SBN: Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls Show True Value Of Offensive Rebounds In Romp Over Miami Heat
Is it that this team can grab offensive rebounds? Or that JoNo is a physical BEAST above anything anybody could have hoped for?
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I did not know this
the Bulls finished No. 4 in offensive rebounding on the season, behind the Sacramento Kings (?), Minnesota Timberwolves (?!) and Portland Trail Blazers
"You control the rebounds, You control the game"- Hanamichi Sakuragi
"Reject common sense to make the impossible possible"- Gurren Lagann
"Bring on the Miami Bitches."-T Moore
When you miss as much as the Kings and Wolves, you're gonna get a shit more opportunities to grab offensive boards
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
Guessing they also played at a high pace
However, Kevin Love is a beast, not surprising he helped a team be excellent at offensive rebounding.
The severe drop in league offensive rebounding doesn't make sense to me
The Bulls’ second three-peat teams had 35+ OREB%, and that’s just a decade and a half ago. This year, not a single team was at 30% (Kings at 29.9%), and to give context on how big that 5% difference is, the Spurs check in at 24.9%, and they ranked 21st in OREB% this year.
Anyone have a thought on why it’s dropped so much? Zach Lowe says its a defensive strategy, but I can’t believe zero teams were able to get within 5% of where a handful of teams would be 15 years ago. It worked so well for the championship Bulls, you’d think some other team would try it. My guess is it’s gotta be a rule change thing, but I can’t think of what.
Also, that chart that Ziller posts doesn’t show much of a relationship between OREB% and DRating. Remove the Celtics’ dot, and there might not be any slope at all. It would make sense that some relationship would exist, but then again if you get the oreb and score, everybody gets a chance to get back on D.
I'd imagine the zone defense rules had a lot to do with it.
Even with defensive three seconds, more likely to leave a guy closer to the hoop to pick up any rebounds.
If there’s an obvious drop in 2001, then you’d know that’s what it was. I assume that information wouldn’t be hard to find.
by Grinder in Training on May 16, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The drop started in 2000, oddly
I’m thinking it’s a result of a few things: the 1999 rules eliminating backcourt contact meant more backcourt players were getting to the rim (and not be a safety valve on defense), with presumably less shots coming from PFs/Cs (less offensive talent there too) and more 3pt attempts meant more longer rebounds and easier transition opportunities. Maybe that accounts for the whole difference, doesn’t seem like it though.
If you are using the Bulls' second three-peat team as your point of comparison,
that’s unfair, isn’t it? That team was an incredible rebounding team. They won 72 games in large part because of their rebounding. Aren’t they an outlier?
It sounds like there’s another trend you are looking at when you say the rate started dropping in 2000, but you haven’t given us the relevant stats. But when you say the “whole difference,” I still don’t know what you mean.
I used it because it was familiar and successful
they were pretty darn good at orebs, but I don’t think an outlier. They weren’t even #1 in the NBA in 1997 or 1998 (Nets were both years), and a few teams each year were within 0.2 of them.
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