Hearing Chicago's already putting feelers out for the #28 and #30 picks. Trying to package both to move up. Not a lot of interest early on.
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Kyle Singler will be available at this slot.
6’9" Duke forwards have a mixed track record in Chicago, but I’m sure he understands how to listen to his coach, because Scalabrine will have a lot of advice to impart to him about leading cheers.
Pass
Singler sucks. Scalabrine is actually a pretty good comp for him, I think. Decent but not great jumpshooter who can’t get his own shot, doesn’t have the athleticism to guard 3s, and doesn’t have great size for the 4 spot.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Nah no singler
I dont but him
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 16, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
I say draft and stash
At 28, I would take Lucas Noqueira 6’11 218lbs 18 year old center from Brazil. Dude is very raw and will play next season for a 1st or 2nd divison Euro squad. Scouts are comparing him to Noah just more athletic.
At 30 I’m not to sure?
by Bullsfanla on May 16, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
ricky rubio?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
True,
what I was talking about is that guys drafted in the 1st round get guaranteed multiyear contracts, while 2nd rounders don’t. Thats why the draft and stash in the 2nd round is more popular, because if they dont pan out you can let em go and not pay anything. So theoretically you could draft and stash a guy in the first round, but its better to do so in the 2nd round, I think. At least thats how I interpret what I’ve read on the matter.
You can draft and stash first Rounders
It just cost you more but since we are drafting at the end of the 1st the cap hit is not a big. I saw Draft and Stash their are some nice Euro cats out there that with some time would really help our second unit in the future. I mean we are deep now the only way I draft someone this year expecting them to pay is if we can get a wing that can shoot and slash.
1st round has slotted pay scale. second round does not.
(so a player might even prefer to come over right away, since he could be payed like a lottery pick. the suns and kerr did this with 2nd rounder goran dragic, btw. it was not only a guaranteed deal, but there was an issue with his buyout from tau ceramica, iirc. or maybe it was the spurs who thought he needed a big buyout, when that wasn’t the case. i sorta recall an issue of just who it was that held his contract too, the other club probably being olimpija ljubljana.)
but your point is “stashing” a draft pick. so consider the 28th and 30th pick scale slots: around $1mil per year. that might not be enticing to what would figure to be a top 10 rated foreign player…. or it might. obviously, the combination of ~ $3mil+ per hasn’t enticed rubio to play for minnesota so far. another example: tiago splitter was stashed away for years, and with his spanish league deal was instead apparently paid 8 times what his nba scale (at pick #28) would’ve been. there must be an age/year limit or condition that eventually overrides the rookie scale though, as splitter is being paid $3.4mil this year as a rookie spur.
my point is, i don’t know how one can definitively say 1st or 2nd round is “better”. it’s case by case and player by player. there would be more flexibility involved as a 2nd in the shorter term.
pride is the last to go before the foul.
also, minny isn't paying ANYTHING to their 1st round draft and stash
pride is the last to go before the foul.
From what I understand, players are only tied to the rookie scale for 3 years (I could be wrong about the number) after the draft.
Which is why, like you noted, Splitter is making more than his draft position indicates. It’s also the reason why a lot of people aren’t expecting Rubio to come over this summer, because it’s the last year his contract would be tied to the rookie scale.
by jpm356 on May 18, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
4 dead wieghts are already on the Bulls roster
and there old. I’d say take a least one guard to develop.
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by hedonism bot on May 18, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, interesting to hear that
We could maybe use the Bogans/Pargo/Lucas III contracts coupled with the #28 and #30 pick to a team that’s looking to shed cap space but still wants draft picks. I think an obvious target would be Charlotte at #19.
Chris simgleton
Or Diante Garett
by knickknack7450 on May 16, 2011 9:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
From Sam
The Bulls have two No. 1 picks, Nos. 28 and 30, and if they don’t make a trade, I assume they will look for two role type players who can fit if they happen to lose players to free agency, like Taj Gibson. I’ve liked for their needs two guys mentioned as second rounders, Purdue’s JaJuan Johnson and Butler point guard Shelvin Mack. Given the success they’ve had going that way, I expect the Bulls to go for more ready-to-play types like Gibson, players with less upside than players who are more fundamentally sound and hard workers.
by SoulEater7 on May 16, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Gibsawesome is a free agent?
If I got Derrick Rose in a room alone what I would do is not acceptable by law. But it would result in our kids.
Not Unrestricted
But his time is definitely coming
by Ceasaleo on May 17, 2011 8:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Taj Gibson is under contract for 2 more years at 1.6 mil (or thereabouts)
People are scared about losing Taj two years too early.
by JockstrapNoah on May 17, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it either
this team gave Andres Nocioni a ridiculous contract to keep him. I’m sure they’ll find a way to keep a player who is younger, better, and not as much of an idiot.
Trading the picks for OJ Mayo or someone else hopefully
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by MichaelClutchtree on May 16, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions
This is waaaayyyy too weak of a draft for that.
OJ Mayo is lottery level talent, and these picks the Bulls have will essentially be 2nd round talent.
They’re worthless to trade except as throw-ins.
by JockstrapNoah on May 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington's pick from ATL
Grunfeld and company owe us a solid for giving them Kirk AND a 1st for basically nothing. They have their lottery pick, and I think the ATL pick is like #18. Send #28 and #30 to the Wiz for #18. Then use that pick for trade bait with a future 1st or take Singleton from FSU to back up Lu.
by Ceasaleo on May 17, 2011 8:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
im pretty high on singleton for the bulls, so that would be great.
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Oh, give me a break
People were ecstatic that anyone took Kirk’s contract for nothing and gave the team a shot one of the free agent jerks. Washington doesn’t owe anything for taking a player that the Bulls wanted to get rid of, especially after all the crap EG took for clearing cap space for the Bulls.
by wjb1492 on May 17, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
it gave the bulls a shot at two of the free agent jerks. that's why eg took crap.
pride is the last to go before the foul.
Yes, at the time
And then the Bulls didn’t get the big names.
And then Washington leveraged the trade into another trade for a young player and picks.
And then Bibby decided he’d rather walk away from millions than be a Wiz.
And suddenly the trade by EG looked brilliant.
And with all the young players and already 2 first round picks, why on earth would they want to trade down for multiple picks?
They really don’t have all that many young players. You have Wall, McGhee, Crawford, and Young, that’s really it. Then you have Blatche and Lewis on those terrible contracts. So, I can easily see them taking whoever with their lottery pick and trying to move down for salary purposes.
Javale McGee/McGhee or whatever it is
7 ft slam dunk guy
Wall and McGee is a pretty damn good start
And if Blatche ever pulls his head out of his ass, he could be pretty good too (he doesn’t really have a terrible contract BTW).
Anyways, the point is that a no. 18 for a no. 28 and a no. 30 is a pretty shitty deal for them.
Pat Riley is the devil.
We should give #28, #30 and Asik
For a chance at Oden.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Oden is restricted
Can’t be traded before the draft. (Can only be a sign and trade after draft.)
Like the idea if it was less costly. But don’t mind seeing Asik develop for less under a 3-year deal.
Don’t like the idea of a long term deal for Oden. He’s played what equates to 1 full season over 4 years. I know he’s 23, but I’d rather add depth for cheap through the draft and keep Asik.
Doesn't Asik have just 1 more year here?
The 3rd year is just a qualifying offer, which I think means he’s a restricted FA after next season. I imagine he’ll get a Gortat type offer sheet and the Bulls will have to trade him soon after. I love the guy, but if the Bulls can get Oden longterm cheap, or get an upgrade SG longterm cheap, it’d be hard to not pull the trigger imo.
My bad.
Thanks for correcting me. I thought Asik was 2 years with a team option. I’m still slightly hesitant to assume he’ll get a Gortat type deal with the new CBA. But if he continues to produce with his playing time, that may well be the case. Lot’s of teams can upgrade at the center position. However, I’d assume Oden would garner the same type of attention for a team trying to get him from Portland.
he will get the gortat equivalent on the new CBA
the results are the same
LET'S GO BULLS!!!
by JustAnotherFan on May 18, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
for a SG but for Oden.... dunno about that
I won’t say better but I think we can get something more reliable with Asik. He’s valuable now
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by JustAnotherFan on May 18, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather give Asik Gortat-type money than roll the dice on Oden's knees
Bird in the hand and all that.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on May 19, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Asik tore his ACL too
and he had a collarbone injury that knocked him out a half season. Just with his general goofiness, and crazy-awkward blocked shots (that one on Jason Richardson comes to mind), I’m not sold that he’s going to be as healthy going forward.
Factor in that Oden was maybe the #2 center in basketball at age 22 for 500 minutes (23.1 PER, 16.7pts36, 12.8rbs36, 3.4blk36), and there’s enough upside there to make it worth the risk imo. I think you gotta take risks to win titles, especially with the Heat likely loading up in the future. Imagine a healthy Oden on the Bulls in this Heat series.
Is Oden more valuable than Asik at this point?
Honestly.. I realize that seems ridiculous just a year ago, but Oden’s injuries make him a scary proposition, when pairing him with Boozer and Noah who have their own injury issues.
by Grinder in Training on May 18, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to play to be good
Asik has played as many nba games as Oden already.
no way the Bulls should include asik in that deal
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by hedonism bot on May 18, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
as in greg oden, god no
stay away from that train wreck
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by ALmighty1080 on May 18, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I really hope they don't end up with those picks.
But either way, I want Mayo, Afflallo, Smith, or Chandler. Maybe one of OSU’s 3 point shooters can slip to us. I wouldn’t be wild about us taking Josh Selby if he slipped to us, because quite frankly, injuries plagued his season last year. He still should have stayed.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 17, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
I like Charles Jenkins from Hofstra.
His nearly 2,500 career points – he’s the active leader in the NCAA – is the mark that garners the most attention from fans and casual observers, but it is the versatility and efficiency in which he gets his offense that draws the intrigue of pro scouts. According to data from Synergy Sports Technology, Jenkins ranks as the second most efficient isolation threat in the NCAA (after Andrew Goudelock), scoring on over 50% of his attempts when going one on one (minimum 50 possessions). He also ranks in the top-10 in pick and roll situations and in the top-25 as a catch and shoot threat.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Charles-Jenkins-6189/#ixzz1MgWVTefm
http://www.draftexpress.com
He’s a 6’3" guard who could serve as a second creator for the Bulls and given his strengths as a catch and shoot guy, you could probably play him with Derrick at times.
Additionally, he won’t hurt you on defense:
Size will continue to be an issue for Jenkins on defense, as well, but his energy level will help him to adapt. Jenkins is a physical defender, always willing to scrap. He plays with solid energy, closing out on perimeter shooters and always attempting to disrupt shots, even if his man gets by him. Furthermore, his lateral quickness looks to be above average and, while he will not be a defensive stopper, he will not be a liability, either.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Charles-Jenkins-6189/#ixzz1MgXIpOxe
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by fundamentallysound on May 18, 2011 2:03 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Another guy I like a little bit is Keith Benson from Oakland.
Big, smooth athlete. Tremendous at shot blocking and altering. Also scored over 20 points per pace adjusted 40 in each of his last three years while putting up very strong (64, 59, and 59) TS%. Rebounds the ball well, too.
Post defense needs work and his offensive game needs polishing, but he’s got a lot of skills already and he’s the kind of mobile, athletic big with good shot changing instincts that seems to thrive under Thibs.
by fundamentallysound on May 18, 2011 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
His
highlight video looks really impressive.
by YaoPau on May 18, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I really like the way he uses his screens
Keeps his head up, isn’t predictable, and can shoot if given space
Yeah, I liked him based on his DX description, stats, and my youtube scouting of him.
This vid gives you a better feel for him as a person and his drive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU5JFdzPVZ8
He comes across as smart and thoughtful, which I like, and seems consistent with how he plays.
by fundamentallysound on May 18, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
nice work. he doesnt look like too much of an athlete, but he looks like a hell of a shooter (they way
he shoots reminds me of ty lawson), he looks very smart, and his body control looks excellent.
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he might be ok."
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3 late round picks I'm intrigued by right now
1. Travis Leslie – 6’4 SG out of Georgia. A natural 3, he will have to improve his skills at the 2, but he was labeled the best athlete in the draft by draftexpress. I can see him developing into a defensive stopper at this level and a possible replacement for Bogans/Brewer. Big and physical the guy is a great rebounder and can get to the line. Seems like a quality role player to me.
2. Josh Selby – 6’1 G out of Kansas. The underacheiving scoring guard who many people thought was a lottery talent. He is a prospect, but you rarely find this much potential this late in the draft. A BG wannabe.
3. Justin Harper – 6’10 PF/SF shooter. Good athleticism, good physical skills and can hit shots from everywhere. If the Bulls are missing anything, its a big man who can shoot. May be able to play some small forward. Draft express says he has great potential and upside despite being a senior. I don’t see him lasting until the Bulls pick, maybe we try to trade up to get him?
by Basketball Smurf on May 18, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Justin Harper intrigues me based on the small description you gave
how’s his defense?
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by hedonism bot on May 18, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
If the Bulls are missing anything, its a big man who can shoot.
Taj, Boozer, Thomas and Scalabrine can all shoot.
7 for 7.
none of those players are "shooters"
and scalabrine… really?
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by hedonism bot on May 18, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah thanks for this
proves my point. The Bulls don’t have a Ryan Anderson type on their bench who can stretch defenses to the 3pt line. The inclusion of Taj, Thomas, and Scals on this list is laughable. Taj has shot poorly all year. Thomas is 39 years old. Scal hasn’t been on the active roster in 3 months. The team could use a few more shooters.
by Basketball Smurf on May 18, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jon Leuer?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 22, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess you meant...
A big who can shoot threes…should’ve probably qualified that.
And, I expect Taj will stretch to corner threes next season.
7 for 7.
Taj should get in the weight room
The man is so skinny.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 23, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he means a Ryan Anderson/Mehmet Okur type
One who can consistently hit a 3. Scal is the only one that does that, but he’s…. scal.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They should trade the #28, #39 and #43 picks
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on May 18, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
I would welcome
I would love if one of the picks is transformed into a top 5 second round pick, or packaging the picks for a likely 15-20 pick next year. Two 10 – 20 picks would be great assets to try and obtain that mythical two guard the Bulls need.
Bulls are trading up for the Jimmer. Book it.
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Ugh.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on May 20, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls need shooting, and Jimmer gives them a guy with legit NBA three point range.
In addition, he gives the United Center crowd a “white guy” to cheer for in the absence of Hinrich, and if Scalabrine moves to the coaching staff and can no longer be cheered into the game.
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i think the crowd can survive without a "white guy"
yeesh, lets give the paying basketball fans more credit than that. And if Jimmer is bricking shots, they won’t be doing much cheering at all.
by Basketball Smurf on May 23, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
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