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Bulls are the team with the highest chance of winning it all now, at 18.1% chance. I like those odds a lot better than 1.7%.

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No, he isn't.

He loves the Bulls. He just thinks Rose gets way too much credit for their success.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Well the way he's playin now.... we'll lately,

he has been given a little too much credit. But still he deserves the most credit. Bulls bench too!

"Time to nut up of shut up."

by panduh on Mar 8, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Can, yes. Will? That's harder to say.

After all, even Hollinger’s predictions, which do not take into account the Bulls’ lack of playoff experience, only gives them an 18.1% chance of winning it all. Right now, no one is a prohibitive favorite.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

why are you always a voice of reason and rationality?

let us enjoy our ignorance and unified hate for hollinger

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

His projections also don't take into account the injuries to Boozer and Noah

Had they been healthy all season, it’s reasonable to believe that we might be seeing more than 18.1%. That said, I’ll happily take 18.1

by Diz on Mar 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If anything

I think Rose is more excited than ever to take on the challenge of the playoffs. He seems to welcome every challenge that comes his way lately. I have much more faith in our chances now than I can remember since the Jordan era.

by macjack09 on Mar 8, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It doesn't compare to the experience found on the Celtics or Lakers.

And the shaky road record of the Bulls leads me to believe that they can get rattled.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is not the topic at all.

Road to the Division Title Assassination Missions:

Hornets: Mission Accomplished. Slow and steady wins the race... but it's less fun.
Bobcats:
Hawks:
Jazz:

Division Title Magic Number: 3

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 8, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't understand.

I thought we were talking about comparative playoff experience and how it will affect the Bulls chances of winning it all this year — something not included in Hollinger’s rankings.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

You just threw in 'comparative'

when originally it was only stated as a general ‘lack.’ :-P
Also, you can partially attribute the weak road records to playing without the full compliment of guys in the starting line up.

Road to the Division Title Assassination Missions:

Hornets: Mission Accomplished. Slow and steady wins the race... but it's less fun.
Bobcats:
Hawks:
Jazz:

Division Title Magic Number: 3

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 8, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll be careful to say "comparative lack

of playoff experience" from now on. And I’ll keep a close eye on the road record the next 20 games,.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Bullslikebeingconsideredthe underdog.

After all, Rose made a commercial talking about how he doesn’t believe in having to fail before you succeed. Well, yeah, you already did, Derrick.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't remember ever seeing anyone reach 50% on championship odds in his formula.

Top teams that are “favored” to win it all generally hover around 20%, +/- a few percentage points. At least, that’s my recollection (buttressed by a spin around the Wayback Machine).

by arjoseph on Mar 8, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I as well. Tom Thibodeau is the best coach in basketball by a wide margin.

It’s hard to pick against a guy like Thibodeau in a seven game series, as you know he is going to completely dominate the coaching battle, even against Phil Jackson and Popovich imo.

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by Andrew7 on Mar 8, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Woah

Let’s wait and see,

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

by macjack09 on Mar 8, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

It’s a pretty old-fashioned expression. I thought everyone had heard it by now.

Road to the Division Title Assassination Missions:

Hornets: Mission Accomplished. Slow and steady wins the race... but it's less fun.
Bobcats:
Hawks:
Jazz:

Division Title Magic Number: 3

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 8, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea, in retrospect it seems simple, but yea I really don’t remember this being said. It was a very appropriate response tho.

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, how do you spend so much time here? (Not saying you don’t work but you clearly are a more regular poster). Is it while the hygienist is working?

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa.

I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 8, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Bulls win it'll be a combination of things

coming together and better better than someone else’s parts.

We have a great coach but probably not the best coach. We have a great player, but probably not the greatest player (from a pure bball perspective).

We have a great frontcourt, but probably not the greatest frontcourt.

What we doe have is the best defense in basketball, and a deep bench, our parts together give me much hope.

It’s not any one thing.

"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan

by MRubio52 on Mar 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm. We'll see about that.

Give it some time, man. Sheesh!

"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"

by ColonelFatheart on Mar 8, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn

I was hoping to keep that low key role we’ve been playing all season at least till the playoffs start. Oh well, guess Rose is going to have to do Rose and Thibs is going to continue to have to work magic with defense.

by macjack09 on Mar 8, 2011 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

There's a weird perception issue with Rose and the Bulls

that keeps them from being widely accepted as favorites.

Whenever pundits pick the Bulls to come out of the East (like Barkley did) or pick Rose as MVP (like Monty Williams did) always include qualifiers like, “probably” or otherwise acknowledge how rare the opinion is.

This is nowhere near the kind of unanimity that LeBron and the Cavs used to get.

I guess the upshot is that almost no matter what they do, the Bulls will be darkhorse candidates to come out of the East, and Rose will continue to be almost an afterthought for the MVP race. At least that’s how it feels.

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by bullhockey on Mar 8, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I could be as optimistic

I’m really happy to support a team that I know can compete with the best in the league, but I’d be surprised if they managed to get by the likes of the Celtics and the Lakers in the playoffs.

I mean the Lakers have been picking their noses all season and they still have 45 wins.

by darksmokepuncher on Mar 8, 2011 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

I must say I've grown wary of all this love for the Bulls.

I’d hate for the team to go into the playoffs with a lot of hype and then be “EXPOSED” in the second round.

"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"

by ColonelFatheart on Mar 8, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, the Bulls definitely have some Mavericks potential

Like when they were the one seed and got taken out in the first round. Not to say I don’t believe in them, I really do, bit there’s certain aspects that scare me a bit

I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 8, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, no question I'm more optimistic about them then I thought I'd be this year.

In fact, if I were pressed on playoff picks right now, I’d have them in the ECF vs. the Celtics (which would be an old-fashioned NBA war, by the way).

Still, they’re not so far above the rest of the competition, particularly the second-tier teams in the East, that I’m 100% convinced they will be the real deal come playoff time. Then again, other than the Celtics, who has proven to be at that nearly untouchable level in the first round?

Then there’s the nagging optimist side of me that keeps whispering: “You know they can win the championship this year. They have the tools, the experience and the system to do so. Lakers vs. Bulls. Bet on it!”

"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"

by ColonelFatheart on Mar 8, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

They were favored then?

Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!

by T.Moore on Mar 8, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!

by T.Moore on Mar 8, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That was based mostly on pre-season hype, though,

not in-season results. Building momentum based on actual play is different.

by arjoseph on Mar 8, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It was in season results

they won 47 games the year before, right? The east was WEAK

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember now, if they beat New Jersey in the last game they would have nabbed the 3rd seed?

Regardless I just remember Kidd making a no look reverse lay up, I think he slapped Scott Skiles afterwards

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

We still raped DWade in the first round.

never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...

by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 8, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Humans picked them

This time it’s a “computer”.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Mar 8, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea,

fortunately it got us D Rose

by regui8er on Mar 8, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank God it wasn't Beasley.

I was just looking at his stats for this year. He is soooo bad.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to Kevin Love

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Mar 8, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember when people were saying how awesome Beasley was earlier in the year?

Yuck.

I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.

by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 8, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Rose would have went to Miami

I doubt this would have worked out this way, they would have had to get rid of someone, but Rose/Wade/LeBron/Bosh is like 56 championships.

never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...

by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 8, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

As much I want to believe this..

.. and trust me I do.. I’ll just have to see it believe it (praying it does)

by Matt Chambers on Mar 8, 2011 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

We're not just livin on a prayer

We’re good and stuff.

I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.

"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley

by NBA Observer on Mar 8, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I might have rec'd this

simply because I like bad puns, but then you went and laughed at your own joke.

by runningman on Mar 8, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Could the Bulls end up being a paradox come playoff time?

The overrated underdogs?

"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"

by ColonelFatheart on Mar 8, 2011 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

Hollinger is stupid.

And I meant that as a compliment. One week we suck and are overrated, the next week we are gonna ‘win it all!’ If I remember correctly, he was only giving us 45 wins this season or something hilarious like that, and only a first round exit. The dude and his formula are as legitimate as Sarah Palin’s intuition.

by BullsFan22 on Mar 8, 2011 7:42 PM CST reply actions  

I don't like PER.

But his rankings during the season are not based on PER, but on defensive and offensive efficiency. I place more faith in the rankings.

by Tim S. on Mar 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

there is the man and the machine

be careful not to entertwine the two. he’s close to becoming an wifi wickerman.

by JockstrapNoah on Mar 9, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

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