROM THE BENCH!!
oh well. all I can do is tip my cap, keep smiling and hope for the best for just about everyone I know. but anyone calling Rose overrated or a choker doesn’t know a thing about basketball. he’s just 22 (and in my opinion already more developed than Lebron was at that age) and might’ve just felt the pressure. it’s excusable until we see a pattern develop year after year. I highly doubt it.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2011 9:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
When did Paxson seem pissed about the Boozer signing?
Was he asked about Boozer? Is there a documented moment where he visibly acted upset when asked about Boozer?
I ask because Pax usually doesn’t give those thoughts away. So I’m wondering where this came from.
there were reports paxson was storming to the locker room
speculation is that he got pissed at boozer after the game.
and he should have... Boozer was garbage in that game..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
trust me when i say this
paxson will try to trade of booz.
If he is pissed enough
he can do anything. lol
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
he could have been mad about anything
Maybe one of his kids didn’t throw out the trash or his wife kept calling him asking “why don’t you pick up my calls?”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It doesn't say much but that Pax was angry/upset
Where do they get it’s because of Boozer? It’s a lot of nothing.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I was kinda referring to JoNo...
but Boozer was a total disappointment this game and I don’t blame Thibs for benching that clown after a flagrant in a second game in a row. it seemed to ignite the Heat. but I did mention in the postmortem thread that I could see what Boozer was trying to do on that play trying to anticipate Lebron bringing the ball up, but a foul is a foul, accidental or otherwise.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed about Joakim...
It was a rookie coach’s mistake to leave him on the bench.
I thought the Boozer flagrant was a bad call, that was a good playoff foul, he was going for the ball. The other BS call in the game was the Taj technical…
7 for 7.
by Dionysus2.0 on May 27, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Against the heat
There are no such thing as playoff fouls
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Fuck, I don't know how I'm gonna sleep, I'm still pissed
Why can’t D-Rose get past that Chalmers guy? Seems like he’s Derrick’s kryptonite.
by Slava Medvedenko on May 27, 2011 9:26 AM CDT reply actions
Cause there is a fucking wall behind chalmers
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
by T.Moore on May 27, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say that he outplayed Rose in the NCAA championship.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 27, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but still Chalmers' team won
Arrrgh I forgot he missed a critical Ft at the end too :|
by Slava Medvedenko on May 27, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm kinda glad my internet and Cable were shut off two days ago
I might have had a breakdown watching that game…
Oh well, it was a great season that far surpased everyone’s expectations, and look at it this way, we have
1. The Youngest MVP, a kid with a will and a drive to improve
2. A coach who won Coach of the Year
3. A solid core of role and bench players
4. Enough small contracts that if the salary cap doesn’t get screwed with too much next season we could potentially trade for a SG from a team in need of salary cap relief
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
by ThorCo on May 27, 2011 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I want the league to give a 100k $ fine on Drose for his comment
so more people will see how stupid the officiating was.
the 2 fouls Dwade got on Drose is just bad
the boozer foul where he was 2 steps away from anthony is just comedy. Reminds me of the Camby foul few yrs ago where he was 5 feet away lol
The fouls were not the problem..
Unless you were talking about that 4pt play…It was a will to win..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Chicago definitely choked
but they should not be in that position in the 1st place.
This team has flaws that they have to fix. But bad calls left and right makes it much worse that it actually is
I thought that was good D by Rose when they called the foul
He did what you are taught and that’s to slide up to the body and put your hand his his face. The refs called it because Wade does that kick at the end hitting Roses body. I can’t believe the Refs don’t know that Wade kicks. It’s a shame
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Touching a shooter's elbow in the act is a foul 110% of the time.
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
it wasn't that it wasn't a foul
although i swear the ball was through the net before the whistle blew. but a lot more had been going on on both sides before that. if a foul is not a foul on one end it shouldn’t be on the other.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Never give up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mMioJ5szc
Derrick Rose will be suspended by the NBA because he has broken too many ankles.
My Miami boggers are comparing Rose to Iverson
who is better????

by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Well iverson with good attitude and work ethic sounds pretty good to me
practice? we’re talking about practice?
I know Rose-lovers hate this comparison, but it's not a bad comparison.
There was a time when Iverson was unstoppable and loved for his heart and never-say-die attitude in games. He just said and did a lot of stupid shit in the last 2 years of his career, when his skills were deteriorating and it was easy to knock him while he was down. But there was a time when he was freaking awesome. So I don’t know why Rose fans freak out about this comparison.
by wilsoneads on May 27, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I dont mind the the iverson and marbury comparison
I actually see the similarities. Im fine with it as long as he gets the MJ drive and killer instinct
You can also take from it the window that his career will last
at least at a high level. Even though I think Rose takes care of his body better than Iverson. Marbury was in good shape.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I see more of a Wade/Iverson hybrid combo
because of his speed and strength.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I applaud D Rose for taking the Heat ( Pun intended) at the press conference
Its shows class…
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
nah, i wouldn't go so far as to say rose is like duncan in personality.
when i see rose, all i see is an apathetic face. i don’t hate rose, i just don’t like him, too. he doesn’t show emotions, even when he hits big shots. i can still remember when duncan shot a three pointer that time they were playing phoenix. he really was so glad it went in and even made a fist pump. i haven’t even seen rose laugh with a teammate when they made a big play.
cuz u dont watch rose?
yea…thats probably it
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on May 28, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah.
i wasn’t watching rose. i was only watching the tv when their opponents were the ones handling the ball. get real.
well according to u rose never smiles
fist pumps or laugh ever….
if uve never seen rose do those things in or during a game…then maybe u should get real (and by ‘real’ i mean admit u dont watch the games)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
He doesn't show emotion?
Yeah sounds like a guy that doesn’t watch Rose, other wise one wouldn’t make such a stupid claim
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
hmm, i don't know man.
he still looks very robot-ish to me. if he does show emotions, it’s not that showy. show me a pic of him shouting after a big shot, then maybe you can diss me all you want. much better if it’s a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V-zqQ8Zio8&feature=related
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Oh, and if you were to go off this playoff run?
You would have to go with Iverson.
Not really.. Considering he's the MVP after only 3yrs..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, hes still a raw player tbh
rose has a jumper from a scale 1-10 at 6.5. defense at 7, and isolation/PnR at 7.5. He can imrpove
and thats the scary part for us Heat fans.
He can improve..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
if the comparison means a hall of fame career
i’m fine with that. fine, he’s Iverson with a few
more inches of height, stronger, faster, and a better temperament. I feel Rose can eventually lead this team to a ring. so if the comparison is Iverson-esque plus a ring or two, I’ll take it. but I have a hunch Rose will steadily develop his efficiency.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2011 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There's nothing but upside for D-Rose..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
oooooohhhh C-A-N-E-S CANES CANES CANES
for you, pal. as much as it hurts right now, I find some solace knowing this whole city is feeling good right now.
where you stay at, bro? Gables right here.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2011 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Born & raised in MIA..
but currently in the Atlanta.. So I know all too well about the POWER of D Rose’s game..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been there.
Atlanta is a great town. felt a real good vibe there when I visited.
well, at least we have one rooting interest in come, buddy.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 27, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
After watching the Thunder and Bulls choke away their last two games . . .
. . . I think we’re seeing the first chapter of two great, young teams who need to learn how to lose in the playoffs before they can fight through a tough series. Experience under pressure matters.
With an extra offensive threat, the Bulls will be undoubtedly be a top 4 team for the next 3-4 years. Can’t wait for the next chapter . . .
by kameradsm on May 27, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Haven't Rose, Brewer, Korver, Deng, Boozer, Noah, and Gibson all already lost at least once in the playoffs?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
don't be daft
you know what he means. Its a process (ha) and this is the 1st deep run Taj, Rose, Noah or even Deng have had in the playoffs; certainly the first time they had expectations to win.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still don't get why this matters
They had really tough series against Boston.They’re mature. Noah’s won NCAAChampionships. Deng’s been in the league 8 years and has swept a defending NBA Champion.
If the team was full of Dengs, (7 years in the league, a sweep of defending NBA champions, tough fought series the past two years), would we say it lacked experience?
If Rose were three years older, would “experience” matter as much? I guess I just don’t feel thelack of experience is that big of a factor as just about everything else.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Because this matters about a million times more than a 1st round series against the Celtics without Garnett.
That was a fun series and brought a lot of local attention back to the Bulls, but it ultimately meant nothing. Rose and Noah had some nice moments in the spotlight, but they weren’t very good, lost the series and didn’t improve as a team the following season.
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This did not look like a 4-1 series.
People are acting like Miami dominated the Bulls. That’s not the case at all. This series was A LOT closer than 4-1, which when you think about it, should be embarrassing for a team with 3 Top 10 players on their team.
Miami benefited from a little luck, a few nice calls, and were able to overcome that slim margin between the teams just enough to take a 3-1 lead. That 3-1 lead is what allowed James and Wade to hit those shots in the fourth last night. I bet my house they miss those if it was 2-2, which it almost was.
My biggest frustration comes from Thibs not making adjustments in the fourth. The Afternoon Saloon guys were asking the other day, “Is Thibs going to keep banging his head against the wall and sending Dereck Rose 1 on 5 at the end of the game?” And the reporter’s answer was “Yes.” “Why? It hasn’t worked for 3 games in a row.” “Well what what you do?” the reporter asked. “That’s not my job, he said. That’s his job. If something’s not working, you change it.” And that’s exactly how I felt. It’s Thibs job to fucking fix the problem, to come up with something different. And he didn’t. And I think that’s why our season ended. Cause he didn’t adjust to their 4th quarter system (Lebron on Rose). I’m kind of baffled, actually, that Thibs isn’t getting more blame here.
I don’t know if Orlando wants to part with Howard or they’re going to stubbornly let him go without getting anything in return. But if the Bulls don’t get Howard and a shooter, I say we see a repeat of this next year.
not really, the bulls need a decent shot creator
and i can guarantee you, if they had one in this series, this series would be 4-1 in the favor of the bulls.
Come on man...
Everyone benefits from a little luck and a few good calls, just great team capitalize on them.. Not 1 chi-town blogger was talking about fixing any problems after game 1…
All I heard was SWEEP the Overrated HEAT..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
after game 2, I was waiting for Thibs to start using KT on pnr instead of zero offense noah and zero defense Boozer. Noah just happily brings the defender to trap drose and cant do anything about it.
Also putting Korver and Boozer together is just asking for disaster. Attack them in pick and roll and it will be easy 2 points 80% of the time
No excuse for the Korver and Boozer combo..
by Dem Damn Canes on May 27, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
they are very liable players on defense
korver aint comin back after this season.
Korver is usefull vs other teams except Mia w/ wade and lebron
he tries on defense w/c is enough against other players but not vs lebron, wade
Boozer is just worthless if you ask him to protect the rim. If I were Thibs, I wouldve atleast tried putting Booz on Bosh and let Noah roam on defense
They defended KK well
and when he finally got open they closed out well and he never gotten a rhythm
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Well I guess the expectations were to high for KK, he was expected to be Ray Allen there.
by Slava Medvedenko on May 27, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i know, shit
we really need a good 2 guard.
A sane JR Smith would be awesome, Aaron Afflalo would be perfect
by Slava Medvedenko on May 27, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Ive know Afflalo can shoot the corner 3 and defend
but cant remember, can he drive to the basket vs avg defense?
Miami closed the deal.
Three of the games were lost in the final minutes because Miami closed the deal and the Bulls didn’t. What’s really surprising is that all year the Bulls consistently had Rose as a closer and shut down the other team. All season I felt that if the Bulls could get a lead with a few minutes to go, they would win with defense and Rose. But in the final minutes of those three losses, Miami won with team defense and James/Wade/Bosh (especially James) on offense.
lebron scouting report maybe a bit outdated
the scouting report has always been make him go left and force him to make a jumpshot. Well he did always go left, and made the fckng jumpshots.
I wonder what the result would be if we actually made him go right and see if he is still quick enough to drive. Seeing him being guarded by Asik then settling for the 3pt shot makes me wonder if he can still ISO consistently in the half court
That's a good point.
With Boozer not even in there, the rotations should have been quick enough on the drives.
But still, probably would not be enough.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
He's intelligent enough to know when to rotate
It’s not a sprint down the court, it’s moving sideways 3/4 feet at the right time.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Boozer is a black eye on the team.
He was supposed to step up when Rose was struggling and he disappeared throughout the series. Who cares if he had a 20/10 twice in the series, he blew easy layups, got blocked numerous times by Joel Anthony, and Chris Bosh made him his bitch.
Scoring only 5 points in an elimination game shows me he has no desire to help the team out when they need him the most. Him and Korver should’ve really stayed in Utah where they were always getting the 1st or 2nd round exit.
I still think he's bothered by injury.
I also think he is untradeable. I sincerely hope that in a couple of years we talk about him like Deng, who was vilified until this season.
Thibs said he wasn't hurt anymore.
Believe it or not, Boozer really is this bad, he was the exact same way in Utah, he’s just gotten worse now because the Bulls don’t have the offensive firepower the Utah Jazz did.
Carlos Boozer
I agree, there were a lot of unrealistic expectations from Bulls fans regarding Boozer’s all around game. He never will be, and never was, more than an average defender.
His slight drop off in offensive production/efficiency this season was not only due to injuries, but more because he went from playing with D-Will to playing with D-Rose. As good as Rose is in terms of raw talent, he still has a long way to go before he becomes a legit playmaker who can pick his spots for himself on offense while keeping his teammates involved by picking apart the defense to set up his teammates with better looks to ultimately bring out the best in his team. The good news is that Rose is still young and has all of the potential in the world, but Boozer is a legit 2nd option on offense, which is why D-Will was so upset when he wasn’t resigned in Utah. He felt the same way about Korver. Sure, they’re huge liabilities on the defensive end, but that’s who they are so that should have been expected when they were signed. At the same time, they can bring a lot to the table on the offensive end with the right PG, and the Bulls have enough defensive minded players to create a healthy balance the same way Utah did. Expecting Boozer to be a defensive specialist is like expecting Korver to become a lock down defender overnight, so I don’t understand why Korver is a fan favorite and Boozer is always the scapegoat in Chicago. Maybe it’s his contract more than anything.
With that said, I think the Bulls have a bright future and don’t need to make many upgrades to their roster in the offseason. If it wasn’t for a few 4th quarter meltdowns, the Bulls could have easily been the ones advancing to the Finals right now. Despite the lopsided outcome of the series, each game was competitive, and the Bulls have a title contending team for years to come without making any changes to the roster. It would be nice for your team to get a star SG who can create his own shot and hold his own defensively, but Thibs does a nice job of working with what he has, and bringing in a star player like that may create chemistry issues in your backcourt since both guards would need to have the ball in their hands a lot of the time to be effective. I think the Bulls success depends more on the maturation of Rose than anything else, and I don’t think there’s any question that he’ll continue to improve each year.
Turf toe doesn't just go away.
And everybody is hurt to some degree at the end of the season. Boozer played much worse in the playoffs than he did in December. Coaches don’t tell us everything. I’m cautiously optimistic that he can play better.
And as I also said, he’s untradeable at present, unless we want a proven bust in return.
In a couple of years he'll be 31
He is what he is and that much is terrible now
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Series Totals
Points: Heat 447 (89.4/g), Bulls 436 (87.2/g)
Free Throw Attempts: Heat 139 (27.8/g), Bulls 110 (22/g)
Fouls: Heat 100 (20/g), Bulls 118 (23.6/g)
Field Goals Made: Heat 156 (31.2/g), Bulls 162 (32.4/g)
Field Goal Attempts: Heat 344 (68.8/g), Bulls 414 (82.8/g)
I realize that I cherry-picked these stats, but it seems pretty clear to me. The Bulls made more FGs than the Heat in the series, and in 3 of the 5 individual games. But the Heat had far more FT attempts, though only had more in 3 of the 5 games.
The foul disparity was there, though not that great – only 1 per quarter in favor of the Heat which, on average, wouldn’t account for the huge FTA disparity.
However, there’s something here when you take FGAs into account. The Bulls had at least 10 more FGAs in EVERY game! The Heat’s maximum FGA in a game was 75 – the Bulls’ minimum FGA was 77. Therefore, the Heat parlayed a HUGE deficit in FGAs into a huge positive in FTAs. Why? Reputation, coaching, or ability? Or all three?
It’s all too easy to exclaim that the Bulls need a second real scorer because, well, they do. But I think more to the point is that they need a player other than Rose who can convert FGAs to FTAs like James, Wade, and Bosh. It’d be nice if the Bulls hit more of their shots. But it’d also be nice if the reason for missed shots was fouls, and getting to the FT line.
When I look at these numbers – with BOTH teams playing aggressive defense – it’s hard for me not to be jaded and think that the Heat got the benefit of more calls, or non-calls on defense, than the Bulls. Rose definitely should have been awarded more trips to the charity stripe. But the only Bulls to attempt 10 FTs in any game were Rose (1) and Boozer (1).
And whatever player(s) they acquire should not detract from what was, on the whole, world-class defense throughout the series.
by Sweetness Lives On on May 27, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
What a series guys. It really was a great one. Although we did win 4-1 it didn’t seem that way because of the fight your team put on. You guys have a great team and the experience garnered from the series will definitely help in the future. Good luck in the future.
Why shouldn't the Heat celebrate? They just made it to the ECF by winning a game show quiz.
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by The One Who Wears The Crown on May 27, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I remember that
it is worse that nobody mentioned that
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Heres game 6
http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyBerrelli#p/a/u/1/5rE102IfC98
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by J Theory on May 27, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lebron had an even more obvious double dribble/travel in another game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKLYBfgLN8A
It’s strange because it is so blatant.
A strange thing happened.
The Bulls lost and I didn’t feel as bad as I thought I would. I actually felt worse after game 4. Maybe it’s because I instantly came to the realization that this fantastic Bulls season had come to an end. There was no need to harp on what went wrong because, there’s no other game to be played. Whatever the reason, I can look back on this season and be proud of what the Bulls accomplished:
71-27 (62-20 + 9-7)
1st year Coach of the Year
Youngest MVP ever
2 Playoff series wins, first time since the MJ era.
A hard fought ECF, where the last 4 games, even tho the Bulls would lose them all, came down to the final minute(s) of the game.
Thank you to the Chicago Bulls for a wonderful season, it has been one to remember.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
by chicity773 on May 27, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i didnt feel all that bad two.Great season Bulls.We clearly need more weapons around Rose scoring wise.
But watch that vid i just put up two comments up.
Well for me those awards made it harder for me to accept the fact that the season is over.
We were 4-0 against the cHeat until Omer’s chin got busted up, it was all downhill from there :(
by Slava Medvedenko on May 27, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thibs is inexeperienced, too
And that’s the only explanation I can come up with for him leaving Kurt Thomas in the game. Uber-defensive wouldn’t have included Thomas. And it is the exact thing that cost the Bulls the game. Look at the scores at the end of the 4th for Miami. Wade drives and gets a foul on Rose because Thomas couldn’t get down the floor in time. Happened again on another Wade drive if I’m not mistaken. And on James’ last shot, a simple screen left him wide open because Thomas was hanging out down by the basket instead of ready to switch as Noah would have. It was a painfully obvious move that needed to be made, and I will never understand why Thibs didn’t make it. I can only chalk it up to the fact that he’s a rookie, and will hopefully learn from this. Obviously, I think the Bulls would have lost Game 6, but this game should not have ended that way.
Throughout the series, the thing that cost the Bulls the most were all the bad turnovers. No reason for them other than nerves or inexperience. A better performance from the line wouldn’t have hurt, either, but take out the forced passes and the Bulls win at least two of these four losses. More frustrating than sad. But all we’re left with right now is…
…GO MAVS!
This, to me, is the most important concern.
But you have to question Thibodeau’s decision to ‘ride the hot hand’ in this case.
The biggest free agent acquisition and highest paid player in the history of the franchise along with the starting center who recently signed to a long term contract extension cannot be sat on the bench for the final 14 minutes of the game. Period. The rookie coach’s inability to make the proper personnel decisions down the stretch of games, (plural, he made many mistakes) cost the Bulls nearly as much as the poor offensive execution. He will get better at coaching too.
With that said, I give the Heat credit. They won 4 straight games.
7 for 7.
by Dionysus2.0 on May 27, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't get this line of thinking at all.
Are you saying that even though our top-paid players are playing terrible, they should be on the floor because they’re our top paid players?
If anything, I would commend Thibs for not falling into that line of thinking.
They may have been playing terrible but
with the season on the line, you have to finish with your best players. Noah and boozer may have been playing awful, but Gibson couldnt get the job done last night. Get Boozer in their and maybe he could have taken one of their defenders into the post and maybe the outcome would have been better. Just a few baskets by Boozer would have kept the defense honest.
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I don't know whats not to get...
I watched the team fall apart to end the game last night and the coach did not put his best players on the floor to stop the run. He never even gave them a chance. I am saying in a three point game, that could have made a difference.
Thibs was a rookie coach, he will get better.
7 for 7.
The most important way a coach affects a team is by playing the best players at the right times.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on May 27, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*tears*
my soul's torn, my dream shattered..the only remedy: watching Conan The Barbarian for the umpteenth time
there there fellow bulls fan
the future looks bright for the bulls. For the heat, lets jus sayin wade better find the fountain of youth because the man is starting to lose couple of steps. The bulls will improve; you can bank on i rose developing a better passing game plus a more consistent jumper.
Hold your heads up high Bulls' fans
Y’all had a great season and have a great young core in your team—Deng, Noah, and Rose who is a star not to mention great role players in Asik and Gibson; every game was a dog fight in this searies after game 1 and the Bulls future is bright indeed. However you feel about the Heat, I know some of y’all are with me in hoping a steady decline with the C’s and years of mediocrity for them.
"Crawford: I can't even remember when I was three thirty two, man. You gotta, like, count backwards or something, you know, like you got 40 days in, I mean, think positive dude."
--from the movie Platoon
GET TO THE RIM HEAT! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on May 27, 2011 11:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is definitely something that both of our teams should look forward to
The conference should belong to the Heat and Bulls in the same way that the Western Conference belonged to the Spurs and the Lakers in the 2000s. In fact, that’s where I see this going. The Bulls are like the Spurs, with the less demonstrative star and the working class city, and the Heat are like the Lakers, with all the glitz and glamour. Hopefully for us, the upcoming battles with the Heat don’t end like this. Thank you for being a very respectful Heat fan. I can’t in good conscience root for your team to win a title. But I do think you have a hell of a team down there and no amount of hatred can obscure that fact.
48 minutes of intensity
Thanks
"Crawford: I can't even remember when I was three thirty two, man. You gotta, like, count backwards or something, you know, like you got 40 days in, I mean, think positive dude."
--from the movie Platoon
GET TO THE RIM HEAT! ATTACK THE PAINT!
by mjtig on May 27, 2011 1:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have little hope for the future, as I detailed again and again last night.
Bullet Points:
New CBA (possibly forcing Noah trade)
Rose likely injuries, plateau after 3 full years (maybe will get better on D)
Boozer untradeable, decline
Deng plateau, possible injuries.
Omer gone (will get paper somewhere else after the lockout year)
Taj as good as he’ll be now, messed up feet.
No flexibility, when we lose CJ and Ronnie and Korver they will be replaced with Bogans level D-League guys. This was our shot.
so we're gonna have to trade our guys
but no one else will? no other team will have injuries or lose cheap players to free agency?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
You're stupid
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on May 27, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
But you're not factoring in.
That a lot of other teams will have to make CBA adjustments as well. I mean, if we have to lose people, Miami will DEFINITELY have to lose people, and their supporting cast already sucks.
Dumbest post of the year
So, we’re going to have to trade Noah even though we’re barely at the cap? Does that mean that the Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Blazers, will be completely ripped apart? And you already have Rose getting injured? Again, does that mean Dwyane’s body will explode next year? Boozer untradeable? Are you serious? We just saw a trade this year with Gilbert Arenas. NO ONE is untradeable. Deng plateau? Maybe. But, he’s a good fucking player. I’ll take that guy as is for the next few years. Omer gone? You realize at the very least we trade him for something. We’re not letting him go for nothing. And, I don’t even know what to say about Taj. To quote Ferris Bueller’s Day Off – Pardon my french, but you’re an asshole!
The Bulls are in much better shape than most teams if the lockout produces a hard cap.
Although I am highly doubtful that it will — the NBA is much better off than the NHL was when they went to the hard cap.
Rose will get better. Boozer may get better, won’t get worse for a long time. If Deng has plateaued it’s at a high level and he certainly wasn’t fragile this year. I think we will keep everyone under any likely CBA, and should be able to add a piece or two along the way. And again, if the Bulls suffer under a new CBA, every other contender will suffer more.
I don't mean to have that "Sky is falling!" attitude, but I actually side with this point of view
more than the one that we’re “right there”, and “Just a player or two away”. Sure, Rose’s future is bright, but I don’t think we’re a team like OKC that can just not make a move for the next 5 years and probably still contend for a title. We’re missing some important things, and they are not on this roster. Plus there are the other injury and decline concerns that NoVertical pointed out
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
shut up.we have at least 2 more years.
Walk the talk, Bulls.
thibs cost us this series.
His substitution patterns have hurt us (JL3) all season. Why run deng and rose into the ground after we clinched the east. Why is rose on the floor against atl at garbage time (re-aggravates sprained ankle) Against mia, why not rest rose at beginning of 4qt game 4? After seeing rose fail without said rest ,WHY play him the whole 4qt in game 5?! Why is boozer on the floor in the 4qt…EVER! why was kurt playing in game 5 but not game 4 when our big guys were exhausted in ot. Yeah I know its his first year & he will get better yada,yada,yada…but thibs lack of adjustments and playing time management costs us dearly. I don’t give a fuck what anyone says to the contrary.
by #1humblebot on May 27, 2011 12:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Can somebody please knock some sense into JBJ
I don’t know a lot and comment even less. But I am pretty sure that I would rather have my point guard leading my team to the conference finals( win or lose and in whatever fashion) then have them lead the team to the first round(cp3) or completely out of the playoffs(john wall). I know that we were all upset last night( I have to buy a new remote), but that was just completely crosses the line. I’m calling out his fandom right now,
48 minutes of intensity
But CP3 is a better point guard.
JBJ is just throwing a bitch fit.
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
better pg, not better player.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he’s definitely a better player. And yes, I know I will get flamed and called a troll for thinking anyone is better than Rose, and Rose will hopefully become the top PG in the league in 2-4 years, but you’d take Rose over Paul on your team?
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell yes I would.
I wrote this before, but it bares repeating:
It’s easy to make statements like this after losing a tough series to a great team, so I’ll counter by saying Rose has never lost to CP3 and has accomplished more at the College and pro level than Paul has and at 22 is only going to get better. His speed, athleticism, and drive makes him a no brainer to always be better than Paul imo.
Again, wake me when Paul stops caring more about his PER and starts shooting more when his team needs scoring. So many times Chris will have like 10 shot attempts in a game where they lose by 10+ points.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Until Paul shows consitency again.
He ain’t the better player. This isn’t prime vs. prime. This is right now. And except for one good playoff game, Paul hasn’t done shit in forever.
I didn’t know people analyzed a player based on how they do in the playoffs.
So by this logic Peyton Manning isn’t as good a QB as everyone says he is because he can never win in the playoffs?
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
he's not just talking about playoffs
he had a fantastic couple of playoff games.
but other than that his scoring is down, his assists are down, his FG% and general efficiency are down from where they were (although he’s still very efficient). if he can get back to his healthy self… then hell yeah he is better than rose. but he hasn’t shown that side very much this season at all.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Also, Paul, without his second best scorer played better than Rose did in this year's playoffs.
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This whole argument is so tired
And only brought up after Bulls losses.
Paul was already in Hawaii while the Bulls were battling Atlanta.
I guess Chris’ 2 great playoff games out of four were enough to sway the easily swayed.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Paul was in Hawaii because he faced the Lakers in the first round.
I doubt the Bulls would have fared any better.
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Bulls would have beat the Lakers.
The Lakers came into the playoffs struggling, and never really looked like their dominant selves.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lakers got swept by the Mavs
they didn’t exactly look like a picture of strength. And the Lakers have been killed by a number of point guards in the last few years in the playoffs. Houston’s Brooks averaged like 23 and 9 against them 2 years ago.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You are using stats for one player 2 years ago to validate your point?
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its commonly known the Lakers get killed by point guards
Barea killed them this year, Westbrook killed them last year. I used Brooks because he isn’t that good and even he put up impressive numbers against the Lakers
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, they get killed by point guards but they win because of their front court.
Going into the series against Miami the Bulls enjoyed an advantage at point guard. How well did that work out for them?
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What are you arguing?
The whole point was that Paul series against the Lakers may be inflated due to the fact that the Lakers have a history of struggling against quick point guards. Miami doesn’t have that same history so the comparison doesn’t apply.
And just to cut you off, part of the reason the Lakers struggle agaisnt point guards is because their bigs suck at defending the pick and roll. The Heat defend the pick and roll much better and put this 6’9 guys on point guards when they start to heat up. You might have heard of him, I think his name is Leroy.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking more Fisher, but Gasol isn't very good either.
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Oh god, we would've stomped the Lakers.
They were terrible this year.
Lakers terrible his year?
How many Lakers games did you watch this year?
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the lakers wouldve been swept by us
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean like how the Bulls swept the Pacers and the Hawks?
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You realize that you're the only one referencing those 2 playoff games?
So why do you keep acting like it’s the only thing that people are building their case that Paul is better than Rose on?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
This wasn't even an argument
(for this season at least) until the playoffs. That’s why.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on May 27, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It certainly was, I recall a few threads in comment sections delving into that debate
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Better pure point guard sure
but I think Rose has the bigger upside. I’m sure that he’s taking the loss harder than all of us are combined. I think that he does have to do a better job of reading the Heat’s defenses in the fourth and he will over time. He needs to have a much more consistent jump shot and his teammates need to be prepared in crunch time and hit their shots. All year the Bulls have been a team that has come back from deficits and it just so happens that the shoe was in the other foot. I will believe what I see in a six/seven month sample over a two week sample.
48 minutes of intensity
Yeah, I wasn’t referring to like taking a player to build a franchise around though. I meant like as in who would you want on your team right now.
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
CP3 is a better player right now, it's not close, there's no debate
And I like Rose and want him to succeed. And I could see if you picking for the future that it would be reasonable to pick Rose over CP3. But right now, Rose is not in Paul’s league as a basketball player. You can can google up the NY times about who the best point guard in the league was this season.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
regardless of your argument
your choice of the NY Times as a credible source on best PG is suspect
It's totally a credible source
Check it out
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
basing ur opinion on someone else's opinion does not make it valid
its an opinion, u can find articles that say otherwise. Just cuz its in the NY times doesnt make it right.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on that reasoning then no source is a credible source
It didn’t say nytimes=right, I said that the analysis in that blog was credible. And it is. You may think it’s wrong, but they look at actual data (statistics and video), describe what they see and how that caused them to judge Paul as the best PG in the league. It’s an opinion supported by evidence.
So, they might be wrong, but you show me the articles they say otherwise and then we can debate which article makes the better case.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose MVP, Paul Not MVP
case closed
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at the past winners of the MVP.
Rose does not belong on that list.
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I fail to see how this is any more undeserving than Steve Nash winning 2 MVPs.
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right it should have been LJB those 2 years.
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So then I guess he does belong on that list
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually no. Nash doesn't belong on that list
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And probably not Iverson either
But then you are talking about different list. Rose was far from an indefensible choice this season. He’s not an outlier on that list.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya, I should have included Iverson as well.
I’m just not a big fan of high volume inefficient point guards.
Compare Rose with Paul. Rose needed 23.5 shots to average 27 points. Paul only needed 13 shots to average 22. And its not even close when you look at assists.
LBJ, 19 shots, 26 points plus 5.5 assists and 9 rebounds.
I don’t even think Rose was a top 3 player this year.
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why don't you go through the entire list and tell us which guys
didn’t deserve and which did. We’ve got 3 out of the way. Add Iverson makes it a 4th. Dirk won an MVP, was shut down by Stephen Jackson and the GS warriors and was promptly knocked out in the 1st round. You got anymore?
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose Nash Iverson.
I think a lot of people would agree.
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thats like 4 of the last 10
yeah a lot of people would agree. Doesn’t mean those guys didn’t earn those trophies. Its a regular season award.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I was definitely throwing a bitch fit last night
but I still think CP3 is better than Rose. And I really don’t want to continue down this path again today, but before we start rattling on about how Rose took his team to the Eastern Conference Finals, let’s just keep in mind who he had to beat to get there. A joke of an Indiana team, and probably one of the worst 5 seeds ever (they had a negative point differential)
I still love Rose, and he’ll be a great player, but CP3 might have made the ECF too if he was playing those teams, in this conference
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He might of made the ECF, but I don;t think he would have beaten the Heat
In fact, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have.
I think it’s dangerous to make a bunch of assertions off about individual players off of their team’s playoff performance. I remember watching Paul’s team get annihilated by Denver a couple of years ago in the playoffs…and I was shocked that a team with an undeniably great player on it would get so thoroughly destroyed. And by a team was not great.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
OKC let Jeff Green go and James Harden emerged. I can see Omer Asik emerging if Joakim Noah is let go for package of quality wings.
As a Englewood native, I take much pride in watching D.Rose perform out on the court.
Big difference is that Jeff Green was always mediocre at best on both ends of the court and Harden had already shown flashes
of being a better and more important player to the team. Noah, on the other hand, was playing at an All Star level before his injury and is far better than Asik on the offensive end
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I can see Omer Asik emerging if Joakim Noah is let go for package of quality wings.
What kind of wings are we talking here? Buffalo? Barbecue? Wingstop? Hooters?
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just hate that he's a free agent after this next season
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
We can probably only keep Yaj or Omer and I pick O.
Taj is the person who will more than likely be shipped. And I’m guessing he ends up in Memphis.
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I completely agree with everything about Noah not being in at the end.
forget boozer, but noah is the heart and soul of this team, is more athletic than thomas (so he could have helped maybe closing out on some of those heat jumpers off of picks) and he can at least handle the ball on offense. To be honest, I really think Jo was severely under-utilized this year. He was a monster in the playoffs last year and was much more of a threat on offense. He simply hasn’t taken as many mid range shots and hooks. I would be very disappointed if Noah was dealt for anything less than a package to bring Howard (which is unlikely).
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on May 27, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
I think the Bulls will win between 43-48 games next year
No reason to try when you know the refs have already given the trophy to LeBron
People need to stop freaking out
The worst thing about this loss is how dramatic the response has been. For that reason, winning 5 and losing in 6 on the road would have been much better. It would have been broadly meaningless. You can’t draw strong inferences from a sample size of 1 (or 5).
This happened to the Celtics. They were basically there last year. Sure, there players were getting older, but they didn’t need to shake up things quite as dramatically as they did. If they could have found a way to keep Tony Allen and Perk, the gap between them and the heat similarly wouldn’t have been as large.
Similarly, I hope the Bulls don’t shake things up too much. The gap between them and the heat is not as significant as game 5 suggested. The heat are one injury away from disaster. And they aren’t getting younger.
Also, Rose haters tend to forget a number of important things: 1) It took Jordan 7 years and that came after three straight defeats to the pistons (including a 4-1 semi-final defeat in Jordan’s 4th year); 2) this is James’ 8th year in the league and his success comes on the heels of serious disappointment; and 3) post Shaq, Lakers were basically running the same kind of ineffective ISO with Kobe. They had to seriously discipline and reform Kobe to turn their offense into the machine it was.
So while there are certainly improvements they could make at the margins (korver should go), I don’t think we need serious reform. What we need is a more disciplined offense. This brilliant post is still instructive: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/18622/what-the-chicago-bulls-can-learn-from-the-utah-jazz
by amarishnu on May 27, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This wasn't an overreaction
Anyone that says this loss wasn’t that big of a deal, I question whether you’re truly a Bulls fan. I don’t care if they’re “ahead of schedule” or “The future is bright” or whatever. This was a horrendously ugly defeat by the worst team possible to get handed that kind of defeat by
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No, a first round loss to Indiana would have been worse
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably, but not by much
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop being an idiot. If the Bulls lost to the Pacers in the 1st round you would have jumped off a building with a "ROSE SUCKS BOOZER 4 HOF" shirt on.
by Ozzie Montana on May 27, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well yeah, of course
Both would have sucked. Although I wouldn’t have blasted Rose. He mostly played well in that series. It wasn’t until the Heat that he started playing truly awful.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
bad logic
we won because he played well at crucial moments, in other words, if we had lost, most likely, its cuz in those crucial moments rose DIDNT play well…so…yea what ozzie said
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Not really
We won because we had a superb defense and rebounding first of all, THEN we won because of Rose’s heroics.
I know how good of a player Rose is, but I think eventually his style of play is only bad for a basketball team. That can be seen as “hating” or whatever, that’s fine. Even at his best, he was not a very good pg this postseason.
At times I’ve let the spectacular plays, awesome personality, great storyline, and great team record blind me from the fact that, deep down, I know you don’t win basketball games with your pg playing that way.
Which isn’t to say he can’t change. In fact, I’d put my money on him doing just that. But the bottom line is that there were a lot of good players on the team this year (at least more than the “He’s the only guy!” crowd will have you believe). He NEEDED to be more of a facilitator. More of the 19 point 12 assist guy from Game 6 vs Atlanta, and less of the 44 point game guy.
All of that overreliance finally came to a head in the biggest playofff series of the year, against a team that was finally able to exploit our weaknesses. Props to them. Just know that the reason we aren’t playing in the Finals has nothing to do with being too young, or going through the steps, or even a few key guys having a bad series (did you see Dwayne Wade?). It happened because the offensive style of basketball we played was doomed to fail.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
look i think u of all people need to realize
that unless the bulls won the championship this season, theres almost no way u werent going to feel the way u do right now. Lose to the pacers, ud be blaming rose, lose to the hawks, blame rose, lose to the heat, blame rose, lose to the mavs…blame rose…
He is THE player on this team, he is the pg and he is the best player, he is where the ball and each possession begins, and ultimately where most of them end. If we beat the heat and lost to the mavs, u wouldve claimed that the bulls team was there in the finals something thats hard and rare to do to begin wtih it, and he choked cuz he didnt pass the ball or because he didnt take enough shots or because he didnt guard jason kidd or something along those lines…
Simply put, theres no way rose could play a perfect game if the team loses, somehow hes always gonna be the reason for the loss, a bad pass, a pass to the wrong player, the wrong drive, the wrong jumper, the right jumper but missed shot, the no call that he shouldve selled a lot more…..its not hard to find rose at the center of the blame during a loss….in fact…its too easy
and its not wrong, no one will deny that…but the way u react….any loss this post season, any team to beat us….ur reaction wouldve been this…
u can tell me it would vary in terms of level of bitchiness, but i think ud react the same regardless everytime.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on May 27, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
look i think u of all people need to realize
that unless the bulls won the championship this season, theres almost no way u werent going to feel the way u do right now. Lose to the pacers, ud be blaming rose, lose to the hawks, blame rose, lose to the heat, blame rose, lose to the mavs…blame rose…
I would tell you honestly if that was the case, but I think you’re wrong here. I would not have been nearly as upset, or pissed at Rose if it were another situation. Sure, I might have found a different scapegoat to get upset with, but my reaction would have been entirely different, and I don’t think I would’ve been nearly as down about it.
The opponent, and manor in which we lost has almost everything to do with the way I feel at the moment.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i've watched you questions Rose
heart, toughness, mental ability, playing style and talent for 3 solid years now. I agree with Piccolo, you would have found fault with him no matter what. you always do.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah in terms of attitude they are an insufferable bunch and I hate their guts as well,
but they are a great basketball team talent wise and we could sure do a lot worse than lose to the Miami Heat, the basketball team, not the group of individuals that led them to the Finals. It was also baffling to me the way they lost the lead, but I’m a glass half-full guy, so I expect us to improve.
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Man you are a depressing dude.
When you go get ice cream, do you point out all the flavors you hate before ordering? Sheesh.
Nah, I'm just a guy that loves the Bulls, and HATES the Heat
That series was my apocalypse. But whatever, it’s over now
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Pointing out that LBJ or Chris Paul is better than Rose does not mean we are Rose haters.
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That's not the point
I think it would be a horrible idea to get rid of him now or say that he is the reason for these losses. Without him, we would be near the bottom of the league, but I’m sure some of you would prefer that to going to the conference finals.
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Need some more straw?
Who suggested that we need to get rid of Rose?
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rose vs paul, one on one
rose would destroy paul
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Paul would probably win due to his superior defense.
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what's his advantage?
steals? it’s not like one on one there are passing lanes.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Actually, I think Rose would win one on one
In fact, I doubt there’s any player in the league (given similar size) that Rose couldn’t take one on one. Unfortunately, the NBA is a five on five league
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose would not take anyone one on one.
His defense is average at best.
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That's not true
His pick and role defense is average at best…his work off the ball isn’t great either.
But his on-ball defense is good, maybe better than good. There’s a reason he had so many blocks. Rose gets burned in traffic (like a lot of players in the league).
One on one, Rose’s defense would be every bit as good as Paul’s if not better. I think Rose is the better one on one player
Paul is still the better player.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know. I think Rose falls for too many pump fakes.
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Rose is a very good iso defender
Check this out
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link
If what Sports Synergy says is true then I stand corrected.
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The Bulls have 0 chance until The Bron retires.
I’ve looked at the stats. Bulls didnt only win, they dominated every category except two. Free throws and fouls.
As much as I despise LeDouche James,
that was some awesome show of skills and poise he displayed last night (and throughout the series, but particularly last night). I think Henry Abbott’s article on Jordan vs. James does a good job of summing things up on how good LeDouche is, especially this brilliant paragraph:
Rings, based on so much luck, health and team, are a slow and sometimes incorrect way to determine which individual player plays best. Rings don’t pick the greats. Instead, they alleviate the risk of calling someone great. You can’t look dumb calling a champion a hero. But that doesn’t mean the best might not yet be a champion.
I’m quite optimistic on the Bulls’ chance of improvement in the coming years. But I’m even more concerned about what kind of invincible monster that Miami squad can become now that they seem to have figured out how to play w/ each other and, god forbid, if they get better supporting players. And, of course, b/c LeDouche seems poised to separate himself from the rest of the pack even further. God help us all.
Lebron travels more in one playoff series than MJ did in his entire postseason career.
The only thing they have in common is that they both wore the # 23 at some point in their careers. To even compare them is a disrespect to MJ. If you want to compare a current player to MJ, take Kobe not LeBrick. The guy gets away with so much BS and gets bailed on so many possessions, it’s really terrible. Hoping the Mavs can take them out, but seeing how much the refs are helping them out and how much they’ve helped Lebrick out in the past, I wouldn’t put it past the Heat. Shame.
I can't believe we're still trying to compare him to MJ.
MJ played the game the right way. I don’t remember him flopping around the way Lebron does on a nightly basis. He just torched guys every night. Lebron might be the best at working the refs. And, I guess if I’m a cynical NBA fan, I’d say that makes him a great player. But, I’d like to think that there are still guys, like Rose, who can actually excel at playing the game of basketball, not the game of drawing fouls. The way Lebron plays is fucking garbage. He would never get away with that shit on a street court. He’d be labeled as a pu$$y immediately.
And Jordan hand-checked more than James ever could.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
becasue the rules were different...
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
and the "interpretations" of the ruleshas changed,too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i don't know what you mean
those are still travels in the NBA, regardless of the interpretations. They literally said “no more perimeter hand-checking” 10 years ago – the rule completely changed. If the traveling interpretation is so different, why were they calling Rose/Wade for traveling for doing the exact same things as Lebron? The refs just blew those calls, nothing to do with interpretation.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck that
they even changed the rules for the crab dribble by adding a ‘1/2 step’ so now its even harder to figure out if guys are traveling….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Yeah when James has 100% focus, it is hard pressed to beat a team that features him, whether we like it or not
That will be the interesting story over the years. I honestly think Wade has had his best days behind him. Not saying he is anywhere near retirement. But I think his play goes down from here. Thus the Heat’s success for the next few years depends on how well Lebron and Bosh play for them. Bosh may be a complete pu**y and overrated, but he is still better than any player we have outside of D Rose. We don’t need a superstar nontheless, we just need a player who can create his own shot( preferably a two-guard so that we are not relying on the gritty but short on talent triumvirate of Bogans-Brewer-and Korver) and a big man that can play efficiently on both ends of the court and we’ll be fine.
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i'm considering flagging you
for taking it back
by SidM on May 27, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
basketbawful
Not too long ago, I went on a mild but heartfelt rant abusing everybody who was rushing (yet again) to compare LeBron to MJ. My argument — and, if you know me at all, this isn’t a new one — is that the numbers don’t and cannot tell the whole story. There are aspects of the game that simply cannot be quantified. Determination, killer instinct, the near sociopathic desire to obliterate anyone standing in your way. In those areas, Michael Jordan had no peers. LeBron, for all his amazing talent and sheer physical ability, isn’t there. Isn’t even close, really.
He has his moments. Game 3 (2010). LeBron had a true “Kneel before Zod!” moment and destroyed the Celtics almost by himself. But that was one game. Win or lose, Jordan used to do that almost every game. MJ was terrifying. LeBron can be terrifying. There’s a difference.
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Yep, that's it.
On the other hand, I will say that LeBron passes out of a double team to the open man far more than Jordan did. Whether that’s a good thing or not is another matter — Jordan often scored anyway.
cuz jordan said F you to the double team and then proceeded to teabag it
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
that pretty much sums it up
and is a similar point to the one i was trying to make in the thread dedicated to scottie’s comments. i believe that jordan would have achieved even more if he had the physical tools lebron does. it is only because of those that he can come even close.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I really,really,really, wish d-rose would have hit that shot over lebron at the end of game 4.
It would have been his craig ehlo signature moment. A clutch mvp dagger that would be replayed forever. Instead there is just pain. So much sad horrible pain. I hate sports!
by #1humblebot on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
had a feeling if he had a good grip of the ball back then
That would go in imo. But it squirted out before he had a grip
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yeah guess his hands are too small
Just like grossman..just…like… gross…man.
by #1humblebot on May 27, 2011 2:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
my hands are perfectly normal
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on May 30, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
But it squirted out before he had a grip
Sounds like a night with Delonte and Gloria James
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish he would have passed to an open Luol Deng.
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I just wanted to thank you guys for making my first "season" on BaB a fun one.
I found this blog in the summer and immediately started reading it every day. While some of the contributors here can get annoying, I usually enjoy everyone’s opinions and posts. I had a great time commenting on the game threads when I was on the internet during the games (which wasn’t often, unfortunately) and learning about the hatred for everyone’s least favorite Celtic Martian. I am extremely excited about next year and hope most of you share my optimism. Go Bulls!
I do too
this season had “too good to be true” written all over it and I didn’t want to believe it, but we have face facts for this year I guess. Rose is only 22, we may finish with a worse record next year, but overall I think his personal improvement alone will lead to a better playoff performance for the upcoming years.
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i think we'll finish around the same, if not better
keep in mind we had noah out for 30+ games who was absolutely dominating in his first month. Boozer was injured a ton, this will prolly happen again tho. I am assuming we upgrade our 2 spot. Asik will improve, Rose always gets better.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I do have a personal autograph from him that I got while at O'hare, so I can never really hate him but this was baffling
Pippen should have just said, “Great players hit great shots”, or something to that effect. No reason to pour salt on the wounds by throwing a player who was a significant part( understatement) in helping you get six rings under the bus.
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i think its funny that they are comparing dirk to bird and now lebron to MJ
just cuz of one series, people are insane. i find comparing players pointless unless theyve actually faced each other at their prime
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by ALmighty1080 on May 27, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone seen this?

See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Hopefully one of these years, The Cavs can beat the Heat at some stage in the playoffs with Lebron still on the team
and then lose to us( not getting carried away here)
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Miami dominated and the Bulls suck ass
Let’s break up the team. Derrick Rose is overrated. The Bulls future is a shambles.
I mean, that’s what a completely objective person would think in looking at the results, right?
What other conclusions could you come to, considering that during the series:
- The Bulls made more FGs than the Heat, and dished out more assists
- The Bulls grabbed more rebounds than the Heat
- The Bulls scored more points in the paint than the Heat
- The Bulls had more fast-break points than the Heat
- The Bulls had fewer turnovers than the Heat
Yeah, let’s not overreact. It was complete domination, and Gar Paxdorf need to trade Rose for Deron Williams or CP3, gut the ballclub, and fire Thibs while they’re at it. It makes PERFECT sense.
Shit, in a 4-games-to-1 playoff series, the only places where a statistician could find Miami domination is in getting to the free throw line and making them when they got there.
by Sweetness Lives On on May 27, 2011 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
What a game!
Heat fan here; It was a really good series. The Bulls defense is great; never seen D Wade get shut down like that for most of game 3 and 4. You guys just need another scorer and you’re right there. You’ll have a chance for revenge next season….
by ModernWarfareCamper on May 27, 2011 3:00 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks man, Heat fans have been really classy for the most part
I have to give credit where it’s due.
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Well, it's been real folks
Just wanna say thanks to yfbb and all the great commenters that make this place so much fun to be a part of throughout the year. The great thing about BaB is that it takes the average Bulls’ season, and makes it about 10 times funner than it would normally be.
Now I need a few days off to put the end of the season out of my head, and recover from all the bodily harm I inflicted upon myself during that series.
(p.s. Sorry if I pissed anyone off with that little tirade last night. That series sucked. D Rose is still the man. Now he just needs to become more of the man)
(p.s.s. I’m officially now blaming yfbb for the Miami series due to the bad karma created by keeping a Vinny Del Negro related tagline up for the entire season)
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You are an odd duck, my man
Shit on the team during games, after games, the day after games, constantly suggest outlandish trades that reveal your basketball knowledge to be roughly on par with that of a 3-year-old, blind Eskimo girl, seeming make it your personal mission to twist the knife as deep as possible into any poster that’s trying to keep their head up after a loss (the more devastating, the better for you), go so far as to question the fandom of posters who don’t suggest completely blowing up a 62-win team, and then after all that, thank everyone for all the good times.
Look up the term “sociopath.”
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by gafferland on May 27, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ya cause everyone should be a homer.
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agree…and his “this game isnt a must win” tweet he did during game 4. ITS ALL ON U YFBB!!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 27, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh well, I tried.
Just a poor attempt at a mea culpa. Even though none of this really matters, for some reason I actually felt bad about certain things I said yesterday.
I knew you wouldn’t like it btw. Anything I write that alludes to the fact that I recognize that other people recognize some of the dumb shit I say, is likely severely frowned upon.
(fades back into anonymity)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 27, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
LeBron will never be better than MJ
No matter what he accomplishes, he will never be able to take away his 2010 series with the Celtics.
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Too much pick and roll
The Heats had the Bulls PnR figured out from Game 2. Every time the Bulls tried to run it at the end of games, the Heat shut it down.
I’m not certain whether to attribute this to a lack of creativity, or a lack of personnel that can run anything different. The PnRs just made me cringe — usually a turnover, brick, or offensive foul.
especially the pnr with noah
pnr with booz sometimes work, but he sucks defensively. same thing with korver.
its tough playing pnr vs miami using screeners with limited offensive skills
oh boy

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by MichaelClutchtree on May 27, 2011 4:16 PM CDT reply actions
blur out half of noah while youre at it
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on May 27, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Trade Noah
for someone who can put the fucking ball in the fucking hoop.
It would be nice to trade Booz but I doubt they’d get much for him.
They can trade Noah because he the best trade value and Asik is there to replace him.(Unless they got Howard).
I used to love Noah but after this series I’m tired of him. It’s not because of what he said, it’s because he’s so inconsistent. We have a defensive center (Asik). We need someone who can score.
He's not healthy people
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by Bullsarenumber1 on May 28, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Jesus, this is so Chicago!
“Gee, we sucked, we won 62 games, we made it to the ECF for the first time in 13 years, we have the youngest MVP ever, our coach was named coach of the year..” Yeah we suck alright. We need to get off the trail of tears and realize that we had a great, great year. One could say we overachieved. Yes we played badly vs the Heat, but even playing badly we could have won every game, we were that close, even though the score shows otherwise. Glad I am not a Cubs fan. Can’t imagine what you guys go through every year!
I don't think the Bulls played badly in this series
Overall they defended the Heat better than any other team in the league could. They were aggressive on offense, they badly outrebounded the Heat, and they turned the ball over less. The Bulls even made more shots than the Heat, though scoring in crunchtime proved more difficult. The principal reason the Bulls lost this series was that they couldn’t get to the free throw line as often as the Heat, despite attacking the rim more. Miami’s players were more crafty at getting calls, and other than that the Bulls were as good if not better. They acquitted themselves well no matter what any instant reaction says.
Also, I’m surprised that so many people here are so down on Rose. He faced 3 above-averages defenses employing schemes entirely aimed at slowing him down, he battled an ankle injury, and his PER dropped less than a point, from 23.5 in the regular season to 22.6 in the postseason. That’s pretty impressive. Expectations for him have become so exceptionally high that I guess he was bound to disappoint if the Bulls didn’t win it all. His expectations for himself may be even higher, and I expect him to work hard in the offseason to get better. This is still a good time to be a Bulls fan. I just hope there’s a season next year.
by from the window to luol on May 27, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
this is sort of how i feel
i feel that despite the ft disparity, it didnt matter. Had we simply MADE our fts we probably wouldve won every game. Its not the ammount of fts u get or dont get, its about the ones u knock down. Especially when guys like rose were going to the line. But overall i think we outplayed the big 3 as a team. The way i see it, the bulls have beaten the heat 4 times this year, the heat have beaten the bulls 4 times this year….dont get me wrong,, the loss hurts, but u cant just go into depression for more than a day because of it. Even if the team doesnt change, i think if we play this same heat team next year, we beat them.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
yeah couldve been in a much better position had rose hit those free throws
but the amount of free throw attempts matter for guys like lebron and wade(and also rose). It gets them rhythm. as the games goes on, that jumpshot will get easier and easier.
plus the more obvious factors like getting in the penalty, foul trouble, adjusting with the calls etc
thats all true
but in this series really, just by looking at what went down, it was just a matter of us hitting our fts in 3 of the 5 games. I guess if u think the game is really rigged, then u could argue that us hitting more fts wouldve caused the refs to blow more whistles for the heat as well…..but im trying not to think of it like that. In this series, just making our fts would almost always be enough for the wins…even the supposed double digit wins the heat got, really they only occured after we blew the game…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
im actually leaning on the refs just showing how powerful they are, or they are just dumb
there are games where calls and noncalls all over the place on both sides(not this series). blatant travels, fouls w/o even touching, deciding on possession on out of bounds play etc
they will call a tech on you doing nothing. Comment on it on the media then you’ll get fined by Stern. NBA refs just got too much power in this league
A rant and a bit of optimism
I think we’re all quick to forget about a few nagging injuries. Boozer’s turf toe, Joakim’s thumb and even Brewers thumb. You hate to use these as excuses but it is what it is. Noah and Boozer didn’t just turn into crap overnight. They gave it everything they had and you gotta applaud it. It eventually led to these 4th quarter benchings.
Rose is gonna get better (like he said) which is scary for the rest of the league and LeBron, Wade and Bosh have all reached their prime already.
I think (hope, more like it) that we’ve finally seen the end of Bogans in our starting line up. That’s celebratory in itself.
It’s pretty much a 2 team race now in the East for a while to come so it’s all about getting better than Miami now. We shouldn’t be worrying about Orlando or Boston. Even New York (they’re not getting that third superstar with the cap they have left). Simply put, we have assets (Taj, Asik, expirings and picks). We can get much better faster than the Heat can based on that alone.
I don’t think Boozer is untradeable. We used to think the same about Lu and now he’d be a valuable asset as well if they came to the conclusion they wanted to make a major move.
This is the FIRST year under Thibs. Not crazy to believe the defense gets better.
It’s a terrible way to end the year and it sucks more cause I’m not sure when we get to see another Bulls game again but they just hung in there with the team everyone assumed was a lock for a ring this year.
Remember all those two year deals this past offseason? They’re two year deals for a certain reason. If they weren’t good enough, they could package them for upgrades. Sucks that Boozer wasn’t one of them, I know but there are desperate teams out there who might be willing to take him on hoping he’ll just stay healthy (like we did)
I can’t wait till draft day. We might be able to upgrade dramatically then.
Now we can sit back and enjoy the fact that the Bulls had the best record in the league under only their first year together. We’re a lot like OKC. Proof isn’t just talent but the way we lost in the postseason.
Bulls have the brightest future in the league, let’s not forget that. We barely just got a taste of success. Let’s celebrate that idea that were gonna get used to it and the dog days are finally behind us.
And hey, who knows? Maybe Dwight warms up to the idea we’re all hoping for
by Option27 on May 27, 2011 6:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
hell yeah and dont be surprised if paxson gets invovled in the howard rumours
ill bet alot of money that the bulls will be involved for at least one star player this offseason. Hopefully its Howard and damn, the day Howard comes is the day ill cry tears of joy for the whole freekin offseason.
Hard to play good D when everyone is sitting on 4 and 5 fouls
Much easier to play good D when your ‘foul trouble’ consists of one guy with three fouls until the last minute of the game.
End of story.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
an underrated aspect of the game
was Deng picking up his 5th foul. Lebron really got going after that. Brewer can do a job affecting his dribble, but he can’t contest the shot as well as Deng.
Plus it took Brewer off Wade who was shutting him down. I thought Thibs waited too long to switch Deng back on to Lebron.
by Basketball Smurf on May 27, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
wish we could get boozer traded for joe johnson in some kind of mega block buster
Should've traded for Melo.
JJ wasnt really playing that well before the playoffs but sure is 100x better than any of our sg
And wasnt his contract much bigger than booz?
i dunno if Taj is ready for a whole season, he has improve his jumpshot but his post skills is still quite limited and combine that with noah makes it even worse. He also needs to get stronger.
Can we be an elite team with Taj, Noah, Asik frontline?

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