Bulls Need to Make Splash at the Draft
With the trade deadline gone and past, the Bulls are actually in a great position to make a splash at the draft this year. Trading James Johnson was big, because it gave us another asset in the Miami pick, and also allows us to absorb more incoming salary.
The targets for the Bulls need to be a shooting guard who can shoot. I know some are worried about a hard cap or whatever, but I'm not too concerned about that. Stern isn't going to setup some kind of system that forces the Miami Thrice to breakup, old contracts would be grandfathered in if they moved to that type of system, or something or other that would prevent teams who smartly built around the current CBA to get screwed over.
The first target I would look at would be Ben Gordon. I know the Bulls have some concerns over size in the backcourt, but size in the backcourt can't be too much of an issue if they went after O.J. Mayo.
O.J. Mayo - 6'3.25" with a standing reach of 8'3.5", and a wingspan of 6'6".
Ben Gordon - 6'1" with a standing reach of 8'3", and a wingspan of 6'8.5".
So Mayo is taller, but he isn't really any longer than Gordon. Gordon actually has the superior wingspan for defending while in a defensive stance, while Mayo has the very slight half inch edge over Gordon for standing reach , which impacts the players when contesting shots.
For all intents and purporses regarding to basketball, the two guys are the same size.
With the current Pistons mess, they need to get stuff done, and moving Gordon seems a lot more likely than moving Rip Hamilton. By the time the Piston's sort their current mess out, Gordon will be on the wrong side of 30, and while he takes care of himself, there's still a reasonable expectation that he might decline.
My offer for Gordon would be C.J. Watson and Kyle Korver, the Bulls 2011 Pick, Heat 2011 pick.
This would make Ronnie Brewer the guy who gets all the backup small forward minutes, while Gordon moves in as starter at shooting guard, and Brewer gets a share of minutes at shooting guard as well. We would sign a new backup point guard during free agency.
The positives of Gordon is that him and Rose already have good chemistry playing together. If anyone remembers Rose's rookie season, until we made the deadline trades, it was just Rose, Gordon, and a bunch of crap going to war every night. I think defensively he will be fine. He contests shots, and generally stays between his man and the basket. I think he can do just as good as Keith Bogans currently does defensively, if not better. And having Gordon out there guarding Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant at the end of a game doesn't invoke anywhere near the same fear in me as seeing Korver out there.
Gordon's having a decent year. His scoring efficiency is higher than Rose's, Deng's, Brewer's, Bogan's, and Watson's, so he would come to the Bulls as the most efficient offensive player in the backcourt. I would expect Gordon's scoring efficiency to sky rocket playing next to Rose too, and I think the attention Gordon garners on defense would help raise Rose's and Deng's scoring efficiencies while having no effect on the defense.
The other target I would look at is Kevin Martin. The Rockets are stuck in NBA purgatory right now, and it makes sense for them to just blow the whole thing up and start rebuilding. Maritn will come at a higher price than Gordon, because he is averaging 23.0 points a game, and his scoring efficiency is also much higher at 60.6 percent. Martin would be a great fit on this team with his shooting, while at the same time being bigger than Gordon.
My offer to the Rockets would be C.J. Watson, Keith Bogans, Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, the Bulls 2011 Pick, the Heat's 2011 pick, the Bulls 2012 pick, and the Bobcats 2012 pick.
We would be left with:
PG-Derrick Rose
SG-Kevin Martin/Ronnie Brewer
SF-Luol Deng/Kyle Korver/Ronnie Brewer
PF-Carlos Boozer
C- Joakim Noah/Kurt Thomas
This trade hurts us in something we have of value right now, which is our great defensive front court depth, but we're still keeping both of our starters, we would have dynamic depth on the perimeter with Brewer and Korver coming off the bench, and we would be adding one of the best scorers in basketball in Kevin Martin.
With this scenario, the Bulls need to pray that the MLE still exists in the new CBA, which I wouldn't be surprised if it still does. Any frnachise that has recently been a contender knows the value of the MLE in building and maintaining a high level team.
I would send Thibodeau out to meet with Kendrick Perkins on the first day of free agency to try to convince him to come to Chicago. I don't know if Thibodeau would be able to offer Perkins a starting job, as bringing Noah off the bench might be unpopular in Chicago, but Thibs could say, look we have you, Jo, Boozer as our main front court players, you will each get around 32 minutes a game. Would Perkins be terribly unhappy about that scenario? And I could see Noah being willing to be a good team player and coming off the bench for Perkins to start.
The other guy is Greg Oden. Blazers turned down a pretty decent package from the Nets...but still, that would give the Blazers a lot to think about if you extended a full boat MLE deal to Oden.
Otherwise we could sign stop gap big men like Nazr Mohmmad, Yao Ming, Nenad Krstic, Leon Powe, Aaron Gray, etc. to get by for front court depth.
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Wouldn't mind getting BG back... but not with that deal.
With his contract and the way he has been playing… Pistons should be the ones giving up picks.
by silentpete on Feb 26, 2011 12:01 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
If we're over the cap does it really matter what he's making?
We can keep all the players we have thanks to Bird rights (assuming the next CBA is similar to this one), and after that it’s just how fat JR’s wallet is.
This is the correct line of thinking.
We’re capped out for the foreseeable future, so adding Gordon’s contract doesn’t really hurt our team in terms of team building at this point. Then when it’s time to re-tool we can trade Gordon and Boozer’s expirings and hope we can get some players that help us keep up a championship run.
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Nah!
BG7 and the Bulls are done! I doubt you’ll make a splash at the end of what is considered a very weak draft. Besides I don’t think the Bulls need any young players while their window is nowish. Besides Thibs isn’t playing a rookie.
I’d look at a guy like Arron Affalo but I think Denver wants to resign him and JR Smith. No way do I give up Asik after what I saw from him last night. If Thibs would give him more minutes then I think he’ll be their best defensive big.
Yeah, you bring up a good point
I never thought Denver would part with Afflalo, but given the glut they have at the wings, maybe he is expendable. We shall see. I’d love to see it
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 26, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Afflalo is a restricted free agent
If we make him an outrageous offer, either they match and don’t have enough cash left over for JR Smith or they don’t match and we get literally the perfect back-court partner for Rose.
by JSB on Feb 26, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I see.
After watching both players I’ve been swayed more by Affalo’s play. JR Smith makes some foolish choices out there.
Yeah, but that all depends on how the CBA works out
We might not even be able to make an offer.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 26, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it's really hard to speculate about free agency right now
But, it’s fun to think about how great Afflalo would look in a Bulls uni.
I wouldn't mind BG coming back
but the Bulls will never do it, so I’m not gonna bother thinking about it. As for Kevin Martin, he would be a great pickup, but as we’ve seen, Houston is not fun to deal with. They’d probably want D Rose for him. Fuck Morey.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
what is up with your deals
you want to make Paxson look like Kahn? Talk about getting fleeced. 2 firsts for Gordon?! 3 firsts for Martin AND asik and taj. Yikes. Instead of paying Perkins we can just sign a shooting guard.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
We're giving up in the Gordon deal what currently is the 26th and 28th picks.
As for the Martin deal, we’d be giving up the 26th, 28th, and a similar pick in our own. Bobcats pick is the only one that might be good. I’m not going to lose sleep over giving up some late first round picks, and a heavily protected pick. If we really want those late first round picks back, we can probably just buy a better late first round pick for cash.
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Almost all "big" deals require 1st round draft picks
youre essentially saying throwing them away for BG is ok even though the Bulls let him walk out the door. The Houston deal is just awful, I didnt realize you want to give them 4 picks, but likely thats what the Rockets would ask for.
Frankly, I don’t think Gordon fits into what Thibs is going for defensively.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Feb 26, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
If Ray Allen could fit what
Thibs wants to do defensively, than surely BG could. One thing for sure, offensively he’d be the perfect fit for what Thibs wants to do.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Ray Allen is 6'5.
Ben Gordon is not.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
wow, great analysis
/not
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
and that's better than say Ben Jordan
is the equal of Ray Allen, who is a borderline hall of famer?
It wouldn’t work for a myriad of reasons on the defensive end, Ray Allen is much better at all things basketball related than Ben Jordan.
Let.
It.
Go.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Bulls are giving up too much in both of these deals
I also don’t think Houston wants to make a 5 for 1. trade They already have a bunch of C parts. I don’t think they want to acquire more C parts and give up the only B+ part that they have on their whole team.
Why in god's name would you want an inferior player to start over Joakim Noah?
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2011 12:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't it make more sense to sign a SG
Rather than give up half our roster for Kevin Martin and sign either Kendrick Perkins or a bunch of injured or washed up vets?
Perkins is a better defender than Noah by quite a bit.
And that has a lot of value when Carlos Boozer is your starting power forward.
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From the MLE
Offering Perkins a full MLE deal will put Oklahoma City in a tough position. If you force OKC to give Perkins $8-9 million a year, that could limit them from making a big free agency splash either this summer, or in 2012.
And if OKC isn’t re-signing them, he is going to find that it is a market for the MLE for him. The Hornets are the only team that are any good that can offer Perkins more than the MLE outside of OKC, and I think they probably don’t have too much interest bringing Perkins in on an expensive longterm deal since they probably know already that they will lose Paul to the Knicks or Clippers in 2012.
outside of New Orleans, if you look at the other teams with cap space, they are all horrible. 1. I don’t know why a bad team would spend big money on Kendrick Perkins….and 2. I think Kendrick Perkins probably values winning after playing on some championship teams.
I would guess that if he were to sign for the MLE, it would be with either us or Boston, maybe a team like San Antonio would get in the mix too.
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No, he most certainly is not.
I am amazed at how overrated Perkins’ defense is. He’s very good at what he does, but he’s a one-dimensional defender whose job is to bang down low against powerful bigs. Jo is so much more versatile than that and he is much longer and quicker.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 26, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep, pretty much
I don’t trust Perkins guarding the PnR the way I trust Noah.
by Stacey_Is_King on Feb 26, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Noah and Ibaka are perfect complements for Perkins, not replaceable by him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Mar 1, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm amazed at how little people here seem to actually watch NBA players defend.
Just because you’re built like a truck and can stop Dwight Howard doesn’t mean you’re an elite defender. Perkins is good at one aspect of D, without KG we’ve seen how easily guards can get in the paint and score on him.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 26, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Oden? Yao Ming?
You realize both of these guys haven’t played a full season in like… Ever? They are both also currently hurt… Again.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 26, 2011 12:40 AM CST reply actions
Agreed
Oden had the unfortunate luck of being far too injury prone, which didnt allow him to live up to his hype.
And Yao, pushed his body too the max and suffered for it. He’d play an NBA season and then during the summer would have commitments with his National Team.
by TonyTobacco on Feb 26, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Damn mobile phone. Meant to type:
My sentiments, exactly!
by smash! on Feb 26, 2011 7:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Saw Ben Gordon and stopped reading
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Feb 26, 2011 1:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Same here.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I think the fanpost overall had good ideas, but even mentioning BG is, ahem, polarizing here.
unfortunately.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
If we somehow got Kevin Martin, we'd probably have the best starting 5 in the NBA for the next 3-5 years.
But I just don’t think we’ll be able to make that happen. As for BG, there’s too many factors working against something happening there. I think that bridge is burned, at least for now.
If we somehow got Afflalo, I’d be ecstatic. Full MLE for JRich would also be nice, but I think he’ll find a better offer somewhere. I’d also be content with rolling the dice on signing Marcus Thornton to a reasonably sized offer sheet.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 26, 2011 1:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not that I know of.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 26, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
at the draft we will be worrying about who to bring in to help our back to back run
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
by sin on Feb 26, 2011 2:22 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I'm a little tired of the argument that the solution to the SG problem needs to be a great shooter
Yeah, it’d be nice to have someone who opens up driving lanes and can punish a defense for packing the lane, but I feel like the argument is eerily similar to Cleveland’s strategy to building a team around LeBron.
Yes, Rose is our best player, but the ball doesn’t need to be in his hands every play, and it would probably be beneficial if it wasn’t. I think Iggy or someone similar would be just as effective a back court mate to Rose, and probably moreso because of the flexibility he offers your offense. Think movement over isos and someone else able to attack the basket to allow Rose a bit of rest every few offensive possessions.
by jpm356 on Feb 26, 2011 2:56 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Cleveland didn't have big men nearly as good as Boozer or Noah though.
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by Andrew7 on Feb 26, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
SG issue??? what about Landry Fields
This guy has incredible talent and i definetly rate him as a player. He’s been conistant for the Knicks so far and i think you would serve really well in the back court with Rose.
Whats also great about this guy is that he can play the SF position as well, because hes a great rebounder.
Dont know what the situation is on Fields contract with the Knicks, but overall i think he’d make a good fit.
The Knicks won't give him up.
They didn’t give him up for Anthony, they certainly won’t give him up for picks.
will Fields be a RFA?
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 26, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Trade up in this weak draft for a better player.
Tired of you Deng haters...sigh. Here to show Deng and the Bulls some love!
by ChiTownBallz on Feb 26, 2011 7:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've gone back forth on this but I think the Bulls may have missed an opportunity
by not acquiring a 2 guard (particularly Stephen Jackson) if the team isn’t good enough to win now.
Here me out -
The Bulls payroll in 2010/11 will be $60 million, up from 54.5 million this season. That is mostly due to Noah extension kicking in. That is without adding 2 low level draft picks.
We are now to believe the Bulls are going to trade Asik, Taj, CJ, Bogans and 4 draft picks for Martin (or Iguodala) who will cost $12 million next season . The Bulls salary before the new CBA kicks in will be $60 million on a 7 man roster. They now have to fill out at least 5 roster spots including a back up PG and 2 back up big men (because Kurt Thomas will be worthless next year) to bolster our team. And this all after the new CBA kicks in which everyone is so worried about and with a Rose extension looming large in the future. I would love for the Bulls purse to this (although I think you give up far too much in this trade) but I don’t believe they will.
Instead, I think the Bulls should have traded for Stephen Jackson. The Bobcats were basically giving him away for free. The Bulls could have got Jackson for a 1st round pick in 2011 and 12, Watson, Bogans and Scalabrine. The Bobcats gave away Wallace for 2 mid first round picks. Well, Jackson has less value. Look at how Portland played this in comparison to the Bulls. The Bulls turned down a needed piece that could have got to them to the championship – Portland got an extra piece just so they could finish 5th in the Western Conference and give OKC or LA trouble.
Looking at the salaries, in 2011/12 you add only $6 million to the payroll but you have your top 9 guys under contract plus, both your young big men, and a late 1st round pick. That is 10 guys, the rest can be minimum contract guys – Payroll about $69 million
In 2012/13, you have Noah, Boozer and Deng for $39 million. You add in Jackson on the final year of his contract for a little over $10 million. You figure Rose doesn’t get the qualifying offer, he gets a full extension, whatever that is, lets say $16 million. Taj makes a little more than $2 million that season. You have a low level guy making about $1 million. You have to resign Asik. But you have Korver and Brewer on extremely cheap buyouts. At the very least you have 7 guys under contract including all 5 of your starters and a way to offer Asik an affordable deal with only about $60 million of committed salary.
Aren’t you in a much better position than going for some home run trade where you have to give up half your team? You’ve given yourself a better chance to win a championship in the present and you’ve maintained your young core for as long as possible.
Since all what I said is now a pipe dream (unless the Bulls can get Jackson over the summer for the same cheap deal) the Bulls best hope may be hoping that they can get a guy like Jason Richardson, Jamal Crawford or Shannon Brown for the mid-level exception (if it still exists) next season. But any way you slice it, with the way the Bulls have approached this, if the mid level exception is gone you are eventually going to have give up Taj and/or Asik and draft picks to acquire a 2. If those guys are so valuable, and I think they are, why not take the option that puts those guys at less risk while still providing a competent 2 guard?
For a List of 2011 free agents –
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-7583462
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 26, 2011 8:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, ive been slowly coming around to the idea that jackson might have been the move. nice
argument BS.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
i mean, im still not sure, but ive been thinking about it a bit.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
Nice post.
I sort of dismissed the Jackson talk because I figured the Bulls wouldn’t go for it due to the money, but there’s a good chance you’re right that he was the best play.
Here’s another name I was thinking of last night that we might be able to get with the MLE. Caron Butler. Pretty bad knee injury, and he’s getting up there in age, but he’s got good size and is a pretty versatile offensive player. He’s the the three point specialist everyone is looking for, but he can knock down a corner 3 and create his own shot a little bit. Plus, you can slide him over to small forward to give Deng a rest when Brewer or Korver come in.
I get the idea of Stephen Jackson, but as a singluar example he's not the same as another high-priced SG
because he’s sortof crazy and can turn on a team/coach in an instant.
Then again he’s thrived in winning situations before, too, and has won as many titles in his career as the ‘Chemistry-12’ put together (1)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, Bulls maybe more satisfied with their backcourt than one would think
Ive been saying for awhile now that Bulls are more likely to draft a shooting gaurd than trade for one, IMO. Bulls need a role player at shooting gaurd. Yes, the 2011 NBA draft is short on IMPACT players but maybe not short on role players.
DEN
I think Afflalo and Chandler are both RFAs. Not sure Denver can (or would want to) pay both— especially if they bring back JR Smith. I know Chandler is listed as a SF, but he can play (and has played) at the SG position. I’d make a run on the odd man out.
by Stay Chisel on Feb 26, 2011 10:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree.. I'd take either
another prospect.. we might consider under the radar is “reggie williams”, he gets limited minutes playing time behind Step Curry and Monta Ellis…
Reggie Williams with an vastly improved 3pt shot .. 6’4" height bare foot (not sure about his defense..especially with Golden State)
Williams has been consistently scoring in double figures of late as he entered Wednesday’s game averaging 10.7 PPG over his last 10 contests. Still, he doesn’t get a ton of minutes and he does little else but score when he’s on the court.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1738801/reggie-williams
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reggie-Williams-1232/playerblog/
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by exult463 on Feb 26, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't f*** up this frontcourt!
Shooters can be found late in drafts.
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks'
by Asiksonofabeach on Feb 26, 2011 10:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah thats my opinion too.
I read this title and thought it was going to be draft oriented rather than a BG post. With two late round picks the Bulls could roll the dice and get lucky on a player that can shoot and has length at the 2 spot. Fitting a player in next year is going to be a lot easier with the entire team knowing the Thibs system. Getting a rookie to play defense will take less than half the season.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 26, 2011 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is the offseason that shapes our dynasty team
(Of course this is assuming that the next CBA will be something similar to this one)
With possibly as many as 7 total picks in the next 2 drafts, having money come off the books to the tune of about $6 mil in cap space, and coming off a (hopefully) run to the ECF or Finals.
The same guys who were available at the deadline will be available, when the draft comes around, but I would think at lower price tags. As teams try to position themselves for the free agent market. So again, look for us to be in talks for OJ Mayo and Courtney Lee. I would throw in Iggy and Kevin Martin as a possible trade targets, but Iggy’s $12 mil price tag over the next 4 years kinda scares me. As far as free agents go, the most attractive names that will be out there are mostly backup SF material. I would take a chance at trying to pick up Caron Butler or Shane Battier to back up Deng.
"I would take a chance at trying to pick up Caron Butler or Shane Battier to back up Deng."
I’ve never loved him as a player, but I think Battier could be pretty great on this team as Deng’s designated back-up (especially in the context of the player-usage tendencies Thibodeau has demonstrated so far).
I agree. Battier would be a great pick up to come off of the bench. That would allow Korver and Brewer to play SG full time. Then all we would need to focus on this summer is finding a back up PG other than Watson. I don’t see Thibs keeping Watson around after this year. This should make the Bulls better, how much better I’m not sure. We will have to wait and see how much better we need to get after the playoffs this year.
4 players
and 4 picks for Kevin Martin?
Like, that’s not even legal.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I have to keep re-reading that because I can't believe it
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
It's legal in a draft day trade.
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legal as in
“You should be locked up if you consummate that trade”
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Someones on some good crack here
i think we need to change things in this post…Number we need a shooting guard and thats it..Not gordon who cant dribble or play D we dont need him thnx..we got draft picks use them to get someone.
Brandon Roy would be my other major target.
But I have no idea how to gauge what his value would be on the trade market, and whether the Blazers would even be willing to trade him.
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Sounds reasonable...
Bulls wouldn’t draft college monster Dejuan Blair because he had no ACL because his low dollar rookie salary was guaranteed, but they’ll pay Roy the $50MM or whatever he’s owed for the next few years and torpedo any chance they have to extend Rose to improve as SG.
by Stay Chisel on Feb 26, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
We're capped out.
If we wouldn’t re-sign Rose because we have Roy on the roster, that’s just Jerry Reinsdorf being cheap and stupid. Roy doesn’t stop us from extending Rose in any way.
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But Roy's knees sorta stop him from playing basketball.
…so there’s that.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
You don't know that..
Who knows what the new CBA will be. You certainly don’t trade for a guy who has to retire in the next few years if it means you can’t resign the best thing to happen to your team in 25 years.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 28, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
1998 wasnt THAT long ago
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Mar 1, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I had a semi long post refuting each trade
but decided to just say that you’re insane, and i’ll never click on a trade thread by you again.
If the Bulls already decided they didn’t want to pay that much money for a player of Gordon’s skillset, why in Sam Smith would they all of a sudden want to pay the price of 2 of their assets plus 2 first round picks for the same player, except when he’s playing worse than before the last rejection.
We got rid of Gordon to make a run at Lebron.
Now we’re capped out. Back then, getting rid of Gordon allowed us flexibility in team building. Now as a capped out team, his contract is pretty irrelevant, it will expire while we’re still a good team, and then we can trade his expiring to re-tool.
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I agree with others - with all due respect, you're insane, or on crack
I almost thought this was a joke:
My offer to the Rockets would be C.J. Watson, Keith Bogans, Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, the Bulls 2011 Pick, the Heat’s 2011 pick, the Bulls 2012 pick, and the Bobcats 2012 pick.
You would trade 4 first-round picks (albeit late in the round), and 80% of our bench (including 2 excellent backup bigs who could start for many teams in the Association) for one starting player who isn’t named LeBron, Dwight, Dwyane, or Kobe? That’s certifiable!! Certifiably insane. We would lose ALL of our depth, and go to war with only Boozer and Noah on our front line – two guys who have both missed significant time with injuries this year (and in years past). Totally nuts.
Greg Oden? WTF?
The first rule of being in a hole is: STOP DIGGING. But then you follow on your insanity with this gem:
Brandon Roy would be my other major target.
FYI – Roy is playing on borrowed time.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf/2011/02/post_4.html
Consulting surgeon said that the Blazers had already operated twice before on Roy’s knee, and the surgeon said, “Either the original doctor who did those procedures wasn’t forthcoming with the Blazers… or the team was in complete denial about what was going on with his knees.”
Apparently, no other way to explain Roy’s $83 million contract.
The “consulting surgeon” whispers that he believes the best-case strategy for handling Roy is this: A) Limit Roy’s practice reps to almost nothing; B) Play him off the bench in 65-75 or so games a season, choosing rest in key spots; C) pray.
Surgeon suspects the Blazers might get 1-2 years out of Roy employing this strategy. Right now, I think they’d take that, and hope for the best. Roy is a fierce competitor and I won’t count him out.
You do realize that Roy is still in the first year of a five-year max contract estimated at $83 million? It’s widely guessed that he’s being paid $14MM this season with 10.5% increases, and he holds the option for the fifth season which would pay him about $20MM. So you’d be on the hook for 4 years and $69MM for a guy who might have only 100-150 games of bench production left in his career? Super. And how, exactly, do the Bulls afford to re-up Derrick Rose when the time comes?
I have to say, after reading this nuttiness, I will never read your dabullz website, nor do I ever have the desire to click on any of your links in the future. But that’s just my opinion. Others may differ.
by Sweetness Lives On on Feb 27, 2011 8:42 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Roy would be a risk, but Dejuan Blair and Grant Hill are still playing just fine.
No one’s suggesting giving up any of our core players for him. I don’t really hold guys like C.J. Watson and Kyle Korver as being all too valuable. You can get away on draft day trading Watson, Korver, Bogans, and Scalabrine for Roy. I wouldn’t be upset giving away two bench players for a potential allstar shooting guard.
I wouldn’t give up any of our core players (Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah) in a trade for any of these shooting guard targets.
Dwight Howard is the only guy I would trade core pieces for, which is something I hope we do this summer.
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With pieces as injured as often as Boozer and Noah
[and with a certain PF being chronically unable to guard anybody or anything], it increases the value of the backups by a lartge amount.
Basically, without the trade, our depth looks like this:
Rose/Watson
Bogans/Brewer/Korver
Deng/Korver/Brewer
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Asik/Thomas
With the trade, our depth looks like this:
Rose[/?]
Martin/Brewer/Korver
Deng/Korver/Brewer
Boozer[/??]
Noah/Thomas
We basically have no defensive backup for Boozer [have you watched Boozer? it’s kind of important], no real backup for Noah [KT will last for a little while but he’s already pretty much done, think about after this year], no backup for Rose at all. Oh, and you traded all four of our picks, so our holes are now filled with D-League players that probably suck. We’d be like the Heat but worse.
And saying Roy would be a risk but Dejuan Blair and Grant Hill are playing just fine – well, they were low-risk acquisitions. Roy, meanwhile, is making all-star money for the next five years or so. And it’s universally agreed that his knees are destroyed – there isn’t debate on this like Blair’s problems, and Grant Hill mainly injured his ankle, not his knee. [And he went to the Suns, who apparently work miracles.]
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Potential all star shooting guard??
He already is and was one. This isn’t a question of potential.
This is a question of WHEN will Roy’s career end, not IF. It is fact that his knees are literally GONE and he’s being paid to the tune of 80MM dollars to sit around and have surgery. If this was not the case…then yes, good on the Bulls to offer for him. But looking past that imaginary scenario where they would, then why would Portland trade him? How would the Bulls pay Rose?
eegad.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
seriously...worst trade proposal ever.
not to mention the Bulls can’t even trade back-to-back picks in 2011 and 2012.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
Why do we have to give up anything for Ben Gordon?
Shouldn’t they be giving us draft picks to take his contract off their hands?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 28, 2011 9:46 AM CST reply actions


















