2011 Eastern Conference Finals: season on the brink as Heat slow Rose and the Bulls again
by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 9:28 AM CDT
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Print| Bulls vs Heat boxscore | Pace (Poss) | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr |
| Chicago | 90.6 (100) | 93.0 | 43.7% | 19.5 | 23.3 | 19.0 |
| Miami | 101.0 | 46.0% | 42.7 | 20.0 | 15.0 |
I think the world has come around on the 'Heat can't win close games' thing by now, but what likely had a role in perpetuating that in the first place was how bizarre it was. In a league where most teams throw out most semblance of play-calling and just rely on their stars to 'make plays', the Heat have 2.5 options (and the best player in the league amongst them) where most teams have one. And the Bulls certainly only have one, so getting into a close game with these guys, even with Derrick Rose, is continually frightening.
The story with the Bulls offense remained the same as it has been the past two games: the entire Heat defense collapsed on Rose, and the rest of the team couldn't help him enough. Rose's pre-game self-hype of being more aggressive was mostly manifested in more jumpers, finishing 3-16 from outside of 10 feet, and 1-9 from three. The 7 turnovers were obviously a killer as well. Whether it was him putting too much on himself or losing trust in his teammates (and both would be understandable), he seemed more willing to put himself in risky situations in the paint.
Incurring more risk was sort of what the Bulls were going for early in the game, and it had a positive effect. They pushed the pace when they had even the slightest opportunity (Carlos Boozer with some ballsy outlet passes), and though it showed that the Bulls aren't exactly a smooth transition team it did at least keep Miami's defense from setting.
As the game went on, however, that seemed to go away, and the Bulls offense once again was rhythm-less. Possessions were consistently slow to develop, passing and movement weren't as crisp, and as much as the Bulls role players were simply disappointing, they also weren't open. The Heat have completely neutralized Kyle Korver in this series, and it really puts Thibodeau in a tough bind when he's 'forced' to pull him for Ronnie Brewer in that 4th quarter. Brewer had one of the few good games of the old bench mob (CJ Watson had a nice 2nd quarter but was matched by Mario Chalmers) but the lack of even creating even the threat of outside shooting plays into how the Heat defend. Korver's 3-point ability was as reliably clutch as Derrick Rose, and to see it diminish to the point of not even being an option anymore hurts tremendously.
Thibs also faced a bad break when it proved that Omer Asik was too hurt to even try to play in the game, limping nearly as soon as his night began. Surprising that with those minutes available that Taj Gibson only received 10 of them, unfortunate as his line looked in the time he was allotted. So it was a heavy-minute night for Noah and Boozer, and while they weren't exactly bad, the interior had to be an area where the Bulls completely dominated and they weren't able to do that. Boozer had his 20 and 10 but that was in over 49 minutes, and he had enough bad/dumb plays on defense to mitigate that production even more: a silly foul in the 1st quarter to put the Heat in the penalty, the flagrant foul in the 2nd half, some really poor help defense on LeBron. Noah did a decent job limiting Chris Bosh (he's going to hit open jumpers when the Bulls collapse on James/Wade, that's unstoppable) and was his high-energy self on the boards, but but wasn't finishing enough to become the scoring help he needs to be on a team that needs it from anywhere.
Again, not bad games from the Bulls frontcourt, but that's an advantage they have to exploit more, as with their bench. The Bulls role player woes have been mentioned, and meanwhile Mike Miller of all people (and all bad thumbs) scored 5 baskets. The Heat one again only went 8-deep but had contributions from all of them, and yet it was the Bulls who started to look fatigued (especially Luol Deng, who deserves special mention for his night) near the end.
It's easy to understand why they'd get to that point, seemingly having to try that much harder to both contain some of the best playmakers in the world on one end (and the constant foul-calls only add to it), and a committed athletic defense on the other. It's then exemplified (and perhaps a bit explanatory) with the lack of late-game execution from Rose and the offense. The Bulls can play this team close, but when it stays close that late it's Miami's advantage. The Bulls have to be feeling some kind of series fatigue as well, and with any odds-analysis when it comes to a 7-game series it's less about the statistical unlikelihood of a comeback: it's that the Bulls aren't the best team in this series.
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One game at a time Bulls, one game at a time!
Win this shit!
Walk the talk, Bulls.
despite how this series has went
If u told me at start of the season the bulls would be in position to win 3 games in a row and get in the finals…I would take it.
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 9:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
A resounding win Game 5, since they'll be at home
a quick stunner in Game 6, and now it’s Game 7, at home, against the Heat who has no bench. DON’T CALL IT A COMEBACK
miami heat who has no bench.
fuck miller ing game 4. fuck haslem in game 2.
Walk the talk, Bulls.
honestly i believe the bulls actually could win 3 in a row
but i sure as hell won’t be expecting it. they better win game 5.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
they will.
i already sacrificed a goat to the gods.
Walk the talk, Bulls.
same
except we use chickens down here
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 25, 2011 9:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
U guys are nuts
maybe u should think in one game incrumemts. This isn’t gonna make u feel good, but Miami is the only team that hasn’t lost a home game yet in the playoffs.
So easy to say isn't it.
I’m a millionaire. Oh wait, let me check my bank account. Nope, no millions. I guess I havnt done enough. Neither have the bulls to beat the heat at Miami.
Feel free to comment here man. You seem reasonable enough.
But realize that there is some serious tension around here right now. Last night was a pretty tough loss so be easy on us. That’s all I’m gonna say.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
Tension?
You can seriously cut it with a knife. I think we can all agree being fans that at some point or another we have all been there, regardless of your alligence. Don’t worry, I’ll go easy.
Cool. Just wanted to warn ya...I've seen people over react before after some tough losses.
No biggie.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
Well
If I’m not mistaken, we were the only team left in the playoffs with no 3 game losing streak in the season until last night. And, the Heat got close wins against us and Boston (Game 5).
I get your point, but you would be saying the same thing if we change positions…Hope is the last thing we got!
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
go travel back to ur own blog or are u the only member
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So he got tired of celebrating by himself
and was confused by the ostrich-head wearing fans and came over here.
Hey guy, they are Bosh fans!
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
who the fuck cares?
bulls almost did it last night despite a 16 FT differential. bite me.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on May 25, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
ha
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
And the Bulls were....
The only team in the league not to lose three straight…in the words of KG “Anything is possible”!
7 for 7.
by Dionysus2.0 on May 25, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Only takes 1 home loss to change that
And we only have 1 more left against them.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
You might have one more
Phinsider HOF C/O 2010
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion. ~Chinese Proverb
Thibs's lack of an offensive scheme (or set of scheme's)
Is what is apparent in this series….
We’ve managed through his incredible D to mask that (even though we’ve looked at times awful offensively this post season) but here’s a team that is almost as good as we are defensively and yet is much better than we are on the other end….
Our lack of doing any real adj on O is killing us.
It is great to see Boozer and Rose run the pick and roll (and the boozer boo birds have been quite since he’s been awesome this series), but why wasn’t Boozer playing more in that game 3 loss? He was rimming out shots, but they were good looks.
I think our only thing is to mix up the Noah-Taj tandem. THe Heat lack size or scoring at the C spot. We need Boozer’s scoring or else we’re totally exposed as a 1 trick pony, so he needs to play 40 plus minutes.
Noah should play 30 minutes, Taj should play 28 minutes (18 at C, and 10 to give Boozer spells at PF) and Boozer should play 38 minutes.
If Korver continues to miss, why not give Butler a shot. He can’t do much, but he is a shooter and should do something.
One thing I have liekd is Bogans this series, but the issue is Bogan’s lack of any real O game is killing us because they double up on Rose and rotate to Rose at every op.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I really have grown to love Bogans
Hes not that bad at shooting 3s. not that good. but not thaaat bad.
his defense is on point – d wade hasnt done much at all
+9 last night.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 25, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
he's played much better in the playoffs than i thought he did in the regular season.
as much as i hate to say this – he should b playing much much more than korver in this playoffs.
and i love korver
by swede2287 on May 25, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I felt the same way this morning.
It made me feel dirty, but it’s true that Korver has been hurting us.
I'm taking solace in the fact that this series has proven that the Bulls are as good as the Heat
Obviously down 3-1 doesn’t really indicate that, but at no point in this series have I felt like the Heat are hands down a better team than the Bulls. I honestly think that this series could as easily be 3-1 in the Bulls favor given a few more fortuitous bounces.
My hope now is just that the Bulls prove that. Don’t give up, push them to 7 games, and if they’re going to win the series, hopefully at least we’ll have shaken their confidence.
It fucking sucks to lose to the Heat, but this is in no way a resounding defeat.
You don't have to be hands down better...
just being marginally better with better execution late in games will do in playoff basketball. Besides, isn’t that the think the heat were being crucified for during the regular season… Not being able to close out games? The good teams always do. The heat have become good (team) during this playoff run.
Heatallica
I wonder have you watched the heat for years, or are you fair weather….hmm.
Perhaps you watched them with Wade in the 2006 finals, but since then hmmm.
Just a thought.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
90% of Heat fans either jumped on in 06, or last July.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 25, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
THey probably jumped on in 06
Left in 08 and returned last July
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Oh and I forgot
THey probably left a bit this year in Dec-early March, just because you know they don’t really care….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Didn't sleep well at all.
Went to bed right after the game went off but kept waking up thinking about the game.
Those last 2 plays (at the end of regulation), I did not like. Both teams are too good defensively to go to two isolation plays like that. You see it didn’t work for the Heat either as James was called for an offensive foul.
I was hoping for more that they do a drive an kick it out as they did in the game in which Deng hit the game winning shot in Chicago back in Feb, against the Heat.
Looked too much like what I see from the Lakers and their watching of Kobe at the end of games, except usually Kobe isn’t guarded by a guy that has him by 5+ inches.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
i didnt sleep well at all
you can only imagine what it was like for Derrick Rose
Same for me. I imagine Derrick tossed and turned all night.
Meanwhile, Thibs just watched film all night.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
Same for me
I kept thinking of how I would have drawn up the last play of regulation. Seriously, I have a problem.
man, I'm heartbroken right now and the only perspective I can use is "one game at a time"
but seriously, that free throw killed me. the step backs hurt me. Rose coulda used the first one, even as a missed attempt, to set up Lebron to drive by him on the next time.
either way, I wish I could turn off Facebook, text messaging, and just about any other social interaction, virtual or otherwise. this is real tough right now.
__…..<\3
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 25, 2011 9:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
yep all the casual fans are annoying to listen to
cuz i know they dont care if they win or lose like i do
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I've had to educate some friends that are casual fans on their misconceptions, only because I consider myself more informed
but this loss will only solidify in their head the notion that they might know more or care more than me, which is totally untrue, but since they cheer for the better team, I have no way of winning that argument.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on May 25, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That was very smart to put LeBron on Rose.
I still hate his guts though.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on May 25, 2011 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
did all of you see sammy sosa cheering for the heat on the sideline?
what a dick
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on May 25, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
prolly the first basketball game hes ever watched
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He can't understand English. Remember his testamony to congess?
He probably thought he was cheering for the Bulls.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on May 25, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
He was at game 3
he looks like Casper? What the he’ll happened to his skin pigmentation?
He takes the white outs seriously.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on May 25, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He looked like such a weirdo
You could hear the TNT guys in the background trying not to crack up at him.
by Brooklyn Bulls on May 25, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He suffered a stroke from a hiccuping fit
leave him alone, he knows not what he does.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
After listening to roses comments
The series is over. I thought it would be over in 6 but now I think it ends Friday. He said “it’s really hard to score. When 6’8” guards 6’2" easily" this doesn’t sound like an MVP on the verge of cranking it up to me.
I really think Thibs needs to throw his playbook and rotations out the window. He has got to put more offensive options on the floor to give Rose more space, no matter how much he values defense.
?
yea, its fuckin hard to score on Lebron…. if you watched Heat games last year you would know what its like going against him.
but my guess is you just started watchin the Heat and have no idea who Rony Seikley is
What?
How is this relevant? Would Rony Seikaley have guarded Derrick? I think there is a difference between sounding humble and sounding demoralized. Derrick sounded demoralized last night after the game, no matter if his comments were taken out of context.
?
What i was saying is that Heatallica prob never watched a heat game before this season… as in Rony Siekley being the first pick ever for the Heat and he prob doesnt know who it is…..
had notthn to do with him guarding rose….
didnt think i needed to explain that
You know nothing about be but
did you even read what I posted on my bandwagon thread. You took the one name that you recognized and ran with it. Talk about taking me out of context. Here are my remarks again that I had posted on a previous thread.
“@T.Moore: what makes heat fans worse than Philly fans and why don’t we deserve a team. I want to understand the logic that all heat fans are bandwagon fans. Just how many hear fans do you personally know to make that judgment? The heat is a really young franchise, like 23 years young. It takes a while to build a strong loyal fan base. I am 36 and grew up going to games at the old Miami arena watching such obscure name like John Sunvold, Roy Sparrow, Pat Cummings, Rony Seikly, Grant Long, and my all time favorite Allan Ogg trying to compete against the C’s. Then came Pat Reily and the Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway era with all those battles against the Knicks, winning division championships only to be bounced usually by the Knicks and the one year we got past them MJ and Scottie killed us. In short, the bandwagon stereotype is bullshit to real fans like me.”
Yeah, I really sound like a guy that started following the heat this year. In fact, depending on your age I could proboubly tell you more about your own team than you know.
glad you could share that with us
but whats funny is that 99% of us here dont give to shits.
Gladd you know a thing or two about your shitty franchise but it sounds like to me you know more about kicking a team when they are down.
for watching so much basketball its funny you can sit here and compare rose to allen iverson.
Thats great you are feeling high and mighty right now after all shitty Heat teams youve had to watch but where do you get off coming on here and trying to rub it in our faces with your obnoxious comments?
and on top of that
the bandwagon stereotype isnt bullshit…
fact of the matter is you have dudes in the front row rocking all white linnen suits with Uggs, a white Sammy Sosa, and an arena which isnt even sold out for the Eastern Conference Finals.
youre whole fan base is full of band wagon fans and really a bunch of dicks – the TNT crew couldnt even film outdoors becuase of the obnoxious fans miami has
by BadaBing on May 25, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
While every fanbase have their boneheads
Even I was suprised that they were like that to the TNT crew.
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Just Charles Barkley
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
But still
it’s classless
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
They're really angry about what Chuck said to them.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
That Miami had whiners?
which is true
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
by T.Moore on May 25, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well some maybe but still he's generalizing all of the Heat fans
and some are so sensitive about it
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
Wait....Heat have fans?
And yes the Heat are whiny babies. Only two things I hate about the Heat are they whine and the “title” celebration.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Title celebration was obv after signing 3 max level guys though...
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt matter
they didnt even play a game yet
Not really.
A healthy Boston team would still have beat the Heat in my mind.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
If we are going to be honest, the Heat are the best team ever
Even the 72-10 Bulls team didn’t have three max guys…
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
thats cuz MJ= those 3 players combined
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take the 97 Bulls over this Heat team in 5 games.
And that only because they lose one after Pippen gets tossed for putting Lebron on his back. Because it had to be done.
Lebron would be in Spo's arms crying after
a couple plays going against Rodman
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
dont forget the verbal abuse he would get from jordan
followed by constantly being put in the post and shotover, powerless to do a thing…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Hahahahah
I just can’t imagine Rodman making the Boshtrich his little bitch…
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
its funny that they dont even show up until 5 mins into the game
when i went to a few playoff games for the bulls i was there before the doors opened. Miami had to start a promotion to get fans to arrive on time and stay til the end. That is incredibly sad. you sign 3 huge FAs and you cant even get ur fans to come to the game. That is hilarious.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Outside the Heat stadium looks like a scene from I Am Legend
everyone was at the beach in bikinis doing coke.
Stern knows where the bodies are (Not at the game, so don’t film outside!)
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't get it, please explain
Where in my comments have I been obnoxious. You are the one that took the time to attack me as a true fan of my team and basketball in general. All I did is defend myself and that makes me obnoxious? If you didn’t give 2 shits than don’t comment and don’t attack me as a fan of my team, regardless of who my team is. Not every franchise is blessed with a team like you had in the Jordan era. That gives you no right to crap on my teams history.
it gives me every right when you come on to this website after the heat go up 3-1
and say Derrick rose is the next Allen Iverson… the series is over…. etc..
all im doing is throwin stuff back at you
there is a reason why there are blogs for each individual team
do us all a favor and go to yours. No one cares about ur opinion, we are bulls fans we are not here to pay respects to ur team.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
...
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It ends on Friday? Game 5 is on Thursday.
Are all Heat fans this clueless about when games start? If so, that would explain a lot.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
by bryield on May 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well it's Friday here in our country
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
Ok...
But, have you seen this?
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
where man? I can see "on Thursday night"
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
We always overreact after every loss (or win)
Overall, there is not that much difference between the two teams. We have some strengths and weaknesses and so do they. One made shot would have changed the narrative.
Right now the a priori odds of winning the series are low. But just win the next home game, and the odds improve considerably. It’s still winnable.
Totally depressed right now
We had this game at the end of regulation. Rose’s shot selection was awful. In particular, the last shot in regulation was inexcusable. I really hope that’s not what Thibs drew up in the huddle. If so, his playbook must have been secretly swapped for VDN’s. Go to the hole in that situation. Put it on the defense to make a play or the refs to make a call. Rose’s shot was off all night, making the play much worse, especially against a taller defender.
by Stay Chisel on May 25, 2011 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Some thoughts now that I've calmed down.
1) Rose may be the MVP. But LeBron is the best player. It sucks but it’s true. However, Rose is still the 2nd best player in this series (Bosh is not – he’s just the beneficiary of us focusing so hard on Bron and Wade). I think what bothers me most is that we want Rose to be Jordan and he just isn’t. He isn’t even close. He’s a 22 year old kid who’s oftentimes sloppy with the ball. And when Lebron James is guarding him, he’s basically fucked.
2) Kyle Korver was the big bomb pick-up of the season. I was never sold on Korver even from the beginning. He missed all those shots in the first third of the season, then we gave him way too much credit when he had a mini-hot streak. The truth is, that was the only time he played well, and at a time when we needed to depend on offense, any offense, our sharpshooter, the guy we brought in to do one thing, score, was MIA. He needs to be let go immediately after this season. Kyle Korver is a worthless disappointing shitty player.
3) Thibs is kind of an idiot. I’ve always hated stubborn people who are so wrapped up in their own philosophies they can’t see the forest through the trees. Thibs not acknowledging that offense is a problem is killing him in this series. Sure we don’t have the horses to look like the Heat on offense. But even with that, there’s no question we often look confused at the offensive end. This is directly attributable to Thibs not putting any emphasis on offense with his players.
4) Now for some good news. This may sound crazy, but the truth is, the Bulls only have to win one away game to win this series. Just ONE away game. That’s not impossible by any means. It will be hard, don’t get me wrong, but it’s far from impossible. For those saying, “You can’t beat a team like the Heat 3 times in a row,” I say that’s bullshit. Just like I knew this “The Bulls haven’t lost 3 games in a row all year” stat was bullshit. Those kind of stats are meaningless in the playoffs. Each game is its own game, and assuming we take care of our job at home, we still have a chance, however slim.
by wilsoneads on May 25, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
i dont think korver is a shitty player, i think we just use him in a shitty way
thibs forces him to be like ray allen and he isnt athletic enough.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and one more thing.
Until game 7, the Bulls are a team playing with NOTHING TO LOSE. Everyone’s already counted them out. That’s dangerous when you can play with that kind of freedom.
I seem to remember another team in another sport that was once down 3-1 and everyone counted them out. You may remember that team had to face 2 of the best pitchers in baseball to win 2 of those 3 games, something the experts said was impossible. That team was the Florida Marlins. Yet they pulled off the impossible. Why can’t the Bulls?
I’d rate this series as:
1. Lebron (though I do think in 3 years Rose can be as good, he’s pretty awesome already)
2. Wade. Not a surprise, but Wade is still 1b to Lebron’s 1A. Even though Wade’s game hasn’t blown up, he’s capable of doing anything regardless of the game to close it out.
3. Rose. I think Rose is also the 3rd best player overall in the league….
Then a nice solid gap.
then
4. Bosh is a push over Boozer
5. Boozer’s back to being Boozer. His D has been solid actually (because he plays decent man D especially when his O game rolls, and his O game is more fluid than Bosh’s, but he doesn’t have the 2 best players in the game beside him on the court).
6. Deng-having a great year
7. Noah. Not having a great consistent series, but yesterday proving his worth when his game is on.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I like Deng's game for his consistency
And his ability to play both ends (better defensively by far than Bosh or Boozer), but he can’t score or grab the boards of a Boozer, or score with the array of moves of a Bosh, so he’s just a bit behind them.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
What arrays?
All I’ve seen from Bosh is jump shots and drives that result in fouls…I’ll have Deng over Bosh all day
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Bosh has for one hting averaged
More than 20 points 5 seasons, and his career average is 20.0 ppg on 14 FGA. Deng’s a career 16 PPG on 13.3 FGA.
Bosh might not have a post game, but he’s got a lot of jump shot moves, and can draw contact, and score. Always has, always can.
He’s far more effective than Deng on O.
Bosh is a much better #2 man than Deng, and a far better #3 man than Deng.
But if you had two great all league #1’s like the Heat do, you might be better served with a Deng over a Bosh bceause Dengs got more of the all around game and thus can be effective if he doesn’t need to score/touch the ball.
But on our team with Rose, Bosh and Boozer are better #2’s because they can score in a variety of ways than Deng as our #2 man.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
If he has Wade and Lebron yes
Because he has 2 guys that can be all around great players.
If he has 1 of those guys, then he’d probably go with Bosh or Boozer over Deng (I know I would).
Defense keeps you in any game, but offense wins the games. We are missing O at the 2, 3, 5 and when we sit Boozer 4 spots.
Deng’s a good O player I suppose, but he’s rarely a threat to give you 25-30 pts or more, so he’s hardly one you hone your D on.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
How shocking, Wade plays like complete shit yet BaBers seem to have a consistent hard-on for the guy.
Bosh has been outperforming him by a mile.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm shocked how poorly Wade has played in this series
Bosh has played so well that I think Bulls really should consider sending extra men at him….
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not shocked about wade
Bogans and Brewer are playing great D
Jamal Crawford said after game 1 those guys made their lives a living hell
Something about a
Finals MVP, 26 career PER guy, those 3 key blocks in the OT, and the fact that he’s still the most proven Heat member makes you think, yeah he’s worth that.
Bosh is outperforming him in this series sure, but Wade > Bosh.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Don't usually post, but
I had to chime in. It’s not fair to take those Rose quotes out of context. What about these:
"Tonight definitely was on me. It really was my fault, but I’m going to learn from it. It’s not over. We still have games to play. We’ve just got to stay positive. They are beatable. … If you want to be great, you’re going to want pressure. My teammates have confidence in me. Tonight was definitely a tough night. You’ve just got to find a way to finish the game in the fourth quarter."
by morlium on May 25, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
by point.shave on May 25, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
but you took the comments out of context. the comment above illustrates that.
by point.shave on May 25, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It was not intentional
but he did saywhat he said. I heard it first on The Heard and then looked up the exact quotes. It is what it is but it’s not inaccurate.
they almost did...
but it certainly doesn’t help.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
While out scoring that same team in the paint
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Clippers face that disparity on a nightly basis, believe me I know how frustrating it can be.
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by Newton Pham on May 25, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I know that feeling
I'm a New Yorker born and bred. I support my Jets, Mets, Red Storm and Islanders. I also love my out-of-state Bulls, Clippers, Cowboys & Fighting Irish.
I asked in a previous thread
the points in paint difference was something like 44 -24 in favor of the bulls. i haven’t heard many national guys pointing out any foul discrepancy – can anyone provide an explanation? maybe heat just better at not fouling in paint? I have a hard time believing that, though.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I can deal with them being better at not fouling in the paint
But not being so good to get a +16 on fts
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
yeah it obviously didnt cost them the game
the bulls had several shots to win, but it does feel like a pretty significant variance, and i really hate to take the homeristic refs suck stance
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Yeah, that's proof right there that the NBA is retarded
I’m not gonna go as far as to say “fixed”, because that talk is kinda silly. But it’s definitely a stupid fucking sport that I really shouldn’t be getting this worked up over. There’s no way in hell that team should have gotten 16 more free throws than us last night. We drove the ball a ton. Just as much as they did.
The Playoffs: That magical time of year when I become a fan of every team that Lebron James isn't playing for.
by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If not more than they did
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Elias Sports Bureau says that a NBA teams leading 3-1 win 96% of the time...
=)
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 10:43 AM CDT reply actions
Elias Sports Bureau says
that 100% of the time, the more arrogant the team, the more fun it is to watch them fall.
who cares, they said mavs had a .07 chance of winning that game when they were down 10+ pts with 5mins
it means nothing. We had a 1.9% chance of landing Rose, look how that turned out.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
9.8
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
no, it would never have said anything of the sort
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And you just found it worth your time to respond to a joke comment?
by Stacey_Is_King on May 25, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
meh, it was quick
and people dont understand probabilities.
So, yep.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
1.7% chance to land D. Rose.
Can’t lose hope yet.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I am putting together my disappointed Bulls fan music mix
Any suggestions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZPzEHRY54Y
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBjTZqYSJTI
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on May 25, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
dammit
it took me a week to get that song out of my fucking head, WHY DID NO ONE WARN ME!!!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I miss MVP Rose
The big six. Lebron, Bosh, Wade, and six refs……..
I haven’t seen the Bulls give up so I still have hope, and long as their is no quit. Limit the turnovers and we win.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
oops and 3 refs
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Some thoughts
1) The Bulls need Kurt Thomas and Omer Asik. Noah has been awful. I know he is asked to do alot, but could he just have one game where he shoots 50% or higher?! Seriously! He has not finished well inside at all and when Boozer is on the bench, tis is huge.
2) Derrick needs to not turn the ball over and not try to do everything himself. I honestly believe that if Rose would simply not turn the ball over and take less difficult shots, the Bulls would be in better shape. I know the scoring burden is on him, but in the end, if nobody else steps up, the Bulls are not going to win anyway.
3) Bulls need to use defensive lineups with a lead. Boozer should not be on the court when the Bulls have a 6 point lead or greater. Seriously, that is the time to punish the Heat with our defense. I think the Bulls were up 8 and Boozer and Korver were on the floor. We don’t need points, we need stops!
4) Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever have Boozer and Korver out on the floor at the same time. Heck, never have Korver out their period. I’d rather pray that Brewer will knowck down a three (like he did last night) than watch KK defend the Heat. Save him for Dallas should we get there.
I am still picking Bulls in 7. I may even put some money on it. I truly believe that the Bulls play will overcome the Heat in the long haul.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Noah has been awful at finishing at the rim, his defense has been fantastic all series long.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
not to mention his passing in game 4
some of his steals led to him running the break and setting up teammates. he also made several good reads and passes after he flashed to the key after the heat showed a double on rose.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Asik's done man.
Won’t play again until next season, if there is one. I thought Kurt should have been inserted tho, Boozer played far too many minutes.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
Rose played kinda shitty last nite
But those 3 dunks he had were nice. Stacey’s head would have exploded on the anthony slam.
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 11:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
don't you just love it how the everybody loves the LeBron dunk where Luol purposely gets out of the way
and completely ignore the dunk on Anthony.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
do you
really like lexmark.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It's amazing that nobody in the national media is talking about the refs.
The playing field has shifted so much that even completely one-sided officiating isn’t talked about, outside of the city that’s being jobbed. The rest of the basketball world doesn’t even blink an eye anymore. It’s expected. We even have to watch Lebron James – that colossal and vintage fuck – elaborate sham rage every time he’s called for a violation. Which is, of course, a tithe on the dozens of travels, fouls and flops for which he gets “the benefit of the doubt” throughout the game.
A benefit of the doubt our MVP hasn’t once received in this series.
The Bulls are a flawed team – no second guy that can get his own shot, too many one-way players, and a bench that’s just vanished during the season’s most critical juncture. But officiating has played a major role in this series. It sucks. My sincerest hope is for LBJ to blow all four cruciates, Wade to blow a meniscus, and Bosh to blow himself.
Alright. I don’t hope that. But it certainly felt good to write.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Funny
Game 1, they were decent and kept themselves out of it.
Games 2-4 were a 180 of that.
And no im NOT blaming the refs for us losing cause the Bulls played like boneheads. But its clear that the refs sucked ass since game 1. Fucked up thing is i expected shitty reffing and was shocked that it didnt happen in game 1
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
I try to be as objective as possible
I think with the same refs we had in Game 1, we would’ve lost Game 2 and 3. But not yesterday. That wasn’t a flagrant – it was a really hard foul, but the way Bosh was heading to the basket, there was no risk of getting hit. And the 24 second violation, the ball went out with a second remaining. And, of course, LeBron 4 steps without dribbling (he even traveled with 35 seconds remaining in OT and we down by only 4).
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah that shot clock thing was pretty annoying
i was wondering if anyone else noticed that. the shotclock ran down clearly after it went out of bounds. total bullshit.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i think its an automatic fine
you see most broadcasters resort to the line “it was a tough call but i believe the right one” on iffy calls. I think the national media is not allowed to call out refs cuz it adds to the diminishing respect for the officials, local media outlets though are somewhat free from such ruling it seems though. Maybe cuz local medias are supposed to be homers while nationals are supposed to be as neutral as the refs….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on May 25, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
ive heard them say the call was wrong or a bad call.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls lose in OT to the Heat all of sudden they suck
Thibs mad some poor choices…Derrick made poor choices…but have some damn perspective. The fact that they are battling the Heat pretty damn well in the ECF is shocking considering where they cam from. Both Thibs and Rose are good at their damn jobs even if they aren’t perfect. And, the Heat have arguably the two best players in the league on their team along with another all-star. They are a good team. So as heartbreaking as that loss was, I’m not going to suddenly decide the Bulls are teh suck.
well the refs did call the charge on bron at the end of regulation
That was shocking.
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 11:23 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thats why when someone says the refs are biased toward the heat just aren't that educated on the game of basketball...
Right now its just hard work on defense and being overmatched on offense.
D-Rose is amazing and look forward to seeing what he can do next year, but he just doesn’t have the help this season to win it against the Miami Heat.
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't know, that looked like a pretty blatant charge
to me. Its only amazing because you never think they would make that call against Lebron at that time. But he basically ran over Brewer.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Any call against lebron
is usually shocking, (cause you think it will never happen)
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
its also shocking when ever they call traveling on him
tho pretty sure he always does it
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Its not even just lebron anymore
Bosh or Wade and everyone else not name Taj or Jo gets won’t get called for a travel. Might as well take that rule outta the rulebook. When my mother can see a dude travel on TV while the ref is RIGHT THERE not calling it, just get rid of the rule now…
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
I agree...
I would just modify the rule tho to include an extra step myself.
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
actually lets just remove dribbling altogether
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Might as well be slamball
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
that could have easily been a no call
a bad one but if the refs were biased, they would have let the charge on lebron go
after they gave that foul to lebron when Deng "charged" in to him
(from the side apparently) they had to call that. You can’t just run someone over at the top of the key to get yourself an open shot. He didn’t even attempt to make a move, he just bowled him over.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Wade did the same thing
a few plays before that and they didn’t call it. As blatant as it was, I was still shocked that they actually called it on Lebron.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Lebron looked around like
do you know who I am?
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ive tried every superstition
but i guess this isnt about superstition anymore, (yea…never was) so now i finally feel somewhat free of the burden of being a fan that has some supernatural impact on the success of the team, this is a good thing, but also a bad thing, cuz now it means its all on this team to come out and win…and thats a scarier thought i think.
I dont see us winning the series, i think theres way too much against us, and i dont want to get my own hopes up, but i think we can win game 5, and god dammit they should. Id also like to win game 6 as well just to take that stupid heat streak away from them, but its probably not going to happen. Just win game 5, and ill be content with this post season…
I wished we couldve ended the evil that is the heat, and maybe we will next season, but the heat truly seem like the better team, talent wise. It sucks, but its hard to deny it
This series despite how down i feel, has been pretty awesome though, its nice to know we can hang with the big boys, for the first time in the last two decades, i can truly feel we are just ONE piece away….and thats pretty awesome
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Since Game 1 I had a pic of Wade getting slammed by Taj and the Bulls haven't won since
so I took it off hoping they may get a win tomorrow…can’t hurt at this piont.
I met Rod Strickland and he ain't play like no Derrick Rose - Charles Barkley
by Bullsfansince88 on May 25, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Now, what do the geniuses of BaB want? Thibs went to CJ/Rose, he ran off-ball shit dozens of time, they put Noah and Boozer in the high post.
None of it mattered in the 4th quarter because Derrick Rose has not had a good game since the Hawks series. His teammates are all good but none of them are explosive finishers inside, our best outside shooter is in a giant slump, and now Asik is lost for the series. We thought we could beat Miami based on rebounding and depth, but Mike Miller and Haslem have basically neutralized Chicago’s biggest strengths.
I think Haslem has really hurt the bulls
We knew going into the series the Bulls had to dominate the interior and they havn’t been able to do that.
Miller getting hot in the 4th I think was more of a dagger
he was 0-2 in 3 games and started hitting like crazy in the 4th.
Haslem had that same effect coming off the bench. Bulls need Korver to get hot.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's much he can do.
You could try playing Thomas more to get his jump shot in there, but Thibs is probably right that his mobility on D is a problem versus the Heat.
The only change that could really help and could feasibly happen by next game is if Korver hits some shots. The Game 1 pick an pop with Korver and Rose was an awesome idea I thought but they can’t run it with the way Korver is playing.
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
try kurt, at least he can knock off wades head if we still lose
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
im hurting right now fellas
but hats off to MIA, they played good..esp with the homecourt fouls
The NBA Playoffs - always the best reminder why Joakim Noah is my fav Bull
Wish we can get homecourt fouls
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
or MVP fouls
ive never been a fan of those, but if there gonna give MIA all of em, atleast give rose them. Booz sucks, but he deserved alot yest too
The NBA Playoffs - always the best reminder why Joakim Noah is my fav Bull
This Bulls team needs to be like the Bad Boy Pistons teams
Rose needs a Joe Dumars starter who can play tough D, handle the point, create, and score from the perimeter, a Vinnie “the Microwave” Johnson perimeter scorer off the bench, and tandem of Dennis Rodman, Rick Mahorn, and John Sally to provide athleticism, physical play and multiple looks on defense off the bench.
I’m not quitting on the Bulls, but feel that the complexion or make up of the Bulls can be tweaked to be even better for next year.
by MCREW on May 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Activate Kurt "Clutch 'Bows" Thomas
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
so who takes asiks roster spot?
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 11:58 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
he means who will be activated
KT is already active
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
*shutter*
I would think big for big.
… and im not even going to mention his name
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Very disappointing loss to say the least
They did a good job of trying to push the ball and get more pace. The FT disparity and our horrible TO’s kept Miami in this game. There were just so many wasted possessions. This was the one game where everybody played pretty well but Derrick. In this game we needed him to at least be solid and take care of the ball. He played one of his worst games at the worst possible time and it was not just due to good defense on him. A lot of that was just terrible decision making. I would feel a lot better about our chances of beating this team if he didn’t look so defeated and lost last night.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Is it weird to say that Asik's my favorite Bull player? (outside of Rose of course)
Sad that he is done for the year =(
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
sometimes i think this is all to much to soon for rose.
He would be a senior in college if he stayed. He’s playing like he did against boston in his first playoff. A flash of brilliance, then he would disappear. He still has a lot to learn but dominated the league with his raw speed and athletics. He is the youngest mvp and that is a hell of a start to a promising career. If he stays healthy and keeps refining his game each summer he may well win more mvp’s, championships and a hall of fame nod. But jordan raised the bar so high that it hurts to see d-rose struggle under the spotlight. Oh well his dunk was number one on sportcenter top ten if that’s any consolidation.
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 12:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I like how when he plays good, he's the best player in the league, and unstoppable
but when he plays like shit, he’s either hurt, too young, or his teammates suck. He’s been in the league three years. He’s had plenty of experience. The Heat are just a little better at the moment, and he’s compounded things by making terrible decisions
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like how when people make credible arguments for his poor play
you tear them down while repeating almost the exact same thing they said but instead attributing it to some type of will power or intelligence. Yes we know he played poorly. People are just offering up WHY he played poorly.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that's obviously because I don't think they're credible
I’m not trying to be a jerk about it, it’s just the way I feel. The same people that are saying he’s too young now, are the one’s that think he should’ve been the MVP. You can’t have it both ways.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes you can.
Shit, Lebron was MVP the last 2 years and crapped out against Boston in the 2nd round last year and Orlando the year before. Lebron shot 35% in his 3rd year against San Antonio when they were eliminated. Unless you don’t believe he will get better, you can definitely say – He is young and he will improve. Why couldn’t you say that? Your argument doesn’t make sense.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I have said that.
It’s not like I think this is the best he’ll ever be. Not by a long shot.
The difference between him and Lebron , is that even when Lebron’s team got beat, he was still really good, and clearly the best player on the floor. Or at the very least, he was never the reason they lost. For the most part, Derrick has been the reason we’re losing these games. That was an all-time bad game, in a must-win situation yesterday. No excuses. Not too young, not bad teammates, not hurt, just bad.
Also, when Lebron did play like shit, people were most definitely all over him.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like how you get on the Boozer haters (fyi: I'm not one of them)
for blaming losses entirely on Boozer, yet you do the same for Rose.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
I'm equal opportunity
When Boozer sucks, I’m on his ass too. I don’t limit my anger only to players not named Rose (like most people here). The bottom line is that, other than injuries, Boozer has been a positive. He carried us for stretches of the season, has brought exactly what we thought he would when we signed him for the most part, and for the past two games, he’s been our best player. The hate is ridiculously over the top. Just like the MVP, he’s capable of having some bad games too. He deserves to be called out for them, but so does Derrick.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
for the past two games, he’s been our best player.
On which end of the floor? He’s been atrocious on defense, and don’t give me the whole “that’s not what we brought him here for” line, because his ineptitude on defense often (not always) cancels out his production on offense.
But regarding Derrick, I think it’s fine to call him out for playing poorly, but it is wildly unfair to blame these losses (as you do above) completely on him.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
Well, last night's loss was completely on him.
Sorry, but it was.
As for Boozer, why do we get to balst him for his shortcomings on defense (even though we’re still playing overall great defense), while nobody rips Noah for being pretty dreadful on offense.
Boozer at least rips down a ton of defensive boards, which is a major component of playing great defense.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think plenty of folks around here
have both criticized Noah for not finishing strong around the rim as well as praised him for his interior passing.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
You guys know he is nailing it right on the money?
Noah is terrible offensively. Yes Boozer is bad defensively, but if you in Gibson you still would lose. It would just be 78-70 instead. Yet Rose is not shooting, not passing, not defending, and not closing.
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He should be serious
Boozer’s been great the last two games.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Boozer's been nowhere near our best player.
For the series, I’d say Deng or Noah and that’s kind of indicative of why they’re down 3-1.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng is the one other player that I think has a case
Not sure how you can say Noah. He might not even be our best Center for the series. The two guys that have impressed me most are Lu and Brewer. Brewer is seriously making me rethink how much we need a shooting guard (if the guy we acquire isn’t a flat out stud)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
losing noah last night to fatigue
was a huge reason why we lost, while hes in there our defense is great, put him in foul trouble, get him tired…and you saw the affects in overtime…
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Boozer probably has been our best player this series
but really everybody have been up and down this series.
his defense has still been terrible.
he has been getting more steals and deflections, but his pick and roll defense was another reason the bulls loss besides D. Rose inability to close out the game.
Let me just type this out to reinforce the awfulness:
8/27. 7 turnovers. Two missed shots, and one missed free throw in the final 50 seconds. No points in overtime.
If Westbrook had that game, I would have had a party at my house and laughed my ass off the whole time. If you’re the MVP of the league, you can’t have that game, in that situation, and not expect to get heat for it.
And I don’t mean to come off as angry at Derrick. To be honest, it hurts more than anything. I know he didn’t want this, and he’s trying his hardest, but that fucking sucked. We lost because of him.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In the NBA, the team's best player will get most of the credit in wins but will get most of the blame for losses.
Rose will be the blame if the Bulls lose the series, and that’s fine. But its up to Rose, his teammates, and Bulls executives to learn from its setbacks and be better next year.
Bulls fans criticise Rose justly or unjustly becuase we care deeply for the guy and know that Rose has the tools to be one of the best. MJ got a lot of criticism justly or unjustly before winning a title. Now its Roses turn.
by MCREW on May 25, 2011 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
his teammates are getting the blame.
Saying he has no help. It is not like he Rose is dropping 42 8 8 like leBron did or putting up 30 and 17 like Dwight did this year against the Hawks. They literally had no help from their team. Rose is not helping his team. And yet the media is blaming everyone else. Two months ago the bulls had talent to win a title, now they don’t?? Media. Bulls, to my surprise, actually do have the talent. Rose is not playing good at all in this series.
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Rose is being criticized plenty
I’m reading report after report on the struggles of Rose. You want them to burn his picture in effigy? And you made your point like 100 times – Rose is not playing good in this series. We get it. Thanks. We don’t need a 2nd JBJ to remind us of that. Especially one who is bitter about Orlando’s suck.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no kidding, including the very post being commented on
it’s a good rule when someone starts out with ’I’m not seeing anything about…’ , it’ll be something stupid.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
so who cares what the media says
rose acknowledges that its him more than his team mates, to me thats more important than what the media thinks.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
So not only do you lack any real insight about the Bulls, you apparently can't read.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Mainstream media is attacking Boozer mostly
And now are saying Deng is not that good. When last week he was the most underrated non-All Star. That is what I am saying.
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could you link to one of these articles?
Boozer deserves the criticism he has gotten. Up until Game 3, he had been useless on both ends of the floor.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No he wasn't
In 2006, LeBron James was eliminated from the playoffs when the Pistons held him to 44.2 percent shooting in the series. In 2007, the Cavaliers were swept out of the Finals when the Spurs held James to just 35.6 percent shooting in the series. In 2008, the Celtics beat the Cavaliers by holding James to 35.5 percent shooting in the series. In 2010 (LeBron was fantastic in the 2009 Eastern Conference finals), the Celtics eliminated the Cavaliers as James shot 44.7 percent in the series and a combined 11-for-34 in Games 5 and 6.
That is 2 series sub 40% shooting and a game 5 and 6 LAST SEASON where he shot 33%.
People may have been all over Lebron when he played like shit, but I don’t why you have to lay down with dumbshits to prove a point. People overreacted and criticized Lebron too much for his poor play so you are determined to make the same case with Rose…. Good point.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, because shooting percentage tells the whoe story
Come on man, you of all people are smarter than that. You have to bring a lot more than just his shooting percentage to tell me he was bad. He was probably also was near a triple double every night, played great defense, and took 100 free throws in each series. Rose has been terrible all around (other than a few amazing dunks)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
So you are telling me that if Rose shot 48% from the field
you would still be bitching. Riiiiiiiiight. I’m not going to go through his box scores, I’m guessing he had quite a few turnovers in those series as well. You just want to be pissy. Go ahead, be pissy.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah seriously Juicebox we get it, the man has been having a bad series
stfu already dude, it is annoying, he is the reason we are in the conference finals anyway. Rose has been performing pretty badly and this is where his teammates should really have his back and relieve pressure off of him.
he needs consistent shooters.
whether it be a 2 guard, or even a shooting big to bail him out at the end of a possession. Far too many times he gets the ball back with 5 seconds let and the defense closes on him.
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please don't take this as trolling. It is not meant to.
But where is Derrick Rose? I know everyone is blaming everyone else on the team, but Boozer again posted a 20 10 game. Shot 50% from the field. Deng shot 50% from the field and dropped 20. Rose has been terrible this series. I know the Heat are doing everything they can to stop him, but he is playing terrible. Yet his teammates are taking the blame from the media. Rose is being upfront and blaming himself, but he has failed his teammates these last 3 games. Please do not take it as trolling. I am actually trying to defend the Bulls teammates. Boozer had a bad game I know, but he has played fantastic last two games.
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Don't worry about Rose
If anything he’s gonna use this to get better. His teammates have confidence in him to take them shots, the coaching staff has trust in him. Where, at the end of the games, maybe he has to be more aggressive, but he’s not gonna lose his confidence. If they give him the shot, he’s gonna take it.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But he is never going to be able to get a shot off against LeBron. And that is who you figure to be playing in the East playoffs. Jordan didn’t always take the shot. It is easier for a Korver or Deng to get his shot off. That is how Orlando would beat Cleveland before. LeBron had to guard either Turk or Lewis, and we just got the ball to whoever he was not guarding. I know Wade is probably guarding one of them but that still leaves Korver open. Or Deng open if Wade covers Korver.
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worry about Atl
The idea that Rose will never be able to get a shot off against Lebron is ludicrous. He has hit shots on Lebron before this series – this isn’t the first time they have played against one another. His jumper is in the tank right now, but when it comes back, Lebron won’t be able to play off of him 4ft.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He never had a jumper. That is the thing.
And obviously Orlando does not have to woory about Atlanta since we already were eliminated. Fishing has been fun. Just making a point that it will be hard for Rose to score on LeBron since he has not done it all season. I think he is shooting under 20% against him. Just making a basketball observation.
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He shot 49% from the field in his 1st 2 years
he hit the midrange jumper consistently before this year. Look it up. You don’t know what you are talking about. I
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta back you up on this one
I think he was like the best mid-range jump shooter in the league last year. It was probably one of his biggest strengths, considering he didn’t get to the free throw line all that often at the time. Ever since he tried to move his range back to beyond three, that shot has suffered a little bit
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
His 3 point shot has been terrible. Now he just needs to trim them down some. Does not need to be taking 5 a game now.
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You are wrong to say that he never had a jumper bro. C'mon man
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Here's the thing, you know next to nothing about Derrick Rose's game.
You sound like Mark Jackson. Maybe watch a few Bulls games, or just be quiet and sit in the corner.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh ok.
I have not been watching the Bulls you are right. The Heat are playing Northwestern. I thought something was wrong.
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You must be watching something else if after 3 seasons you come to the conclusion Derrick Rose doesn't have a jumper.
That’s like saying Dwight Howard has no post game, it’s utterly ignorant.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I do think he lost it since January
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a difference between shooting poorly and acting like he's Rajon Rondo out there.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Never said he was Rondo like.
He has just been inconsistent with his jump shot the second half of the season. Rondo has no jumpshot. Rose is just inconsistent. It will get better with age. He developed one faster than Kobe and LeBron did. Two or three more offseasons and it will be fine.
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so what ur saying
rose will have 2 or 3 more seasons of stealing the mvp from dwight howard….
EXCELLENT!!!
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by piccolomair on May 25, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
Very funny. But sadly true. However if Dwight played for LA, he probably wins the MVP. You know because Simmons could watch him every day and finally appreciate him. So could Bucher.
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Well when he starts playing in LA
we can judge that for ourselves.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
relly don't think he goes there.
To play for Mike Brown? Yeesh. I have no idea what he is gonna do. He hates cold weather, so New York/New Jersey do not make sense. Dallas seems like place that makes sense, in my mind, for him. He could play with Dirk, big market, weather, no state tax.
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or maybe because if with la
his team might not be a 4th seed, possibly
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
You seen the Lakers lately?
Not looking so good. They might be the 4th seed next year. So nothing would change.
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im talking this year.....
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
If you're talking about his 3PT shot,
I’m not sure he ever really had it. He’s obviously improved to that department, but he only had one month where he shot better than 34.3%. However, we all know about his countless end of quarter heaves beyond the arch, so his percentage suffers a bit and misrepresents his skill. I’m comfortable with saying that he’s probably a 36-37% 3PT shooter. Thats pretty solid, but nothing special, at least nothing to warrant his huge number of attempts from there, but I digress.
His jumper is fine, I just that for down the stretch he was either shooting threes or driving for floaters, layups or dunks, he wasn’t shooting a lot of the inbetween stuff. So we saw him miss a lot of threes and since those are pretty much the only jumpers he shot, we assumed his jumper got worse. In reality, I think he has a damn good mid-range game, he just doesn’t showcase it enough.
I think he is a 33-34% 3pts shooter
I don’t think the numbers are lying. Hopefully he gets up to 36-38% next year.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Feb shooting%
I rounded up
24%,45%, 52%,38%, 47%, 38%, 41%, 38%, 35% 41% 55% 55% 27% 53% 50%38%.
3pt%
0,0,0,33,67,22,46,29,0,25,50,75,0,0,0,44.
Stop blaming the team, Deng is playing pretty solid this series. Boozer had one really terrible game. You knew he was terrible defensively when you signed him. Boozer is dropping 20 10 the last two games. Stop protecting Rose. He is having a terrible series. Deng and Boozer stepped up last two games. Just calling it like I see it. And no I am not trolling. T Moore would agree.
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So if a player's shooting percentage is down, they are terrible?
All other factors are intangible to you and should not matter?
This is a debate on whether he can shoot or not.
His intangbles are off the charts. His shooting is not. Simply put.
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To quote you a little ways down,
There is no other way to put it. Rose has been terrible.
Absolute statements like this make it sound like you believe Rose is performing badly in this series in total, not just in his shooting. Also, it makes it sound like his lower shooting percentage is happening in a vacuum. How has Bogan’s shot been? How about Korver? I could mention tons of other factors but my point remains that the scope you seem to view Rose in comes across as very narrow.
That is still deflecting from Rose.
Bogans was never good. I thought everyone except Thib’s knew this. Korver has been terrible. But Korver is not making or breaking this series. A game or two maybe. But not the series. The Bulls go as far as Rose, Deng, Boozer, and Noah take them.
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Paying attention to any factors other then the shooting percentage of one player is deflecting?
Do you really need me to list the number of other factors that contribute to Rose being a great player that aren’t shooting percentage, or that could contribute to his lower shooting percentage that aren’t all on him? It’s one indicator of one player in a team game. I find it hard to believe that you view basketball through such a narrow scope. If shooting percentage was everything, Toronto, Phoenix and Utah, all of which had top ten FG% this season, would be in the playoffs.
Did I say Rose was not great?
He is. He is having a terrible series though.
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yea but
uve been pretty adamant on the magic blog that u were rooting against the bulls cuz u hate derrick rose…so yea…ur just as biased as us rose fans, just on the other side of the spectrum….
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I hate Rose because of Ric Bucher.
I hate the Bulls because I think they are overrated. However they supporting cast has played better than I thought they were capable of. Rose is failing his teammates. Rose is great. He is just not as great as some people make him out to be. Best player in the game??? Come on now.
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Why are you even here?
I don’t understand the fascination with other team’s fans coming over here to talk shit. Especially when their team is no longer in the playoffs.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
by Dash2112 on May 25, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
c'mon man, you really have to ask?
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not talking trash about the team.
Seriously. I was never impressed with the Bulls. But I am starting to. I wake up to Mike and Mike, SC, Fox Sports, NBA TV and they all say Rose needs help. I find it unfair that he is getting preferential treatment. I get it he is humble. But to be annointed best PG, best player, MVP this thing that thing, when last I checked LeBron James, Dwight Howard, and Chris Paul are still in this league is absurd. Also as much as I dislike the Bulls and glad that they are losing, I also find it unfair that the same media is now saying he doesn’t have the teammates to win a title. All season they did but now they don’t. Derrick is untouchable. LeBron performed this bad in the playoffs, he was called a quitter. Derrick Rose has no help. Wait what? I also find it interesting that one of your own pollsters is blaming Rose. I wouldn’t go as far as saying he is basically Monta Ellis, but Rose seems to be getting a free pass.
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Lebron was called a quitter b/c
he actually quit. And people said Lebron had no help for years.
Lebron really didn’t start to get a great deal of criticism until the last 3 seasons – before that he got passes. Really it all began when he walked off the court without congratulating the Magic. Than he quit against the Celtics. And than he did the decision. If Rose has 3 events like that, he will be criticized. But since you are so concerned about the media perception of Rose, why don’t you talk to someone, I don’t know, in the fucking media.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't exactly point to JBJ and dakoose at the voices of reason.
I was about to argue your points, but I realized that I would be feeding your weird interest in this situation.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
aside from bucher who calls rose the best in the game?
again, rose didnt get the mvp cuz hes teh best player in the game, but because he was more like the “player of the year” he made headlines, he led his team to the best record, he improved drastically as a player, he rose above expectations after expectations, thats why he got the mvp. Its u and ur kin that believe that the mvp means best player, and ur hatred stems from that (and yes, bucher annoys even me with his love of rose sometimes…its insulting towards us bulls fans if u ask me)
The thing is ur first line is what sets ur bias, no matter how much logic u want to use in ur thoughts, ur looking at rose through that light regardless. Itd be easier to take ur thoughts seriously if u were just as objective regarding dwight howard and the magic, or any other player in the league. U arent…ur bias is just as bad as the bias of those rose lovers u hate so much….
u use numbers as if that proves ure being objective, but there are plenty of numbers that work for rose as they do against him, u just choose to qualify those that work for rose as intangible, or excusable due to his team or his players.
All year long you have claimed that rose’s success has been due to the coach and the team. And now ure saying that the coach and teams failure is coming from rose. Thats not linear logic at all. U are better off saying that because the team and coach arent performing rose isnt performing, but then that just proves u dont watch the game because the entire heats defense is geared against rose not the other players.
So ur efforts to makebelive u are making objective arguments is wrong, u came here with a bias, and that bias is clearing showing.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Rose's shooting percentage has dipped in this series.
Shooting percentage isn’t everything, but it is your only argument for saying he is having a terrible series.
You should consider weighing other factors.
That is all he does though
He doesn’t defend, he is not a great passer, not a great rebounder. You can not put him on Wade or LeBron. He needs to score. Efficiently for the Bulls to win. He is not doing it.
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when will the
rose doesn’t defend myth die?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
thats what colin cowherd was talking about
it was a stupid argument, Derrick rose cant guard lebron james, derrick rose cant guard chris bosh, derrick rose cant guard tyson chandler…so he MUST be a bad defender.
Lebron james can guard anyone in the league.
Im sorry derrick rose isnt 6’8 and weighs 250 lbs?
Dwight howard cant guard rose on the perimeter either…no one will ever suggest it means dwight howard isnt the most dominating defender in the league…and give rose 2 years, then id like to see lebron james guard rose…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
he is actually a good defender and rebounder
for his position. Synergy says his individual defensive numbers are better than Rondo or Westbrook. He has guarded Wade several times in this series with Wade getting nothing. But continue to fail.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That kinda sounds like trolling
[shooting] is all he does
Yet, a moment ago you said his intangibles were off the charts. Intangibles imply more than shooting.
He doesn’t defend
He doesn’t defend? At all? He’s 13th in steals per game in the NBA, he blocked more shots than Lebron James. The shooting percentage of star point guards dipped when they played against the bulls with rose on the floor. I think the last point has more to do with the bulls team defense, but if we are pretending Rose is playing in a vacuum for all your arguments, I should benefit from it occasionally.
he is not a great passer
He’s top ten in assists this season.
not a great rebounder
He got the 4th most rebounds of any point guard this season. Granted, that doesn’t make him a “great rebounder”, but it does mean he is contributing more than shooting alone.
All I am asking you to do is consider weighing other factors besides shooting percentage when looking at basketball. Why is that so objectionable?
It's not.
But we will leave it at that. I respect that you guys are defending your guy. But I was trying not troll. But we will leave it that. We will go in a circle. I do like your posts about the Joel Anthony. And also this community is a little more active than OPP. It is fun to talk to other team’s fans. You guys should try the ESPN DDL.
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"Please do not take this as trolling."
No, I will because you’re trolling. Have fun with Gilbert Arenas.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not trolling.
I may be attacking Rose, but I am at least defending the rest of the team. There is no other way to put it. Rose has been terrible. LeBron played like this against Boston last year and was called a quitter.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
We don't need other fans to tell us how the team performed. Rose was bad, gee thanks for pointing that out.
Without your expert opinion I would have pinned the whole loss on Brian Scalabrine.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every time I sit down after a game and think about WTF happened,
I always come back to Booz, the biggest con-artist this city has seen since Ben Wallace. This piece of shit fronts like he wants to win and came here because “he sees something great and wants to be a part of it.” Bullshit. You wanna be a part of it? Play some G-d damn defense! Eliminate the idiotic fade away. Actually go to work in the post, instead of playing like like you’re afraid of contact. Reserve your stupid head bobbling until you actually accomplish something.
This guy is full of shit. He didn’t come here to be a part of it. He came here to be along for the ride, a ride that he’s derailed. He’s a fraud; everything he does flies in the face of everything he said in the pre-season, everything he told Noah in that hotel lobby. He sold the front-office and the Bulls starting center on a product that he has not delivered. He’s soft, both mentally and physically and he needs to go.
by dakoose on May 25, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yet somehow he's also probably been our best player the past two games
The Boozer hate is truly ridiculous. Kinda sad really. Now we have to listen to this for the next 4 years, and hear the guy get booed at home games the moment anything goes wrong. Gonna get ugly.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You can not defend him.
He’s indefensible. He’s just so bad on one end that it cancels out all the good he does on the other end. If Taj plays his minutes, we’re looking at games played in the 70’s and 80’s(point totals, not eras). He gives everything back, and more. You can’t possibly believe that he’s the best _______ for the Bulls. It’s as clear as day to anyone with eyes that he’s just that bad.
yeah, too bad he's not better, he'd get booed less
he’s not even close to our best player in any of the games. I’m not even sure it’d be possible unless he scored 40, his defense is that bad that often.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's really not that bad though, but whatever
Plus, and I know I sound like a broken record, his defensive rebounding is incredibly important. Noah is not very good at that. Boozer is great at it. Our rebounding is one of the main reasons we’re good. You can defend all you want, but if you can’t get the board, we’re fucked. But I’m sure you guys would all realize that after seeing Taj play extended minutes.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
"Noah is not very good at it."
He’s actually pretty good, Boozer’s just better.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
How about this:
The numbers are staggering. The Bulls were better off this season with Boozer on the bench, according to plus-minus data from basketballvalue.com (minus-1.8 net rating). The Utah Jazz were better off in 2009-10 with Boozer on the bench (minus-2.0 net rating). Same thing in 2008-09: The Jazz were better off with Boozer riding pine (minus-6.6 net rating). That’s three years running in which Boozer’s defensive liabilities outsized his offensive exploits.
Boozer’s a net negative, deal with it.
by dakoose on May 25, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
isn't there like the same stat that says the Bulls are better with Rose off the floor?
I don’t really get intro plus/minus, I don’t know how reliable that shit is.
Plus, I’m really not out to be this great Boozer defender. He’s played like shit too at times. I just think he gets far too much heat. This is not a Ben Wallace situation, yet people want to kill the guy like it is
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
plus minus also said thunder were better with KD off court last year
didn’t it?
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same thing with Dwight.
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Magic are slightly worst with Dwight.
+/- works however you want it to work.
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yeah thanks
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
This quote is funny:
his defensive rebounding is incredibly important.
Because it’s what he focuses on. When I re-watched game 3, I don’t know how many times I spotted him getting into position for a rebound at the EXPENSE of playing help defense on a guy from the Heat driving to the basket. It’s no wonder he’s so “good” at it.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
Booz just isn't that good
he never was, never will be. I don’t even think that his terrible defense has anything to do with effort. He just doesn’t have the physical tools/ability to play good defense.
To me he wasn't near as bad
As Ben Wallace (once again i was against getting him since we had chandler)
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
And no im not defending him
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
It hurts
watching Jo run all around on D because he’s over-compensating for Boozer’s lack of defense. Reggie’s pointed it out several times but Boozer too often just looks like a statue on defense.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
My only hope at this point is for boozer to have big games the rest of this series
so that some other team would be dumb enough to make a trade for him.
I would honestly consider him for arenas strait up, and that is just sad.
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Our only hope with Booz is that with the new CBA
the owners are afforded a “get out of a shitty contract for free” pass where they can just annul one contract, or at least shave off a couple of years. It’ll never happen but hey, we all can dream.
Regarding the straight up deal for Arenas,
hell no. No team is taking him back unless Howard is attached. He’s due >60million over the next three years. You gotta get Howard if you take him.
Well obviously we want howard
I am just sick of boozer on this team, and that was just one bad example of how low i value him.
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm one of the Bulls main guy, I go talk to Thibs and let him know
that something needs to be done about Booz. I’m sure Thibs knows that, but it helps when a player lets management know what they think about a teammate. The locker room must be sick of Boozer already. They all bust their ass only to see this blabbering bobble head fuck up time after time.
Overall I agree with you on Boozer but
I don’t see how this is warranted as far as Game 4. I thought he was passable on defense last night and he also got some very big defensive rebounds. Honestly last night, he did pretty much what we can hope for him (rebound, get buckets in the paint, get to the line, knock down open jumpers and at least try to defend). He has been a big disappointment in the playoffs, but he doesn’t deserve the blame for last night. The turnovers, poor shot selection, and fouls killed us (at least in regulation).
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Well, this one hurts even more the next day
Nothing more to say really. That was about the toughest loss you can have as a fan of a team. I wish there would be a hurricane, tornado and somehow a volcano would erupt right in the vicinity of the Heat’s practice facility today. I wanna tie Lebron James to a chair and throw Chris Bosh’s nasty black mouthguard at his forehead for about 5 hours straight. This blows.
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I don't want to keep talking about it, but the SG was the reason why they lost the game yesterday.
When it was 19-8, Bogans had a wide open 3. He missed it, and they couldn’t score the rest of the quarter. Fuck the Grizzles for not trading us Mayo, fuck the owner for almost trading Mayo for McRoberts, fuck the Rockets for not just handing us Courtney Lee. Fuck the world!
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Wow
You almost have Courtney Lee?
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
they wanted asik, bulls said no
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
it's not easy to find either type of player, but it's much much tougher finding a big man as good defensively as Asik is
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How many years is he in the NBA?
I haven’t heard of him last season.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
He's a rookie.
I think most agreed with the Bulls holding off on the deal.
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a wrong move for you guys though
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
Nah
for he was stopping the Wade from getting near the rim. And in game 2 as soon as he was out Heat went on a 12-2 run
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Yeah but you also need another playmaker
and Courtney Lee can fill that spot
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
u can find an average player like Lee in the draft or in FA
hard to find coordinated 7 footers
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
he needs to work on some moves in the offseason though.
I don’t remember watching a player that tries to dunk every single time he has the ball and layups are thrown against the backboard.
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
ya well consider where he came from
he was never asked to do anything other than defend/rebound and dunk in Turkey. According to Rose hes the biggest gym rat on the team so i imagine he’ll definitely work on it with this staff.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I might have to disagree with you on this one.
I don’t think he’s an average player. With a good offensive system, he can blossom into the 3rd or 4th option on offense with Rose and Boozer in the 1st and 2nd option.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
possibly, but still ur essentially trading potential for potential
most gms would stay with the big man.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
much much harder to find a good center
as a heat fan you should know that. Asik has an incredibly long frame, and very agile feet. Hes only a rookie and he has some dominating effects at times. Give two years or so to gain some muscle and hes gonna be one hell of a backup. Most injuries happen to big men, and our defensive system relies heavy on our bigs.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
posts like these make it even harder
to understand why you wanted to give away Noah for Melo using the exact opposite logic.
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
dont get me wrong
id still consider that trade, but mainly cuz melo isnt just an average talent in terms of scoring….hes not Lee….but maybe wouldnt give up noah, as easily…plus with boozer on this team, i dont know if we can actually give up big men anymore…boozer is far more terrible at defense than i ever thought hed be….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I would do that trade.
You have Asik. I would do that trade 100% of the time. Deng and Noah for Melo?? Melo would be helping you guys a lot right now. And that is not indictment of Deng and Noah.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
and we end up losing our two best defenders in the process
plus noah is one of the best big men in the game, name me another big man who can take a defensive rebound and start the break on his own. Not even dwight is capable of that. And id say deng as a whole on this team will be more valuable than melo (so long as deng stays healthy that is) because his defense and ability to score.
A lineup of
Rose
brewer
Melo
Boozer
Asik
might sound good, but defensively, and in this system, its going to fail. That team WOULD get blown out by the heat.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
omer has more upside
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Omer has a fractured fibula
why the hell did they let him play
Headbands not allowed
Did you guys hear Sager report yesterday when Luol got into foul trouble
and Thibs almost put Butler in … haha
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BTW
Why isnt he playing? He can shoot the 3
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
probably because Thibs doesn't trust him in his system
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not that good on D i guess
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
They just signed him way too late to really implement him into the system.
Thibs just didn’t want to fuck up the rotation.
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Goodnight guys. See you on Thursday! I'm a Heat fan btw. but PEACE!
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
I’m a Heat fan btw
I highly doubt one of six Heat fans would be on our blog
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, how can you root for such pure evil?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a fan of Bibby's team first that's why. But I'm a solid KINGS fan
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
Im a good man if youre good to me bro
But im a badass if youre a douchebag lol
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
how can you be a fan of a team like the KINGS and then be a fan of a team like the HEAT?
2 complete opposites
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Been a Kings fan since 2000
and followed Bibby since they traded him to atl.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
so ur not a heat fan, ur a bibby fan
sounds like a bandwagoner to me
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a LeBron fan =)
But I’m also a huge D.Rose fan as well =P
by ap3604 on May 25, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
A bibby fan....
who uses MJs quotes
and is now a heat fan
and also a kings fan
What's wrong with that?
MJ’s everyone idolizes.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
just like the people who say “i’m not a heat fan, i’m a lebron fan”
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
im a fan of whichever team wins "=)"
pathetic
although to be honest i’m sort of a packers fan because aaron rodgers went to cal and the 49ers should have drafted him. i also love greg jennings
not to say i actually cared about them winning during the season, but when they got to the playoffs they were definitely the team i wanted to see win
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i duno thats just weird to me
i have been fans of players around the league but i love my bulls and i will never switch teams just cuz my fav player went there.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I was a Trailblazer fan when they had Pippen
I’d follow as many of those games as I could….
I get his point.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Though Pippen in every way shape and form > Bibby
It’s almost a travesty to put the two in the same sentence.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I followede him whichever team he's on
That’s why. Hell if he stayed in Washington, I’m gonna be rooting for them also.
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
wait a minute, why the fuck are you a heat fan and you’re using a cliched michael jordan quote in your sig?
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone loves MJ
"Limitations, like fear, are often just an illusion."
"I can accept failure, everyone fails at something. But I can't accept not trying."
"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
----- His Airness (Michael Jordan)
So now you like the Heat AND guys that chronically overuse the headband?
Not good my friend.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah seriously just look at Joel Anthony's face
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good Gawd!!!
I met Rod Strickland and he ain't play like no Derrick Rose - Charles Barkley
by Bullsfansince88 on May 25, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Joel Anthony's dad:
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
LOL!!!!
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by Bullsfansince88 on May 25, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Classic
I will give you bulls fans credit. You go down making fun of the Heat in very amusing ways.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
It's too easy
No matter how many (if any) championship the Heat win, those douchebags are easy to root against
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah what gives
I clearly saw Riley using his Sith force choke on Asik’s fibula. Pure evil!
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Looking back at this season
The Bulls did have stretches where their offense was poor. A few 3 game stretches with ORtg under 100, and one 4 game stretch where their best was exactly 100. Honestly, it had nothing to do with the teams they played either. Some notoriously bad to average team defenses in the mix (and some good ones). In the end, the Bulls just can’t get consistent offensive production. Now, the issue is that the Heat are too good to be this poor offensively. I would just love to see the Bulls get on a run offensively, because conversely, most of the Bulls poor defensive efforts were very isolated. I don’t see the Heat really going off again, so the Bulls just need to get it going offensively and I think they’ll be fine.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
I'm still way more pissed about game 2 than either of the last couple of losses.
am I nuts?
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
no. They should have won that game.
You make your open shots you win.
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by lexmarklover on May 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Great teams win the regular season.
Great stars (turning their team into a great one) win the playoffs.
This is like Skiles all over again, only with a better “best” player and a little bit better talent elsewhere.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think this team is put together far better than Skiles Bulls teams
those teams had very minimum inside talent and were completely perimeter dependent; this team has Noah, Boozer, Taj and Asik. That team’s best players were nothing more than role players or good starters on a nice playoff team. Rose can be the best player on an NBA champion, I feel like Noah can still be an all-star center and Deng has become a complete offensive threat.
I think there is a much clearer line between the essential guys and the guys who are just nice players (remember when people thought Noce was a core piece?). This Bulls team should be top 3 in the East for the next 3 to 4 years and are set up to add talent in the future. Skiles Bulls teams only really had 1 good year and were always needing to consolidate talent to bring in someone who was going to be the “man.”
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As far as your first point about the "style" of play, yes, I agree. I should have made clear that wasn't what I meant.
Second
That team’s best players were nothing more than role players or good starters on a nice playoff team. Rose can be the best player on an NBA champion
i said the same thing in a different way
only with a better "best" player and a little bit better talent elsewhere
As far as…
are set up to add talent in the future. Skiles Bulls teams only really had 1 good year and were always needing to consolidate talent to bring in someone who was going to be the "man."
I think you’re underrating the ability that team had to improve. the team that just lost to the NBA Champion Miami Heat traded away Tyson Chandler for PJ Brown and signed Ben Wallace and drafted Tyrus Thomas. It could have had, instead, at least theoretically:
Hinrich / Jason Terry
Gordon / Jason Terry / Ronnie Brewer
Deng / Nocioni / Ronnie Brewer
Aldridge / Deng / Nocioni
Chandler / Joel Pryzbilla
Not saying anyone would have been advocating that at all, but it’s not like, at the end of 2006, that team was locked into some mediocre, crappy team.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This is exactly like Skiles, only not like it at all.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
ha!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I diagree completey, but you pretty much nailed it.
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
the only way this is like scott skiles is that both head coaches are/were white
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 25, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not Skiles.
This team is growing and it’s got a top 5 talent, one that will continue to improve. The team needs an upgrade at a position or two, but the old Skiles teams needed to get the star player, everything else was in place. In this case, we just need a couple of pieces. It’s much better to get some complementary pieces than it is to get “that guy.”
Yeah, I don't see the Skiles comparisons at all
I never at any point with those teams felt like I do about this team (as far as what they’re capable of). Those were fun little teams, but this team is a real contender
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
(or at least I thought they were a real contender)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not like the heat have destroyed us
We were able to play with them, and if an open look basket, a freethrw, or a foul call goes our way…we win at least 2 more games. I think a lot of fans are overlooking that most of these games were decided in the last few minutes, its not like we were blown out or anything.
Imagine though
Rose/Kirk
BG7/Kirk
Deng/Noch
Taj/Kurt Thomas
Noah/Asik
That wouldve been some team (i havent done the cap calculations, but im sure we couldve signed a brewer, or korver still as well going into this season
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Interesting
But Gordon wouldn’t be starting.
id let gordon start
we’d be so stacked defensively with deng taj and noah that gordon would just have to stay with his man a bit. Hell if possible we should just sign brewer to start, hinrich and gordon can make up the new bench mob…..oh what couldve been
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
This is not healthy to discuss these things
but I would love to have Gordon back (but not for the money he is getting)
Even Salmons
would be a nice for us
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
While his Jab step shit is fucking annoying
he can create a shot for himself. Nobody else on our team other than rose can do that
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
He's usually ok
when he gets traded to another team during the season. Who knows maybe it could work again…doubt it tho
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
If you could perpetually trade for him,
trade him away, then trade for him again, in perpetuity, then he would be awesome
i definitely think that there were some plays just here and there
that could have changed the series. we weren’t destroyed.
Sorry it wasn't made clear enough.
Bulls team under Skiles – played better in the regular season than it did in the post-season. Reason: they had a lot of quality depth and they tried their asses off virtually every single game of the year. Thus, when other teams might have been going 95% in the regular season, the team under Skiles was always going 100%. This made them the better team night in, night out. In the playoffs, when all teams try super hard, the Bulls lose that particular advantage. The total talent level of the team is more important than the total effort level of the team, as the latter is typically equal in the post-season.
Bulls team under Thibadeau – played better in the regular season than it did in the post-season. Reason: they had a lot of quality depth and they tried their asses off virtually every single game of the year. Thus, when other teams might have been going 95% in the regular season, the team under Skiles was always going 100%. This made them the better team night in, night out. In the playoffs, when all teams try super hard, the Bulls lose that particular advantage. The total talent level of the team is more important than the total effort level of the team, as the latter is typically equal in the post-season.
The Bulls didn’t have any stars under Skiles and the supporting cast wasn’t as good. The Bulls now have Derrick Rose and a very good Deng, Noah, Boozer, Gibson, and Asik. As Imentioned, the best player and teh supporting cast are all better. But that does not negate my theory that the tam will have a better record in the regular season that what one might expect just looking at the players (this is obviously true), and in the post-season, they might underachieve based on their record. If you had tole me pre-season they’d have 62 wins, I would have laughed and been wrong. (gladly) Had you told me that they could make it to the Eastern Conference Finals because they avoided Miami, Orland and Boston, I would have accepted that as a distinct possibilty.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think it's too early to say we're like Skiles
We could be though, which is scary. We need more than year 1 of Thibs to know.
I haven’t liked Thibs lack of adjustments in the playoffs though, which is what reminds me of Skiles.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
You're right.
It is too early for me to say it definitively. But this is the Internet where one says a thousand different things a day so that five years from now, I can say, “I told you so!”
(That’s not it, of course, but more because it’s been bugging me all year, and now just feels more right.)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I've been fearful of this for a while too
But Rose’s greatness made me let those issues slip.
THe worry I had coming into the playoffs was that we were winning what 9 straight games and something like 13 of 14 or something (I knew that stat a month ago), but it seemed against any opponent in general 95% of those wins would be close until the last 3-4 minutes when we’d finally pull away. There were the few outlier games where our O clicked and we hit everything (we had that int he Hawks series, and in some respects game 1 where we shot 50% from 3)…..
But in general this ugly O team with a great D that is close in all games until the very end, has been our motto all year. THe difference here is they have Lebrona nd Wade….and we have Rose and they have 5 guys to throw at Rose, whereas if we put 2 guys on both Wade and Lebron, they have Bosh.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
this years bulls team has shown flashes of lazyness
only to be carried to victory due to the play of derrick rose at the end of games. That bulls team never had that luxury, if we didnt try our asses off the entire game, we lost plain and simple.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I still think it's a bit of an overstatement
The difference between the Bulls and Miami seems so slim to me that I fully expect that the Bulls would have beaten the Celtics or Orlando without much trouble. Sure, the Bulls haven’t been completely dominant in these playoffs, but they did blow out Miami in game 1, and I don’t think anyone in the playoffs besides Dallas has been truly dominant (Miami beat Boston in 5, but a couple of those games could’ve gone either way).
Most people forget that Noah injured his wrist and that he hasn't fully recovered from that.
He can’t use his right hand.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
I really hope this is true.
His below-average swing passing has undermined the Bulls’ offense, not to mention his other offensive flaws.
he was knocking down that mid jumper b4 his injury
now he refuses to take it
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Note to Heat fans, unless you want to come in leading each of your points with 'I'm a dumbass Heat fan and I'm sorry for that, but..."
I really have no interest in hosting you.
If you haven’t noticed, we have enough fun attacking eachother.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 13 recs
But your snide comments to them
Add to the fun in this bad day….
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Man, this sucks.
It’s like when you have a dying loved one in the hospital. You know they’re gonna dies, and you just want it to be over with already, but as every second passes a new tiny glimmer of hope emerges, even though deep down you know it won’t end well.
never forget...
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anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on May 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
lol
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
no gf talk
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't think it was possible, but now I'm even more depressed
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's deep son.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Next year.
I hope that this is the perfect storm, in which Reinsdorf recognizes both how close and how far away we are from a championship. We cannot win with the SG by committee at two. As much as I would like to believe their collective strengths equal some sort of threat, we should really drop the Korver and Bogans aspects of the experiment and get a shooter who can actually create for themselves, and get around screens against athletes. I would even say we should think about trading Noah, but I can’t imagine for whom. It is sad when it becomes apparent how outmatched you are as a team. Despite how bad Rose looked I never blamed him, because the Heat’s game plan required the rest of the Bulls to come up big. If Deng and Korver hit threes, its a completely different situation, or if the wings create turnovers, its a completely different situation. Anyway, I hope they can stretch this to seven; though I can’t imagine the Bulls winning away.
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by Morphic Resident on May 25, 2011 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
Why are there so many trolls from Florida teams? Shouldn't these guys be at Disney World or at massive cocaine parties?
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Disney is for kids.
The beach was fun though. I got my tan back. Figured I would try and make some basketball conversations. I find it funny you are calling me a troll when I am actually defending the Bulls supporting cast.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Ripping on Rose is not equivalent to defending the suporting cast
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I said
Boozer and Deng have had solid series. Boozer has put back to back 20 10 games. Shot a high %. His defense is lacking, but you knew that when you signed him. Lamenting about it now makes no sense. Deng has been solid as well. Noah is rebounding and defending great. His offense was never there, so why complain now?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Also as you Bulls fans know
Losing Asik was huge. Noah never got a breather. That is why he was so gassed.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
nor did rose
played the entire second half and over time, you could see a big part of him wanted to just continue to attack, but as inhuman as his athleticism and feats seem sometimes, he is human. He couldnt keep attacking especially with the more physical lebron guarding him. Doesnt help that when u finally get to the rim u have to go through a literal wall of people just to get a shot off, and cant even count on getting to the line on those drives.
Rose is having a poor shooting out no doubt, but he really is hoping that at some point it fixes itself in the game, because if he knocks down more open 3 point shots, it changes the way the other team guards him and allows him to get drives w hich allow him to help his team mates.
His shooting is inconsistent, but being his first year with a real 3pt shot, theres players like ray allens who have gone cold before for months at a time…just look at ur own orlando magic team. Most of those guys are supposed to be shooters, but obviously, it doesnt always work.
Much like dwight is asked to be the anchor of the magics defense, rose is what anchors the bulls offense, and u see a team like the heat doing everything to take him out of the game cuz it has a trickle effect.
guys like boozer and deng having good games helps, but at the same time it has nowhere near the same affect as rose having a great offensive game. Unlike dwight or lebron rose isnt taller bigger and stronger than pretty much everyone on the court, hes just bigger and stronger than most guys at his position….
and finally, its not like the bulls have been getting killed in these games, a free throw here, a 3point there…..and these games go the bulls way instead of the heats way.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I say get yo trolling ass outta here bitch.
I would blame D. Rose if I felt like he hasnt been trying. miami is doing a good job as a team defensively so it is very difficult because they have reiterated themselves they dont feel like nobody else can beat them; so therefore they are making rose play in a crowd. Rose can only do so much he is fucking 6’2. the rest of the guys have to make miami feel like the need to be paid more attention to and that just isnt happening.
But that is the thing.
Rose is not doing much. These last two games, the supporting cast has been good enough. If Rose is only 6’2" with LeBron on him, then get the ball to Deng. Or go to Boozer in the post. Trolling would me saying"I KNEWZ ROZE SUKZ!! BULZ ARE TERRIBLE D12 IS THE STUFF!! LOSING TO LEBUM LECHICKEN??? BULZ SUCK." I am saying the reason the Bulls are losing is because Derrick Rose is not playing great. Everyone else is kind of actually doing there job. If Rose was dropping 35 pts 10 assts 6 rbs and losing, then that is different. he is playing terrible. One of your fans is saying it!! Yet I am a troll?
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
whos everyone else again
i only see deng and boozer doing their jobs, the latter doing it only for the last two games. I agree that rose deserves a good share of the blame for our losses, but i know that u saying that the rest of the bulls team is doing their job is coming for a guy who hates rose and hasnt really watched much of the bulls play to know what exactly everyones job is. Miami is making us pay during pick and rolls, they have done a great job of scouting our offense that runs through rose, they are forcing guys like deng and korver and boozer to create shots on their own. These things are more because of how miami has been playing us as opposed to rose not helping his team.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Noah is defending and grabbing boards.
Yes Korver has been terrible. But you were not relying on Korver. Brewer and Bogans, meh. But you are not relying on them. Watson? He is not winning a title. The Bulls are relying on Rose, Boozer, Deng, and Noah. 3/4 are playing good to solid. I know what the Bulls players are suppose to do. I actually the NBA not just the Orlando Magic. If you are depending on Korver, Brewer, Watson, Gibson, Asik, Bogans, to win a title….yikes. You are depending on your big 4. Noah is defending the Hell out of the paint. Fantastic. Stealing from LeBron, blocking Wade. Noah is playing great defensively and grabbing boards. Boozer had a bad game yes. But these last two he has played great offensively. Deng has been steady the whole series. Rose has been terrible since game 1. Stop shooting and look to get your teammates more shots. Boozer and Deng shot 50% last night. Maybe they should be shooting more than Rose.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
wow
again u dont watch the games at all, deng cant defend lebron for 40 minutes a game and be asked to lead our offense as well, thats asking more than he can handle. role players are asked to be relied on, thats why they are on their team, especially guys like korver who are really our biggest 3pt threat, we rely on them to make their shots, its because we were able to rely on them all year long that we got that 1st seed.
Rose isnt westbrook alright, hes not overlooking guys to get his, instead he is being asked by his team to score. He had so many turnovers because hes been trying to get his team the ball as much as possible, but miami has our pick and roll game scouted, they are playing those passing lanes, and no one on this team but rose can create a shot. Look at when rose takes shots in our offense, its rarely ever early in the shot clock. Not looking up? Ur not watching the game. Ur making up a situation in ur head by using limited numbers ur finding as if it recreates the game for u. It does not….go watch some coach nick or Pruitis breakdown blogs and then come talk to us about what rose is doing right or wrong.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Dude, don't you know that to have the complete experience you have to do the coke AT Disney World?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the Bulls have been embarassed
by hitlesswonder on May 25, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm sure they'll completely forget about chemistry
Until they think they have it again. In which case they’ll hang on to it for dear life and do nothing to jeopardize it
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Win game 5, now the pressure is on the Heat
to win game 6 or face having to go against the Bulls at home in game 7.
This series was extremely close to being tied. Ultimately the only thing that counts is the W. But the last 3 losses could have been Bulls wins. It just didn’t go their way. All year the Bulls have executed well down the stretch but they haven’t in these last 3 games. Hopefully they snap out of this funk.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
by chicity773 on May 25, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Enough is enough with this shit.
Things are not as simple as “not going the bulls way.” They haven’t executed down the stretch becauuse they’re playing the Miami Heat. The Heat are the reason things aren’t going the Bulls way. The Heat are the reason the Bulls are losing. The Heat are better.
No, no it's because they're playing scared. Or soft, or other stupid explanations.
It’s much too complicated to actually give the Heat credit.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
You are probably right that the Heat are better but it is entirely possible that Bosh’s performance has been a fluke. It is what I dream of at night.
Yeah, the 27 year old, six time All Star
and 2007 All-NBA 2nd team player is averaging 24 ppg in the series. Must be a fluke.
I didn't say it was a fluke
I said I hoped it was a fluke. And he has scored more than 30 points in the playoffs this year twice, and both times have been against the Bulls.
You said it was "entirely possible."
I’m saying its not. What was a fluke was the 1-18, Bosh is a very capable scorer, especially with Boozer out there.
Is this sarcasm?
I didn’t say they’re a lot better, but they are better.
We got a better defense, better coach, better players/depth 1 through 15
I don’t care if they’re winning these games with some help from the refs. Nothing they’ve done has impressed me. They’re defense is good. I’ll give em that
Do we have a better defense?
in the regular season, yes, but when Miami buckles down it seems like they’res is better. I think when it comes down to it the other stuff doesn’t matter as much as having Lebron, Wade and Bosh. The supporting cast can overcome those three in the future, but it wont as is. The team needs to be upgraded.
i dont think the heat are better than us defensively
just think about it, we only have on superstar scorer, and one all star level scorer…then we have two solid scorers in boozer and korver….
korver is just missing shots, and once he starts hitting them, we win games…for miami though its a bit different. Bosh is much like korver as hes just a jumpshooter really. Maybe he starts missing and takes himself out. But wade and lebron, and even bosh can get to the line. I think the stat was in the 1st half we limited miami to like 30% scoring, but them shooting fts was what kept them in the game so close. The bulls just dont have that advantage. I think our defense is still better, its just that they can produce offense through three players, and by making us pay for our over aggressive defense somtimes.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Thats what i meant.
In this series, their defense is more effective than ours. Whether our defense is better overall isn’t the point. Their defense has shut us down better than our’s has shut them down.
u asked if we had a better defense
and we do. I think us having a less efficient offense has more to do with our own offensive system and roster as opposed to their defense. i t hink our defense is better and more effective than theirs,
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I think we have a better defense
I just think the Heat have the best 2 players and we only have 1 in that stratosphere, and that’s the difference.
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they're playing better right now.....
the makeup of their team is not necessarily better than the bulls.
Or because our best player missed two shots and a free throw in the final 50 seconds...
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Our best player did do all that stuff and underperformed,
but our best player was asked to do more than he can do. I thought he could close against Lebron, Wade and Bosh, but he’s not there yet.
He wasn't really asked to do more than he can do though
He just needed not to suck complete ass. We basically had this game won if we didn’t get an all-time bad performance from him. if he went 10-27 we probably win the game
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to follow up on that
The reason this is so obviously on Rose, is because literally every other player on the team played well for the most part. At least all the key guys did. Sure, some of them could have been a little better, but Rose stands put as being the absolute king of suck. In the biggest game of his life.
Holy shit that game hurt. I’m not sure when I’ll recover from this.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
you can't take it so personally
only rose should do that.
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
he's asked to score 1 on 5 against a sickeningly good defense
while being guarded by the best man2man defender in the league.
Except that he's not asked to do that at all.
His teammates are fine. Btw, why the hell am I having this argument with you of all people?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Once I get out of game threads I'm a different person, lol.
The bulls lost because of Rose, but i think that to win they need him to have the type of game that is damn near impossible to have against the Heat, given the supporting cast that he has. I mean, did you see what he had to pull off to get some buckets against MIA? He had to be spectatular to finish around the rim with the attention they were giving him,
That's true, but nobody is forcing him to shoot
If there’s that much attention on him, he has to make better passes to get his guys shots. Plus, if he’s gonna shoot 8 threes, he has to hit more than one. If not, then just shoot a 15 footer instead. He can get either shot pretty much whenever he wants
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
I asked for him to get up a lot of shots. He didn’t necessarily take the best ones available, but I’m not gonna back down now and say that he should have passed.
but you are right that the losses are on him.
He should have been better
That's part of the
“not going their way.”
I really didn’t mind the 1st shot all that much. It was the 2nd one, where it looked like they ran the same play. Give it to Rose and have him go one on one with Lebron. If it didn’t work the first time, I don’t understand why they’d do it again. I’d rather it had been a drive and kick but all the Bulls players just stood and watched.
Fuck Jason Phillips.
The first shot was half way down. I'm not sure anyone can really fault him on that one.
Not to mention, that’s the shot he has used quite often this year in crunch time and to a decent amount of success. I too hated it the second time around though.
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wait, I don't remember Carlos Boozer doing either of those...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
ok, that was funny
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta say:
-was a little disappointed with Rose’s attitude before this last game. Saying ’you’re going to shoot more any way you can’ honestly isn’t really the attitude that I like to hear from him.
-as much as i know trading players isn’t usually a good thing…….a lot of times u get pennies on the dollar……and i don’t know that there honestly is a good big man, inside-scoring, dominant big man that we could use in return…..i would honestly probably be open to moving boozer. i could go on and on as to why. he just doesn’t have it. he doesn’t fit a thibodeau team. mentally to me – he hasn’t been sharp on the court all season. from really bad defense, to really bad offensive and defensive fouls, to turning the ball over in the strangest ways – he hasn’t been sharp. and i don’t know that that will change – i can only hope. i don’t know that i wouldn’t be happy if they just said,‘sorry this hasn’t been the right fit….we’re willing to get back less than most would consider him worth….we’re trading boozer.’
-ultimately i feel okay with the bulls showing. i DO feel that we could have won this whole thing which really makes this tough. i would say that i think we performed better than another young team: okc. but it’s impossible not to say this was a missed opportunity.
we got one more bullet in the chamber.
by #1humblebot on May 25, 2011 2:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
unfortunately we need 3
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I wanna know what's up with Korver?
Can’t hit a shot at all when they needed one then finally made a 3 when it was too late. This guy not knowing how to make shots all of a sudden is a big reason the Bulls are down 3-1.
And Boozer had another 20/10, but he also was his usual self as well (getting blocked, stupid fouls, missing easy layups, looks like an idiot trying to “defend”, missing free throws to extend the lead).
These 2 guys are sending the Bulls in an early grave this series. Maybe if these guys played well Rose would’ve have so much pressure on him to try and bail these 2 guys out. Should’ve stayed in Utah if they were gonna pull this stunt.
miami is playing him pretty well
they are bumping him and putting variable pressure on him up until he catches the ball. So hes either guarded at the catch, or hes so offbalanced that he misses. Its good defense really. Id like the bulls to run some more expiermental plays, more of that jazz flex we saw at the start of the seasosn, or a simple post up to see how the defense reacts. Im sick of the pick and roll and i think isos play into any good defenses hand, so id like to go with something different.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
im saying
when he is getting open, its not before he gets bumped almost tripped etc before catching the shot. So even if he is open, after going through all that just trying to get open, his shot is being rushed or his focus has been hurt a bit. Remember, korver isnt ray allen, he was nothing more than a spot up shooter until this year. Hes also not a great shooter of the dribble i,e, ben gordon.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
in regards to Korver
I would put him as exhibit A to the “hot hand” theory Abbot and Hollinger like to dump on. It is clear the guy has gone cold from the perimeter. Guarded or unguarded, every 3 he takes seems rushed to me. I don’t know if I would even play him in the 2nd half of Game 5.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what the hot hand theory is
but I agree with everything else. He certainly shouldn’t be in at crunch time in this series.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Seriously people, why is this happening to us?
What have we done to deserve this? Not only are we losing, but we’re losing in the worst possible way ever. This has been excruciating.
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what makes it worst is that this is OUR year
we lucked out with nothing gettin Philly in round one, orlando in round 2 and a tired Miami team. Fuck
The NBA Playoffs - always the best reminder why Joakim Noah is my fav Bull
The farther your team goes, the more it hurts.
But yes, adding the Heat to the equation makes it hurt even more.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
This is all disappointing, to be sure,
but like I’ve heard some say before, this is part of the process, I guess. From pain will come pleasure, yada, yada. At least I hope thats what this is.
It feels like it's part of the process of the Heat winning the next 5 titles
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i said it in the game threads with like 5 minutes left in the game
those last 5 minutes would pave the road for rose’s career. he’ll either be another ringless star fighting against that duo or become a hero.
guess we know which one we got after last night
The quest for seven is on.
Wow, so the next 5 years are determined because
we didn’t win game 4. You guys are really out doing yourselves today.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That is fandom now
Considering no one knows what the CBA will bring. Not knowing that an amensty clause is probably coming and the Bulls could dump Boozer. But yea the future is set in stone.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
It's the whole situation really
I don’t think this is being overstated. We’re in a very unique position right now. The interest in the league is incredibly high right now, as you can see by the ratings for this series. People want to see this Heat team lose badly. Rose had a very unique opportunity that I doubt he’ll have at any other point of his career. These guys could have done something truly special. Instead, this season will be just a footnote in the Heat’s title run. Now Rose is just another good player in a league full of them. He might as well be Carmelo Anthony or Russel Westbrook or Monta Ellis. He hasn’t set himself apart at all.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If you say so
the fact that Rose has an MVP trophy and a 1st team NBA nomination says differently. Monta Ellis? I literally loled when I read that. So now Rose is equal to some guy who has never made an all-star team or the playoffs.
Is the world ending tomorrow? Because last I checked you didn’t summarize people’s careers after the first 3 seasons. The first 3 seasons are typically the prologue to what is to come, not the end.
Next season the Heat will still have the big 3 and next season Rose will still be with the Bulls. We may get a repeat of this matchup in the ECF in 2012. You really have no sense of history at all. Was Lebron’s legacy written after he lost to the Spurs? Did Wade’s failure in 05 somehow prevent 06 from happening.
Really some of these posts are over the top I don’t know how to take you seriously.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Monta Ellis?
Are you shitting me?
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
I AM NOT saying Ellis is as good as Rose
I think you guys misunderstood what I meant. I just meant that his career will be a little more nondescript now (like some of those guys) where he had a chance to really separate himself from the pack. Monta Ellis was just a name I pulled out of a hat
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But of all the names you came up with
Monta Ellis??? He’s not even at Westbrick’s level…smh
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Thats crazy.
Even in the game thread, when I’m a rambling lunatic, all i was willing to acknowledge was that that rose had an opportunity to begin his legacy with a game winning shot. But you already have him as cementing it? You’re willing to say his career will be a little more nondescript now? Do you realize how rare it is for a guy this young and inexperienced to actually pull it off? I guess you wanna write Durant off too.
by dakoose on May 25, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rose is becoming a victim of his own success on here.
Youngest MVP ever, but if he doesn’t win the championship he’s now a failure. He’s 22. He won’t even be at his best for another 4 years, and then probably has 4 years like that.
by BoxingHideout on May 25, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Man JBJ
I was riding with you on a lot of these comments here, but I think your train is starting to go off track. This has definitely been a missed opportunity, but do you realize a) how much room for improvement he has and b) that the team still is a player or two away? If anything, this will make it even sweeter when they finally get over the hump. I’m more worried about what the org does to improve the team, than Rose improving. We have become extremely spoiled with too much too soon. This kid is way ahead of the curve and now you’re ready to close the book on his career and label him as just another good player?
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
No, he's really good still
maybe I overstated it a little. i just think there was a major missed opportunity here. It’s not that he can’t recover, it’s that, for a number of reasons, I’m not sure he’ll have the opportunity to recover. As good as Rose is, the core group of players surrounding him is not as good as what Lebron or Durant have. Plus you have plenty of other teams on the rise. it’s not easy to get to the Eastern Conference Finals. And if you guys think it will be automatic, and Rose will have plenty of chances to correct this, you’re fooling yourselves.
But let me make this clear: Even though I think Lebron is better, I would rather lose with Rose, than win with that douche any day of the week. The reason this series stings so much is because I’m pulling so gd hard for the guy. Sure I could probably be less of a douche about things, but I get a little emotional at times and it’s hard to control in the middle of things.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That's more reasonable
We don’t know what will happen on the future, but I wouldn’t bet against Rose. Even now, there are still games to play. I don’t like what I saw last night at all from him, but he’s always been the type to bounce back . The onus will be on management to get him more threats. That’s the part that worries me a bit.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Yeah, the last minute of that game (and the whole game, really) were so huge for that kid's career
I don’t think people quite realize the implications yet. If he hit the game winner, or was just pretty good in the series, he would be on his way to a legendary career. He would be one of the most popular athletes in the league. I think his performance has really hurt him
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You basically dug his grave during the game thread.
I’m not surprised you would feel that way.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
lol hes 22!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jesus christ the kid isnt even out of his rookie contract yet and you people are already saying hes tarnished his career because of his bad performance this series. You probably thought we wouldve been a 2nd round exit, i doubt many of you thought we’d get this far or get 62 wins or have the COY and MVP. Seriously this team hasnt hit its ceiling yet either with Bogans as our starting 2 guard and Noah being injured half the season.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just like jordan tarnished his legacy by losing to the celtics by ball hogging?
or when he failed twice against orlando after his comeback in the eastern conference finals, or just like how he tarnished his legacy when the jordan rules came out, or when he punched kerr in the face, or when him and scottie got into constant fights cuz scottie would knock down or take a 3 when jordan was feeling it, or when jordan tarnished his legacy when he went to washington.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on May 25, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, I think that Washington thing actually did tarnish his legacy a little lol
And why are we comparing Rose to the greatest player of all time btw?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Him being in Washinton to me
didn’t tarnish anything. He was still a damn good SG even at his age. To me it helped
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
yep
set records, and still had several of those jordan moments, easily still a top 30 player at his position, meaning easily a starter in the nba, and near the age of 40…thats insane.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Well of course he was going to be good
but the teams sucked, and he already ended his career on the perfect note. Plus the very fact that I know what he looks like in those disgusting uniforms is enough of a tarnish for me
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
AT least he didn't
Put on those gold jerseys with the black shorts…oh god
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
im saying little things like rose missing two shots
dont tarnish legacys, worst things have happened to guys like jordan and their legacys have been held in tact. People got past kobe being a selfish ball hog, if lebron wasnt a constant douche people would forget about the decision, until reminded i often forget about boozer screwing the cavs as well….
I was too young so no way id remember, but i bet u jordan missed game winners, i can remember the orlando one, but im sure he had more than those, im sure he had times when he shouldve deffered and just didnt. But no one remembers the times he didnt, people just remember the times he did.
Rose isnt a douche like lebron, he isnt a ball hog like westbrook or the mid milenium kobe…this series, these shots, theres enough time for them to be completely erased from history, overshadowed and eclipised by greater accomplishments. If you honestly refuse to acknowledge that then i dont know what to tell u
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I hear what you're saying
and I can understand why you think I’m being a little too reactionary. I basically already wrote how I feel about that above, and I don’t want to rewrite the whole thing. I’ll just say that Rose needs more opportunities to recover, which he may or may not get
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it’s up to Rose how he approaches it, and I’m confident he’ll use it as a galvanizing moment. Kobe had 3 airballs against Utah as a rook. That could’ve snuffed out his career even before it had a chance, but he instead he probably used that as even more motivation to get better.
Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah, but Kobe is very lucky that he plays for an organization like the Lakers
where he was able to recover from past failures. it’s not difficult to be a winner when your team is bringing in guys like Shaq to help you out. A lot of this is about luck.
All I know for sure is, Rose had a GREAT opportunity to do something amazing this year. Nobody knows what will happen in the future. Plus, Rose is a little dude that plays a very physical game, that’s very rough on his body, who knows how long his prime will last. Similar players to him have flamed out quick in the past
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
or his body can be fine and he could get stronger and his shot even better
your what ifs are pointless. Drose will get plenty of opportunities, i am damn proud of that guy.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't believe im saying this...
you are making me miss Souleater.
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
I think you have a nice career when Bill Simmons is fired from ESPN.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yo do realize that he is already
on his way to a legendary career right? I mean he’s literally having one of the best career arcs in NBA history as we speak. ROY, 2-All-star, Gold medalist, MVP, team in ECF. All while he’s still eligible to play at Memphis. JBJ you need a serious degree in PERSPECTIVE.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on May 25, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know we would have won if Melo and Rose went a combined 19 for 54 and Kurt Thomas played 38 minutes.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
all i want is another kurt thomas elbow
and honestly defense isnt our problem. i wouldnt mind giving up a few more points if it meant us scoring about 20-30 more
The quest for seven is on.
getting blown out, or seeing guys get hurt, could be seen as worse
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh, injuries are basically meaningless at this point, and we pretty much are getting blown out
It’s just that they’re waiting till the final quarter to do it.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
your perception of reality seems off
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Care to elaborate?
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
if you're referring to the "Blowing us out" comment
what I mean by that is that it doesn’t matter if they’re whooping on us the whole game. they’re basically choosing when they want to beat us down, and doing it. That might be a bit of a stretch, but it seems like they can turn it on whenever they feel like it. Which is pretty much as rough as a blowout imo. They got down by 12 in the first quarter and had a lead on us early in the second. That tells you how easily they’re handling us. If this thing goes according to how it has been, we’ll play them tough for 3 quarters tomorrow, and they’ll stomp us in the final 5 minutes
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah its a huge stretch
i’m sure the Heat would like a 20 pt lead in every game. You’ve said it at least 20 times that if Rose just hits a free throw or a shot in the last minute the Bulls win. So how the hell do you get blowout from that?
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I was referring to OT
but yeah, I guess the series has been somewhat close. The second and third game really blew though
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
"they’re basically choosing when they want to beat us down, and doing it."
no, they’d choose earlier then.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah
Its not like they are dominating us. Each one of the games we lose, it was close they managed to close it out, we made dumb bonehead plays.
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
ok, here is my theory
evil is winning this good vs evil fight as pay back for killing osama. you didn’t think we could take out osama and lebron in the same year did you?
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by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
man this is what the rest of the league mustve felt like going at mj and pippen
its just not possible to stop both of them. maybe in two years when wade breaks down
The quest for seven is on.
Nah
I dont remember MJ and Pipp to be celebrating before they won shit. i remember them being pissed at getting beat by detroit year after year
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
well i wasnt talking about off the court stuff
im talking about on the court and in game stuff.
they can beat us with only one of them playing well. imagine both playing well.
The quest for seven is on.
They can beat us with only 2 of them playing well
Wade sucked this series, and Bosh and Bron were beastly this series
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
bosh is doing nothing spectacular
he just looks amazing cause our pf cant hit the same open jumpers bosh is hitting
The quest for seven is on.
Nevertheless
He played well much better than Wade since we can stop him
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Our PF has been fine this series
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
oh yeah and i know its been brought up regarding the bogans thing
but thibs sounded HORRIBLY STUBBORN last night when they went to that one mic’ed huddle and thibs was telling the guys “push through the pain” when they were all clearly winded. like even steve kerr was calling him out on it. you have a fucking a deep bench. go to it.
the way thibs defense works you cant let up for even a second and i just dont see players being able to do that for 40+ minutes every single night.
The quest for seven is on.
i just hate when he says their offense is fine
its not fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
and did that really have to be the recap pic?
i thought this would be the one place that was safe to go to to avoid seeing that moron
The quest for seven is on.
A little off topic
But has anyone listened to today’s NBA Today podcast? Henry Abbott sounds like he drank about 18 Red Bulls before the podcast.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
The simulation gives the Bulls a chance!
Derrick Rose will be suspended by the NBA because he has broken too many ankles.
by jrobulls on May 25, 2011 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
get out of here, NERD
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What do you guys think Lebron's 'mocking' or whatever you want to call it, the ref?
When the offensive foul was called on Rose, charging Lebron, and then Lebron acted like the jerk that he is, stuck his tongue out as if to say ‘haha, ref you idiot, i tricked you.’ I thought that was pretty disguisting and typical of Lebron. Your thoughts?
Who cares if LBJ is an a-hole?
That still doesn’t change the fact that we are down 3-1. LBJ is clearly a much better player than Rose is.
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clearly?
his team has clearly bailed him out. Where as Rose mistakes are exponentially worse because no one is making as many clutch plays as some of Miami’s players.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever.
I don’y like Lebron or his antics. His pre-game foolishness, the dancing last year, the decision, his my-shit-don’t-stink aura, his camera-whoring ways, his pre-season declaration of 7 championships, the list goes on. He’s a douchebag. He’s also fucking great.
Yeah he is a beast out there, I will give him that.
I am just upset we are getting beat like this. Yeah this is the first year with a totally revamped Bulls squad, a new coach and new expectations, but I still feel like we were the better team coming into this series and we are just shooting ourselves in the foot with stupid mistakes and lethargic play.
by BullsFan22 on May 25, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
all of the Heat are weird
The whole sticking the tongue out. Bosh’s creepy lip licking. Wade’s child molester smile
They all fucking suck but they are going to win the title and prance around like idiots and now we will get another generation of this d-bags who are inspired by their dumb antics
we arent dead yet
and ill put the fate of the nba in the mavs hands if we fall…although i didnt want to lose to the heat, ultimately, i just dont want them to win the championship no matter what…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
That's why I respect Rose a lot.
He has been the same from day 1. You just go out there and do what is necessary for your team, don’t worry about stuid celebrations, just go out and play. I still don’t get why he doesn’t get enough respect from the refs. I hope the Bulls come out blazing in game 5 and play their minds out, bringing those three stooges down to earth. We need more facials from Gibson! Korver, play some D and make your gosh darn shots, Deng, don’t be afraid of the basket and stay aggressive, Noah-WAKE UP, Carlos-13.1 pts a game isn’t gonna cut it!
37% shooting won't get it done either. This is on Rose too.
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Ugh, I hate those idiots so much
Those stupid fucking outfits they wear after each game that look like they were ripped out of the latest edition of GQ. Such fucking tools. A bunch of Jordan wannabes that act like fools and have no clue how to be themselves. It’s why I love Rose, he does his own thing
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
*I should've added: That's why I love Rose "when I'm not ripping him mercilessly"
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha. At least you can make fun of yourself after the fact. I know you don't mean it half the time, but it does drive me nuts during game threads.
"After Game 1, they made me and Joe’s life a living hell." - Jamal Crawford
Hustonbull I was thinking the same thing
those dudes are very weird and lebron and bosh are the biggest front runners in the league.
The Heat symbolizes
everything thats wrong in the sports world
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
More reasons to be grateful for D Rose
Seriously I rather lose with him than win with Lebron. And now I give wade only 2 more years of being that good. Cause Brew was awesome on him
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
I didn't say that he wouldn't be good after those 2 years
Just not as good as he is right now. Not at that elite level. Especially with his nagging injuries.
'Don't believe in you who believe in me and don't believe in me who believes in you, but believe in you who believe in yourself'
Yeah, I've been pretty stunned at how good of a job we've done on him
I can’t tell if we’re playing him real well, or if he just can’t find a groove due to having other great players on his team. I mean, I know Brewer and Bogans are doing about as good as you can, but it’s Dwayne Wade, you don’t usually stop that guy like this no matter how good you defend. He’ll still go to the line and hit crazy shots and shit. Other than a basket or two in OT, he’s been a ghost out there
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
oh man
bosh’s lip licking is SO creepy. and i was even more disgusted when they actually showed it on the replay.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
No, they do not "suck"
In fact, they have played better than the Bulls. That is why they are winning. They have three of the best players in the league. The Bulls do not. The Heat piss me off, Lebron is an assbag, but he is a a very very talented assbag.
I think its weak to try and make excuses or talk about how “weird” they are. It lessons what the Bulls have done against them, they have played well against the Heat. They just didn’t close. We are going to see these two teams competing over the next few years. It looks like the Heat have won this round. Now its up for the Bulls to improve their team and make adjustments.
he meant they suck as human beings
not as basketball players.
by Basketball Smurf on May 25, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess, but it's not like we're just making fun of them because we're losing
People on this site have been blasting those fuckers forever now (well, at least Lebron. Wade and Bosh not so much)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
don't forget
Miller’s disgusting habit of chewing the fuck out of his mouth guard.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think the Bulls should have pulled the trigger on the Noah for Melo trade.
Noah is good, but he is easier to replace than Melo’s 30 points per game. Especially if you just need to pick up someone who is good defensively (which you can do with a team composed of Rose and Anthony). Noah really regressed the last three games when it counted. He looked like the Noah of his first year.
I have no idea why so many gave Noah “untouchable” status.
well you keep ignoring the fact that you have to send more than noah
so essentially youd have to strip our frontcourt of its depth
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't know who we would have to send to get the deal done
Who knows what would have been the final deal. Many people were opposed to the trade straightup anyways. That is why I am confused to many people giving Noah an “untouchable” status.
Melo averages 30 points a game. Replacing Noah, Taj and Johnson with players who are close defensively is alot easier than finding someone who can score as much as Anthony. Its not like Noah did much offensively anyways. Taj had a great first game but did not play well last night. The Bulls have much better depth than the Heat, but the Heat are winning because they have three different people that can turn it up and win games singlehandly.
You think we could have had Carmelo Anthony for Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson.
Ok.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Taj gibson does not make 10 million a year
seriously, do you people not understand how trades work, salaries have to match. which means deng has to be included.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
was a reply to 815
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't the Nuggest not want Deng because of his contract
Salaries have to match to make a trade? Or would it be okay if its under the cap.
yes they didnt want deng
melo is a max player. Pretty sure we didnt have 10 million in cap space there salaries have to be close.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea if we could have
It seems that a deal was really close though, but didn’t go through because the Bulls wouldn’t move Noah.
It seems like you're just misremembering a lot of things to prove your point.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but none of us know how close a deal was, the Bulls did make the point that they would not move Noah.
The nuggets stated they wanted Noah.
But this conversation is going nowhere.
cant remember what u dont know?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Straight up is NOT possible, theres no point in discussing a straight up deal because it could never be done
Deng wouldve had to be included to even out salaries
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
My point was
Many people were saying they wouldn’t do it straight up, I know that a straight up deal isn’t possible. Thats why I said
“Many people were opposed to the trade straightup anyways. That is why I am confused to many people giving Noah an "untouchable" status.”
ya well people just like noah more, sometimes its more than just the guys skill
sometimes its what he means to his teammates and their fans. i would understand someone who doesnt really follow the bulls not caring about noah and would be more than willing to move him but when you listen to the guy talk on a regular basis and you see how much he cares when hes on the floor, honestly i understand why people wouldnt want to trade him for Melo.
He also was putting up monster numbers at the beginning of the season which made it seem like even more of a bad idea. And looking at the knicks right now i dont really think melo wouldve solved things, we wouldve improved on offense and gotten dramatically worse on defense. Id rather move asik for lee.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's so easy to just pick up a defensive-minded big who can play 40 minutes, initiate offense, and switch out to almost any perimeter player in the league.
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said Noah isn't good
The payoff with Carmelo Anthony is better though and at the end of the day you can replace Noah defensively much easier. Anthony is a better offensive contributor than Noah.
getting melo completely changes this team
we would lose deng and noah and gain melo. which means melo guards lebron, oh joy that would be great. last time i check the knicks didnt do anything special. Also melo wanted nothing to do with chicago he wanted NY. i like how people completely ignore that.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
the guy wanted NY from day one
it was rumored chicago was an option but we are always rumored, we are friggin chicago.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So you know one location was a rumor, but the other was a true preference?
Yahoo! Sports reported Wednesday that an NBA source with knowledge of Anthony’s wishes told him Anthony still hopes to convince Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri to trade him, and he prefers a move to the New York Knicks or Bulls.
and then melo turns around and denys it
he also was rumored for NJ, and that he was rumored to be insulted by chicagos views on noah. blah blah blah its rumors. we are rumored for every damn big FA by nba sources.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
We did not need Melo
Still don’t. I do think they should have pulled the trigger on that Taj for Mayo deal though.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Stacey King: "Bulls would have won if they all played with "Joakim Noah Energy"
You cannot get more moronic than that. It wasn’t a matter of the Bulls “not trying hard enough”. The Heat have just outplayed the Bulls when it counts.
Which has moslty been in the 4th quarter, so to our credit, we've been right there to win each game.
all of these games have been winnable
I think its silly for people not to acknowledge how good the Heat are and how close we have been.
This has been a growing experience,
not just for the players and organization but for us fans as well (for me at least). I think we all got spoiled by what a great regular season it was and thought the road to the finals would be as easy as during the 90’s. Well, it turns out we have some growing pains to go through first.
The bulls have bumped up against their limitations in this series, but, if anything (as Derrick would say), it provides extra motivation and resolve to make this offseason successful. The org is going to have to make some moves, Thibs is going to scheme like a mad man, and Rose will work his ass off. The silver lining is that this defeat will make us stronger in the long run.
This might sound sacrilegious, but our happiness should not depend on whether Rose makes that shot at the end of regulation, or on the outcome of any sports games at all. True happiness comes from within, not from any external sources. (Step off the ledge JBJ)
I know we have all invested a lot of time and energy in this team, but lets be thankful that we have a really good team that undoubtedly will continue to improve. Lets just try to enjoy the rest of this bumpy rollercoaster that we call Bulls basketball.
Isn’t it better to have loved and lost (even to the Heat) than to never have loved at all?
Sorry for the rant, I will get off my soapbox now.
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i still feel we are one player away from being great
and no i dont mean one star away, i mean one solid scorer away. someone who can consistently put up around 15pts at the 2 spot and isnt a complete joke on defense.
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by ALmighty1080 on May 25, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
We already have someone close to that in Ronnie Brewer.
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This is tough, because there is a thought that suggests that you let them grow.
Brewer can shoot the three and cut to the basket. He needs to start and maybe he can make it happen. JR Smith is a very tantalizing temptation. Dwight Howard…etc. We need a small fine tuning maybe and not wholesale changes. Gar and Paxson will be judged on how they handle this off season and after the lockout is over. (hopefully there will not be one).
he is a solid 2/3 swingman
off the bench, but Bulls need a shooter.
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No the Bulls need another creator, this series has shown that. A shooter don't mean
shit if he is cold……cough. korver cough…. We have a shooter already. We need an Iggy more than we need a Ray Allen.
well I was more implying that Brewer doesn't have the range to be the Bulls fix at starting 2 guard
Bulls need a creator too.
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by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I completly agree. I think this series is only the opening bell of what is to come.
Miami and Chicago will battle each and every year the way the Spurs and Lakers used to battle. I firmly believe that this era may be indeed the era of good vs evil. Rose vs Lebron, with an occasional sprinkling of Durant.
I think people need to realize how good we are defensively at that position
Plus the insane amount of offensive value Korver had while he was on the floor. As crazy as it sounds, considering how much we complain about it, it’s gonna be very difficult to upgrade that position. We did about as well as one could hope for not having a legitimate starter at the position. I think the fact that we had that three man rotation made the situation seem a little more dire than it actually was. Brewer is a damn good player. I know it doesn’t seem like it right now, but Korver has an elite skill that matches up with our best player perfectly. Unless we hit a home run (I’m talking like Igoudala or something), I don’t think we should make a move just to make one
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If Brewer can hit that three in any kind of halfway decent clip then he should start.
Brewer is a good player and is still a young player himself. This is why it is tough, because on the one hand if we lose to Miami then as a fan I want a response from Gar and Paxson. I do not want them to sit and rest on their asses. It may not need to be a major overhaul, even though I was swept up in the emotions of a bitter loss and I said that the whole team should be dismantled, but now that I have calmed down, maybe all we need is a minor tweek to the team, but if Howard makes it clear that he does not want to play for Orlando then how do we not make a run for him. Iggy would be perfect with our current team. JR Smith could help also. The talk of Howard and Iggy is like drinking Kool Aid. JR Smith is an unrestricted free agent and that is where our focus should be. IF others become available then it requires major changes to the core of a 62 win team. It is a tough situation, but that is why Gar and Paxson makes them and yes they will be judged by what they do.
If we have a chance of getting Iggy then we must make that move. Rose needs a second
overall creator on this team if we intend to keep up with Miami. This to me has taken now a higher priority than a shooter. We need someone who can create their own shot and shoot a decent percentage.
This might sound sacrilegious, but our happiness should not depend on whether Rose makes that shot at the end of regulation, or on the outcome of any sports games at all. True happiness comes from within, not from any external sources.
Normally I would agree with you here, but not in this case. Beating the Heat this year would’ve made me obscenely happy. I would’ve been on an entirely different plane of existence than most people. My main mode of transportation would be floating
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
(Very good rant though, btw. On a 1-10 scale, my depression dropped from about 18 to 12)
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, I think all of you need to watch the Heat's preseason celebration again
Just to realize how terrible it will be if they actually win a title this year. Maybe it’s been forgotten by some over time, but not by me.
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by Juiceboxjerry on May 25, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we not only should have proper perspective
but it should be so obvious to have proper perspective that we don’t have to even mention it.
So it wasn’t sacrilegious as much as it was insulting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 25, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
with Asik being out
its time for our secret weapon, the white mamba
We are very close. Miami knows that we can play with them. They have not had one
easy victory against us. A shot here, a FT there, a slip a fall, a few threes and we would have swept Miami. I have talked a lot about roster changes, but honestly. I think we are a JR Smith away from beating Miami. If Dwight Howard becomes available then we should go after him, but really all we need is that fiery SG and JR Smith fits the bill. He is an unrestricted free agent he should be our number one priority going into the off season.
I criticize Derrick Roses’ teammates a LOT, but I think that this is the first years they have all played with each other and I would like THIS team with an added SG (Smith or Mayo) to be the ones who defeat the Heat. Dwight Howard or Iggy would be a bonus, but that of course would change the team and they would have to learn all over again. If we can get them then go after them, but if not I would be very upset to know that we did not make a very hard run at JR Smith.
whats nice about this team
is we are basically a brand new team from coach to scrubs. They still have a lot of room for improvement. They’ve had tough games in the playoffs since day 1 and Im sure they learned a lot. And I’m sure Rose saw what he needs to work on this offseason. He needs to improve his pnr defense, continue improve his shooting and bring back that midrange J and limit those lazy passes. Im also confident that guys like Taj and especially Asik will comeback a different animal next season
even with the top record, i really never considered them elite and didnt see them as favorites. I know they have an outside chance with boston getting old and miami having a roller coaster season, too bad we saw the heat while they’re on top of the coaster
I honestly think we are one small underated move away from being elite. Just one good shot creator from the perimeter, not necesarily a superstar.
Miami is also a brand new team.
They will get better next year too.
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I expect the improvement of Chicago esp Rose
to be greater than miami’s improvement
I hope you are right.
It should be a very good rivalry.
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The era of Lebron vs Rose begins....Lebron will win this year, but he still has to close
the deal and get the ring.
Bulls just need to have the mentality of why not us?
Why can’t they be the next of the few teams to win a series down 3-1? It’s pretty fucking unlikely and it’s gonna be hard as shit but there’s still a chance.
Too many lame fans giving up hope, it’s sad.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Let us see what they can do tomorrow....whatever Rose may think on how he failed. He can
erase it tomorrow. The team as a whole can erase all of their failings with a victory tomorrow and put Miami on it’s heels and force a game six in Miami. They still can win this. I agree just because it is difficult does not mean that it is impossible.
Man, JBJ you really tore into Rose up there.
Not running for Mr Popularity at BaB, I guess. BTW, I agree with what you had to say.
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One pretty crucial thing you are all forgetting...
We have what is likely to be the #1 overall pick in the 2016 draft. This will allow us to draft Jashaun Agosto and move Rose to shooting guard. Pretty sure this backcourt is untouchable.
I’m assuming you guys have scouted Jashaun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzCdimrNHbI&sns=fb
on a brightside
if the bulls lose, all these bandwagon commentators will prob join the Heat blog lol
my soul's torn, my dream shattered..the only remedy: watching Conan The Barbarian for the umpteenth time
A little less than 24 hours have passed and I am STILL so depressed..
Even failed my test this morning. They need to win tomorrow – we cannot go down without a fight. I know only 8 or so teams have ever come back from 3-1 but we’ve exceeded all expectations in the reg season..in the words of our MVP..“Why not?”
haha..wishful thinking!
Regardless of what happens in this series, whether we go down tomorrow, game 6,
game 7, comback and beat Miami and win/lose vs DAL/OKC. It is clear that we are going to have to deal with the Heat to get to a championship, with all due respect to the other teams in the eastern conference. The East belongs to the Heat and the Bulls for the next decade. The Knicks will be a close second, but this is how it is going to be.
What team can we put together that matches up well with them. I think we match up with them better than any other team in the league with exception of maybe the Lakers.
The Heats best line up has been Wade, Lebron, Haslem, Bosh, and Miller. How do we match up with that team.
If they put Lebron on Derrick Rose as he is the only player in the league that can slow Derrick down, then who do we have that can exploit that, because it creates a mismatch somewhere else if James is on Rose. This is why I say we need a creator more than we need a shooter. We need a creator who can shoot the three at a good enough percentage to keep the defense honest.
We need to go after Iggy or Dwight Howard. This may be a Kool Aid dream, but indulge me for a moment.
Iggy can take whomever is left over if Lebron is on Rose. Wade is losing a step and is too small to guard Iggy. The rest of them are too slow to guard Iggy. In the philly series I think Lebron guarded Iggy, but he would not have to deal with that if he came back home to Illinois. Lebron cannot guard a whole team and if they double Iggy then Iggy is a good enough passer to make them pay. Iggy is no ray allen, but the Bulls do not need a Ray Allen against the Heat. The Bulls need to make Miami have to come up with a strategy to defeat us other than throwing everybody and the kitchen sink at Derrick Rose. This is unfair to Rose and unfair to the city of Chicago. Lebron will be too busy guarding Rose and Iggy will be free to exploit whomever Miami puts on him.
Of course Dwight Howard would shut down Bosh and Thibs would have a defensive player of the year to work with as he did with Kevin Garnett in Boston. I think Thibs would give Howard more offensive freedom to take a few jumpers, but he would certainly make Howard into an even more powerful defensive beast. Lebron and Wade would not be able to have unimpeded forays into the lane with Howard there inside. Howard and Rose will be a lethal inside out combo not seen since Kobe and Shaq. Dwight Howard will not necesarily make Miami pay for Lebron guarding Rose, but he will create a problem for Miami inside and they will have to pick their poison. Howards FT shooting is always an issue, but he is worth that gamble.
To get Iggy or Howard it would require that we and management give up their sacred cows….mainly Noah, Deng and the draft picks. Howard may cost more but either one of them are worth the price. I wish we could make a run at both but I do not think we have enough for both.
I do not think we should go beyond Noah, Deng and draft picks to get either of them, for Howard if it is one more player then I’d do it, but not for Iggy. Deng, Noah and draft picks I think is a generous offer to Philly, but we need a second creator to help Rose.
We can still go after JR Smith in a separate move. JR Smith does not need to be traded for. He needs to be negotiated with. He needs to see that it is beneficial for him to come to Chicago and he can be that shooter we need and he can create as well and play defense. This is about matching up with Miami who will be our main rival in the east.
I think we are stuck with Boozer so we have to make it work, but that may not be all that bad.
Trade for Howard or Iggy and go after JR Smith separately and pair them with Derrick Rose. We probably will not get Howard, but we can push for Iggy and JR Smith.
Iggy trade Deng, Noah and draft picks
Rose/Watson
JR Smith/Korver
Iggy/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson
Asik/Thomas
or Howard trade Deng, Noah, Gibson and draft picks.
Rose/Watson
JR Smith/Arenas
Brewer/Korver
Boozer/Thomas
Howard/Asik
If we strike out on both Iggy and Howard or the price is too high then we still should go after JR Smith regardless.
Rose/Watson
Smith/Korver
Deng/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Asik
JR Smith would fill a need as SG, we will see if he alone is enough for us to get past Miami. He is definitly a scorer so maybe he will be that last piece. Management may want to make this move because hopefully Reinsdorf will put his money where his mouth is and feild a championship team. Noah and Deng would still be here and I know many of us would like this. I would love for this team with JR Smith to compete with the Heat for many years to come. We will see how it goes.
This proposal is not perfect, but we need to get creative even if we shock the world and win a championship this year.
Miami may improve next year and we cannot afford to stand pat.
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One word: FanPost.
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I was really hoping in one of those senarios we would have dumped boozer
by rocky_mountain_bull on May 25, 2011 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I am going to repost this in a separate fanpost, but I think that no team wants to touch
Boozer’s contract. Maybe Orlando is they want to push Arenas on us.
I'm making a fanpost too
but here’s a preview: Brandon Roy. Thoughts?
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by poker_punker on May 25, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
is your post about taking on terrible contracts?
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on May 25, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sick and tired of all these bandwagon fans.
My facebook has been blowing up with posts like “YEAH! BIG 3!”, “DIRK UR A GOD!” yet I’m quite sure they don’t know shit about the nba. It makes me sick cuz they were Lakers and Celtics fans last year. I want the Bulls to win so bad and rub it to these dicks faces.
Oh, first time posting here. Been lurking for a few years. FUCK RONDO! FUCK LEBITCH! FUCK D-WADE’S ABNORMAL JAW! FUCK YOU BOSHTRICH!
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