Bulls sign John Lucas III and Jannero Pargo, determined to ruin feel-good season
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 20, 2011 12:15 PM CDT
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At least it's a counterbalance to the fawning tributes* over the new top team in the East. From KC:
The Chicago Bulls' Sunday practice is underway, with new signees Jannero Pargo and John Lucas III on the court.
(earlier stories/threads on Pargo, Lucas)
Enjoying the idea that KC feels the need to declare these guys unlikely to play, no doubt fearing a deluge of emails similar to those wondering why Rasual Butler doesn't get more burn. Though I assume that since these guys are (contemptibly) familiar to Bulls fans, the emails would instead be hoping they won't play.
And sure, they won't play...but I don't even want to look at them. They're not good 'insurance' because they don't belong in the league. And I even doubt their ability as 'practice players' since they're fairly old. Why not sign a young (and presumably hungrier) player who could maybe push somebody in practice, and provide a free look heading into next season?
Nah, Bulls have some cash lying around, so instead: give 'em a gift, and invest in some future Org. loyalty. At least Lucas is more of a 'Thibs guy', and I can't be upset if he's getting more say, since Thibs rules.
I hope I don't have to pull a KC and explicitly clarify I don't actually think this is a big deal, but I guess I just did. Warrants a slight shaking of the head, but ultimately: whatever. I do look forward to the future jokes.
*I suppose those don't NEED a counterbalance, though I sometimes feel a bit icky after reading them when they're hammed up too much. Haven't read these particular ones yet.
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Sarcastic uh, I dont mind the signing of pargo at least he can be clutch if needed unlike lucas.
he may be a very poor man Ben Gordon but I know he at least able of coming through if need be.
Bullshit
Pargo has proven he is absolutely worthless as a player. If you consider him to be “clutch” you’re an idiot. I’m no Lucas fan, but at the very least it hasn’t been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he sucks, even if it’s only because he hasn’t played.
Pat Riley is the devil.
First off, youre the idiot asswipe
pargo may have been bad last year and shooting was off but so was everybody else shooting on the bulls last year, i still dont feel like thats a reason to say he is worthless when in new orleans they went to him in clutch situations that good year they had and the first time the bulls had been in the playoffs since mj he stepped up major in some playoffs games like i said previously hes more valuable than lucas is.
Pargo shot less than 35% from the field last year
That’s not just bad, that’s flat-out terrible. It probably is true that VDN’s craptastic offense did him no favors, but that argument only takes you so far. Nobody else on the Bulls team that played significant minutes was close to that bad. Pargo had a pretty good season with NO in 06-07 but that was quite a while ago. Since then, he had a crappy season for the Hornets, washed out of the Russian league and had the aforementioned crappy season with the Bulls. Basically, he’s done absolutely nothing in the last 4 years do indicate that he’s capable of being a productive player at the NBA level. If you want to kid yourself into believing that he’s not complete garbage, go nuts.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I guess VDN followed him to Moscow and ruined him
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by Prevenge on Mar 21, 2011 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Man I dont care what yall talkin bout he had a bad shooting season so did everybody else on that team last year.
Im not calling the dude MJ but he has made big plays in playoffs like I said.
Big plays in the 1st round?
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Pargo is the unwanted puppy that we felt bad about for leaving out in the cold.
by Revlution4ever on Mar 20, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
No one felt bad leaving it outside.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Mar 20, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When this gets out about pargo
half of bab are gonna shit bricks
Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.
So we lose and they sign really bad players..
If we had lost by 35, would they be looking at.. Me to sign?
Boozer can't play defense. He couldn't guard a gym bag even if he tried..
Oh wait, he did try & broke a hand.
by livesinnoahsbasement on Mar 20, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
Post your favorite Pargo/Lucas memories
by cowraiser on Mar 20, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Cool
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Keep in mind both Pargo & Lucas are great in locker room — Pargo as resident comedian; Lucas is Mr. Positive, just like his dad.
3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
get the fuck away from Japan, scientists! we need another investigation:
COULD THE BULLS LOCKERROOM HAVE SO MUCH CHEMISTRY IT CAUSES A MELTDOWN!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 20, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
What does Pargo joke about
His talent…his career? Both are laughable
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by ThorCo on Mar 20, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
and a rec for you
"What happens to everybody else has nothing to do with us, understand?" -Nick Saban-
well considering the disparity of the two
his career actually has turned out pretty well
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 20, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
great :-(
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
they wont get any burn
and then we’ll make a pargo + lucas trade for……..howard. it will be good. don’t worry.
Oh Man Oh God Oh Man Oh God Oh Man Oh God OH MAN OH GOD!
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
by T.Moore on Mar 20, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Hey, the blog is probably a little lighter than before you left
I think at least seven or eight people took their own life after the Pacers game
(Shockingly, I wasn’t one of them)
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
Please don't ask KC any questions about this
Any more rotations questions are banned. If you do ask you will be admonished. And absolutely no Bogans questions!
The Bulls could win 60 games this year. I think it’s time to stop questioning the rotation.
Looks he’s weak and lazy, and he will berate you if you are not weak and lazy just like him!
Pathetic.
by c4 on Mar 20, 2011 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If you thnk KC needs to be doing more work right now, apparently you haven't heard the new Radiohead yet. Sheesh.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm a huge Radiohead fan...
but I don’t get what you’re saying here. I wanna know.
Cheer with Confidence, BaBers
by BULLieving in Miami on Mar 20, 2011 8:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
KC is a huge Radiohead fan who tweeted many times when the album came out about how great the album is
it was a Friday. We wanted basketball tweets.
(also a huge Radiohead fan)
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
lol, I really like Radiohead too. I was just goofing on KC a bit
I wasn’t knocking them, just thought it was funny how we got more Twitter updates on their new album than Bulls related news
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh
the suns won 60, more or less, every year – and their org did nothing questionable?
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
If by nearly every year...
You mean twice since losing in the finals in ’93 and made several questionable moves, one of which cost them what likely would have been a trip to the finals.
This move by the Bulls is barely on the radar compared the PHX trade for Shaq midseason.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
i did not say "nearly", i said they won MORE OR LESS 60, and implied their "questionable"
caught up with them. i would expect it is common knowledge that owner bob sarver destroyed the franchise, why are you replying?
i named myself marionette for a reason, but even i don’t think that one terrible move, the shaq trade, destroyed the suns.
dufus kc apparently said since the bulls might win 60, it’s time to stop questioning. i couldn’t disagree with this more. the suns story is but one example, easy to call to mind.
do you think the bulls will not win 60 (“MORE OR LESS”)? do you think that means the org should not be questioned?
for the (suns) record:
‘04-’05 62 wins
‘05-’06 54 wins (no amare, wcf)
‘06-’07 61 wins
at this point, it sure as fuck looks like MORE OR LESS to me.
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
or i could've simply said
“d2.0, your reply seems to have little to nothing to do with my comment.”
this may have been an overreaction.
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
I was hoping that he took his suck to South Beach
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Butler in, Bogans out?
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Thibodeau said one reason to bring in Pargo, Lucas & Butler is they want more outside shooting. Does that mean a rotation change coming?
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
Thibodeau said one reason to bring in Pargo, Lucas & Butler is they want more outside shooting.
So many jokes to make here I think my brain is gonna explode…
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it is true
Thibs said “outside shooting” not “outside shot making”
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Mar 20, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
'Angry Bulls fans shooting outside the stadium'
I think it’s a coded message.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Mar 21, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
McGraw hasn't read KC's mailbag.
you can cut the press-row tension with Sam Smith’s mustache comb!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 20, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
YFBB took time off...
and returned with a whole notebook of zingers
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
seriously. that was a good one.
Do you know who this kid is? He is from Chicago.
by paddyfairview on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good news
Pargo and Lucas III were signed merely as practice bodies, injury insurance and to create financial flexibility moving forward. With expiring contracts, they could be used as salary-cap filler during draft-day trades.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 20, 2011 1:23 PM CDT reply actions
this is true
you want to have multiple expiring contracts up to the salary cap limit. bogans is one too, btw.
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
"Yeah Chris, it's official. We just signed Lucas and Pargo, the Axis of evil is almost complete. Get yer ass down here!"
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
"On my way."
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 14 recs
"Winning!"
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
damn... i thought u were talking about chris richard
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
That woulda been a good one
but I wanted it to be about the org’s recent rich history of hated backup point guards
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i think this picture has a bright future at BaB
Do you know who this kid is? He is from Chicago.
by paddyfairview on Mar 20, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least these guys are pretty much actually guaranteed to not play
Neither one will get off the inactive list barring 2 major injuries.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Fuck Pargo.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Mar 20, 2011 2:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I'm convinced they just signed Pargo
so Bogans would look better in comparison. Surprised it took them this long to do it.
i finally figured it out.
We signed them in anticipation for boston.
Rose needs practice guarding someone with rondo’s range.
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
by sin on Mar 20, 2011 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Well in JL3's defense
in spite of the choke job on the line, isn’t he actually a pretty good outside shooter? Putting aside his small sample-sized NBA career, what are his numbers from other leagues? Isn’t his shot the only reason anyone would consider him?
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Wizards: Mission Accomplished. 1/2 game on on the Celtics.
Nets: Mission Accomplished. Back up 1/2 game.
Pacers: Mission Failed. Still up half a game thanks to the Rockets.
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 20, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
fine lucas was to emulate rondo's free throw shooting
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
about 43% from 3 in the dleague
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Mar 20, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't need to get ready for Rondo.
Rondo needs to get ready for Rose. Rose may not be a top notch defender right now, but he will be miles ahead of Rondo in the not too distant future. Oh, I almost forgot, FUCK RONDO.
ugh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 20, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember pargo by his first sting with the bulls in which he would play 1 min 20 seconds and score 8 points.
I hope we get that, and not his second stint where he played like a complete assclown.
Rodman is the best.
first sting... not that bad. but it keeps stinging and stinging and stinging
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
What's there to look up to?
Here’s a new wrinkle on DRose’s ever-astonishing humility. He said he looked up to fellow Chicagoan Jannero Pargo while growing up.
Translation: Why are you here?
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
"I gotta watch this Pargo guy
Make sure I never end up like him"
by JustAnotherFan on Mar 21, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Well this is an entertaining Box Score
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Marcus Fizer in the house!!!!!
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I know this is insurance in case of emergency
But shouldn’t they get player that can, I don’t know, actually play maybe?
Fuck Rondo... meet Fuck Pargo
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
Great, so what does this all mean?
Instead of fighting for a number 1 seed, we’ll go on a losing streak because A.) Thibs will insert Pergo, George Lucas, Scal and Taj in the closing minutes of a tight game, B.) Boozer and Noah will be injured again and C.) D-Rock will be so exhausted come playoff time, he’ll be running on low level fumes. Great. Wonderful. Grand. Where’s a shovel? When does summer camp start?
On the bright side, Booze practiced today.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6239930
I’m assuming Taj was in a boot just as a precaution. This team is pretty banged up.
Road to the Number 1 Seed Assassination Missions:
Wizards: Mission Accomplished. 1/2 game on on the Celtics.
Nets: Mission Accomplished. Back up 1/2 game.
Pacers: Mission Failed. Still up half a game thanks to the Rockets.
Congratulations to the Central Division Champions: The Chicago Bulls!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Mar 20, 2011 2:44 PM CDT reply actions
The Bulls must have saw someone they really like in the NCAA tourney….
and are signing Pargo in a desperate attempt to get back into the lottery this year.
by seventytwo&ten
It was a joke, but I hope there’s some validity there— as in, plans for a big draft day trade to move up and/or trade for a guard. Two firsts and more expiring contracts to work with. hopefully.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
oh boy!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Im starting to think all of the players in dleague has attitude problems
there’s plenty of guys more talented than pargo, lucAss and white mamba.
add chris richards and we can start an all new season of scrubs
Pargo
The bulls are down with 13 seconds left…
Would you not want a lineup of Deng-Korver-Pargo-CJ+ Rose. Rose drives, doubles and can pass to anyone for a three?
If the Bulls are up one, and there is …49 seconds left. The other team will likely pressure then foul us. You would not want the lineup of Rose, Korver, Deng, Pargo, CJ? Having one more ball handler who can shoot free throws wont help us.
Pargo was a good bench player and had some great games on the bulls. He had a bad season too. Stop overreacting, this is a net positive move. Is it signing…Insert-Ideal-Shooting-Guard-Here good? NO. Will it help us win in those situations? Yes. Would I want to see what happens if CJ miles is injured, not before signing pargo. I look forward to seeing him play. You will too.
Rodman is the best.
yeah, I agree somewhat
honestly? I’ll take Pargo over CJ “I’m so scared, im shaking” Watson.
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
that's insane.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 20, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
You are all insane.
You like to pick on Pargo for what the man was being told to shoot so he shot, He has the SAME stats as bogans, except he can create his shots and shoots well under pressure.
I guess you all cant do simple math:
Keith Bogans: .358 3pt% FT for this year:.633% watch out Dwight and Shaq Debo right behind you!!
Jannero Pargo: .377 3pt% FT.797%
Pargo>Bogans in that late game situation. He also can dribble out of pressure much better.
He is not going to start or get minutes but if you think he is not useful in the above late game situations you are just not thinking and having more fun in deriding someone you enjoy making fun of.
Rodman is the best.
Comparing Pargo to Bogans
Is like comparing two different kinds of shit
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
by T.Moore on Mar 20, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I don't dispute that.
I am just saying it is shitty to have Rose get doubled and not be able to make teams pay. Bogans also is not good at free throws, which makes him a liability, of course John Lucas is not good at those either.
Pargo can shoot free throws so well, or are team is so bad that he would be the third best on the team at them. He also can shoot the three.
Pargo shit is better than bogans shit at strategic points in the game. Bogans is probably a better shit for playing defense, and starting…acc to thibs.
Rodman is the best.
pargo shit is better than bogans shit?
there are now better types of misses?
what is it better when the ball hits one side of the rim or something? the number of times it bounces on the rim before falling out? the angle it comes off the rim maybe?!!!!
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
by sin on Mar 21, 2011 3:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
green'd'd
humor = misinformation x seriousness
by big_p.a.w.z. on Mar 21, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
The last time Pargo played he shot 27% from 3 pt range
He’s beyond useless.
yeah id take pargo too...
if i was miami boston la san antonio dallas…
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
"Hits head against wall"
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Oh boy.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I will not look forward to seeing him play.
I’ve seen him play. And I’ve looked at his stats.
But hey, feel free to tell me who I will look forward to seeing play anytime.
You will.
You will also look forward to seeing Derrick Rose play.
Since you don’t get what I am trying to tell you all is that in the playoffs anything can happen. Having Lucas III is worthless. Having pargo will help us, especially in specific situations and in case of injuries. I do not think he will crack the rotation, but having that lineup available will be useful, and we will win using it at least once. So if you like winning and you want Derrick Rose to be more effective then you will like seeing Pargo play in that situation(s).
Rodman is the best.
No.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
No.
I’ve hated Pargo since the moment I saw him play for the first time. The fact that the Bulls have brought him back twice now… well, I just can’t describe it. lol.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
He didn't fucking help last year. And he's one year older.
I’d so much rather have Flip than Pargo. Or Beverly. OR WEAVER.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
where is flip
i dont remember him getting signed, dude was pretty good, nice role player, didnt do too much, and what he did helped, not hurt…unlike pargo
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Mar 21, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The bulls are down with 13 seconds left…
Would you not want a lineup of Deng-Korver-Pargo-CJ+ Rose. Rose drives, doubles and can pass to anyone for a three?
Ummmmmm…No
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
ok fine pargo will tank the chicago bulls and having someone who can hit the three especially in clutch situations is no good.
Gosh they should just sign a matador.
Rodman is the best.
or whatever those fat fucks are called that are overweight male bulls fans
Rodman is the best.
He’s a worse shooter than Bogans, he just doesn’t realize it.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Look at the stats you are wrong.
Rodman is the best.
Sorry, but no.
Pargo: 38.8%fg – 34.9%3pt for his career
Bogans: 39.4%fg – 35.2%3pt for his career
That’s not even considering that in their most recent notable NBA playing time the difference is much greater:
Pargo: 34.7%fg – 27.5%3pt last year in 63gms.
Bogans: 38.3%fg – 35.8%3pt in 68gms.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
why are you putting up stats that are false where do you even get these things
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jannero_pargo/
Rodman is the best.
I got those stats off of Yahoo.
Why are you posting Pargo’s career PRESEASON stats? How are those relevant?
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
by kingles on Mar 20, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
...lol
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Mar 20, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
good point i am burned
his free throw shooting is still great.
But strong point i guess that bogans is .003 percent better and it is probably not an outlier that pargo shot .275 last year, but was shooting .364 for his career before that year.
Rodman is the best.
To be fair, I believe that Pargo is the better pure shooter.
Free throw shooting is a reflection of that. Pargo’s shot selection is horrific, which is the biggest reason his % is lower on FG’s and 3’s. In a 3pt contest or a game of horse, my money would be on Pargo, in an actual game…not so much.
The other issue with this comparison is that offense is supposedly Pargos “strength”, while it’s Bogans weakness. The fact that Bogans actually has slightly better shooting percentages while being a much better defender is most damning to Pargo’s value considering that Bogans isn’t a very good player himself.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
I think this is a good summary of my point.
However, this team is terrible at free throw shooting, so Pargo will still be an asset in those situations. I don’t know how to find “clutch” percentages but based on my recollection he is pretty good, at least good enough to keep defenses honest in late game situations.
While his overall play is suspect, and he fully deserves to be the 13th player in the rotation. He can create his own shot, off the dribble-who else can do that, Rose of course maayyybbee CJ?
Deng-no, bogans-less than deng. Boozer, not unless he gets a perfect pass. He has gone off for some good point totals here and there.
He is like a poor man’s nate robinson, who also is immediately the third best free throw shooter.
As for all the flak-I have never made an assertion that he should crack the rotation, I have admitted that he is not good. Why people can’t look beyond that to see that in 3 or four situtions from now till our 4th win in the finals he might come in use, and even hit gamewinning shots or free throws? I am sure thibs sees his value. I know I will be proven right. I will subsequently rub it in the collective faces of all of you. If i am wrong rub it in my face!
Rodman is the best.
Boozer is the 2nd best shot creator on the team
Deng can get his own shot way more effectively than Pargo. Brewer can get his own shot from time to time. Even Noah can drive to the basket.
Pargo’s “shot creation” lead to sub 35% shooting last year.
Boozer is the least able
he is slowwww dribbling, if he gets the ball in the post, I trust him, but he is not going to do that by himself, and pray the guy guarding him is not over 6 10.
Deng should not, cannot drible in a pressure situation.
Brewer and Noah are not even close to deng who is not even that good at it.
Rodman is the best.
Not all shots are created by dribbling from the arc
Get Boozer the ball inside (and it doesn’t have to be a “perfect” pass) and he can get you a decent shot.
Deng should not, cannot drible in a pressure situation.
Well if we are talking only pressure situations, I don’t want the ball in anyone’s hands but Rose, so it really doesn’t matter how good Pargo is at this particular skill.
My prediction: If the Bulls are in a situation where they have to go to Pargo in clutch time they’re in big big trouble. Nothing says confidence like having a washed up almost-been coming off the bench ice cold to take an important shot.
Dude, calm down.
Pargo is a bad shooter, who happens to shoot a lot. Once in awhile, a decent proportion of those bad shots go in. He is not a good defender. He is not a special rebounder, on offense or defense. He is not a good passer.
He is a below average player, who thinks he is a good shooter. I would unequivocally rather have Bogans out there. Think about that. Bogans!
Boylan Ball eh?
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Mar 20, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
if they're down by 20 with 13 seconds left
you can leave pargo + scal + butler + kurt + lucas there
hahahaha
but really… that line up will be down by much more than 20!
scalabrine runs everything. fuck scalabrine!
as long as it doesn't create problems with chemistry then i'm cool.
but if pargo or lucas gets more playing time than butler.. then i’m going to be displeased.
that’s just my opinion.
Boo!!! Where’s Flip Murray?
Dump Pargo, add Flip. I don’t even like Flip, but he’s much better than Pargo, and the org is “familiar” with him.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Yeah seriously.
Where the hell is Flip? He played decent last season.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Flip's jokes kind of fell flat last season
he really doesn’t have Pargo’s A material. Plus he gets kind of raunchy which upsets the Bulls family friendly locker room vibe. Flip, I suspect, is working on new stuff, playing small clubs, waiting for his chance to return to the Bulls.
Wait, did you think the Bulls were looking for a basketball player?
by Basketball Smurf on Mar 20, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
by sin on Mar 20, 2011 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Little did you all know, but this post was a trap
YFBB just wanted to see who would come out of the woodworks in support of Pargo so that he can re-open commenter executions.
I don't hink so
Even at his most cynical, I highly doubt he would think anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that trap
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
and yet...
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 20, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep, sad day for BaB
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else notice how Boozer seems to get really testy with the media when they ask him about injuries?
Idk, maybe I’m making too much out of it, but he just seems like a dick. He should understand that he’s a pretty important player on a good team, in a big market. There’s gonna be a lot of curiosity about his health. Instead he gets real defensive like. Idk, like I said, prob not a big deal, but it bothers me somewhat
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
What if he actually is injury-prone?
And he’s not just being a wuss or anything? I mean, what more can you say when people keeping asking you questions? “I’m hurt, I’m working to get healthier. I’ll be back when I’m ready.”
I don’t know. I’d get tired of it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm definitely not trying to say he's being a wuss or whatever
I’m talking strictly about the way he handles things with the media. I mean, I’m sure it gets annoying, but when you make that kind of money, the least you can do is sit through a couple injury questions and throw some stock answers their way.
Plus, it’s the Chicago media. I’m sure KC wasn’t grilling him. Like I said though, it wasn’t like he was being a HUGE dick or anything, he just seems to get bothered by it fairly easily (from what I can tell)
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Mar 20, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of get it too
He’s been getting shit about injuries his whole career, I’m not surprised he gets a little sensitive about it.
Assuming the best, he may be pissed off about not being able to play, already.
(I realize this probably isn’t popular opinion around here)
i cannot believe people here are seriously trying to debate that pargo will help our shooting..
do you see what youve done thibs? DO YOU SEE WHAT YOUVE DONE STARTING BOGANS???
"I ran into lebron last night, asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I was puzzled, then realized he never gives you the fourth quarter"
by sin on Mar 21, 2011 3:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In an alternate universe we traded Asik and Brewer for Mayo.
The headline should be us signing Chris Richards and John Lucas III right now. Yes I’m blaming Gar for not letting Asik go for this.
As long as Lucas is on the practice squad, I don't care.
But someone tell me WTF is Kyle Weaver? No, seriously where is he playing ball? He can’t be sitting at home doing nothing.
is that Where the Fuck is Kyle Weaver?
or What the Fuck is Kyle Weaver?lol.
“he’s a piece of shit in bulls’ eyes”
Maybe Thibs wants to top the former 3 guard line-up
past Bulls coaches used to pull out. He might want to bust out a quadruple guard line-up of Rose/Watson/Pargo/Lucas out there. Yey for us. He can even add Bogans there somewhere.
This is all being misinterpreted
It’s part of the masterplan to give Thibs COTY, by showing how much better he is than VDN by removing the “he has better players than last year” argument
lSome things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
by LimeyBull on Mar 21, 2011 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
For the recent signings’ speculators
Here’s Sam Smith’s take: http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_110321.html
Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.
- Sir Winston Churchill
non guaranteed contracts.
now who was it that criticized me for suggesting such a thing?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
What?
Here’s a look at the last 20 champions with their fifth scorer, his average, the team’s average points scored in the regular season and rank in the league:
2010: Lakers, Derek Fisher, 7.5 per game. Team 101.7 (12)
2009: Lakers, Derek Fisher, 9.9 per game. Team 106.9 (3)
2008: Celtics, Kendrick Perkins, 6.9 per game. Team 100.5 (11)
2007: Spurs, Fabricio Oberto, 4.4 per game (Michael Finley 9.0). Team 98.5 (14)
2006: Heat, Udonis Haslem, 9.3 per game. Team 99.9 (6)
2005: Spurs, Bruce Bowen, 8.2 per game. Team 96.2 (18)
2004: Pistons, Ben Wallace, 9.5 per game. Team 90.1 (24)
2003: Spurs, Bruce Bowen, 7.1 per game. Team 95.8 (12)
2002: Lakers, Robert Horry, 6.8 per game. Team 101.3 (3)
2001: Lakers, Horace Grant, 8.5 per game. Team 100.6 (3)
2000: Lakers, A.C. Green, 5.0 per game. Team 1008. (6)
1999: Spurs, Mario Elie, 9.7 per game. Team 92.8 (13)
1998: Bulls, Ron Harper, 9.3 per game. Team 96.7 (9)
1997: Bulls, Ron Harper, 6.3 per game. Team 103.1 (1)
1996: Bulls, Ron Harper, 7.4 per game. Team 105.2 (1)
1995: Rockets, Mario Elie, 8.8 per game. Team 103.5 (8)
1994: Rockets, Robert Horry, 9.9 per game. Team 101.1 (13)
1993: Bulls, Bill Cartwright, 5.6 per game. Team 105.2 (15)
1992: Bulls, John Paxson, 7.0 per game. Team 109.9 (5)
1991: Bulls, John Paxson, 8.7 per game. Team 110.0 (7)
Bogans: 4.0 per game so he’s even worse than Fabricio Oberto? That doesn’t make me feel better Sam.
Not sure what he's really trying to prove
He is in a unique role, he doesn’t play standard starters minutes, which he even mentions in the article, so why compare him to guys who did? Outside of Oberto who was a unique case in his own right, none of those guys on the list have the same role as Bogans.
Bogans is 9th on the team in minutes & 10th on the team in scoring. I imagine he compares just fine to other teams’ guys who were 9th in minutes. (which he does btw, Oberto was 9th in minutes on his team & 11th in ppg, 4.4 vs. 4.0)
Comparing him to teams other 5th men makes as much sense as Thibs playing him at all.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 21, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Who the fuck is Sam Smith kidding?
The great conspiracy of makeup calls
There is no conspiracy.
by SoulEater7 on Mar 21, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So..
they signed them to cut them after the new CBA because they won’t have any money to bring in a free agent. Leaving them with 5 million to sign someone like JR Smith?
lol
this thread is full of so much win.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
1/27/11 - The day the nerdosphere and their stats jumped the shark, trying to use them to disprove the obvious.
by anorexorcist on Mar 21, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
which is ironic
given that its a thread about jl3 and pargo of all people
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Mar 21, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
the only thing these signings makes me think is...
thank goodness I’m winning in two bracket pools.
Cheer with Confidence, BaBers
by BULLieving in Miami on Mar 21, 2011 12:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Could these signings be for hack a rondo
like having 8 centers to hack dwight howard
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