What Omer's Leap Means
by Right_Field_Sucks on Mar 5, 2011 2:48 AM CST
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PrintWatching Omer Asik hang in there with Dwight "I will plow you" Howard for 31 solid minutes got me to thinking. If he really is making a leap, however big or small it turns out to be, what does that mean for the Chicago Bulls?
1. The Best Frontline in the East
Yeah, I said it. In light of Boston's Perk-for-Green move, Miami's Big Three turning out to be Two Men And A Little Lady and Dwight Howard being only one man (I think), who can top Noah, Boozer, Asik, Taj, Kurt with a dash of Deng? All of a sudden the Bulls can add offensive rebounding to their list of Awesome Elite Skills We Have, next to defense and "chemistry". Noah is the league's best offensive rebounder, possibly after Kevin Love. Boozer is a lot of things, one of which happens to be that he can rebound. One of Taj's best skills is offensive rebounding. Kurt is enforcsurance. That's a good group. You can go to war with that group.
Add in a bonus 25 minutes (31 nearly killed him) of active rebounding 7-footer? Yes please.
Hence, the best frontline in the East. And, the best offensive rebounding team in the league.
My question is: does that extra elite skill overcome their lack of shooting?
2. Might Get Crowded in There
Boozer is struggling. Omer is still learning. Noah just got back. Taj is on the low-minutes diet. These guys haven't all played together before. At times, monkey poo fights have looked more organized. To date, it's Boozer whose numbers have suffered, although perhaps if he'd stop stumbling into people while yelling he might actually score once in awhile. (Is there any doubt he made his FOUL YELL when he tripped over the bag?) I'll be interested to see how Thibs sorts out everyone's roles, but I'm not worried because...
3. Thibs is Coach of The Year
I know, hyperbole. Fair argument. Here is mine:
- The Bulls will win 50+ games, maybe as many as 58. That's around a 15 game improvement.
- The Bulls brought in five free agents and eight players total, counting Omer, C.J, and Rasual. That's a lot of new pieces to sort out on the way to a top 3 (2?) seed.
- Injuries: The fact that the Bulls continued winning without Boozer and Noah will be discussed at length in COY debates.
- Whoelseyagot? - Popovich would be the only other favorite I could understand. But he's won it before, and that counts.
The naysaying voice in my head would point out Bogans. And the failure to develop Jimmy Johns. And Bogans. But if it comes to be that Thibs has "coached up" Asik this well in 50 games, I'd say at least half of the above argument is moot.
The kicker? The chill scene all lined up for MVP/COY articles: Last month's Rose/Thibs Spurs Pre-Game Speech. Since this a media poll, yes that matters.
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I still have some questions about Omer. Will Kurt Thomas get pancake butt from sitting on the bench? Will I ever figure out why Asik's free throws are either textbook or ruh-roh and never anything in-between? Why am I so compelled to call Omer by my made-up nickname (The Turkish Plow)?
But one thing I don't wonder about is who will win this year's COY. It's Thibs, going away. Who would have imagined that Omer (The Turkish Plow!) Asik would seal it?
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The Bulls are not the best offensive rebounding team in the league
The Minnesota Timberwolves are. Take that for what it’s worth.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Even when you adjust for the number of available rebounds, they're still no. 1
The Bulls are no. 6, btw.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I don’t think the T’Wolves would be 1st
If they went 30 games without their best offensive rebounder.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
I do think the Bulls are the best offensive rebounding team in the league.
If they’re healthy. As ineffective as Noah was last night for example, he still had as many offensive rebounds as the entire Magic team. So did Boozer, and Asik as well. Since Noah’s return the Bulls are averaging 15.8Oreb/gm, and that’s with Noah not even being completely up to speed yet.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Yeah good call
55 Games Before 02/23/2011: 11.4 Offensive Rebounds
5 Games After 02/23/2011: 15.8 Offensive Rebounds
That’s a dramatic difference.
by JockstrapNoah on Mar 5, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
As of today, statistically you're right
But the Bulls with Noah/Asik pushes them over for me. By season’s end I’d expect the numbers to bear it out, injuries notwithstanding.
It wasn't Bartman's fault. It was mine.
by Right_Field_Sucks on Mar 5, 2011 3:05 AM CST reply actions
rose/mayo/melo/boozer/asik
oh what could have been
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
way to post this in every thread
so as to be even more annoying
If you meet the buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
by paddyfairview on Mar 5, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I want a reverse rec. its not flag worthy, just slightly less annoying than flag worthy.
-1
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
This would actually be an awesome lineup...
if Asik was allowed 40 fouls per game and had to wear a matador hat.
LeBron is an Asshole
by leeac on Mar 5, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
We could've lost to Cleveland
multiple times! And we could’ve been around .500.
Oh, what could have been …
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
My guess about Kurt Thomas
was that Thibs planned on resting him a month to get his legs back, and then get him ready to be Noah’s primary backup in the playoffs. But if Omer continues rebounding and defending like he has the last few weeks, I can’t see Thibs putting Thomas back ahead of him. Youth will be served.
I’m already thinking ahead to a hard cap CBA with Rose maxed out or possibly at a slight discount. Will we be able to afford to keep Asik in the 2012-13? If Darko gets $5 million a year, what is Asik worth on the open market, especially if he develops at least a keep em honest hook shot? On second thought, I’ll just enjoy the season.
If you want to argue Thibs for COY (isn’t it better discussion for after the season finishes?), I’m not sure it’s fair to compare their wins to last year. Last year’s team was built to shed salary and “hopefully” skim into the playoffs and it was accomplished. This year’s team was built to win. Also if your argument is “Look how much better Thibs is than VDN, therefore he’s the best coach in the league” there might be a flaw or two in your logic.
I’d vote Spoelstra as COY. If he can put up with Lebron and Bosh for a whole year, with Riley looking over his shoulder and keep his job and his hair, he deserves the award (sarcasm)
Spoelstra can't be COY after the collapse and getting blown out by the spurs on consecutive nights
The high expectations of the Heat will doom him as the failures will be at the forefront of most voters’ minds
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Mar 5, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Heat are winning despite Spoelstra's coaching limitations.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Riley replaces him over the summer after they flame out in the Playoffs. He’s too young, too inexperienced, and just doesn’t have the personality to lead the ego’s and talents on that team. They Heat would truly be dominant if they had the right general in charge.
i doubt riley comes down but i wouldn't be surprised if he's out
you need a veteran with these guys
If you meet the buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
by paddyfairview on Mar 5, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
spoelstra's out i mean
If you meet the buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
by paddyfairview on Mar 5, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Riley and LeBron would be fucking hilarious.
Riley is a legendary hardass, They either win or blow up completely if that happens IMO
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I’m not convinced that Patton could get LeBron to fly in formation.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Or run the last second play the way to coach told him to
And get the ball to a wide open shooter in the corner?
With all the advantages LeBron has (his four zebra friends and the most athletic body in the sport), you’d think he’d be better at playing with a team.
FOUR Zebra friends?
Where do they hide the fourth one?
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
you did read the last word of his post, right?
it was “sarcasm”, if you missed it.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
COY
is probably gonna go to Gregg Popovich.
The Heat will continue to choke, and the Spurs will continue to dominate, despite Duncan’s much lesser role and a very different offensive philosophy this year.
I think he deserves it and Thibs has plenty of time to nab one later in his career.
Besides that, whoever is in charge of the Spurs front office should probably win executive of the year, as well, they always seam to have great picks and role players that complement their team. Last year it was George Hill, and now it’s Dejaun Blair and Gary Neal really helping their team. Bonner is ridiculous but an assassin from outside. Well put together.
As much as I like Pop...
the team’s success has much more to do with ridiculous health.
Rec'd
for the boozer yelling foul when he tripped over his bag line.
by kig on Mar 5, 2011 8:12 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
If Troy Murphy and Shaq return to form for the playoffs,
the Celtics could have better offense on their front line.
His +/- has been excellent and his box score stats are good
And from what I’ve seen, he’s looked pretty good when he’s been healthy enough to actually get on the court. KG’s pretty much the perfect frontcourt partner for him since his ranginess covers for Shaq’s lack of mobility.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Considering that JO and Perk were injured for large portions of the year, too,
I don’t know how much stock I’d put into plus-minus for Shaq.
eventually
Asik will merit a starter’s job (and salary) in the nba.
Asik and Noah in tandem are ridiculous defensively, but really quite poor offensively. I wouldn’t want to use them together without more scoring from a two guard. Boozer is also definitely an NBA starter. (and he has a six-year contract)
I hear the “don’t give away big men” argument, but I think something’s gonna give eventually. No one wants to hear it, but Noah may be expendable soon, because Asik could easily become a better defender (although their styles are quite different)
Perhaps I am ignoring the value of Noah’s “emotional leadership” and team chemistry.
Either way, we wont be able to keep all three for long, and could get a ton of value for either Noah or Asik. (I’m unsure of Boozer’s trade value at this point.)
I don't see Asik surpassing Noah.
Noah’s the far superior passer and ball handler, and covers more ground on defense (sometimes to the teams detriment). He’s also still developing his offense. I’d love to see them both refine their jumper and post moves, with Asik at center and Noah at PF, eventually moving Boozer to the instant offense/rebounds off the bench in a few years (as Millsap was behind him), or making him expendable altogether should Taj continue to mature (don’t think he’s starter material). Can we afford to keep them all? The Lakers have Bryant, Bynum and Gasol starting with Odom off the bench; that’s a lot of paper, but necessary for if you want a couple of rings.
Reinsdorf's worst nightmare...
a lot of paper, but necessary if you want a couple of rings
by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 5, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rose is going to have to flex on him at some point, just as Kobe did.
You either pay/make ballsy moves to support your elite talent (with the right pieces, which I believe we have short of the appropriate SG), or watch them walk away/manipulate a trade.
Also, the Bulls are starting to get Rockstar-team treatment league-wide.
All the stars in town show up to their games. Last nights Orlando game was the hottest ticket of the year. Crowds chant “MVP” damn near wherever Rose plays. Stylistically the team’s colors and logo is classic with universal appeal, making their apparel a prime international seller just as back in MJ’s day. Asik, Noah, and Deng have Turkey, France, and Britain spoken for, with Deng counting many in the continent of Africa as potential fans as well. Noah’s got the herb/reggae/conscious vibes loving fans showing him love. And Rose is already scratching the surface of A1 international basketball superstar status. Reinsdorf and the front office would be fools to not invest appropriately.
by Roland600 on Mar 5, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
What?
I don’t know if you’re serious.
I agree the Bulls are pretty marketable, not as much with the “herb/reggae conscious vibes loving fans” being an important market segment.
Some good points and hilarious though.
I can attest to this
it’s been my experience that potheads love Noah, including the ones who aren’t big basketball fans (and without revealing too much, I have quite a lot of exposure to potheads).
haha
actually slowmotion is my basketball nickname. Never had much quickness but make up for it with deadly shooting/passing and pretty high bball IQ.
Yeah I'm serious.
Many people judge NBA players and professional athletes harshly because of their “mainstreamness”, political correctness, and supposed lack of awareness for socio-political matters globally. The rebels always stand out. Noah’s a born rebel, (has to be the first player I know of who called LeBron out during a game, and called him a bitch at that), has that socio-political awareness, of his own volition and through his family, and doesn’t seem paranoid about hiding his herb habit – and because he’s a talented baller as well, has counterculture icon potential, on a global scale. His father’s already a very famous musician in Europe. Think Bill Walton back in the 70’s (not saying he’s as great a player as Walton at this point, but if he keeps on developing, he has the passing skills and ability to run the floor already). It might be a stretch, but he certainly fits the archetype. Also, Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov has spoken at length about wanting to turn his Brooklyn team (I think his whole plan was contingent about getting the hell out of Jersey and leveraging the B.K. brand) into the international NBA team, and he has given various ways of doing that. My point is, the Bulls already meet his major criteria (a superstar [Rose is more entertaining than DWill], prominent international players, cultural appeal outside of basketball), and if the front office/marketing department is smart, they’ll fortify the position M.J. gave them years ago.
It's always great when a guy with a highly privileged background becomes a symbol of rebellion and counterculture.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Mar 5, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If he rested on his privilege and chose to live in a bubble
while espousing bullshit rhetoric and doing nothing but purely indulging in his wealth, yeah. But Noah’s a smart dude, and his family does a lot of charity work. Hope you use the same amount of energy you use criticizing talented, blessed, intelligent, hard-working people on blogs as you do helping out others who aren’t as privileged as you. Noahs Arc
by Roland600 on Mar 5, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where the fuck did that come from?
I wasn’t criticizing Noah at all. I just think it’s pretty silly to anoint him as a symbol of rebellion, counterculture, and all those other things you said. In fact, I think it’s pretty silly to view any professional athlete making millions of dollars in that type of light.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I didn't annoint him, I said he fits the archetype. The fans/masses choose
who they view as symbols of rebellion/counterculture, and it’s usually people who are already in the spotlight and go against the grain/status-quo. Ali made millions of dollars as well. In no way am I comparing Noah to Ali. It’s just that Ali fits the profile of what you think is silly: Any professional athlete making millions of dollars as a symbol of rebellion/counterculture.
Well Noah certainly is different from most other NBA players
But one of those differences is that Noah, unlike most other NBA players, grew up with a privileged background. That’s not a criticism of the guy; it’s a fact. A fact which I think makes it sort of ironic if he’s truly become a symbol of rebellion/counterculture as you claim he has.
Pat Riley is the devil.
che wasn't exactly starving on the streets either
Thr public is stupid and arbitrary! Now you know.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
hah! nor was Gahndi
/history is lost on some
Polo might do better to talk about the chosen life of NBA luxury making millions instead of the upbringing of Noah.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
GANDHI GANDHI GANDHI GANDHI GANDHI GANDHI
For fuck’s sake.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 6, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah...
I noticed that after I hit enter. My fingers move too fast sometimes and out of order sometimes. I didn’t think anyone would have a stroke over it, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The Bulls are the world's most popular basketball team.
That’s a fact. Not the Lakers, Celtics, or Knicks. The Bulls 90s reign came just as the NBA was getting exposure to Europe. So, it shouldn’t be any surprise that our fans are filling road arenas regularly now.
yeah that's why i think the JR bashing is a little overstated
he’s a dick, but he’s not stupid. he’ll shell out enough to keep us generally competitive as long as we’ve got rose.
If you meet the buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
by paddyfairview on Mar 5, 2011 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
The Lakers players you mentioned all play different positions.
With Odom at SF. (right?)
That way their minutes don’t coincide as much as our trio. If you wanted to, you could play all four at the same time.
Boozer as instant offense is something I hadn’t considered. I like the idea, but I don’t think it would make for a very happy Boozer.
Odom can play SF, but he almost never plays SF for the Lakers.
He’s used at PF almost exclusively, and isn’t that effective at SF when he does play there.
even at that, I think it does:
Noah @ C
Boozer @ PF
Asik backing up both. Picture Asik taking up Taj minutes and thus going up to about 25-30 minutes a game regularly, and never having two offensive holes or two defensive holes on at the same time.
You’d still have to get a new emergency Center, sure. but uh. I really don’t think Thomas is viable past this year even if we keep Taj? I think drafting late for a tall big or signing a new aged big next year is in the cards either way.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Dwight "I will plow you" Howard
as sterling archer would say, “uh, phrasing?”
If you meet the buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.
by paddyfairview on Mar 5, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Nicknames:
The Iron Sheek
The Rookie from Turkey
Ottoman Obstacle
Sultan of Block
The Big O
Turkish Delight
Did I get them all?
love it
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 5, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Time for the Turk-olator?
/HangsHeadInShame.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 5, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There is something more important in Omer's leap
we may get some really good trade offers in the offseason – should we trade him for a real starting caliber SG (and I’m not talking about lee)
I hope you're right.
But I think a year of seasoning would only increase his value.
If he can get his FT% up to 70%, he’ll get more valuable, too.
Who would we trade him for?
Also, based on this analysis, our two picks together might buy pick 15-17. Can we get anything there that can help us at either SG or replacing Asik, if we wanted to?
a top SG AND a few 1st round picks for Asik?
and we think Pax falls in love with his players too much. I’m afraid to think what you think we could get for Noah….. Durant, Westbrook and a future unprotected 1st?
Our hero is starting to excel as a defensive roll player in limited minutes, surrounded by some other good defensive players with a defensive specialist as coach. I’m glad he plays for my team, and certainly glad he’s not on Miami’s bench. But projecting him to future stardom, and valuing him at at roughly the same as Deron Williams based on a couple good rebounding games is overly optimistic.
Sarcastic?
I hope. Omer is super fun to watch, and he might have a future as a starting center somewhere. Not here. But to claim we would “need” a top SG and a few 1st rounders is outrageous.
"My question is: does that extra elite skill overcome their lack of shooting?"
The Bulls don’t have to score 100 or more every game, just more than their opponents. So far their record indicates they can
the team needs to run more
it’s a big advantage of both asik and noah. time to get the hard workers some easy baskets. i’m getting frustrated watching rose walk it over the line at 0:18 nearly every possession.
same thing in the half court, after an offensive rebound. watch how often they seem to have the defense out of position, but go ultra conservative and throw it back to mid court to set up instead taking advantage.
but yeah, thanks to all of their griminess.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
only in the sense that it may help the “fatigue factor” of thibs defensive demands.
i think he wants to run more, ideally. and they were running before noah went down.
also, running/not running and waiting to get into the set play are two different things. i’m not fond of either.
using seconds of the 24 sec clock on offense can only hurt the effectiveness of the set plays, can only hurt the bulls’ efficiency, while helping the opponent play defense (use less energy).
true, it keeps the number of total (both teams) possessions down, keeps the total score down, and theoretically keeps the game incrementally closer. but it’s not what this team can be. they won’t reach their potential with this approach unless they become deadly on offense with the clock expiring. and even then i don’t think they reach it, frankly (they’re not old and slow, save kurt).
i fail to see how it is better to use up your own clock pounding the ball and not moving/screening, assuming you can play with your customary defensive energy at the greater pace.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
android tablets agree!
:p
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
If Asik continues to improve like this, maybe an Asik/Boozer sort of trade for Howard gets a deal done?
I just know it’ll be brought up eventually and won’t wanna have to ever give up Noah so maybe you give them Boozer/Asik and 3 first rounders
Probably would have to include Korver in the deal
but yep, I’ve been saying this for the past couple of months. I think it’s a strong package since Boozer is a talented PF and will eventually turn into an expiring down the line. Asik is awesome, Korver is one of the better 3 point shooters and, well, everyone loves first rounders even if the Bulls won’t have valuable ones (down the line the Charlotte one will be assuming it is held onto long enough.)
Road Warriors East Coast Takeover Assassination Missions:
Wizards: Mission Accomplished. MIssed the game, but looks like a good all-around effort... except from Bogans.
Hawks: Mission Scratched. This game never happened. Don't try and tell me it did, you bastard!
Magic: Mission Accomplished. Omer=Tseng, Hedo=Cissnei.
Heat:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 5, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, that'd be interesting....
Rose
_________
Deng
Noah
Howard
if they even add a halfway decent SG,that’s an absolutely incredible starting lineup (because I believe Noah’s jump shot will be “more than respectable”)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 5, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that was what the Heat thought about their holes
by JustAnotherFan on Mar 7, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Not remotely the same
we have 2 elite defenders in our frontcourt.
by Stacey_Is_King on Mar 7, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Not gonna happen
Cant break up a team after a Championship!
by californiachicagoan on Mar 7, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't decide if I'd rather have a Boozer/Howard frontcourt or a Noah/Howard frontcourt.
But either one would obviously be beyond awesome.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I'd take Noah mostly cuz he's younger.
And i think his offense is improving enough. And I think Howard would AND Boozer is in the most could start to “clog” the middle. Not just one like Boozer or Howard, but both might.
And because I think Noah is frickin’ awesome.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think that Noah is clearly the heartbeat of this team
Not sure we’d have the same fire without him. Plus, Boozer gives us a window. Noah gives us a loading dock of time.
Noah/Howard
How is that even a question?!?
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
What?
I think it’s pretty obvious that Noah is a better player/teammate then Boozer.
Howard/Noah all day.
by The Art Of War on Mar 7, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure about the pairing, until Howard gets an outside shot
Rose needs bigs who can spread the D, and give him driving lanes. Howard doesn’t do that. We’d need to get 3-pt shooters if we want to maintain spacing. Turning DRose into a jumpshooter would counteract the addition of a low post option.
probably never going to happen
But if you have rose penetrating you don’t really need Howard to have a shot. Just have couple of go to moves inside
by The Art Of War on Mar 7, 2011 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
He's got an EFG% of .5 on his jumper as it stands
that’s pretty good
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
How about a rose/howard PnR?
at least one of them is going straight to the hoop after that
I think the magic would be more intersted in noah and I would give him up in a heartbeat for howard.
We all can still root for noah while we championships. I was thinking while watching the game how unstoppable Rose would be with the magic with all those shooters and Dwight, that would definitely be dynasty.
But what if Howard doesn't promise to re-sign?
We could lose Noah and then lose Howard as well in 2012.
If the Magic were going to lose Howard no matter what
They would demand Noah at the least.
by The Art Of War on Mar 7, 2011 1:01 AM CST up reply actions
If they're going to lose him no matter what, what leverage do they have?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rose/Howard would make LeBron/Wade little more than an afterthought
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Think of all the little lobs from Rose driving around Mario Chalmers and throwing it up to Howard over Bosh or unknown MIA big man
Almost worth it just for that.
rose doesn't lob!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I believe Rose would start using the lob with Howard.
Rose APG would increase dramatically with Howard and alley oops!.
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