Coach Thibs may be crazy, but that's Derrick Rose's favorite word

That kind of material is gold for those kind of websites. Hell, nobody even watches Hockey and Kane is on there constantly. If you think those websites wouldn’t love to get their hands on Rose acting like a drunken idiot, you’re really naive.

not Chris Duhon-level or anything.

He’s almost built for sites like Deadspin. Cutler gets the attention more because of his douche persona

First of all, BG (still makes me sad to think of him) was taking a lot of shots in his first year. Then the trade for Salmons, etc.

Even in his second year, the offense was bad, but Derrick didn’t have total freedom. In fact, there are quotes from Derrick to this effect. He basically says that Thibs said Derrick could control the offense if he played defense (too lazy to find the quotes now).

Playing Rose over Hinrich seems like a no-brainer in hindsight, but when you consider that Rose was a 19-year-old kid who was pretty mediocre in the preseason, I do believe that most coaches would’ve gone with the established veteran.

If I remember right, Pax was very vocal about wanting Derrick to play. I still think having a better coach would’ve helped him out.

Hinrich was never better than Rose on the offensive end of the ball. Just look at the numbers. Rose was pretty good right out of the gate, he scored over 20 pts in 7 of his first 20 games on high percentage shooting. And Hinrich played himself out of the starting position with his play in 07-08. Maybe a short-sighted coach goes with Hinrich, but Rose played pretty amazing his first month of the season. He is the #1 pick. A ROY candidate right out the gate. And once Hinrich got hurt (during the 6th game) there was no competition. Who was going to play point?

I mean you are giving an awful lot of praise to VDN for the play of individual guys. But the team was very hard to watch at times. And if you look at the Clippers, the situation is worse. Would Bayless be blossoming if he had VDN or is he just not good enough for the pro game?

For every Taj there is a JJ. For every Blake Griffin and an Aminu. I just don’t know how much of these young players success you can attribute to VDN and how much to the fact that he has been put in charge of some incredibly good, young players who were going to be good no matter what. Deng is a young guy, did VDN know how to work with him?

I still think the best piece of coaching Vinny did was letting Gordon start for the entire season after Thabo sucked and Kirk got injured, even though it was clear that management wanted to bury BG at the end of the bench.

Rose would’ve played no matter what? Why would I want him to play for a worse coach? Derrick is an amazing player, but he’s still far from the finished product. You don’t think he could’ve benefited from better coaching in his first couple years? His passing, and defense have all taking huge leaps this year. Who’s to say he’s not even better had he had a better coach sooner? One thing I do know, it’s not like he would be any worse off.

If we get ousted it’s gonna be by the Celtics or the Lakers.

I won’t argue the point, because it’s probably just an “agree to disagree” type of thing. But, I will say that the way this team plays has made me interested in NBA basketball again after an absence, for the reasons I gave above.

As long as they understand what they’re getting themselves into (A. Lot. Of. Defense.)

I don’t count Stoudemire since he was the most experienced player on the team and he had previously been coached by D’Antoni.I honestly question whether Stoudemire would have bought into this being “Rose’s team” like Boozer has. Would Kevin Garnett have? I don’t think there’s any way he takes a back seat to Rose.

specture is caught by firefox spellcheck, so there’s no excuse.

If you have guys like Marbury, Mcgrady, Francis, etc playing for Popovich, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have lasted with him. Let’s just hope that Rose is really what he says he is. If he is like Duncan then burnout wouldn’t be a concern.

Thibs reminds me of MJ, and Rose reminds me of Jackson.

And he did develop the youngsters like Noah, Taj and Derrick.

But now these guys are constantly next to a man who doesn’t give a shit about anything but basketball. They’re likely in awe. Most probably tired but they all wanna win so it’s worth it to them

The statistical guys like Hollinger hate him. The guys that aren’t as preoccupied with stats, like Free Darko hate him. Other team’s blogs hate him. Even fatheads like Skip Bayless hate him. It’s gotten to the point where, every site I click on, I expect to see some sort of article about why Rose sucks. If someone wants to be different, they could really create a nice niche by being the pro-Rose guy

There’s usually way more thought going on. But in this particular case, I think things have gone a bit overboard.

The most logical thing I’ve read all day:

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Lost in all this MVP talk is that it’s silly to be worrying about this. Rose is a good choice. Not the best, but good. Like tuna salad.

I think we’re just more in-tune with this because we’re blog-fiends. I do get the point that it become sort of an echo-chamber, since it’s not like a lot of us give a fuck what the Sam Smiths of the world thinks (or votes) anymore.

Sure he’s not the best candidate/player, but that’s never been exactly what the award was. it seems like people are trying to make it something that it’s not. I guess I’m just offended that some of these guys think Rose winning the award is that ridiculous. If he won it, he would absolutely deserve it.

instead of on whether Rose fits the customary definition. Many of the critics seem to agree that team success should have some bearing on the award, and then it becomes a matter of degree and balance and subjective opinion, rather than clear-cut black and white, right and wrong. If it were just a matter of statistics, we wouldn’t need to vote, and viable candidates would include Kevin Love and Chris Paul. But it’s not, so let people vote as they wish without calling them wrong and unscientific.