Worst MVP argument yet: Are you kidding me Colin Cowherd?
by Diz on Mar 30, 2011 3:14 PM CDT
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PrintToday I came across this video on ESPN in which Colin Cowherd uses Glen Beckian logic (minus the chalkboard) to make his case for LeBron James over Derrick Rose as the league MVP. Below, I have done my best to return the favor by exposing Cowherd's own twisted logic and ill-researched propositions.
Argument 1: Lebron is asked to defend all five positions. Derrick Rose will never be asked to defend all five positions. Derrick Rose can't guard Amare or LaMarcus Aldridge (or as Cowherd says, "All-Ridge") like Lebron can.
Excuse me?! Yes, let's disqualify all players under 6'8 from MVP eligibility. Honestly, the Bulls should probably have traded Rose for Corey Brewer at the deadline. At least he can defend multiple positions!
Argument 2: Lebron's +/- "dwarfs" Rose's.
As if +/- isn't a bad enough stat (in isolation) to begin with, he goes on to make some cockamamie statement about how when Lebron is on the floor, the Heat are +11 and when he's not playing the Heat are at 0. Presumably these numbers are less favorable for Rose, although Cowherd doesn't actually provide any information on Rose's stats. While this proves that the Bulls have the better bench - as if this was somehow disputed - it really doesn't say all that much about each candidate's impact on their team. Cowherd seems to think that +/- will illuminate the value that each player adds to their team, answering the old "if you took him off of the team, they would be this much worse" question, but any savvy basketball fan, statistician, or sixth grader can point out the flaws in this line of thinking. +/- is useful as a basic directional metric, but is subject to substantial bias depending on who is on the court and when...especially when D Wade is one of your teammates!
Argument 3: The true key to the Bulls success is Thibs' defensive system
This one has SOME merit. However, Rose plays 37.5 minutes per game, and while he's certainly no defensive player of the year, that has to count for something. The Bulls are the best defensive team in the league, and Derrick plays HUGE minutes. If A = B and B = C, then I'd say that we have to attribute some of the Bulls defensive success to Derrick. If this is true, then the Bulls defensive dominance only BOOSTS his MVP campaign.
Argument 4: The argument that Rose's Bulls are ahead of the Heat in the standings is unfair because Lebron is on a "new team with new chemistry and new injuries". Kobe, meanwhile, has the same team, coach, and group of players.
Wuuuuhhhhhttt?!?!?! When did Kobe enter into this discussion?! I thought we were talking Lebron vs. Rose?! You know...Rose...the guy with the new coach, new teammates, and a completely new system. As opposed to Lebron...who is playing with two former Olympic teammates on a team where D Wade and Spoelstra are in their third year together. But maybe I missed something...Also, not sure what he meant by "new injuries", but I'm going to venture a guess that Noah and Boozer's injuries were more devastating than the injuries to Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem.
Argument 5: If you take away their 9-8 start, the Heat have been the best team in the league.
On Saturday, November 27th, the Heat stood at 9-8. On Friday, December 3rd, the Bulls record stood at...wait for it...9-8! Unless I'm mistaken (which I'm not) the Bulls now have the better record. Therefore, since EACH TEAM's 9-8 start, the Bulls have been - by definition - better!
Note: a little research goes a long way, Cowherd!
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He's pretty much the only tard at ESPN that really gets me angry
Guys like Skip Bayless don’t bug me because they kinda know that what they’re saying is dumb, and just put it out there to be controversial, or to get attention (which they usually do)
In Cowherd’s case, he presents a lot of these arguments as if he’s some sort of intellectual that’s saying something completely new, and interesting. While most of the time, he says the same dumb shit all the others say.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 30, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The thing with skippy
I think he likes Rose, but hates the hype and is a stat guy.
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
He's not a stat guy
he’s always hated Lebron.
I think it all is more complicated than that… still there was someone here who said cp3 was the best player in the league. Just because their argument may not be strong it doesn’t mean they don’t believe it or are just trying to get attention.
Skip I still say has been coming around really.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
He thought lbj or kobe should be the mvp
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Skippy likes the Bulls and knows MJ very well (or so i've heard)
It’s easy for him to take a liking in the Bulls or a particular Bulls player.
Someone is watching/listening to him. The idiots that keep this moron working make me rage. There is no law that says we have to watch something just because it is there. I have not even heard Cowheards voice in several years and I intend to keep it that way. If more people do that, maybe he will go away.
by metalkiwis on Mar 30, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Why on Earth would that guy get a TV show? Who are his fans? It’s baffling.
by metalkiwis on Mar 30, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's soooo bad. read the script on one of those other sports blogs.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
Rec'd
I used to have a 2 hour drive to go to work. I could sit through Mariotti, but when this idiot came on, i never made it past 5 minutes. I can take opinions that differ from mine, but I can’t take utter stupidity disguised as deep thought. I wouldn’t listen to an hour of it from some guy on the street, and I don’t have to listen just because that same guy is being broadcast over the airwaves.
Because he makes guys like you rage.
:-P That’s what he and Skip are paid for. To get under people’s skin.
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Sixers: Mission Failed. Good thing Boston sucks. Still 2 games up.
Timberwolves:
Pistons:
Raptors:
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
#1 Seed Magic Number: 9
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 30, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm actually glad for this fanpost
so i didn’t have to watch the video, but i can still laugh at what a retard he is.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Mar 30, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
Yep.
The first mistake made always is listening to Cowherd open his mouth. I’m much happier since I stopped two years ago.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Mar 30, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think his first argument
in regards to Lebron defending multiple positions has merit. Not to say that anyone who can’t do that should be disqualified from the MVP discussion but that is more valuable than a player who can only guard 1 position.
This is why you have to consider the entire trend of the league when talking about individual defense
Because it will say that all centers are the best defenders, bigger players are better defenders than smaller players, and point guards are the worst defenders. When you take that into consideration, Rose becomes a good defender at his position. Same phenomenon with shooting efficiency stats.
by berzerkulous on Mar 30, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
it has merit in theory
except I don’t remember watching too many heat games where Lebron defends the 1 or the 5. He will sometimes match up with a 4, but its not like they have them out there guarding Carlos Boozer or shutting down Pau Gasol. He slides to the 4 sometimes depending on matchups. He rarely guards opposing 2s because than who would Wade guard? The Heat don’t use Lebron as a defensive stopper where they match him up with guys to shut him down. So the abstract – he can guard 5 positions – is just that, abstract, because in reality, he doesn’t do that.
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 30, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Also, aren't Amare Stoudemire and LaMarcus Aldridge PFs?
Sure, they play center sometimes when their team goes small, but using those guys to say “HE CAN GUARD 5 POSITIONS” isn’t exactly accurate. Has LeBron ever guarded a Dwight Howard, Nene, Shaq?
didn't work so well in the closing seconds of the last game
Luol for 3! [swish]
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
And yes, that 3 was Wade's fault,
but fuck LeBron.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
by Prevenge on Apr 1, 2011 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
until LeBron has more blocks than Rose
the LeBron as a better defender argument needs to be shut down. I think the glow of chase down blocks past still lights the eyes of dumbass commentators.
by JockstrapNoah on Apr 3, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
When LeBron is locked in
he’s a terrific man defender. But agreed, the emphasis on his chase down blocks are blinding some people.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
There is a legit argument for Lebron over Rose, this ain't it though.
As for argument 3, I point to a nicely written and logical article here: http://asubstituteforwar.com/2011/02/25/derrick-rose-the-mvp-race-and-the-isiah-iverson-team-model/
Yes, don't get me wrong, I think there are valid reasons behind Lebron or Dwight as MVP
I just think that Cowherd’s logic here is atrocious!
fixed
I just think that Cowherd’s logic here is atrocious.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Apr 1, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
what i want to know is about this:
Rose has played over 2100 to lead the team, and Luol Deng runs second at a bit over 2000.
how is that possible? was there ever a time that he was averaging more minutes than luol? luol has 160 more minutes played than rose this season up to this point.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Can someone explain how Rose can even be called the front runner for MVP anymore?
The only non-local person I’ve heard defend him as MVP in the past week was Tim Legler (and Ric Bucher, of course). It feels like the rest of the media is ripping him every chance they get
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
Because all the MVP candidates are weak this year
And Rose (and Dwight and Dirk) are the only one’s with a convincing case of actually “adding value” to their team for the entire season.
by berzerkulous on Mar 30, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Tim Legler
Thinks he’s the most dominant PG since Magic Johnson. In terms of going head to head against the other elite PGs and soring and defending those PGs
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
I was going to just nuke this in the interest of my MVP policy
but it looks like you put in work. Not sure why given the subject, but I will not judge based on that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2011 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
Post-spring break grad school procrastination coma
But thanks for not nuking!
Cowherd is an LBJ fan/homer
His loss
Derrick Rose will be suspended by the NBA because he has broken too many ankles.
And he's an all-around idiot
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
This just in...
by houstonbull on Mar 30, 2011 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He coaches the WNBA
who cares?
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
by Yibs on Mar 30, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Fuck Colin Cowheard's agitating ass.
I’d beat his ass (And ESPN’s collective P90X’s doing ass) if he tried talking some of this shit in this city. The dumbass probably hasn’t seen 20 fucking Bulls games this year. Last night’s a good microcosm of Lebron, real nice numbers, no wins. All sizzle, no steak. Lebron’s a punk-ass pu**y who’s to scared to face the boos so he lies about taking a shit during pre-game intros. What a piece of shit. Scared to take last minute shots down the stretch, ran with his tail between his legs to DWade’s heat so he wouldn’t have to shoulder all of the pressure of knocking down game winning shots.
To quote DRose: “THESE MOTHERFUCKERS AINT GOT SHIT.” DRose is getting this MVP and there’s nothing these haters can do about it. I hope they enjoy watching Rose shit all over the East in the playoffs. He was super impressive as a rook, had a great series against CLE last year and now has a supporting case worthy of calling him captain. Fuck everybody else, DRose is taking the conference this year, whether fuckers like Cowherd, Lebetard the retard or Bill Lambeir like it.
by dakoose on Mar 30, 2011 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Interesting
I like the use of the **. Some words are just going too far.
I got a warning for it once,
so I guess it’s a touchy word.
Heh. There's a joke in there, somewhere.
AJ Pierzynski: You have to want to catch.
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Mar 31, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thing with cowherd
Is that he is an imbecile. Case closed
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Mar 30, 2011 4:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Re: argument 3 (defense)
According to Synergy, Rose’s defense is ranked 24th in the NBA with .76 points allowed per play. That is tied with Brewer for the best on the team, though Rose has defended roughly twice as many plays as Brewer and has played against tougher lineups. Rose is also #3 among PGs in RPG, and #1 in blocks (with .63, the same average as LeBron, despite playing fewer minutes and being a lot smaller). I know these stats aren’t perfect measures, but to argue that Rose has little to do with the Bulls’ defensive success isn’t even remotely true.
Rose before hoes
by Bullsfan7210 on Mar 30, 2011 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The bulls have more new players than the heat...
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 30, 2011 8:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hold my rec's to myself and only bring them out on special occasions...
…but this is a special occasion. It’s amazing how you had to do his work for him and research. I mean, he is doing what many of us would love to do for a living and he can’t even freaking make sure he knows what hes talking about.
#10 You will be missed.
I like when Cowherd talks, its assures great things will happen like so.....
"I have a card full of great stats. He’s Mr.Stats. Win a playoff game." – Cowherd on Rodgers
Rodgers went on to win the Superbowl this year after that.
Alabama is so overrated. Florida will take back over the SEC.-Cowherd on Alabama after their 6-0 start in 2009.Alabama went on to win the National Championship after that.
You’re telling me I can draft just another wing guy? He’s got Antonio McDyess written all over him (talking about Kevin Durant before the draft). He’ll be a good player, but just another wing guy. Or I can get a guy who literally has the most freakish physical attributes ever for an NBA big man (talking about Greg Oden)
Cowherd before the draft on why he would take Oden miles ahead of Durant. I don’t even think I need to mention what’s going on 4 years later.
Michigan zero. (In reference to players drafted in first day of 2007 NFL draft from Michigan University). …so what does that tell you? They don’t develop football players.
David Harris—All Pro MLB for the Jets, Lamar Woodley—Pro Bowl pass rusher for the Steelers, Leon Hall—Pro Bowl corner for the Bengals, Jake Long—Pro Bowl Tackle for the Dolphins, Steve Hutchinson—All world OG for the Vikings, Braylon Edwards—Starting WR for the Jets, Jason Avant—Slot receiver for the Eagles, Steve Breaston—Starting WR for the Cards, Zoltan Mesko—Punter for the Patriots, Johnathan Goodwin—Pro Bowl C/G for the Saints, Mario Manningham—Slot receiver for the Giants…….so far, sounds like the track record for their player for the last decade is pretty good.
by macjack09 on Mar 30, 2011 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 29 recs
someone needs to send this entire thread to espn
id love to just turn on sporcenter tomaro and have them talking about how wrong colin cowherd tends to be….id love to see his rebuttles
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Mar 31, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I might make 5 accounts just to rec this
and 5 accounts for each of those 5 accounts for the same purpose
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Mar 31, 2011 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha! Nice one
"Are you drowning them or makin' love to them?"
by Bullsarenumber1 on Apr 1, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahahaha
How can someone suck that much at his job and still have it?
Derrick+Joakim+Booz > Ray-Ray, The Wheelchair guy, that stupid martian and the punk who only messes with 6 foot foreign point guards and 3 point shooting centers
by poker_punker on Mar 31, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
A misunderstanding of his job?
His job is to get listeners so they can get advertisers. He does that, for sure.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He also claimed (in one of the few times I've accidentally listened to him) that Cleveland would beat the Heat...
…in their first return tip. And, at the very least, it would be super close. The Heat won by 28.
Not only is he wrong so often, but he’s so definitive in his predictions and answers (remember, quite often being wrong) that makes him both a dinghy and an easy target.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Apr 1, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah as JJ mentioned before,
He’s not only trying to stir up shit he also tries to be intellectually superior. So he gets shit from all sides and I’m sure that’s exactly what he’s looking for, getting attention. You just gotta ignore him like you do any other troll.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 6, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Colin Cowherd's final argument is pretty silly
the “unless you’ve carried the burden of being the face of a franchise” argument. There is debate among Miami Heat fans between Lebron or Wade being the face of the Heat. Not only is Derrick Rose the face of the current Bulls, he’s the biggest star on the team since Michael Jordan. Wouldn’t standing in that shadow would be a much bigger burden?
watch how he's lead them to a stellar
47-28?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Hmm, and I was wondering what my TV was for.
Guess I’ll have to watch a basketball game one day. Wait…
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Sixers: Mission Failed. Good thing Boston sucks. Still 2 games up.
Timberwolves: Mission Accomplished. Boozer eats a senzu bean! AND 1!!! 2.5 up again.
Pistons:
Raptors:
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
#1 Seed Magic Number: 8
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Apr 1, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I present an unbiased view
As I Magic fan I want Dwight to win, but also think if LeBron wins I can sleep at night.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-110331
Insider. It is the truth.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
I know you are excited because you made it to the front page of Orlando Pinstriped,
but do you think this technique of accusing Bulls fans of not watching games and then dropping an article many here have already discussed is that valuable?
I’d rather discuss your views, especially:
“the BS argument of well Rose is more of a leader. Leave your home town. Leave where you have always been. Knowing you are the best player in the world, yet you still accept to play in another players city. On the other guys team. Take less money, and try to win titles.”
Please explain to me what leadership skills Rose would gain by leaving the Bulls?
He ran away from CLE because ha can't get it done.
Any other view is idiotic. He sucks at crunch time and instead of shouldering the load on a team and being “the man,” he’s down there begging DWade to take over fourth quarters. He should never win another MVP, he’s a stat fraud.
by dakoose on Apr 2, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You, my friend, are the very definition of 'enlightened.'
/sarcasm
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Sixers: Mission Failed. Good thing Boston sucks. Still 2 games up.
Timberwolves: Mission Accomplished. Boozer eats a senzu bean! AND 1!!! 2.5 up again.
Pistons:
Raptors:
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
#1 Seed Magic Number: 8
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Apr 1, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lol...Hollinger is unbiased...good one.
"Fast Don't Lie"
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 6, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides
How many guys whose team is 8th in the leauge won the MVP? And as for Lebron hes not even the best on his team Wade is the MVP in Miami cause he’s clutch unlike lebrick…
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
hmmm
Lets see the resume
1. Mid Tier team not thought of as serious title contender. Check
2. Suspended twice for technical fouls. Check
3. Inability to be relied upon in close games b/c he is a sub 60% free throw shooter. Check.
4. Total disappearence in the clutch. Check
5. The leadership qualities of a movie usher. Check
Air tight case. Give that man the trophy! Dwight Howard is the baskeball equivalent of Donovan McNabb. Always a bridesmaid, never a MVP.
by Basketball Smurf on Apr 1, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Lets check
Top 5 defense and top 10 offense. Check
Top 10 in Pts, Rebound, Blocks, FG%. Check
Best defensive player in the league. Check.
Your guy-
Shoots worst then one legged Chris Paul in every single category. Less assists. Less steals. .4 more rebounds. .1 more blocks. More turnovers. And that is one legged Chris Paul. I like Rose but he is not even the best PG in the league. And no I am not trying to get anyone riled up. But Chris Paul does all that with David West and no one. And now West is gone. Paul may have more an argument than anyone in the league. Without him they probably win 15 games. Also LeBron is the best player on Miami to the person who said he was not. It’s not even close. More points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks. I like Rose. Just think he is more Iverson than Magic. Doesn’t change the fact that he is great. He will be a HOF if he keeps this pace.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Enough with the lebron bullshit
He is a CHOKER or beat the great teams THATS why hes no longer considered, The reason why the Heat are doing well now is because of Wade closig out games His closing ability is much more valuable than lebron 1st 3 quarters
As for Dwight 1. his team is 8th in the leauge who ever had an MVP when his team is 8th? Bulls have the 2nd best record and the best in the East. And its not just Thibs without Rose we would be the Milwaukee Bucks good D and ZERO offense. He does everything He plays D and has as many blocks as bron, Improved his D and shooting and attacks the paint better than anyone. Not to mention that he does something LeBrick can’t do. He plays his BEST games against the great teams and doesnt miss big FTs like bron or dwight. What other centers can challange Dwight he’s a bully against mostly PFs now. There are hardly any true centers anymore. While Rose is against much tougher competiton. How could you not get that?
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
For someone who wants us to "watch the games"
you sure seem to be in love with your stats.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 1, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
My guy just wants to wee-un.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
You're a fucking idiot.
Usually I give in to morons like you, but today I won’t.
i watched the games
i see a guy who likes to get into foul trouble. likes to get techs. is never able to be relied on in the clutch because of terrible free throw shooting. has a barely average post game for a center whos been in the league for 7 years now.
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
by sin on Apr 1, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Who could be the most unstoppable forces in the league if he ever developed a post game
Spent an off-season learning Post moves from the greatest post player of all time, and didn’t translate that to the NBA games.
Bears. Bulls. White Sox.
Actually, I think he has been much better in the post this year.
Not great, but he’ll never be great. Athleticism and coordination do not go hand in hand necessarily and it is never more evident with Dwight. Still, though his moves are ugly he’s been effective on more than just dunking this year and has even learned a little Tim Duncan bank shot.
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Sixers: Mission Failed. Good thing Boston sucks. Still 2 games up.
Timberwolves: Mission Accomplished. Boozer eats a senzu bean! AND 1!!! 2.5 up again.
Pistons:
Raptors:
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
#1 Seed Magic Number: 8
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Apr 1, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed with this.
I’m actually a big fan of Dwight’s evolving game this year, he’s been great. It’s just that the rest of the Magic basically suck.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
And get worse with every move the front office makes
How much better would the team be right now if they never traded for Carter?
How much better would the team be if they never traded for Turkoglu? Or Gilbert Arenas?
Ugh.
I only post cotton candy. Because it's delicious.
Well this moron also claims John Wall will never be able to win a title because he didn’t have a father growing up, so I think it’s safe to say we should take everything he says as a grain of salt (being generous)
Larry King debating Colin Cowherd in favor of Rose MVP on ESPN Radio
Go to here. Click on the link in the third bullet point down and fast forward to about 6:50
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- Lamar Odom to New York? Dwight Howard on the move? For now, it’s all talk
