Hey Luol...My bad
I'm shocked I'm doing this but it's actually warranted and deserved. Follow me...
I have been one of Luol Deng's biggest detractors. Why? Well it's kinda complicated. First off it started in the '04 draft where the Bulls had a chance to draft a SF that many scouts were comparing to Scottie Pippen. I was enamored at the thought of us drafting an athletic SF to go with our improving PG (Hinrich), our growing young front-court (Chandler and Curry) and our newly drafted SG (Gordon). I wanted Andre Iguodala in the worst way. Instead we drafted a winner from Duke with a lot of skills that I seen play throughout the NCAA tournament. So even though I wanted Iggy, I was willing to give this Deng guy a shot.
For the first 2 years I was excited. Despite him not shooting the 3, I saw a guy that could hit the outside jumper with consistency and had a nice drive to the lane. I had high expectations for Deng and by the end of 2006 I had come to the conclusion that we had the next Paul Pierce on our hands. But many issues started to arise, his lack of athleticism, his plateauing skill set as a player, his frailty, and last but not least his contract.
The Contract
I'll start off by saying that I was and still am a Ben Gordon fan. Flaws and all, he was a player that I watched win many games for this team in the "Baby Bulls" era. In 2006 I watched our young PG get a 5 year 47 million dollar contract, one that I felt was way too much for a player of his skill set. I knew then that the standard was set and that one of our other young core players were about to get his feelings and pockets hurt. Two years later I watched Luol Deng receive a 71 million dollar guaranteed deal after turning down a previous one before the season. Paid on expectations more than results, I disagreed with such a rich contract for a player with his skill set. So watching BG not offered a similar contract given that he used the same tactics as Deng in negotiations was upsetting and frustrating. After watching Deng play in 167 games in the next 3 years after his deal and watching Hinrich go from being compared to a young Steve Nash before his contract to averaging 10ppg and 4.2ast a game the next 3 years after his deal, I had more than enough ammunition to want them both gone...but then we won the lottery. All of a sudden there was a new sheriff in town and decisions had to be made on who would fit with this new PG. As late as the beginning of this season, I didn't think Deng could play with Rose but something has changed...
The Payoff
Something weird has happened this season and especially over the last say 20 games or so. Deng has found his place. No he still can't dribble without looking at the ball and yes I wish he was more athletic, but I have to admit, the guy is playing brilliant ball. He's playing great defense, he's getting where he needs to be on the floor for Rose to find him, and he's doing something I didn't think he could ever do...he's spreading the floor and hitting the open 3! I never thought that stepping back 2 steps could change a guy's career but for Deng it has. Four years after that bad contract, it's not so bad anymore and what we have now is a smart player who's playing a bunch of minutes, who's holding his own on the court and not complaining about it. Yes Carmelo would be a great fit and he is still the better player. But Luol has done a great job this season and deserves more credit for that.
Does one great half of a season totally erase all my feelings about Deng? No. I still have my reservations from time to time. But at this time, I'm more than happy to admit I was wrong about Luol in terms of his fit on this team. He has always been the X-factor and if he keeps this up, we will only be a decent upgrade at SG away from having a serious chance to win a title this year. And for that I have to say....My bad Luol.
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Classy..
You’re the man for writing an article like this.. I’m really glad Lu as showed up like he has this year.
by DisCUBbobulated on Feb 3, 2011 5:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Well said. Of course I’ve always been a Deng-backer. :-P
West Coast Assassination Missions:
Clippers: Mission Accomplished
Warriors:
Trail Blazers:
Jazz:
Hornets:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 3, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions
If I didn't fear for the safety of my family and friends,
I would totally post a .gif of someone clapping
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
i love .gif's
except theyre so damn laggy
"Welcome to the place where I lazily threaten people and then everyone laughs."
- Kev H
As a last step
He just needs to stop trying to do the things he can’t: beating his man off the dribble; finishing in traffic on the break. Just makes him look silly and takes focus off what he CAN do.
im ok with him trying that stuff. its part of him being generally aggressive.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
part of what makes him good at what he CAN do
probably relates to some of the stuff he tries to do but doesn’t do well… the mere threat keeps opponents honest. So I don’t know if he would be a better player for changing.
by Basketball on Feb 3, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but
he does seem to draw a lot of fouls on those lumbering drives into the lane. When he’s not getting a charge, that is.
by Brooklyn Bulls on Feb 5, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
your second to last paragraph was real ish
i really wish he got an All Star nod…and I hope it doesnt make him depressed.
..and da so mi ah seh!
The frustrating thing about Luol is that we expected so much more.
Sometimes it’s hard to appreciate him for what he is, rather than comparing him to what we expected him to become.
What are you smoking?
We had the 3rd pick and drafted Ben Gordon. We traded for the 7th overall pick by PHX Luol Deng on draft night for Jackson Vroman and a future 2nd round pick.
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huh?
What are you trying to say?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
The got Deng by trading Phoenix piss
3mil cash and jackson vroman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Deng
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
We did not draft Luol Deng, we traded for him.
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 3, 2011 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yes we traded for Luol Deng with picks
But Iggy was the 9th pick in the draft. I have to believe that if the Bulls wanted Iggy they could of had Phoenix draft him instead of Deng. I can’t remember 100% how it went down but teams have other teams they are going to trade for pick certain players ahead of them all the time.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
If the Bulls really wanted Iggy they shouldve drafted him 3rd overall, but no, because he cannot shoot
he can’t dribble, he cant go 1 on 1, he cannot create his own shot. All he can do is dunk the basketball. If Iggy was THE NEXT PIPPEN as you was saying, how come BG, Devin Harris, Shaun Livingston, Josh Childress, Luol Deng, all went ahead of him?
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 3, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why did Sam Bowie get drafted before Michael Jordan?
Also, he didn’t say he was the next Pippen, he said that’s what he was called in the draft.
Sheeesh
Take a chill pill. I’m the Deng basher remember? lol. Iggy way compared to Pippen in the draft and just because teams are dumb enough to draft say Todd Fuller over Kobe Bryant, doesn’t mean they knew what the hell they were doing before hand.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Iggy can dribble, he can go 1 on 1, and he can create his own shot
Come on now
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
And yet he takes a lousy 11 shots per game.
Can’t be all that creative.
West Coast Assassination Missions:
Clippers: Mission Accomplished
Warriors:
Trail Blazers:
Jazz:
Hornets:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 4, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Kirk being compared to a young Steve Nash????
I think I missed something. I mean Kurt was decent but I didn’t know we had a young Steve Nash. I agree with everything else, now it’s like whenever I see Deng take that 3 it should go in.
I knew someone would say this
Every once in a while when the Bulls had a national game I would hear some commentators say that Kirk reminded them of a young Nash. Remember the ’06 version of Hinrich? He was 16 and 6 a game and dribbled around to the end of the shot clock kinda like Nash looking to distribute. Not saying I agreed but I did hear it on more than one occasion.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
kerr once called him similar to mark price
i rather liked that comparison (all which is moot now)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I think Bill Simmons
even mentioned his future with team USA basketball
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
this was a regular comparison, one that i even made one time.
the 06-07 season was his peak as a player when we thought it was just the beginning.
in fact, by giving him that contract pax was saying that he expected him to basically become nash-lite. i never disagreed with kirk getting the deal he got – it was worth it at the time. then his game fell off, which i don’t think anyone saw coming.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
1/27/11 - The day the nerdosphere and their stats jumped the shark, trying to use them to disprove the obvious.
This is great
One less person I have to see proposing trades where the Bulls give up a highly productive starting SF on a top team for a couple of backups and a bag of magic beans.
by runningman on Feb 3, 2011 8:32 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I respect the hell out of this post.
The posters here who freely admit to changing their opinions are few and far between. Bravo.
Plus one to this
and I have to post it because recs are not as transparent as I’d like. :)
believes in the Keith Bogans Prophecy [12-0]
I guess hell is frozen over now…
Oh, nevermind…EVERYTHING is frozen over.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
by kingles on Feb 3, 2011 11:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Very good post
I like what has been said on this post → Lu has definitely worked hard in the summer to improve his 3 ball which is what he had to do to get to the next level.
Always noble of someone to admit their wrong doings … Would have been great if Luol got that All Star spot like many of us expected! I don’t think he will be too upset to be honest.
Lets go Bulls!!
Are we allowed to give Paxon some credit for keeping Deng over BG yet?
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by MrBungle on Feb 4, 2011 1:02 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Well sure
But to me that’s not the question. I have no problem with paying Deng and keeping BG but I always had a problem with the overvaluing of Kirk Hinrich. That’s where the problem lies. If Hinrich was the player many thought he would be then we wouldn’t have had to draft another PG in the first place, we wouldn’t be looking for a SG now, or at the very least maybe we would have drafted a guy like Ty Lawson or Jru Holiday to backup Rose. Far as I’m concerned we should have traded Kirk 2 years ago if possible. And to think that guy got a dedication video last time he was here. Unbelievable.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
We didn’t HAVE to draft a PG because of Kirk.
We had to draft a PG because he was DERRICK ROSE, destroyer of all of our enemies! Since they ultimately planned to get rid of BG and Kirk for the 2010 plan, not drafting a PG or a SG rather than 2 PF’s before last season was a big mistake.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
No.
We jostled to deal with Deng after him rejecting the extension from a year before, while we never gave Gordon the same sort of time or respect despite him having a better season that luol who basically flaked away in 07-08. for whatever reason, reinsdorf had a personal dislike against BG and that pretty much sealed his fate here.
imagine gordon on the 6/54 deal with this current team. it would be totally feasible salary wise too – can anyone say they wouldn’t give up cj watson, korver, and bogans for gordon? the numbers work, and it would still allow us to keep brewer. then we could have had the good problem of figuring out who do we start, brewer or gordon. you sign weaver as the backup point, and you’ve patched up every single hole on this team, at every position.
Rose
Brewer or Gordon
Deng
Boozer
Noah
Asik
Thomas
Gibson
Brewer or Gordon
Weaver
Johnson
that’s a team with a great balance between defense and offense and one which eliminates all our problems at SG – namely, lack of offense at the position.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
1/27/11 - The day the nerdosphere and their stats jumped the shark, trying to use them to disprove the obvious.
by anorexorcist on Feb 4, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we had BG on those books, there's no way we're far enough under the cap to give a max contract.
So, no Boozer. And I’d rather have Boozer.
We signed Korver, Watson, and Bogans
that was 10.2 M/per.
CDR and Courtney Lee: just two players the Bulls could have at SG this year.
RIP Keith Bogans Prophecy [12-1]
In fact:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6d2u64b
Still works! :P
CDR and Courtney Lee: just two players the Bulls could have at SG this year.
RIP Keith Bogans Prophecy [12-1]
I'd rather have Deng.
6’9 and plays defense? Yes please.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Now Mr Bungle...
…I think I was a bigger Deng hater than Dils. But I am now a Deng fan as well. BUT, I always said that Deng couldn’t be our Main Man or Second Option and we expect the Bulls to win. He’s not good enough. I’ve always pointed out however that if Deng were a 3rd or perhaps 4th option on the team then that team would be dynamite and sure enough that’s where he is now. That’s where he belongs. This way it doesn’t kill the Bulls when he turns in one of those 9 pts 5 rbd games whereas when he was counted on to be the main or second scoring option when playing with BG and Kirk if he turned in one of those 9 and 5 stinkers then we stood no chance.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 12, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
i'll join in the apology train
my bad, luol.
good piece.
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
1/27/11 - The day the nerdosphere and their stats jumped the shark, trying to use them to disprove the obvious.
Another surprising stat..
Of the 2004 lottery picks, only Dwight Howard and Iggy have played more minutes, and only those two (22.01 and 17..09) Devin Harris (17.7) and Okafor (17.37) have a higher PER than Deng (16.2). Looking at contracts, obviously Howard gets a deserved King’s ransom (even if he can’t shoot FT’s), but Deng’s is more or less in line with most of his contemporaries performing at the same level. Harris’s contract is pretty good for his performance, though, at under $10 million/year.
Not the PER is the be all/end all - just gave me something to compare..
If you were argue that Deng provides things that aren’t reflected in his PER, like defensive performance and versatility to the team, I wouldn’t argue that point at all.
by DisCUBbobulated on Feb 4, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I also think Deng would have a higher PER if he ever got to rest.
If he played, say, only 33 minutes a game, his PER would be at least a point higher. If you’re out on the court for 40 min a game, PER basically demands you reach 20/10 every night—which makes sense.
I have thought about posting this same thing
Lu has definitely matured and played better since his “watching someone tie his shoes in front of him and do nothing” days. I can’t believe how well he has improved his 3, and for that, i admit i was wrong as well.
on the other hand! i am also not completely against trading him, but I would at least do it for more than expiring contracts now :)
If someone ties his shoe while you are guarding him, then at least untie the other shoe.
Luol Deng is where he belongs now.
As the 3rd or 4th option. That’s where he can excel.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Feb 12, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
"Something weird has happened this season"
That something has a name: Tom Thibideau.
"Make good basketball plays!"
-VDN
by penguin1 on Feb 4, 2011 10:40 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
It’s so nice to have a real coach again.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
by Dash2112 on Feb 5, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but
the three point improvement was predictable, even if many people refused to see it.
by californiachicagoan on Feb 14, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions

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