2011 Playoffs Bulls - Pacers: Does game two mean that it's now a trend?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 8:12 AM CDT
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Indiana | 96.0 | 93.8 | 45.5% | 26.0 | 19.6 | 17.7 |
| Chicago | 100.0 | 41.6% | 32.5 | 45.5 | 21.9 |
It's been two games and not four, but maybe we're simply seeing how the Bulls will win in these playoffs. A stout defense that keeps games close, and Derrick Rose to take them over. By the time Rose had his amazing 3-point play and then kicked out to Korver for a three on the next possession, it was tough to muster more than a polite clap. Especially after seeing it happen in game one, this result seemed inevitable, no? And when the Bulls got the lead, I couldn't envision it going away: The Bulls have Derrick Rose on every possession, and it seems like in the NBA when you don't have a star like that, you pretend you do. Though they did try and run a real offense including a Roy Hibbert post-up late (he committed an offensive foul, and if that was a bad call, he traveled too), the Pacers response was a lot of Danny Granger pretending he was as good as Rose, with predictable results.
This is a different story than the regular season team that would use 48 minutes of consistent pressure from a deep team to get the second-highest point differential in the league. But we've been told the playoffs are different, and maybe this is is all of Thibs' grand plan? Clearly he can't care too much about offense when Keith Bogans continues to start, Kurt Thomas is the first big off the bench (though he was great again, maybe there is something to veteran savvy), and the Bulls clearly-best lineup (Korver with the starters) is rarely in the game until the final stretch. But maybe it's just about keeping it close, and having that lineup (and Rose) win it out in the end.
Will it work against non-Pacers opponents? Tough to say, but the Pacers have certainly looked to be better than their 37-win record. While predictably some of their fluke-y performances in game one subsided (down to 35% from 3, Hansbrough was aggressive but went 2-12 and proved not to be a 70% jumpshooter) they're playing the Bulls physically, forcing turnovers, and making the Bulls non-Rose players look inept when finishing inside. However they're not able to take that next step and secure the ball, as the Bulls once absolutely owned the offensive glass. The Pacers once again used Darren Collison as a way to keep Rose working on D, and maybe the game turns out a bit different if his ankle injury isn't suffered (at the hands of those darn cameramen, though at least that guy was within the legal space for them). But then again, maybe it's not different at all? Maybe there's nothing the Pacers can really do (especially if they can't rebound) if the Bulls closing unit is this good.
And when their closing player is this good. Rose had fewer turnovers than you'd think (6, from someone who has the ball all the time) and finished with 36 points on 25 shots. Another spectacular game getting to the line and converting, and in the second half finally hit his first two three-pointers in the series.
The Bulls as a team were able to keep getting to the line, with Carlos Boozer a much bigger contributor in that facet (9 attempts). Booz had a much better game, finishing with 16pts, 17rebs in 42 minutes (staying out of foul trouble this time), but still just seemed bad. Maybe it's because you could see the defensive lapses still and that the Pacers simply weren't converting. Or that he's perhaps never going to convert a dunk attempt in his career again. Between he and Deng and Noah (once again destroying the offensive glass, but not much else), they played decently enough, but the Bulls have to expect more when playing in future rounds. Right?
We were told the playoffs would be different, and so far we've seen a different team. The Bench Mob is dead (under 2 minutes for Asik, Brewer looks a bit hurt), but CJ Watson had a nice game, made more necessary due to Rose's early 2 fouls, and Korver hit his biggest shot attempt. The rotation's changed (though the starting lineup remains), and you have to wonder if we'll start to see Korver earlier and more often going forward...but maybe this is part of the plan to keep the team's best unit in the chamber until it's needed. Can it continue to work?
Another fun part about the playoffs is that we have a couple days off to discuss it.
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Go Bulls!
The only trends that need to continue are DRose being both dominant and clutch, and Boozer not sucking so much.
Perhaps the lackadaisical play is part of Thibs plan to get everyone rested.
"it's a now a trend"
oops :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope we close the series in Indy.....
because I don’t want to see navy pier on TNT, until the second round……
Crap call.
Although I’m not sure why Derrick is leaving his man at the three point line in a 5 point game with 25 seconds left. Could be Thibs strategy, who knows. In that situation I’d rather have the Bulls not give up a three point shot and sacrifice an easier shot in the paint.
by bleigh82 on Apr 19, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How was that a crap call?
Rose ran at him and hit him in the hand on his follow-through. That’s the way that play is called.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 8:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Crap call. A bit much, yes.
I think Price sticking his legs out to create contact had just as much to do with it. Probably a smart play on his part really. But I don’t think the shot should have taken place anyways as I said above. I don’t think Rose should leave his man at the three point line in that situation.
Smart play?
It’s an offensive foul. You can’t kick a defender with your legs.
Price got lucky with his sell. Naturally, Rose doesn’t know how to sell calls because he almost never falls.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It happened in the second quarter too
when they both fell due to Price (I think) sticking his leg out, but it was a no call at that point.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
it’s a cheap play, but honestly if somewhat like bogans or korver did it, you’d be lauding it as a good play.
jordan used to kick defenders in the kidneys when he’d take a jumpshot. hell, even his last shot as a bull was only possible after his classic crossover then hip push. I don’t like what Price did, but it’s a part of basketball.
Hitting someones hand or wrist happens all the time
If your hitting after the shot has been released or it doesn’t affect the shot they usually let that go. I was surprised they called it but Price made it seem worse by kicking his leg forward and falling back.
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by J Theory on Apr 19, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They usually call that
That wasn’t a bad call.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually it was a bad call.
Price GRABBED Rose’s ARM. And did his best Reggie Miller impersonation by kicking his leg out. Rose did NOT foul him.
Watch for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9vJMvj8e7w&feature=player_detailpage#t=46s
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by chicity773 on Apr 19, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No it wasn't a bad call
Rose hit Price’s right hand with his left hand. Then, Price grabbed Rose’s left arm with his left hand and extended his right arm to hit Rose’s left arm.
That play is going to get called that way 9 times out of 10.
And guys are hit in that very same fashion
9 out of 10 times in the NBA. It’s not a foul. You’re wrong here.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
No way is it called 9/10 times if players
are blatantly kicking out with their feet and grabbing shoulders on the way down. The refs will catch on to that.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I was commenting on this quote
Rose hit Price’s right hand with his left hand.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
You can't hit a jumpshooters hand or arm on the follow-through
That doesn’t happen on 9 plays out of 10, and when it does happen it is almost always called.
If you want to believe that, fine.
It’s not true.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
Not really.
It’s called 9/10 if there’s obvious body contact.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
That’s why they called the foul. Looking at it live, it honestly looked like a foul tho. So I’m not mad they called it. But lets not pretend they called the foul on Rose hitting his hand. They blew the whistle because Price did a great job selling it to make it look like he was actually hit.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
I guess I can agree with that
I think that is a foul and if you hit the shooters hand that usually gets called. But in this case it may have been called because Price exaggerated the contact.
Eek, forgot about the grab
He did grab Rose. Bush league tactics to the max.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You're crazy
next time you watch a game pay close attention and most times when contact is made they don’t call it unless it affects the shot.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
it does happen all the time, namely Rose fouling Price like 3 other times this series
that was the first time it was called
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely a crap call.
After I saw the replay I understood why Rose was incensed. Not that I should’ve cared in the slightest what C-Webb or Dick Stockton said (was Stockton ever right last night?), but it further annoyed me that it didn’t get mentioned, especially after how they went on and on about the Hibbert offensive foul.
I know bitching about NBA refs is a fool’s errand, but they were bad, as usual, for both teams. A blown call or two is one thing, but I hate the inconsistency in approach. One minute it’s ticky-tack city, the next minute they’re letting them hammer each other under the basket until Big Sexy finally flips it in.
So it goes.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope you aren't basing that on Stacey's call
Yes. Price kicked out his legs. But Rose clearly got him on the hand.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just watched it like 10 times
I didn’t see Rose touch him at all. If he did, it was because he got yanked down on the shoulder by the shooter. AND the dude kicked out his legs. There were a few other jump shots Rose defended that, yes, he bumped him on the way down. And appropriately got the foul.
But I don’t mean to belabor it. I didn’t get to hear Stacey by the way. I’m out of market, so I was cursed with Dick Stockton.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if TnT had different angles
Because the one we saw last night clearly showed him getting hit on the hand. Sure, Price sold it. But when you jump at a 3 point shooter like that, you run that risk.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That replay makes it obvious Price kicked his leg and the ref didn't see it.
Stacey is right it was missed. Yes Rose got caught in the air as well. You could see Rose immediately mouthing he kicked me as the foul was called. I think Price grabbed his shoulder for leverage with the kick. You have to realize as a defender though the refs will miss that and jumping high in the air too soon will draw a foul. Hopefully Thibs will rag on the officials to look for this next game…if you say something to them in advance they usually will look for it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Ha
I was like oh no, webber is annoying and I don’t see Webber and Stockton doing well (too much old with new). But at least Stockton’s got a good voice.
But man, he was almost Neil Funky out there with the missed calls and poor eyesight….
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I don't know how that's not a correct call.
One might argue there was an offensive foul, too, bur Rose’s right hand clearly stopped Price’s right hand from following through. That’s always a foul.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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Right.
If we’re going purely technical by the rulebook, it’s a double foul.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a good call
Flip the teams and this blog would have a lot of people whining about how how Rose was fouled by Price.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 19, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
PLEASE WATCH CLOSELY!
Although Derrick should not have jumped on that (a simple hard closeout would have been fine), Price actually grabs Rose’s arm and pulls Rose toward him. The legkick is crap, but whatever. The real issue is that price grabs Rose by the shoulder and pulls him towards him to “draw” the contact.
Still Rose’s fault for jumping toward him and not either straight up or not at all in that situation, but an abysmal call.
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by DRose01 on Apr 19, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah...
Ultimately true, yes, but that’s a playoff basketball call, happens all the time. Derrick shouldn’t have put himself in that position actually…..
I was frustrated by the call, and agree he did grab derrick’s arm and flail out his feet, but so be it, Rose didn’t have a chance to get the block and almost forced the refs to call a foul by getting in that position.
It wasn’t quite a terrible call (there were some ticky tacks on Boozer—and of course the other way late in the game on Hibbert) that were much worse, but oh well.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Oh I agree
If he was already tight on Price and just jumped straight up, fine. He was running at his man and flying at him. Bad call, but Rose was an idiot for doing that in the first place.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
yes, watch closely
before any of that happens, rose’s right hand stops price’sright hand fromfollowing through. That’s pretty much always a foul.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
its a matter of massaging the rules
Price sold the foul and despite my personal reservations against the play id have to use the buzzword “savvy” to describe it. As it was mentioned above rose should have just closed him out instead of jumping and making slight contact.
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by hedonism bot on Apr 19, 2011 5:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Only if the hand is contact with the ball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
to me, this is akin to watching Dolphins football under the Parcells influence
keep it close and win in the 4th. while perhaps a sound philosophy, it really tempts luck to become a factor. by keeping the game close you’re risking the chance of luck coming into play and the possibility of one or two plays swinging the game in favor of the other team. while in football a team can change up the play-calling become more aggressive with the ball to put a team away (ala the Patriots), in basketball, I’m not sure the Bulls can do anything in this regard. it’s not like they can keep the defensive intensity and play SSOL offense.
as long as they keep winning… but it’s definitely a concern in future rounds where luck (or the refs) can turn a close game in favor of the other team.
From the slums of Thibs, Lu-Deng Clan strikes again. We got the Brewza, the Booza, Ol' Dirty Bogans, InspektAsik, Watson the Chef, U-Taj, Jo-Face Killah, and D-E-R(R)-I-C-K Rose!
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 19, 2011 8:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Its exactly how the Bulls have had such a good season though and have now won 11 straight.
Its a recipe that doesn’t work until it does or does work until it doesn’t, but its how the Bulls play and we’re going to be blessed with a lot of close games in the playoffs, and the big difference with a 7 game series rather than a one game playoff is that the Bulls can suffer a little bad luck and still win the series.
I think they’ve suffered plenty of bad luck in these first two games though.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I want Asik to play
The only bench player with a positive +/- was Korver. I didnt think KT played all that well to be honest. He was pretty meh if you ask me and I think Asik can do better, particularly when Foster’s in (meaning KT’s value as a man-to-man defender is worthless as the Pacers dont go to him).
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Apr 19, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I still dong really see Asik's value in this series
The Pacers aren’t really scoring at the rim. And on defense they are packing the lane. At least KT keeps them a little bit honest.
I think Asik will be useful in later rounds. But, the Bulls are doing fine at defending the rim and controlling the boards. Things they are having trouble with (defending 3 pt line, making shots, turnovers) aren’t things Asik really helps with.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 8:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed. I secretly pine for more Omer just because I want to see him dunk on Foster's stupid face.
But his complete lack of offensive game just means the Pacers can be even more brazen in sending a big to help out on Rose.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't miss him much last night
But I did in game 1. Nobody was stopping Tyler and we should’ve tried him
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Asik on Hansbrough wouldn't have worked.
Hansbrough would have taken him out and either gotten wide-open jumpers or driven around him.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Then Asik would of promptly sent that shit into the stands. I think he’d close out better than boozer as well.
I still think if anything Asik would get fouled a lot. He also just brings a lot of positive energy and to me thats a contribution that can’t be measured.
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I think Asik is valuable...
For a few more reasons:
1) By playing him you can help keep Boozer and Noah out of foul trouble.
2) He puts the other teams big men in foul trouble. Towards the end of the season he was getting to the line multiple times a game. Even though he does not make his shots as much as I would like this is valuable nonetheless.
They're not doing horribly at protecting the rim
But they could be better. Plus, having Asik in there as opposed to KT allows the perimeter defenders (most notably Brewer and Watson) to be more aggressive when trying to force turnovers and closing out on shooters.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I wanna see a Rose/Watson/Brewer/Deng/Asik lineup!
Everyone runs around like mad for the steal! Wooooo
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I thought KT game was nice
KK on the other hand… I wanted to bitch slap him last night
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I can see Asik playing more minutes in the next game
They will be away from home and should get more calls going there way so more players being in foul trouble. KT does a lot of little things that vet’s can get away with so I wouldn’t under value him either.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Asik isn't going to play a lot of minutes in the series
His presence is goin to clog the paint.
Watch the Pacers D? Their approach to Rose is to build a wall around the paint. They’ve used three players to stop Rose already with the strategy.
Thomas out there gives the Bulls a permiter threat that Rose can drop passes to.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
While that may be true, I just don't think KT's helping a whole lot in that regard either.
Any possession that results in a KT 15-footer is a win for Indiana.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I think the rotation strategy may well work against non-Pacers teams.
The Bulls are usually the scrappier team on the floor, but the Pacers are playing like a veteran college team in the Final Four. They’re on every loose ball and they’re giving maximum effort on defense. Gotta give it to them.
Still, the Bulls haven’t put it together just yet. If turn the ball over half as much in game two, they win by an easy 10 to 15 points, maybe more. Then, of course, the Pacers shot an unrealistically high percentage in game one, making that game closer than what it would have been.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I should add that I like that the Bulls are being tested this early on.
Nothing’s going to come easy. Nothing. Thibs understands this, I believe, which is why he’s been so remarkably calm during these two gritty wins. This is a team still forging its identity, even after a great regular season.
This is the kind of team that could only end up losing three or four games over the course of the entire playoffs but win by an average of five points a game.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the identiy stuff.
I also think that playoff pressure combined with being heavy favorites at home counts for something too. I think they will play much looser up in Indy.
"I think they will play much looser up in Indy."
Agreed, especially on offense.
If the Bulls win on Thursday (and I think they will), I wouldn’t be surprised if they win by a greater margin than the first two games combined.
Bulls lost 25% of their games this year, so Bulls in 5 would make sense..
Indiana is playing with maximum urgency and competing – which is better for the Bulls than if they just rolled over and lolled everyone to complacency. Defend home court and pick off games on the road when you can.. I’m picking Bulls, Heat, Knicks, Hawks for conference semis, fwiw.
At $300 million, I don't want Albert Pujols anywhere near the Cubs.
by DisCUBbobulated on Apr 19, 2011 8:58 AM CDT reply actions
with that logic, a ring is a lock!
Too bad that would be true for all the teams in the playoffs except for the Pacers.
My Bulls index
Rose: yes he tookover again. He is as good as they come. But those turnovers were really bad because most of them were bad decisions and not forced out of his hand (tho he was greating defending the ball when trapped). If he can correct this we could cruise.
Luol: played great D and should have gone to the foul line more often if the refs weren’t blind. That said his aggressive game didn’t become points. He needs to shoot better like in the last game.
Booz: I think Booz played a great game. His defensive lapses were as few as it’s possible to expect from him. Forced some shots that he shouldn’t but overall he kept us in the game put Psycho T in his place.
Noah: very energetic. I really like how he’s playing. He missed some tip in he usually makes which is fine but he tried some lame layups I hope I don’t have to see again.
Bogans: tho I liked his D I think he really cause problems on offense – and I’m not even talking about his shooting. Bogans can’t walk and dribble the ball at the same time so when Indiana trapped the Rose we were in trouble.
CJ Watson: He had a nice game. Played much smarter than in the last one when he rushed offense. I thought he should have played more with Rose on the court. With Rose being trapped, CJ can carry the ball and provide shooting: something Bogans and Brewer can’t do.
Brewer: one of his worst games. Didn’t bring his usual defensive energy and messed some offensive possessions. Couldn’t hit a jumper from 6ft.
Kurt Thomas: played great, again, on both ends. Big Sexy is a beast.
Asik: had no problems with his 4 seconds on the court.
Taj: I think Taj played good D. I like how he is playing right now: getting on the boards, timing well his blocks and not forcing shots. Booz nice night kept him out and when he was in the court it was with a shitty lineup with no offense – which hid a little his nice game.
Korver: Ok he hit a great shot again. But don’t think I didn’t notice your 4 bad fouls and your silly turnovers. KK did 500 possessions back to Indiana and messes some defensive rotations. I’m not sure we would need his clutch 3 pointer if he stopped doing that, took care of the ball and stopping fouling because he can’t stay with his man on D.
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good analysis overall
I will defend rose a bit. 3 of his TO’s were on him (fairly terrible ones), but the other 3 were a result of him getting trapped. Boozer turned his back on the play multiple times and didn’t even seem to notice Rose was trapped.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
On that play where they trapped Rose at half court
and suddenly you see McRoberts lose his balance and fall back while Rose sneaks through to find Korver…
is it legal to push a defender away with the ball? Like, say you’re guarding me tight. Can I just take the ball with two hands and shove it right into your chest so you fall back? I wasn’t sure if Rose got away with a foul or if that was a brilliant play I hadn’t seen before.
Might also depend on if Josh
was being overaggressive by body-fouling Rose in the double team.
Then it be a case of the refs letting them play.
Offensive players are allowed to somewhat clear out by bumping their opponent with their shoulder to clear space,but using their forearm clear out is usually called a foul.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't say I've seen a lot of calls using the ball to a defender away
Too risky for a good defender to just take it. However, I think it would be a foul for pushing. You can’t extend your arms to push away a defender. Why could you do it with the ball in your grasp?
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't explicitly say.
The closest. http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList
a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
I would assume it would fall under “push”.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rose's TO's
3-4 of them all happened in like 5 possessions there. He tends to do that (it started wtih a hack job non call, and then frustrated Rose forced stuff into a couple more quick TO’s, that’s something Derrick has been doing since his rookie year actually). While that’s not good, it makes it seem worse because he adj and was pretty solid afterwards.
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I agree
yeah they were most during a part of the third
Sometimes he feels like he tries to rush a little to much and do that. But he usually don’t do it twice in a row so I expect a low TO game next time
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
See I don't know
It seems if Rose gets frustrated (which he’s pretty cool so it doesn’t happen often) he’ll go give up the ball 2-3 times in almost succession (or at most in a 5 play stint).
He was doing this a lot the past few years, and a lot earlier this year, but has been better at it of late—perhaps Thibs knows when to see that sign and pulls him quickly then….
But he did that yesterday.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Not every one of those four fouls was stupid.
In fact, two were fast-break fouls that saw Korver completely wrap up a streaking Pacer to prevent an easy lay-up.
one of those fastbreaks was caused by him
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Can a more knowledgeable NBA observer tell me
Why the fuck the League (and particularly the players union) allows cameramen that fucking close to the hoop? I mean, yeah, having pretty pictures is cool, but we’re talking about a significant (and known) possibility that players get injured by outside, non-basketball variables here. So what the fuck?
It used to be worse
Watch old videos of the stadium or the Boston Garden. There was hardly any room toi in bound the ball.
The camera guys are already behind the lines drawn on the court. I don’t know of any nbpa rule that enforces that.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
After sleeping with my John Hollinger voodoo doll, I feel a bit better.
We need more of the CJ/Rose backcourt.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2011 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep
The Bulls lack of a second ball-handler is so obvious when the Pacers are trying to trap Rose 35 ft from the basket. Watson out there will make the Pacers pay for it with easy dunks around the basket.
Bogans ball handling skills are his biggest flaw IMO. How is he so bad? Didn’t he play point guard at UK?
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Two good points.
I’ve never really thought of Bogans ball handling…and now I know why, because he can’t dribble and rarely does.
I think the bigs, particularly Noah, have to do a better job of coming to the ball and giving Derrick a safety valve on the traps as well. Worked very well on the final Korver three.
I think that depends on where the trap happens
If it happens 35 ft from the basket, you want a guard handling the ball. Regardless, the other Bulls players need to do a better job of coming to the ball when Rose is trapped.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 9:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely.
It got painfully obvious at the end and contributed to some if not a number of his turnovers. He couldn’t get the ball to his teammates and would make ill advised passes because no help came. Thibs has to work on coming up with some options. A second ball handler makes sense cause throwing it to Noah high just led to them collapsing on him…Indy knew he wouldn’t take a shot.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
you also have to look at who they have trapping Rose
they are guarding him with a 6’9 guy and than having Hansborough or McRoberts come in and trap. You now have two active 6’9 guys on Rose, and than you are forcing Noah or Boozer to make plays.
The Bulls adjusted somewhat by having Deng come up and set the screen which stopped the Pacers from trapping because Deng is much more dangerous with the ball. Still, I think the Bulls are going to have to work on that over the next 2 days.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
That part-simply giving him options to pass to when trapped-is something Thibs can surely figure out with two days. I’m more concerned about getting more options to actually shoot the ball. I think he has to tell Noah and Korver to shoot more. That alone will help Rose by itself.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Regardless, the other Bulls players need to do a better job of coming to the ball when Rose is trapped."
This will be huge — if not in these road games at Indiana, then certainly in subsequent series.
Going to be tough
because Korver isn’t particularly quick, and the Bulls don’t seem to trust playing Watson.
A Watson/Rose backcourt is probably the best trap buster, but not the best scoring tandem.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
***/Rose
Is the Bulls best scoring tandem.
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't Brewer handle?
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yes, I think Indiana is screwed if we play this
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Although they generally did not do a good job with the trap
Noah made a great play at the end when he kicked it out to Korver. More of that, please.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
he did that time
but twice he tried to attack the basket with a layup and failed
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence my ambivalence in a different post
Regarding whether it makes more sense to put Boozer in that spot (with Boozer’s better offensive proficiency) or Noah (with Noah’s arguably better decision-making and passing ability).
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse time!
The Bulls look a bit burnt out because of going 100% during the last part of the season.
They’re on a 12 game winning streak, yet their legs seem a bit shot.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions
(The 3 point shooting a good reflection of this)
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That seems to me to be a function of Thibs playing his starters a lot more.
They didn’t seem used to it and it was an advantage at times for Indy with the way Vogel rotated in fresh bodies constantly. It isn’t as simple as play the backups more…cause part of the reason Vogel rotated was to spread fouls out trying to contain Rose. We have a lot of time off in the playoffs but I do hope we try playing the backups a little more…but I doubt it’ll change greatly in the playoffs. Thibs will want his best players playing more minutes.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls are going through normal growing pains in the playoffs.
First time being the heavy favorite. At home, many distractions. They’re playing nervous, tight, and even after the first game they didn’t seem able to clamp down on D more than when they get threatened. I expect this to change somewhat at Indy. They’ll be on the road. They’ll have two days of Thibs bitching and moaning and yelling at them like Lindsey Lohan without Jack Daniels. And, they should finally focus with most of the friends and family finally gone. They showed so much possibility last night, it was there to break open the game and every time they started they fumbled. I don’t see that continuing, at least especially against Indy.
All that said they have issues to address. Luol continues to play good defense but gets submerged by it and isn’t himself on offense. Korver is passing up contested shots and isn’t getting the ball often when he is open. Hopefully Thibs will find a way to get him the ball more and make him shoot. Noah is playing with great energy but won’t take a midrange jumper many times even when he could drive the lane as well. Boozer needs to tighten up his free throw shooting. And Rose…well certainly he has to limit the turnovers being a point guard because they led to easy layups and swing any momentum gained back to the Pacers. I’d like seeing Butler on for a few minutes…not long perhaps but something to add more shooters on the floor. Thibs seems a little stingy with going with his “vets”.
All that said they are learning and they have 2 wins. If they use these 2 days off to get better and focus in Indy they can roll. I wouldn’t bet against Thibs doing the research and preparation despite Vogel getting his guys ready. We have the horses. We can and I think will get better.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions
I pretty much agree with all of this. I think the team will be much looser in Indy.
It really is a shame that Noah’s injury and long absence have taken away any progress he was making offensively. Earlier this season, that tornado jumper showed signs of life and he seemed to be developing a couple of solid post moves. We could really, really use another 4-6 points out of him right now, but we might just have to accept that he will struggle with his offense the rest of the year.
Yep my only thought with Noah
Is to tell him keep up what you are doing but try taking a shot when you get the ball out 10-15 feet like he did a number of times on offense and never think of shooting it. Or drive the lane and draw a foul. Like with Booze he’d get the ball high in the half court and 5-10 seconds would elapse while the other 4 ran around aimlessly ending up in a desperate shot with a bad look. Take that shot a few times and see what happens.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this. Noah had that open look like three times and held the ball too long. It's not pretty but we've seen it can be effective
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by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Korver is passing up contested shots.
Good. Unless there is no time on the shot clock, we should not settle for contested shots. Even Korver’s.
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Great point about Boozer.
I looked at his box score and was like “huh?” mid-teens on points and boards. That’s a solid game.
But you’re right. He just looks bad out there, like he doesn’t know what he’s doing on either end. When he scores, it almost seems by accident, or through reluctance. Our entire offense is borderline terrible outside of Rose. Remember when Noah used to hit that 17 foot jumper? He doesn’t even consider that anymore. Boozer doesn’t have the fall away baseline shot anymore. And Deng just sort of clumsily stumbles into the lane to hit that 10 foot jumper (which is by no means a sure thing), and THAT’S our offense. It’s pretty scary and I don’t think it’s Championship level.
by wilsoneads on Apr 19, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought Boozer looked good
On both offense and defense. That he is getting less shots the 2nd half is not all on him. He furthermore manhandled Tyler. I know its in vogue to criticize Boozer but why do it after he has a solid game?
by dreverts on Apr 19, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did look good.
I didn’t think the problem on offense was his so much as no one else was available to take a shot often and he’d end up forcing it a lot more. It was painfully obvious Thibs wanted him to be the focus and regain his shooting which he did, but I think he would have scored even more if Booze had someone to pass it to so they couldn’t collapse on him so much. A number of times he’d get the ball high and people would run around, no one open and he’d eventually force something up that wasn’t there. He shot better and played better D I thought.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta convert those bunnies though.
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by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Boozer had a very strong first quarter
He nearly went for a double-double I believe, which was vital as Rose was out with injuries. Honestly, I almost welcomed the Bulls 1st unit playing significant minutes without Rose, as it allowed them to figure out how to create their own buckets.
by chowder on Apr 19, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My only problem with Boozer's game 2
Was that in the post he kept facing up. Back Hansborough the fuck down and score over over his ass. Don’t face up give him a chance.
Notable PER/TS% through two games
35.4 PER, .596 TS% —> Rose
15.3 PER, .787 TS% —> Korver
18.7 PER, .625 TS% —> Kurt
11.3 PER, .497 TS% —> Boozer
1.8 PER, .188 TS% —> Bogans
24.9 PER, .542 TS% —> Collison
22.4 PER, .587 TS% —> Granger
9.5 PER, .422 TS% —> Hansbrough
4.9 PER, .405 TS% —> George
by YaoPau on Apr 19, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
So Boozer needs to be better
As does Bogans.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Boozer was fine yesterday
His first game was awful a 4.4 PER and presuming he played the same minutes (I’m lazy, but this is materially accurate) that means last game he was at an ~17.5-18.2 PER sure he can do a bit better, but he definitely at least played well yesterday.
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by majoyenrac on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i knew Bogans was killing us
he really needs to be pulled in the first 4-5 minutes of these games if he isn’t going to hit shots. They aren’t even guarding him out there.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
also Deng needs to play better on Granger
I don’t know if he can defend him better, Granger is hitting a lot of tough shots. But he needs to attack Granger on the offensive end. Make him worry about Deng a little.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's because PER doesn't count Korver's stupid fouls
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If they cause turnovers, yes it does.
His offensive fouls and turnovers are taken into account.
Hansbrough
One game wonder!
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ESPN First Take 1st & 10: is about to debate Rose 1on1 against Jordan.
all i can say is one cant stop the other.
Jordan would struggle with his speed.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Yep if you take them at the same age both would have trouble with the other.
Rose would struggle with his size. Both could leap and of course twist and reverse in the lane. Actually at the end Jordan might do better when he was so deadly with his perimeter fade away. Rose nor any small guard couldn’t stop him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh no way Rose could guard him.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Jordan in his prime would just destroy the current version of Rose
I don’t think it would even be close.
all I can say is you need better TV habits
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
The only time I want to see Skip Bayless
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by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate any Jordan comparison debate.
It’s now to a point where part of the argument is obscured because Jordan’s era was different, and it’s impossible really.
Wilbon has a great article on ESPN though, where he doesn’t compare the two, but compares the conversations from way-back-when. People used to say “they shouldn’t need 40 a game from Jordan to beat the Cavaliers” and “can a team that relies so much on one guy win it all?” Eerily familiar.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone remember the Jordan vs Magic PPV?
The NBA nixed it. I remember being pumped for it.
by BoxingHideout on Apr 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Are they trying to give Rose some media hate with such a comparison with a 3rd year player?
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
For myself
I could give a shit with the ridiculous ways First Take fills its time with idiocy.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing worth watching
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Skip Bayless's TV hour
It used to be called Cold Pizza iirc
I have no problem with the defense I think as the game gets tight the Bulls defense shows up. BUT...
Offensively the Bulls looked like hot garbage. They look confused they turn the ball over. The Pacer did a great job of clogging the lanes. Thats why I wanted to see Butler get some burn. I just wanted the Bulls to get one guy who could help Rose score. Sometimes you need an Eddie House, Ben Gordon or that type player in the playoffs who jack up some three’s and make the defense honest. They obviously don’t respect the Bulls outside shooting and they’re right we don’t have the shooters. So we’ll see more of these barely wins. Indy is good.
This offense is embarrassing and it’s all because Thibs is too stubborn to cut down Bogans’ rminutes and play Butler some spot minutes. Or get Korver involved sooner in the game. Our Shooting guard weakness is being picked on.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
That's the biggest problem I think they need to correct.
Along with a number of other things mentioned before. Some of it is nerves being the favorite for the first time. But they couldn’t shoot consistently or have options spreading the floor. It was Rose or Boozer and when Boozer couldn’t find Rose he’d force up a shot. When Rose couldn’t find anyone he’d force up a shot or make a turnover. Korver needs the ball more and to take more shots. Contested if they have to be. Butler should get a few minutes. And if Thibs is gonna be stubborn with Bogans then he damn well should take a few more shots too. I’d pull Bogans and use somebody else..Butler, CJ, Brewer if his thumb isn’t a liability and it might be…someone. Doing so would give Boozer better looks. Hell even Noah needs to take some jumpers instead of always looking to pass when he gets it high.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Right. No reason to not sag off of Bogans whatsoever. There's a reason why those threes are so damn wide open all the time.
I’d love to see more Korver…I do wonder if Thibs doesn’t want to play him more as a result of him being a foul magnet. More PT is nice, but if he can’t play at the end of games when the offense really needs him due to foul trouble…just a theory. It probably has more to do with his love for Bogans though.
Right it just makes it harder on Rose.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Here's my theory
Korver’s bad defense will show up more if you play him 30 minutes a game. Thibs isn’t willing to sacrifice defense for that long. Brewer is a better defender than Bogans, but he is a worse shooter (if better at other aspects of offense) and isn’t a threat. As long as Bogans is making his 3s at 38%, he is a good compromise. Teams sag off of Bogans, but don’t ignore him at the 3 point line the way they do Brewer.
If Bogans keeps bricking 3s, we might see more Brewer.
Korver isn't getting shots off very much in the first half.
So all he is contributing is fouls for awhile and I think that definitely limits his playing time. If they can get him the ball more when he is open and tell him to shoot a few more contested shots it could help his minutes I think. At the least we’d get more from him .
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
My opinion on why Korver gets shorter minutes
is because Thibs wants to ensure his legs are fresh for when he comes in to hit those crunch time shots.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I will stick with the "he's a shitty defender" theory
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
well yeah.
He had to foul to stop baskets and got at least two fouls that way. He has to shoot more to be the advantage he should be. Otherwise he’s just a liability on D. He plays better D at times but he’ll never be more than average.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Boozer is a "shitty defender"
Korver at least tries. He’s engaged in defending his man and will move his legs to stay in front of him.
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by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He's clearly not one of Thibs' guys.
He would look like an ass if he had to play a better shooter than Bogans. Thibs just can’t look wrong.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
of course
it’s all because Rasual Butler doesn’t play.
He’s not going to play. This is borderline trolling. As is talking about guys to get in the offseason when we’re in threads discussing the middle of the first round of the playoffs.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ok ok ok I'll just stay quite until Thibs comes to his senses.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
I'm getting tired of repeating this
But over the course of his career Butler is barely a better 3 point shooter than Bogans. And the last 2 years he’s been worse.
Dude he's a streak shooter and I don't care what his regular season stats are.
He won the last game of the season for the Bulls too. We have no more options ROSE NEEEDS MORE HELP.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
You are fucking insane
Yes, he made a few shots against the Nets. He isn’t good though. He was horrendous with the Clippers.
by JSB on Apr 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
I'm just saying throw him in and cut some of Bogans minutes down.
You don’t have to play him a ton of minutes.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
What is the point in playing Butler over Bogans?
When you could be playing Brewer (to work the baseline) or Korver? Or CJ at the 1and Rose at the 2.
It’s not just about Butler v Bogans. It’s also about the other options. We have many options to decrease Bogans’ minutes that are > Butler.
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by JStymie on Apr 19, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would we play a guy who's worse than Bogans in place of Bogans
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is not help
Another guy that the D can sag off of … helps Rose how???
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yall tripping
I agee with souleater7, this is the playoffs you need shot makers, not just three point shooters, and butler and bogans both make threes at the same clip by statistics but butler can score much better than bogans which would put more pressure on the opposing team defense, the bulls are not going to miss bogans defense, thibs is being superstitious and worrying about chemistry when he has already disrupted by playing kurt thomas more minutes with the second unit than Asik.
Butler wasn't good enough to play for the Clippers
He’s not able to score better than Bogans, and he isn’t going to put any pressure on the opposing defense besides “Hey, we can double Rose all the time now.”
yeah this Butler stuff is insane
people realize that the Clippers just waved him right? That they didn’t think he could help them at all? Now people want him playing important minutes in the playoffs – unreal.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont care what the clippers did they are incompetent, and i dont trust vinny
this dude is defintely more of a threat offensively than keith bogans, with a per of 1.8.hell almost everybody is more of a threat offensively, but i have seen him play with new orleans and he actually made plays keith is incapable of making.
Butler is becoming like a backup qb
Everyone clamped for him, until you find out while he wasn’t playing.
You don’t play some guy who has had a short amount of time with your team unless he’s really good, or you know, not a pile of shit. It’s just a horrendous idea.
If people want more Korver, ok that makes sense he’s played with these guys a bunch. This Butler idea needs to die though.
by BoxingHideout on Apr 19, 2011 11:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
c'mon ESPN
had just who would win a game of 21..Jordan or Rose…does this really need to be a question
For the stupid.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Apr 19, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
THE ANSWER:
The aliens from Space Jam
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by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the boozer seemed bad had more to do
With the fact that he’s missed more dunk attempts (getting blocked or stripped more often than anything else). His D was halfway decent actually yesterday. He kept Hansbrough in check and McRoberts did little, and he grabbed every board in town it seemed.
But yeah if he could convert more of those dunks, I’d be happy and he’d look a lot better yesterday, at least yesterday’s game is more what we’d expect.
Funny thing is I remember the Boozer in Cleveland was a halfway decent defender….then he just got some bad habits in Sloan’s gritty but foul heavy defense, and he just focused on his decent O game (That would be elite if he started hitting more of those dunk attempts like was doing in Dec/Jan for us).
Oh well, I think the Bulls looked bad offensively, but OUR D looks so good that we’re tougher than these close games indicate, and I think all is well in ChiTown because of it…..
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What are the Bulls' best options against the defense we saw late in the game yesterday?
With one guy on Rose, another shading Rose, and three defenders one foot from the paint.
Rose wasn’t even attempting to penetrate, there wasn’t room. So far the Bulls have gotten away with it because Korver hit two big shots, but it’s not a tough adjustment to keep one player on Korver. So then what?
Just brainstorming, I haven’t seen the Bulls try running offense through Boozer in the high post, then just have guys cut around him until the lane is free to dish to Rose. Boozer’s okay in isolation, and I like that he can pass well, and that the guys who play with him (Korver/Brewer/Deng) are good at cutting. I also haven’t seen Korver do his U-shaped cut late in games like he does so often in the middle of games. Maybe that’s all it takes, lots of off the ball movement with Rose dribbling at the top of the key. It’s just pointless having four Bulls guys stand still expecting Rose to score 1 on 5.
Do you trust Boozer to facilitate
with the ball that much?
His passing IQ is questionable.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Boozer is a pretty good passer for a post player
He makes at least a couple very nice passes per game.
Pretty good passer?
I say he makes equal amount dumb as he makes good passes.
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I trust it more than the current scheme
And I want to see Boozer become an active part of the offense. His USG% is down from 27 in the regular season to 22 in the playoffs, and Hansbrough’s guarding him. I’m not saying turn him into Sabonis in the post, but if Rose feeds him the ball late their defense will have to adjust, and that’s all we want. Rose + any other Pacers defense besides the 1-guard, 1-shade, 3-pack the lane is good for the Bulls.
I think Booz is a pretty good passer
My only fear with him at the high post near the ends of games is when he drives. Refs start swallowing their whistles late in the 4th Q and I can see Booz getting rejected with regularity.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Noah in the same position.
I trust Noah with the ball more and Noah has been GREAT in situations in the past where they work the ball through him.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Noah is so much smarter with the ball in his hands from top of the key. I’d much rather trust Noah making offensive decisions.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if its to Boozer.
I still think they’re working out how to pass to each other in tight spaces. We saw a couple of AWESOME plays last night with Noah getting the ball to Boozer from the side.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Noah's decision-making as well
But at least as of late, he’s not much of an offensive threat there. It’d be nice if he could do something with it himself if no one is open as he has a clear shot. Boozer in theory could add that dimension. (Minus the recent reality of blocked shots and offensive fouls).
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Noah's offense had reached the point in the beginning of the season
and going back to the end of last year, that you could trust his offense and had to respect it. Being out for so long hurt him in that regard.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
I hope he works his way back to that over the next couple months!
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Noah can take advantage of an open lane
with his dribble dribble high of the glass move. Would that be a threat in this case, with three Pacers guarding the lane? The idea isn’t so much to give the ball to a good passer, it’s to change the Pacers defense so Rose can exploit an opening. If they’re respecting Noah’s offense and guarding him hard, then I’m for it.
The Pacers kept stripping the ball from him in the low post.
Dunno if that scared him when he got it high but if he takes some shots farther out it could help him get confidence driving the lane as well as opening up shots for others as a threat now. We need him to drive the lane and take a few more shots I think. I know he’s not his old self yet but trying a few times …worth a try at least.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it might be a threat in the high post
I’m thinking about the play when they doubled Rose and Noah kicked it out to Korver for the three. If I remember, the lane was pretty packed and Noah made the correct play. However, if the Pacers guard the shooters, then he should drive.
This would be less a case of Rose exploiting an opening, but of the Bulls exploiting the Pacers when they’re determined to get the ball out of Derrick’s hands with the trap.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's also about where you want Boozer to catch it
If it’s past the foul line, he’s going to just kick it out because he’s not going to shoot or drive from way out there.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah get the ball to the post
Boozer is more than capable and a decent passer, have him create a shot or dive pass it to Noah.
Just do that if the Rose the savior is broken I guess (so far it hasn’t been, so why change it just yet).
I do expect us to have a breakout game in Indy and win one fairly handily (10+ pts). Our O can’t continue to be this bad, whereas our D will continue to be this good.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
i think the answer is simple
Deng and Bogans needs to hit some damn shots. That will open up the floor. Right now as soon as Rose even looks at the lane, Indiana forwards and guards are running in their trying to strip, setting up for charges, etc. That is why Korver has been so wide open to close these games. Indy is completely focused on keeping Rose out of the middle. Extra shooters would also help with what you are talking about – letting Boozer go 1 on 1 in the middle of the floor. Right now when he puts the ball on the floor they are either getting an offensive foul or coming for the strip. He kicks out to guys who can’t hit shots.
Deng and Bogans need to hit shots; more korver, more CJ at the 2, less Brewer (unless he can get his head out of his ass) and a much shorter leach for Bogans
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We haven't seen ANY of CJ at the 2, correct?
I missed part of the first half, but popcornmachine says he and Rose didn’t play together last night. I’d like to see that happen too. I’d even try CJ at point, and have Rose work off screens.
not really.
they were def out there together. i thought it was for longer but i guess it was just that tiny sliver at the end of the game.
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
yeah a minute or so
Thibs doesn’t favor this line a lot
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, we've talked about that on here a few times lately.
I really think Rose could thrive at SG for awhile, making the defense scramble to keep up with him off screens. I’d love to see a rotation of:
1 / 2
Rose / Brewer (Defense)
Rose / Korver
CJ / Rose
CJ / (Brewer or Korver, depending on who needs reset)
ASIK AND DESTROY
And while we're talking lineups.
I would really love to see an experiment, especially if we get a lead, against the Pacers with Noah / Taj / Deng on the front court, and either CJ+Rose or Rose+Korver at the 1 & 2, respectively, as a counter to the lineup the Pacers are bringing.
ASIK AND DESTROY
I disagree at first but with the constant pressure Rose is seeing
maybe putting CJ on the ball frees him up and allows the other Bulls to run some semblance of offense.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass to Korver more yes
And tell him to take some contested shots. If he’s not getting open looks he’s gotta take some that aren’t. He was passing the ball and with Noah doing the same soon all the D has to do is collapse on who has the ball. No one is keeping them honest.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
that's why I like CJ paired with rose
CJ can shoot a 3, can carry the ball and play D
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
also, it seems to me Deng is getting some wide open looks and not getting the passes
But our interior movement is garbage. Deng, Noah and Boozer bump a lot
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Deng and Korver, both.
Korver had a bunch of open looks yesterday where he didn’t get the ball. Deng / Noah / Boozer were all kind of failing on court vision yesterday.
ASIK AND DESTROY
God the interior movement sure is garbage.
Definitely something Thibs needs the team to work on.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I'm starting to think that the Bulls are better off going to Noah in the high post and letting Boozer work off the ball, setting screens and cutting off of them.
Since Boozer’s way better at those things than Noah.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Tim Legler said don't be shocked if it's 2-2 after the weekend.
I got a feeling this series is going 7. Unless the Bulls can play better on the road. I think their crowd is going to be bonkers. This could be a frustrating two games.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
7 games?
The thing is, the Pacers are scrappy, but the Bulls have been playing scrappy for years.
You can’t outscrap an outscrapper! (Plus we have a closer, where as the Pacers don’t have the go to guy)
Bulls in 5.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Crowd will be bonkers, but keep in mind that there will be plenty of Bulls fans in the house.
Indy was last in the league in attendance for a reason after all.
I’m confident that the Bulls can win game 3. The pressure shifts a bit onto the Pacers for that one. They have to win game 3 to have any chance of making this a series.
That crowd is going to sound livelier than the UC
:(
"Are you drowning them or makin' love to them?"
by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's possible but I think getting away from Chicago will help the Bulls.
Like MJ said playing on the road sure can be easier when you’re the favorite. I doubt Indy will change much…they’ve shown they can play the same way pretty much and unfortunately Psycho T will probably do better than the last game next time. But I think the Bulls will relax away from home and only have their teammates to focus on. It’ll sure be fun finding out. They were a bucket away from breaking it open a number of times yesterday…damn sometime they have to break through.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't buy getting away to play in a loud hostile crowd helping a bad offensive team.
Which is what they are right now.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
The Bulls still haven't played a good game
and I don’t think it is because Indiana is forcing mistakes or forcing bad decisions. For example, last night with the turnovers, we had 21, and I would say at least a quarter of them were completely unforced. I expect at least one good game, and at least a split. I also think it is more likely we sweep, than Indiana captures both.
This is a going to be a sweep (maybe 4-1 at worst)
In the worst moments of games 1 and 2, I never felt like it was possible that the Bulls could lose. The Pacers simply do not have the same level of talent as we do.
When the Bulls sweep I'll remind you of this prediction.
If it goes seven I’m sure you’ll remind us.
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Through two games, the Miami Heat have sent a message to the rest of the league and the Chicago Bulls have not. http://tinyurl.com/6z8dt9v
Don't care about Miami's message. Figure out our own probs and beat Indy.
Fuck the Heat. They’re good we know that.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Heat's message is
“The Sixers aren’t any good.”
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Doug Collins agrees with you.
He said after the game if Miami plays well the Sixers can’t beat them. Said it twice. It surely is true but what player is gonna be motivated when their own damn coach doesn’t think they can win?
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
i know - that was a killer statement
i don’t care how true it is, you don’t say that shit. Guys are fighting out there and you just kind of stabbed them in the back. That is the shit that gets Doug Collins fired and causes rifts between he and the players. If I was on that team, I’d be looking at Doug Collins sideways and telling him to keep his mouth shut.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
No shit.
I heard a few people saying he deserved COY and now …shit you gonna vote for a coach who doesn’t think they can win in the playoffs? why the fuck did you take the job then? I know he doesn’t have the talent he needs but man if you believe you will fail you’ve already lost. I sure don’t want him anywhere near my team ever.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he said "they're a better team" not that they can't beat them but yeah, I get what you're saying
"Are you drowning them or makin' love to them?"
by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
foolishness Phila has sent the message that they have no bite.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
whatever
Orlando used to beat everybody easily until the important games while Boston struggled with everybody. In the end Boston had better results.
I guess that’s what you get with D first teams
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You dont win championships sending messages
You win by focusing on basketball. The media scoreboard doesnt count for jack. Just the one on the jumbotron.
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The Heat sent the message that they want one of their Big 3 to get injured by running up the score last game?
I’d like that.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
I have two comments id like to add
1. I Think the Bulls focus TO much on their defense. They forget about their offense which the past couple weeks has looked TERRIBLE putting it kindly. Thank god for Derrick otherwise we would have nothing. They do not move around and cut to the basket enough. They all just stand around and wait for Derrick to make something happened.
2. Dwight Howard needs to be a Bull next year. Him and D Rose would honestly be unstoppable.
"SCAL-A-BRINE!"
CJ Watson says there basically is no offense
There are plays, but it’s really mostly D.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty well put.
And has to change if they are going to get farther than the second round, perhaps first if they don’t wake up.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is the game on NBATV?
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
will it be blacked out locally?
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
no it's still showed locally
blame the Pacers for the bad slot
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
we've got so screwed all series.
12 noon game. 8:30?AND Dick Stockon and Chris Webber was the worst shit I’ve ever heard next to Neil Funk.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
by SoulEater7 on Apr 19, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Webber.
His tangents can be a little eccentric, but he makes sense and he certainly has great insights.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
No one sounds good next to Dick Stockton's corpse.
It’s like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ in the booth.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I like Marv and Reggie.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
So do I but he's gonna broadcast the Knicks until the series is over.
Hopefully we’ll get him after that. Stockton is so horrid.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
There is no reason for Stockton to be employed right now.
That I know.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
I hate Reggie (his voice is awful) plus I still hate him from his Pacer days, but his voice is terrible regardless
I hate Mark Jackson (he says the Joe Obvious call 500 times as if he just came up with the most profound thing, and he’ll repeat it and repeat it again and again.
I do liek Jeff Van Gundy even if he’s histrionic and a seemingly Bulls dissenter the last few years, he’s funny and when he’s trying to make real points instead of the jokes (which he’s good at) he’s good.
Hubie Brown is the best though….and Steve Kerr ain’t bad.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
agree pretty much.
Jackson is obvious and that’s part of Stockton being so awful. He grabs onto any point swing and beats it like a dead horse over and over cause that’s all he knows what to do. That and being unable to see the decimal point on the time clock.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha yeah Stockton's more the latter to me
His voice is solid (a real broadcaster voice, you can see why he made it) and that makes up for his joe obvious comments.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I actually used to like him
When he would broadcast the Bears. I just think he’s past his time and should retire. Perhaps he’s seeing the obvious so much because it’s hard for him to keep up now. His voice is good sure.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Reggie has grown on me.
He has some moments but who doesn’t? Steve Kerr is too vanilla.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
His voice just sucks
And I’ll always remember that bowing thing at either the UC or CHicago Stadium (And how awesome it was when Pipp did it back to them in the playoffs)…..
Plus he was such a whiny b as a player (youtube that clean Tayshawn Prince block in the playoffs in the Pacers last really good year in what 2004 ish before the big brawl, and you’ll be reminded of how freaking annoying Reggie the player was.
Add his voice to that and it’s too much.
His sister surprisingly has a decent broadcaster voice though…
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Webber's ok in the studio
With Barkely, et all, but less so on his feet I’d say.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I have no use for Chris Webber and his side mouth mumbling ass.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Me too but he is at least "ok"
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Yeah. Webber wasn't bad at all. And complimentary of both teams and good basketball plays.
"Are you drowning them or makin' love to them?"
by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 19, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunno saw that last week.
I’m wondering what announcers they will use.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
These games are too close
I think the Pacers are winning the 50/50 battle hands down. They are attacking loose balls. AJ price last night chased Luol Deng into the Bulls corner to save a ball, and then doubled back from behind Deng to force it out of bounds. Deng should have corralled that loose ball in the corner. Just grab it with both hands. You don’t have to tap it to yourself.
If the Bulls show some aggressiveness in the 50/50 game I think we can sweep. It will be tough in Indiana. Vogel has the Pacers playing awesome team basketball. They are sharing the ball at a very high level. The Bulls don’t have much stop that.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I thought AJ Price fouled Luol there
But I agree Bulls need to play with hi energy all game long. Otherwise things will get tough in Indiana.
And yes, this Voger team is much tougher than O’Brian’s team. Their record show it
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we forget that this is a defensive team?
The Bulls’ aren’t the type of team to go up 20 and ride it out. Defensive teams win close battles, that’s how they’re built and that’s how they win. Blowouts usually only happen when everything is going perfect. As we know though, it’s not all been perfect.
But! Both games were personified by anomalous occurrences. Game 1 had the Pacers shooting 56% from beyond the arc and Hansbrough shooting over 50% over 19 shots. Two things that won’t likely happen again. Game 2 had the Bulls committing 22 turnovers, another thing that won’t likely happen again.
I’m not worried. If anything, I’m happy. I’m happy that the Bulls are getting a challenge in the first round. The Bulls have been playing hard all season, and it’s good that they’re not getting a “break” or a “cupcake.” It’ll prove valuable in the coming rounds.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bulls had the 2nd best point differential this season
They had plenty of comfortable wins this season.
Of course.
That total was likely padded against non-playoff teams. Now that the competition is stiffer, of course the games will be closer and the margin for error is smaller.
That, and there’s a case to be made that the Pacers are playing as well as anybody in these playoffs. They’re certainly playing better than the Sixers and the Knicks, two teams that are seeded higher.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Well 0.55 of that season differential came from that 45 pt drubbing of the 76ers.
I thought we had another huge mid 30+ pt win too there….
Those games mask it a bit, more often it seemed we’d have close games and then win in the end by 5-7 pts given Rose’s brilliance.
The reason the differential was so good was because our D was so good and we’d ahve the occasional all clicking game with a random blowout win.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Apr 19, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we had back to back
dominance of the kings and hawks.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
A team that is consistently beating other teams by 20+ points is going to have a better point differential though
Nobody in the NBA consistently wins by 20+ points.
Exactly my point.
And it happens less so in the playoffs. And even less when your team is defensive by nature. Sure, it’d be nice if we were playing with the lead more than we have, but I think “regression to the mean” will fix that. There’s no way we have that many turnovers again, or they shoot like they did in game 1 again.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't saying that
Our pt differential is a bit flawed, I’d say, as it shows the games where everything clicked (we had 8 games of wins by 20+ pts) in those 8 games our pt differential is an amazing +31. Of those teams 3 made the playoffs (all in the East) .
THey were the didn’t care much Hawks
THe pre 100% boguht into Collins’ system 76ers (they beat us twice since)
And the last O’Brien Pacers game.
Excluding the 3 playoff games we won big mentioned above, our +/- in the other 37 games is only 1.8….which seems consistent with how we’ve played this series (our D is awesome, we rarely get blown out and we win it in the end).
It’s the outlier games when everything clicks that have masked that number. Bulls played
One thing that is interesting is that we have a better /- against the West (7.33) than against the East 7.09…
Our +/-
vs East Playoff teams +5.29 over 29 games (those 3 big outlier games above though skewed this, as without those 3 games where everything clicked against the Pacers (Obrien days); 76ers (pre bought in) and Hawks (played crappy the last 15 games) we would have been a +1.33 over 21 games.
Against the West playoff teams we were a +2.8 with no real outlier games….
Against the West non playoff teams we were a +12.5 over 14 games
Against the East non playoff teams we were a +9.14 over 28 games.
I think this shows that the few games we clicked really skew our win’s loss. In general we played more close games and squeaked out a win, but those huge the O is rolling games (our D is typically always very good) We only had 15 games where we gave up 101 pts or more (we actually had a 6.6 +/ in those games).
Conversely we gave up 95 pts or less 54 times, a /- in those games of +12.5
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
sorry
We had a negative 6.6 in games where we gave up 101 pts or more, we were 3-12 in games we gave up 101 pts or more, 0-10 against playoff teams….
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
I def thought they called a travel on Hibbert instead of the O foul.
I was yelling about how stupid Webber was thinking it was an offensive foul. Hibbert did extend that arm a little though.
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
I think that was a make-up call
From a call they did on Noah about a minute earlier.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a foul tho.
They called it on Boozer a couple times in Game 1.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
yep, that's exactly what I thought: "shitty call... like Boozer's on game 1"
Plus I think Noah had 2 clean blocks in the end of the game that were whistled.
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah the second one i think was a foul when see on the replay
the first one was definitely clean.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
*seen
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I agree
I thought they were making up on the two close calls on Noah.
I really thought Hibbert just traveled.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
How can Boozer SEEM bad?
I was thinking he looked good all game. He contributed 17 points and 16 rebounds. I also noticed him closing out on jump shooters much more quickly and tight than he did in game 1. (I’ll bet someone said something to him about that).
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 19, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would happily
take yesterday’s performance from Boozer all playoffs long.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
I knew Boozer would do much better than game 1, and he did on both sides of the ball. He’ll never be what we’d like defensively, but if he can throw up a combined 30 between points and rebounds, he makes up for it.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep and if he gets some help on the floor when he has the ball he'll be even better.
They won’t be able to collapse on him like they did. Have to believe also some of those early easy tips he missed will fall.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
They were able to collapse on him
because no one was keeping them honest on the perimeter.
Wait until we get a Deng game, and Boozer gets a lot more room.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen.
That would surely help. Deng seems so consumed by playing D he can’t move fast enough on offense. Or something…he’s disappearing for long stretches on offense.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
He did a good job of mind fucking Hansbrough.
All game he was staring shit with him.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
hah! I was thinking the same thing during the game!
#10 You will be missed.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 19, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
This series DEFINITELY has that undercurrent.
Even though McRoberts is from Duke, but that’s neither here nor there …
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yep if he can get close to that next game again it'll help a lot.
Hansbrough had a great first game, bad second. No coincidence of course that Boozer scored more in the second. It’ll help a lot if Booze can keep Hansbrough close to game 2.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Loved that
You have to out pyscho Psycho T. Just crash into his body on every possession. Make him feel it. Make him flop. He desperately wants to flop to get you on the bench.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Apr 19, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
and yelled a lot
even for Boozer’s standard
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
cuz it makes no sense if he's a double double guy
that makes the other player look like a double double guy.
lemme stop there. i need a lucy
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the same way Rose SEEMS like MVP?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That picture of Collison is classic.
LOL keep on rolling because I’m behind my box.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
I love the caption.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
What a depressing post
Now Tayne I can get into.
Nobody can beat the Bulls when they outrebound their opponent so emphatically.
It doesn’t matter if its the Pacers or the Celtics, when the Bulls get a +22 rebound advantage, there is no way the other team is going to win.
I went to sleep hating boozer
and i woke up hating boozer. this is my life
The Dramas Pitifull - Giddy
Lighten up
Booz did what he is paid to do. To be honest the Shittiest defensive play of the night belongs to Rose.
Once again he turned his back during a buzzer beater shot and TJ Ford nailed it
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
cmon, thats not the worst defensive play of the night, that's luck.
You can prevent Ford from getting a clean look, but its still luck when it goes in.
Boozer had the worst defensive plays of the night. Like not even realizing when someone’s driving to the hoop.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't even bother to try to stop that shot
Sure it was luck but Rose did just that less than a month ago and the ball went in. He need to stop doing it. This is just lazy. Rose has been terrific on offense but has some lapses on D. AJ Price had a couple on his face again.
I know we are asking too much of him but plays like that TJ basket is just a matter of staying in front of his man
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Rose getting a pass (or hundreds)
but Booz didn’t fool anyone. He played as good D as he can (which is bullshit). Taj can come in when we need. Taj is doing well
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bulls will blow out the Pacers in one of these next two games.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions
I think the same thing. I honestly feel going on the road is going to help them. I think they’ll split these next two games, but one win is going to be convincing.
Games 3/4 will be equally tough
This is the Pacer’s championship, and it’s hard to kill a team’s heart that is so happy to lose as long as it’s not a blowout.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 19, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Thibs recognizes that they need to break the trap better, so we'll see Watson and Brewer at the two.
It’s too clear an issue for a coach like Thibs to ignore. If they get Rose some help on the traps, the Bulls can turn a game into a blowout really quickly.
Remember the third quarter last night? The Bulls were on the verge of blowing that game wide open. A few stupid turnovers and a lucky heave by TJ Ford later, and it’s tied after three quarters.
The Pacers still have a lot of fight left in them, yes, but the Bulls are the superior team. It’s time for them to start imposing their will, and doing it on the road is a great way to showcase that dominant mindset.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
"see Watson and Brewer at the two *more often*"
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought of that after game 1.
they didnt. >.<
At least the Bulls are a good road team now
26-15 was good enough for 4th in the NBA, behind the Heat, Mavs and Lakers.
When the Bulls become a 48-minute team, they’ll be awfully good, because the current 5-minute team is up 2-0 on the Pacers.
lol
the current 5-minute team is up 2-0 on the Pacers.
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Our 5-minute differential
is crazy
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
Pacers doing much good D on Rose
which resulted 36 points, from 39 in game 1. A minus 3. They’ll take it. They have no choice. lol
Not a good trend
I would be skeptical about this trend being a winning formula for the Bulls. Sure, they’ve won two so far by playing tough defense down the stretch and relying on D-Rose to carry the team. Sounds like a good plan. But they have played two very, very close games against an under-.500 team on their home floor so far in the playoffs. If the opponent were the Celtics or the Magic, I’m not sure the Bulls pull it out because they’d be down by too much when it gets to crunch time. The Bulls have to play better for the first 45 minutes of the game to make their late-game formula work against elite teams. Something has to change. Check out the breakdown of their performance:
http://sportstatistics.blogspot.com/2011/04/al-east-notes-pitching-panic-in-new.html
The Bulls knew who they were during the season.
They played like underdogs and beat everybody to be on top. Now with the last two games they still seem to be trying to figure out how to play like a dominant team. It sounds silly but I think they got used to being the one overachieving. Now that everyone is looking at them, they seem lost.
Nice analysis by Granger
"It’s disappointing," said Pacers star Danny Granger, who led Indiana with 19 points. "I feel like it’s the sequel to the Derrick Rose show again. We held them to 38 percent shooting. That’s usually a winning stat. We forced 21 turnovers (for 26 points). That’s usually a winning stat. The difference was the offensive rebounding (20-9 and 57-33 overall), which was created because Derrick Rose got into the lane too much. And his free throw attempts. He shot 13.
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
lol
better than the 21 he shot in game 1 ;)
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Unfortunately for Danny the final score is usually the winning stat that trumps all.
by fredv21 on Apr 19, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually enjoy his candidness.
He doesn’t just give you the boilerplate answers like most players.
by bleigh82 on Apr 19, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like his thoughts more than his game
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He makes a good point
If only the Pacers 6’8" forward could do better than 2 rebounds in 35 minutes.
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Granger is pretty smart for a guy whose game is nothing but contested jumpers.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, he figured out where the money is
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Hes missing the point where..
The Pacers are playing out of their minds and the Bulls are playing like shit and they have still lost two straight.
Sweep.
Lu-Deng Clan Aint Nuttin ta Fuck Wit !
He's got two days off.
He may not be 100% but he’ll be back. We have to game plan to stop him cause it sure did get easier when he was gone…though we still didn’t take advantage as we should.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Collison back in there.
First and foremost because I hate seeing a player get injured over something so stupid, but also because I don’t ever want to hear about how the Bulls couldn’t have won had Collison been playing.
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by JStymie on Apr 19, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I hope he comes back too.
Such a dumb injury and to arguably their most important player. The Bulls are going to win this series regardless, I wish it didn’t have to come with that caveat of Collison not being there.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 19, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
"I don’t ever want to hear about how the Bulls couldn’t have won had Collison been playing."
That stuff annoys me, too, but once the second round is underway, there’s no way anybody really cares about that.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Teams should be at full strength.
Fuck that cameraman.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
Fuck the NBA for allowing cameramen
or fuck Collison for being clumsy. The cameraman was exactly where he was allowed to be, didn’t do anything wrong.
Yeah, the NBA.
It’s just that people are scared of the unknown. What I have seen of him is exactly what we need and I can’t believe he isn’t being at least gotten some burn after all we’ve seen. -SoulEater7
Boozer's take
lol
"The second half they paid more attention to me," said Boozer. "Then we got the ball in the MVPs hands and he took over, which is normal for us."
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
See? This is why I can't hate Boozer too much.
Sometimes I want to slap him upside the head, especially on defense, but the guy is a beast on the boards and he’s a terrific goddamn teammate. He knows his role.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wonder what Melo would do
take the ball out of Rose’s hands and play hero ball probably
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Speaking of Melo, tonight's a HUGE game for him, at least in terms of perception in the NY media.
Another choke job, and he might as well beg to be traded to Miami, where no one really cares about basketball all that much.
You want to be Bernard King, Melo? Go win this series.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true.
And to me with Billups gone for this game he’ll be needed even more to score and play defense as well as pass in the clutch when he doesn’t have a shot.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Shots?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Knicks are gonna lose by 15 if that happens
book it
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
Close.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
honestly i dont believe that dwade lebron or melo
would be able to have that kind of freedom under thibs.
The quest for seven is on.
I'm 30 feet from the basket and Toney Douglas is wide open at the three point line
TIME TO SHOOT
[clink]
HOW DID I MISS I WAS SO OPEN
MANNNN
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As we had to Indiana I wonder if the Pacers can do any better
They are giving everything out there.
Sure those were close games and couple of Rose’s misses could turn the game in their favor. But can Indiana make things even harder?
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Probably being at home.
They’re playing with house money as no one expects anything. I don’t see their play changing much at least I doubt they suddenly feel deflated unless we stomp on them 2 games straight. You can see it with the constant rotations…new player comes in and hits his perimeter shot almost every time it seems. No pressure on failing.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
True. The Pacers will bring the effort and the energy.
It’s up to the Bulls to play like the better team.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol...god.
my bad. If we stomped on them 2 games straight it would be over…….
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm starting to think it's true that the Bulls will play better on the road.
If it really is nerves, etc causing the sloppy play and bad offense, a road game might not be so bad. Not worrying about letting down the UC fans and being back in the situation that seems to pump them up the best — being the team with something to prove.
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Indy Cornrows has some great analysis of the game again on their site.
Fans are very enthusiastic about their chances there and why not. They earned it.
But also this from the game summary:
That’s when the replay of Game 1 happened. Derrick Rose took over, willed his team to a five-point lead cut to 2 when A.J. Price hit a buzzer beating three. But it wasn’t a minute later that it happened again: Kyle Korver drilled the dagger.* Thanks in addition to a pair of questionable calls against Indiana*, Chicago once again escaped with a hard-earned victory.
There were some questionable calls of course on both sides, I surely don’t see how anyone would think the officials were on our side though. If you’re going to say this stuff , provide examples on both teams.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
yeah I thoughts were plain bad
as usual
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You want to be like Mike?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
that made me
miss the 90s
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
This one
Made me think a little about the Rose vs. MJ debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6nljThMtEc&NR=1
sure would be nice to have a Pippen on the wing to score. Just maybe Deng can step up.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
so i went to sleep
and had a dream that the bulls made their free throws last night and the game wasnt even close
The quest for seven is on.
They made their last 16.
The Chicago Bulls....have a young star, Derrick Rose, who must learn to live with the tearing down of his MVP candidacy as rapidly as he constructed it. - Woj
but early in the game i really felt it cost us
im too lazy to look it up but booz missed at least 4-5 free throws early when the lead was going back and forth and i feel that really hurt us early. the longer we allow them to hang around early the more confidence they gain as the game goes on.
The quest for seven is on.
It definitely made it difficult to break the game open in the first half.
I kept looking at the score and counting the missed free throws realizing we should be ahead by this many damn points. Glad to see they picked it up in the second half. Well said sin.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not concerned about how close these games are
Indiana’s point differential for the season was -1.1. If you put any validity in that number, it means that the Pacers generally lose but don’t get blown out. They have size, some guys who can score and (in this series anyway) hustle. That will keep you in games, if not win them. This “sky is falling” concern that some people have because the team isn’t winning by 30 is really overblown.
by Stay Chisel on Apr 19, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You make some good points here.
However, they aren’t so good that our offense should be stymied so much. Having no options open or working on offense besides Rose…or having to throw it to Boozer then circle around him futilely isn’t going to work against better teams going forward. That’s what needs to be cleaned up to me and I don’t think we are going to be a threat for either finals until we do.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't mean that at all
-1.1 really only means they spent an entire season scoring fewer points than they allowed.
The Bulls’ point differential for the season was 7.1, which also doesn’t indicate they won every game by 7 or 8 points.
by kbukie on Apr 19, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why is it when im watching slam dunk
that it reminds me of Booz and or Jo? lol
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Looking through the Bulls' lineups for these two games...
Lineups with: Rose + Deng and no Bogans:
32 minutes, outscoring Pacers 91-62. That’s a 136 ORating and a 98 DRating.
All other lineups:
64 minutes, getting outscored 109-127, for a 93 ORatng and 106 Drating.
by YaoPau on Apr 19, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Actually I can tighten that up even more
When Brewer and Bogans are both on the bench, the Bulls are +27 in 23 minutes. 145 ORating, 102 DRating.
All other lineups: -16 in 73 minutes. 96 ORating, 104 DRating.
It’s essentially fundamentallysound’s point before the 2nd game, that the Pacers don’t have a defensive answer for a Rose/Korver backcourt. I think Brewer’s great, and I think Bogans is more playable than the general opinion here, but it’s all about matchups in a playoff series, and playing a non-scorer next to Rose plays right into Vogel’s defensive strategy.
by YaoPau on Apr 19, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well Brewer had a really bad game last night
below his average I would say. Still I like the Korver solution for this game and the CJ backcourt even more (as Korver D gives me shivers)
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
It's an awful matchup for Brewer
The thumb thing might be an issue in itself, but Brewer’s game is running the baseline on cuts and shutting down scoring SGs. George/Dunleavy/Rush aren’t scoring threats, and with the Pacers packing the lane every play there’s no room for Brewer.
IMO the benefit of the Bulls’ bench flexibility is potentially huge: they can match up with any style of play because Korver is so different from Brewer, Taj is so different from Boozer, Kurt is so different from Noah, and they’re all good. But if Thibs starts playing Brewer just cause he’s a rotation player, despite the matchup being horrible, it becomes a negative. I’m fine with Bogans starting, but Korver+Watson can handle the rest of the SG minutes. Thibs has been matching Luol’s minutes with Granger’s, maybe playing Brewer on Granger is an option if he wants to get Ronnie minutes.
Agree completely
Having Brewer out there also makes it extremely difficult for Boozer to take advantage of the Pacers frontcourt since Brewer has a really hard time making that post entry pass.
Pat Riley is the devil.
yeah totally agree
and i mean i dont get why you WOULDNT play korver.
i mean its not like they have some super awesome 2 guard that is going to go off for 30 against korver
The quest for seven is on.
yeah
I remember at the start of the season being really excited about the prospect of a platoon of korver and brewer at the 2, where brewer would start against Kobe, Wade, Ray Allen, etc., and Korver would start against these teams with SGs that aren’t as big a threat to score in isolation.
Instead, we have an unchanging rotation that has Bogans in it.
I felt the same way
Play either Brewer or Korver, depending on matchups. Bogans is still a 12th man.
Recrecrec
I also feel that we can get away playing Korver a lot more. As long as we have someone to put on Granger, they can’t make us pay too hard for playing Korver heavy minutes.
by Thrustacular on Apr 19, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty surprising
that the DRating goes down with Korver out there and Brewer on the bench. Though I suppose there was that 16 to 1 run in the first game that must have been all KK.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
There are so many comments here.
Who’s comments should I gloss over, who’s should I read, seriously?
I guess you should read the Tribune or something like it
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by JustAnotherFan on Apr 19, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
you just read the first comment to see if the topic interests you, then let that dictate whether you read the responses
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
silly yfbb
Another fun part about the playoffs is that we have a couple days off to discuss it.
off days arent for discussing things
theyre for naptime
The quest for seven is on.
by sin on Apr 19, 2011 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Meh, I refuse to worry until we actually lose a game
What is it, 11 in a row now?
A few changes would be nice though:
- Not sure why Derrick and Booze NEVER work that pick and roll together. It would probably help rose out a little if he became a bit more of a threat as a passer in the halfcourt instead of a guy that only passes as a bailout option when there’s 4 guys waiting for him at the rim. That’s not a criticism of Rose at all, he’s been fucking spectacular, but I just think it could help make things easier.
- What ever happened to using Noah out of the high post to initiate offense? I know that was more of a Vinny thing, but I always liked that as a change of pace to Derrick constantly having to do things. Plus, with this current team that is so good at cutting, slashing and passing, you would think it would work out well. Particularly when Brewer is on the floor.
- I really hope Thibs hasn’t completely ditched Omer. He could really help in the later rounds.
- I thought this was an interesting take from Mike Wilbon:
Don’t waste time with the argument that it’s only the Pacers, the seven-games-under-.500 Pacers because the Pacers have a better roster by miles better than fourth-seeded Orlando and play with a passion the Atlanta Hawks couldn’t possibly understand. Whichever of those two the Bulls get in the second round won’t come close to testing the Bulls the way the Pacers will over this series.
Don’t think I totally agree with that, but I found it oddly reassuring. Plus, I have a hard time believing that this 62 win Bulls team is struggling so badly against a team that is as bad as their 37 wins would imply. They have to be pretty good.
- Lastly, Dick Stockton is so bad, it seriously seems fake at times. His games almost feel like an Saturday Night Live sketch. After some of his mistakes I expected C Webb to say: “Live from New York, it’s Saturday Night!” At one point last night I think he called CJ Watson “CJ Wasselgang”. (Seriously. It was at the beginning of the second quarter I think)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling similar to Wilbon. I just think the Bulls will be better in the second round.
There are too many freelancers on ATL and ORL, too many guys who are satisfied with jacking up shots from anywhere, which plays into the Bulls’ able defensive hands. The Pacers are playing as a unit and they’re giving max effort to make up for their relative lack of talent. This holds especially true if the Bulls draw the Hawks in the next round. Beating the Magic and making up for that embarrassing sweep last year will be enough for a lot of those guys (except for Capt. Kirk, of course).
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just think there's a variety of strange factors at work here
They can still lose in the next round to a good Orlando team, but I still wouldn’t think this series was an indicator.
The only result that would have me worried is if the Pacers easily win the next game. That would probably mean that these games here weren’t a fluke. If we win fairly comfortably in game three, this was all worrying over nothing
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
What if we get beat handily in game 4?
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
Depends on the result of game three obviously
if we win game three easily, then take our foot off the pedal in game 4 while the Pacers still wanna fight, that’s not a big deal.
Game three is big because we KNOW both teams will be trying as hard as they can to win that game. We’re gonna take the Pacers’ best shot in front of their home crowd. if they’re able to beat us easily, that’s not a good sign (imo)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. A 12+ point victory in game three would be sublime.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Pacers are better than there record indicates.
Ever since they made the coaching chance, they’ve gone 20-18. Pacers may play harder, but Magic/Hawks have more talent. I still think Talent trumps passion, most times.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 19, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And I agree with the Rose/Boozer tidbit.
It seems that Rose only looks to find Deng when they’re running the halfcourt sets.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 19, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not enough people to me are giving the Pacers credit. I respect this team they’re certainly have odd matchups.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
I don't know about that.
There are people all throughout this thread talking about how flat out impressed they are with the Pacers — I have been, too. But it’s not JUST the Pacers being impressive that are making these close games. It’s 6 of the Bulls not playing well, half a dozen of the Pacers playing impressively.
The thing is, the Bulls could have won by 15 last night with the Pacers still playing really playing well. Take away some of the early bad FT shooting, get rid of a few of the bad misses on wide-open shots, and a few small tweaks like Noah not missing that layup on the inbounds with 4 seconds to shoot.
Just a few small changes, and now it’s a 10-15 point game, and I think that’s where people expect us to be. And that is not taking ANYTHING away from the Pacers, they are playing great and really impressing me. But it’s not entirely because of Pacers that we shot 30% for a good chunk of the game.
ASIK AND DESTROY
They've set up to run the PnR on multiple occasions
It just never works. Either Boozer slips it when Rose isn’t expecting him to or Rose just tries to blow by everyone in either direction (obviously he’s good enough to have success doing that, though), but they just never get to that point where Boozer successfully picks Rose’s guy and the defending big has to make that decision on whether to stay home or step up on Rose.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yeah, that's the more accurate way to put it
I guess I should have said the need to get better at pnr. (Also be nice to see some more drive and kicks from Rose)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with a lot and well ,you said a lot.
few notes…
Stockton plays up any swing in score and makes it dramatic. I think this is because he’s too slow these days to keep up well and it’s all he can really handle to sell the game. Please someone buy him some glasses so he can see where the decimal point is with the clock. Game or time he can’t see it correctly.
I did see Noah get the ball a lot high out of the post so your note here seems smart. He had no confidence to drive the lane or take a shot most of the time so if they do indeed feed him the ball there…and he stands around, back to the basket looking to pass while they collapse on him…well the team needs to practice that and either getting open for him or demand he take a shot or drive after a few seconds. He’d hold the ball then pass late and a forced shot was often the result.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i feel bad for Collinson
but that picture and caption are hilarious. If/when the Bulls win the series, we seriously need a gallery of Pacers players in pain.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 19, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
heh
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
LOL
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I am enjoying.
It’s called ‘zefence’ and the way to stop it is to not score the entire second quarter
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Steve Kerr just said...
This could be a changing of the guard year but that Boston is the favorites (he’s doing that series) then he mentioned a bunch of young teams could come and take the title in which he mentions OKC, Miami and DENVER… my question is..
WHATS FUCK IS HE TALKING ABOUT? Does Kerr has something against the Bulls? I’ve never felt he’s embraced his time here. Maybe he just didn’t wanna look like a homer.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Do you think the Bulls have shown in the first two playoff games that they deserve to be considered finals winners?
Other teams have been playing better right now.
ASIK AND DESTROY
all that matters is that they win.
I mean Miami blows out the Sixers and now they’re the best team in the NBA but everyone knows they have holes. I don’t know. I don’t like Kerr really.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Did Denver?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I could explain it better.
I’m not saying I think Denver is a better team, but that’s what I think he’s thinking. Just because we won and Denver lost doesn’t mean anything; Denver is playing the freaking OKC Thunder, you can’t compare that to playing the Pacers.
Notice he didn’t list San Antonio or the Lakers, either. I’m guessing he’s just looking at the way teams played in the first 1-2 games and rattled off a list based on that.
ASIK AND DESTROY
Could be that it just slipped his mind?
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It's TV. People flub stuff all the time.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's more that he doesn't think the Bulls are that good because they can barely beat the Pacers.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Meh. That might be it.
It’s nothing to get bent out of shape about, though.
But really, at this stage, it doesn’t matter how the Bulls are winning, it’s that they’re winning.
The pundits can say whatever they want now, but they’ll be all about the Bulls’ “grittiness” and “determination” if they end up hoisting the O’Brien trophy come June.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Kerr has been very hesitant to praise the Bulls all year
I really don’t think it hasa anything to do with being anti-Bulls, I think it’s just that he doesn’t trust or like the team. The reason that he hasn’t been more openly critical is probably because he DOES like the city
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm I don't know... he speaks every now and then positive about the 90's teams.. but
the other night he said those years are getting foggy to him now? Seriously? How could that shit get foggy? To pick Boston after they just barely beat the Knicks at home. Whatever. I think it’s just the safe pick for him and his career to stay respected. I find him wishy washy at times.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
It was like...uh...15 years ago.
He has had a GM job, national writing and announcing gigs. Remember, these guys lives are much more fulfilling than ours, lol.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he was just.. saying it to appease Marv.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
My life is fulfilling!
(Cries violently)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Just remember,
a lot of these people are bankrupt by 35, for what its worth. Thank endemic social problems for a little bit of redemption.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard his comment that the 90's championship years were "foggy"
I didn’t think anything of it. These guys have to talk constantly, and I doubt they think too hard about everything they say. Hey, I still remember Kerr grabbing MJ during one of those post-finals celebrations, and in a moment of spraying champagne and Jordan-worship said for the cameras, “YOU’RE FUCKING INCREDIBLE, MAN!” That’s not a moment you can forget.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe on TV, but on the Simmons podcasts he was head over heels about Chicago and Rose.
This is just more pointless SoulEater babble, not as retarded as “James Johnson should start trade Deng” but still dumber than “Rasual Butler is our key to a championship.”
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 19, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
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AND THAT PERSON IS ON TELEVISION
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 19, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take your riddlin matthew.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
calmer than you are
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He also said that he didn't think anyone could beat Boston in a seven game series this year
Which means I’ll just go ahead and disregard his opinion for the foreseeable future (even though I love Kerr and think he does great work. But, the Celtics? C’mon, what are you watching?)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he forgot they won't have home court after the first round?
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Or he just forgot that the Bulls and Heat were way better?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
How do you forget that.. it’s your freaking job. Maybe it’s just because he’s in Boston right now.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
I can respect his hesitancy to give up on the Celtics.
No, they haven’t looked great recently, but they made a run all the way to game 7 of the Finals last year after looking like shit in the final stretch of the regular season. Now, anyone can see that their team chemistry and interior toughness isn’t what it used to be, but they’ve proven to be a tough, resourceful team in the playoffs these past three years.
And you have to figure that Kerr, who was himself a veteran contributor on some veteran title teams, has a soft-spot for gritty old veteran squads?
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it's the safe conservative pick.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
I guess
But if people always used hat logic they would just keep picking whoever won the year before (which a lot of these guys actually do)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just find it hard to believe after the year they've had and the game they played(which they should have lost)
while the Heat and Bulls are drastically better AND have home court that Boston is the favorite to win the East. Silly.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
You are correct. That's what a lot of those guys do.
And Kerr is one of those guys.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The celtics have been to the finals two times in the last three years,
won one and took another to seven games. They have also overcome some long close series. I am sure the media will revise their opinions if the Heat come and blow them out in game one.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Even Doc Rivers has admitted that this year's team is totally different
I guess if Jermaine O Neal plays out of his mind for the rest of the playoffs, like he did in game one, they have a shot, but I’ve seen nothing to think they’re capable of taking out the Bulls, let alone the freight train that is the Miami Heat. I guess I’m just not the guy that says: “Until I see them lose, I’m going with (insert past champion/good team)”
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess older teams can thrive in the playoffs because of the amount of time between games.
That makes sense.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
Well, that makes more sense than the "They've been there before" arguments at least
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That's pretty damn odd. He just said that today?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that feels like our series is being treated like second rate?
I mean we win the first seed and have seriously got shafted on some scheduling and announcers.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
We're the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.
Nothing new. I guess everyone expected that we would blowout the Pacers so they didn’t really pay attention.
No. I feel the same way.
And I couldn’t be happier about it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The Pacers aren't going to draw a lot of viewers.
That is likely the sole reason.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all bout the Pacer small market/suckiness
You don’t think TNT or ESPN would like to feature the Chicago Bulls? There’s just not enough interest in a 1-8 matchup, when one of the teams is the Pacers
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's clear the NBA doesn't think much of our chances.
Which seems to be correlated to respect from the refs. Haven’t won a series in a long time…they’re not impressed. Gotta earn it I suppose. That and we’re playing the Pacers so they don’t think many will be watching.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 19, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
What will it take for Bulls fans to become less paranoid?
Rose is about to win MVP, Thibs could get COY, we got the first seed and we have gotten good treatment from the refs so far. The indignation is pretty surprising in general. This is comment is a bit meta, so I apologize if its off topic.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
Anything can happen.
The Mavs had the MVP with Dirk and they were the best team in the league but they got eliminated during the first round. That’s always gonna stick in your mind. MVP, COY, No.1 seed don’t mean shit in the playoffs. It’s a clean slate.
Well said.
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We are up 2-0, and despite the closeness,
there hasn’t been any indication that this is like the GSW-Mavs series. And I am as much referring to the paranoia about league perception, (being misrepresented by various journalists, getting bad scheduling, etc.) as fear about this series (though that is a bit bizarre as well). In a short sighted way, we forget that the Lakers started 4-2 against the Thunder, the Celtics 4-3 against the Hawks, the heat 4-2 against the Baby Bulls, all before going on to win championships.
I think we are underestimating the drive of any team getting an opportunity in the playoffs, the difficulty of starting any run—especially the first for a team like the bulls—and the dynamism of any playoff series (i.e. maybe statistics didn’t accurately represent the differential quality of the Bulls players against the Pacers players; including their health, match-ups, etc.—and no, I don’t this can be reasonably demanded of statistical representation).
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Diving into someones psyche
especially concerning paranoia is tricky. The whole Mavs/GSW scenario is just one example. The whole being misrepresented by various journalists, getting bad scheduling, etc. is part of it. The Bulls didn’t really have any of those issues last year. All people were thinking of was how to stop LeBron.
Like I said in the last post. It’s a clean slate. But the achievements of that season creates expectations. More expectations. More pressure. More to lose. It’s like LOTR. The closer you get to that damn ring, the crazier and more paranoid you get about things.
It’s honestly hard to say if we’re underestimating other teams. We’ve been in the same spot as them before so you would think the Bulls wouldn’t make that mistake. But everyone from analysts to fans keep saying the Pacers had zero chance. That might have gotten to the players. Once you think you can’t be beat that’s when you’re must vulnerable.
So expect more paranoia from everyone.
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KC says Bulls will lose game 3.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
So the org wants to tamp down expectations, eh?
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just saw that too
He also said that Brewer was really bothered by the thumb. Can someone explain how a guy that barely ever takes a jump shot can have his game so badly affected by a thumb injury? I’m not saying that to rip Brew, cause I love the guy, but I think it’s more of a case of him just playing bad.
(And he’s not a rebounder/banger like Noah where the thumb would be hindrance either. For those that want to bring that up)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Apr 19, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I had no idea Brewer was playing that bad. I just thought he was barely playing.
and Hansbrough was eating... he was eating chocolate chip cookies with a fork.
he had that one dunk in the game last night
where it looked like he dunked the ball pretty hard and grabbed the rim. i was like um dude isnt your thumb going to hurt? throw it down softer!
The quest for seven is on.
I know he bobbled a pass on a cut in game 1 that would've led to a score
Rest the guy. The Bulls will need him against Jason Richardson or Joe Johnson.
Think about catching a basketball
or dribbling a basketball. Your thumb is affected by these actions …
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Just posted a playoff-thread Fanpost. Have at it!
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
Nevermind. Someone beat me to the punch.
Have at it, anyway!
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by ColonelFatheart on Apr 19, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Knocking on wood as we speak but 91 bulls results
The Bulls charged through the playoffs, sweeping New York, beating Philadelphia in five games and then dethroning Detroit with a four-game sweep to move into the NBA Finals against the Los Angeles Lakers with an 11-1 mark.
It was billed as a matchup between superstars Jordan and Magic Johnson, but even though the Lakers won the series opener on Sam Perkins’ last-season three-pointer, Los Angeles was no match for the raging Bulls. Chicago won the next four games in a row to win the first championship in its 25-year history, and Jordan was voted NBA Finals MVP. Chicago’s 15-2 playoff slate matched the 1989 Pistons for the second-best in NBA history by percentage (.880), behind only 1983 Philadelphia’s 12-1 (.920). It would be the first of three consecutive titles for Jordan and the Bulls.
As long as the current bulls are getting wins, I would LOVE for history to repeat itself.
Half a sig that's ridic
Well, maybe we should look at the two years before, when they lost to the Pistons.
Or possibly find a team that is more similarly constructed. The Pistons first championship or the Sixers finals run with Iverson are possibilities.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
probably
but since everyone brings up the 90-91 bulls, I had to do some research :)
Half a sig that's ridic
Just an incomparably beastly team.
So much so I try to put them out of my mind a bit.
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by Morphic Resident on Apr 19, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather pretend the bulls are going to win by 50 every game no matter what
Screw the rules!!!
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anyone also think that Deng should sometimes shoot long jumpers?
everytime he’s got the ball, he’s driving the ball (except for an open 3). i like his aggresiveness but i think sometimes you also should have versatility in your game. he will be much difficult to defend if he can shoot those long Js also.
Open 3s only
Drive everything else
by californiachicagoan on Apr 19, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way, I just did some advanced scouting by asking questions over at Pinstripe Post.
Their assessment: Dwight is god. Jameer and J.J. are Okay. And everyone else sucks.
The secret for getting information off them is to say that Dwight deserves the MVP over Rose.
gimme my paycheck yfbb!
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 19, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
and someone seriously asked me over their if 'Bogans deserved DPY'
Thank you Dr. Jack, for spreading the false word. Eventually, he’ll have Battier’s reputation.
by LoveForTheGame on Apr 19, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe complete with an egghead expose in the NYT Magazine dedicated to his unsung greatness
like the one Michael Lewis did on Battier. Did anybody ever read that? It’s kind of interesting.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Apr 19, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, everybody already knew that
Actually, Bass is OK too. THEY WERE HIDING A SECRET WEAPON
It’s just that people are scared of the unknown. What I have seen of him is exactly what we need and I can’t believe he isn’t being at least gotten some burn after all we’ve seen. -SoulEater7
Is anyone else concerned?
I’ve been reading through lots of comments and it seems that not a lot of people are concerned about the next 2 rounds, especially round 3. Most likely, we will face Miami and if we keep playing like we’ve played the last 2 games, there is no way we can take Miami.
I cant help but to think if the bulls can’t beat the fricken pacers, how are we going to beat Miami or Boston? I realize these bottom seeders are playing hard, like they have a lot to prove, but shouldn’t we? We have more doubters than probably any other team and we have a top spot to defend..it just seems the team overall is acting like we are in the PLAYOFFS. I am scared to think of what would happen if Rose was having an off game! It seems like it’s a one (or two at the most) man show. Brewer? Deng? Taj? What’s going on with the bench mob???
Yup.
I’m already preparing for the draft.
/endsarcasm
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by RogersPark Kris on Apr 20, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Pacers in -4
It’s just that people are scared of the unknown. What I have seen of him is exactly what we need and I can’t believe he isn’t being at least gotten some burn after all we’ve seen. -SoulEater7
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