Andrew Bynum and OJ Mayo on June 24th @ GarPax
Now before this three-way trade idea of mine is subjected to unfavorable remarks and shot down for one reason or another by those present in the commenting section, acknowledge that there's realistic consequences to downplaying the seriousness of Bulls current situation. You may think I'm overreacting, but Chicago Bulls are Nate Robinson steps away (one little step, two little step) from incidentally exposing their superstar Derrick Rose to eternal martydom at the hands of Miami Heat's Big-Three if they don't understand the urgency to make a blockbuster trade:
What we all saw yesterday by Miami Heat is just a glimpse of what we're going to see by year three of the Wade-James-Bosh experiment.
We shouldn't assume Carlos Boozer to be a logically better defender and a logically more assertive effective scorer to cloak their obvious ascension either (he'll be 30-years-old by next year for crying out loud); same goes for Luol Deng -- we shouldn't assume he will play the same rate of minutes and amount of games without an unfortunate occurrence of injury as well (yes, I too have enough sense to believe Deng being healthy is a paradox).
When I said Bulls should not have signed Carlos Boozer over Amare Stoudemire last July, I meant it. When I said they should have traded Noah for Carmelo Anthony in February, I meant it. And even when I said they should have kept Ben Gordon, I too meant it.
And guess what, I still mean it all...
Chicago Bulls: Andrew Bynum, TE for three-million (LA)
PG - Rose, Ford (Sign/One-Year/3.0M)
SG - Mayo, Brewer
SF - Deng, Ty. Prince (MLE)
PF - Gibson, Thomas (Resign/One-Year/854.4K)
C - Bynum, Asik
Los Angeles Lakers: Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah
PG - Fisher, Blake
SG - Bryant, Brown
SF - Artest, Barnes
PF - Boozer, Odom
C - Gasol, Noah
Memphis Grizzlies: 2012 First-Round Pick (Charlotte Bobcats)
PG - Conley, Vasquez
SG - Allen, Young
SF - Gay, Battier
PF - Randolph, Arthur
C - Gasol, Haddadi
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What would the Lakers possibly want with Boozer?
The Playoffs: That magical time of year when I become a fan of every team that Lebron James isn't playing for.
In one sense, I agree; but I can visualize what they’d want with Noah and him. They’re Mike Brown players.
As a Englewood native, I take much pride in watching D.Rose perform out on the court.
They already have Pau Gasol
They want Boozer to come off the bench?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
According to the post, he's playing center with Noah off the bench, which makes no sense cap wise.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 25, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
what does the cap have to do with it?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
what's the infatuation with Bynum?
The guy is a slightly less injury prone Oden. Out of 492 games since he’s been drafted, he’s only played in 332. That’s almost 2 seasons worth of games he’s missed due to injury. Every time he goes to the ground the LA front office holds it’s breath. I’m not sure I’m happy with Noah, but I think I would take him over Bynum.
Another thing is I don’t get the love for Mayo either. I watched at least 70 games this season and he left me less than impressed. I will admit he played great around playoff time, but most people who describe him (including my former roommate who was a journalist for the Grizz) said he was his own worst enemy and underachieves by his own standards. His benching this year was his own fault. If he were sitting out there I would take him, but honestly I don’t think it worth it to pursue him so heavily since I’m not sure by his stoic demeanor and his effortless looks how much he really is putting into his games.
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This trade leaves the bulls very thin in the frontcourt...
They would have no front court flexibility unless you are assuming they draft a power forward/center, and even then there’s no guarantee Thibs will give the rookie much playing time, especially if they can’t prove their worth defensively. Not to mention how incredibly injury prone Bynum is. If he goes down we would be looking at a starting front court of Taj and a 38 year old Kurt Thomas which is most definitely not a good long term option.
But even looking past all of that, what leads you to believe that Memphis would take only a 1st round pick that could vest anywhere in the next 5 years for Mayo? Especially when they’ve made it known that they believe he is more valuable than that. I know that they are going to have a big time salary crunch this summer with the upcoming Marc Gasol extension but I highly doubt they let Mayo go without requesting either Taj or Asik in return, which brings us back to the original problem.
While I would be on board with this in a vacuum as it gets the Bulls out of Boozer’s contract and gets them the SG needed to take that next step, I just can’t see it happening without a lot more players and picks exchanging hands.
"Shifty cornerstones make for fragile franchises. You do shiny. I’ll take solid." -Ric Bucher on taking Rose or Lebron to start a team
by gridiron_assassin on May 25, 2011 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck Bynum
He’s a dirty, overrated piece of shit
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This Trade Makes No Sense
Stop trying to act smart and think before you post a trade idea. The Lakers are already WAY over the salary cap and with a new CBA there’s no way they would take on more salary. Bynum makes a bit over 14 million a year while Noah and Boozer together make about 27 million. Not only that but they have shown reluctance to trade him so why would they do so to have Noah come off the bench. Or even if Noah and Gasol started then they would be paying Boozer and Odom a combined 24 million to come off the bench.
Not only that, but if you are worried about Deng and all getting hurt in the future then you have to have those same concerns X100 for Bynum. The guy is constantly hurt and if he gets hurt, we would be starting Gibson and Asik. (You think Rose has a large scoring load now…)
Please let me know if I’m wrong in anything I said or the figures I gave, else this is just another stupid trade idea from an ignorant and panicking fan.
I like this trade.
Bynum gives us a true defensive anchor that Noah is not, and he’s probably equal to Boozer offensively. Taj/Bynum would be tough as hell inside defensively, and you wouldn’t have much of a drop off when you go to Asik off the bench.
We’d have to bring in some veteran bigs to bring up our depth. And I don’t understand what happened to CJ Watson and Kyle Korver just disappearing from the team in this scenario.
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by hedonism bot on May 26, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Bynum? No. Mayo? Yes, please.
When I said Bulls should not have signed Carlos Boozer over Amare Stoudemire last July, I meant it.
I guess you don’t know anything about microfracture surgery.
When I said they should have traded Noah for Carmelo Anthony in February, I meant it.
It was Noah and Deng. Heyyll. Nah.
And even when I said they should have kept Ben Gordon, I too meant it.
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And guess what, I still mean it all…
I’m sorry.
All of these games against the Heat (save for Game 1) have all been close throughout, with the Heat pulling away in the 3rd/4th/OT. Considering the absolutely laughable production we’ve gotten from our entire rotation at the 2 this series, the fact that these games have unfolded like they have is really encouraging for our future. Yet, you want to make a panic trade for an injury prone Bynum? Fuck that.
As for getting Mayo, you hit the nail on the head there. He’s what we need, and if we get him I will jump so high my hands will get stuck in the ceiling. I dream of Mayo’s ballhandling and creating abilities adding an entirely new dimension to our anemic offense and his all-around shooting and scoring capabilities taking a load off Rose’s shoulders. He could be that Pippen that we’ve been searching for, that reliable 2nd option on offense. Rose and Mayo could be the dynamic duo backcourt for the next decade. We NEED to get him.
And, of course, there’s the possibility of acquiring Dwight. Hopefully he’s sitting at home and watching how hard our guys play and marveling at our elite defense. And that would mean he’s also seeing the Heat and realizing he’ll never beat them if he stays in Orlando, goes to NJ, or goes to LA. If he’s smart, he’ll pick the best combination of big market exposure and winning: Chicago. What more could he want than to team up with Rose and run the league for the next decade?
In summary, it’s not like we’re getting blown out by the Heat. These are close games that we’re losing, and considering the utter lack of production from our entire rotation at SG, I’m really confident that we’re OJ Mayo away from beating them. And hopefully Dwight makes the right choice :)
Our future’s bright people. Miami is going to be stuck with acquiring over the hill vets and drafting in the late 20s/30s. We, on the other hand, have the pieces to acquire a SG upgrade, and even Dwight fuckin’ Howard. Oh, and we have that glorious Charlotte pick as well. Making a panic trade for Andrew Bynum is like Plan Z (and I would’ve used a letter way below Z if there was one)
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by Sir Buckets on May 26, 2011 2:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well thought-out, sir. You’re entirely accurate on the situation at hand. Yet I still say give me Bynum. Here’s why partially:
- Howard isn’t coming to Chicago, so don’t worry about him making the right choice. It’s something here he doesn’t want to be apart of because any logical-minded Superstar would’ve been jump at the golden opportunity of being altruistically fed the ball by the most unselfish Superstar in the league - and he quite simply hasn’t.
— Also, we need to get younger; Boozer is on a five-year contract at the age of 30 and hasn’t had ten games in a Bulls younger uniform where I can point to and say, ‘this is why we got this this jackum-joe.’
As a Englewood native, I take much pride in watching D.Rose perform out on the court.
I'm pretty sure we don't need any more young guys.
Out youth has been pretty exposed lately.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 26, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
no, the bad play has been exposed
the heat’s starting line up is: 26, 26, 28, 29, 32
the bulls’ starting lineup is : 22, 25, 25, 29, 30
the heat’s main bench is: 24, 30, 30
the bulls’ bench is : 24, 25, 25, 29, 30
Are the heat older? Yeah, but not by enough to say it’s the youth, in my opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Considering our 3 best players are the 22, 25, and 25, and have NEVER been this far in the playoffs.
Then, yes, I would say our youth was exposed.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 27, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
As a Lakers fan, I highly doubt they would do this
The problem with LA this season, while can be attributed somewhat to how the bigs played P&R situations and their poor help defense, it was more of an issue for the team that they had poor guards starting and coming off the bench (Fisher, Blake, Brown), and just overall bad perimeter play (Barnes and Artest). Kobe, as we all know, is not as fast or quick as he used to be, and the days of him breaking down his defender from the wing and getting to the basket are a thing of YouTube past. The Lakers biggest need is to rebalance their roster, by getting more athletic with better shooters.
Also, this creates a even bigger logjam at the 4 and 5, with now Odom, Gasol, Noah, and Boozer fighting for 96 minutes. Odom at SF is only feasible against a team like Dallas with Marion at the 3, and the Lakers won’t play them 82 games of the year.
The only player the Lakers want from Chicago for Bynum is Rose, and we know that’ll never happen.
I was thinking you all would be Mike Brown-esque after this trade, but according to you, not really. Nevertheless, I still think Lakers should do this trade; they’d be Denver Nuggets on steroids. Y’all would have quality starters on the bench that’ll prefer to defer. It seems to me Bynum wants to be the man — and that he can be in Chicago.
As a Englewood native, I take much pride in watching D.Rose perform out on the court.
Boozer has been ineffective as a low-post scorer in this year’s playoffs; Bynum contrastingly showed up and kept the Lakers relevant and on top of that, he’s relatively young compared to Boozer. But I do agree with you in one sense: that we need Mayo. Far as J-Rich, I’m done with the notion of acquiring players past their primes. We’re doing the opposite of OKC right now.
As a Englewood native, I take much pride in watching D.Rose perform out on the court.
u missed the point
The Lakers are imbalanced in that they have too much strength and size, and not enough speed/quickness and athleticism. This trade only makes that imbalance even worse. The Lakers got swept primarily because of their poor defense, but even had they played decent defense, they still could have lost to Dallas in 6 games due to lack of perimeter speed.
agree
We lost this series by not having a perimeter scorer to take the load off of Rose. Korver needs his points by running players off of screens and off ball movement. Bogans is a spot up shooter. I’m not quite sure what Brewer is. Bulls needed a JR Smith type of scorer who could put pressure on the Heat by driving, or spacing the floor. They don’t need Bynum, they need perimeter space.
lakers may not trade Bynum
Jim Buss has made clear that Andrew Bynum is “untouchable in trade talks.”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 26, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
Sooo Dwight Howard is either staying or coming here?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 26, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
bingo
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by hedonism bot on May 26, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions

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