It's buyout season, Gar says expect 'nothing significant'
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 10:39 AM CST
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Hey, why would we ever?!!! Zing!
Anyway, here's Gar on buyouts from Thursday's press conference:
There will be a buyout market, there always is. We’ll be on top of that. We’ll add a player or two players. I don’t see something that’s going to significantly impact our team. I don’t know when the right time is. But when the opportunity presents itself, we want to position ourselves to be ready to jump on it.
And if you look around, it's hard to disagree. The buyout names I've read are Troy Murphy, Jared Jeffries, Jason Kapono, TJ Ford...no real SGs to speak of so far. I don't see Rip Hamilton being bought out with the ownership in flux in Detroit (and him not wanting to take a dime less than he's owed). Michael Redd was brought up here but then shut down.
And like the trade deadline, it's really only significant if they could get someone demonstrably better than Keith Bogans. Otherwise we're talking end of the bench (for instance, I wouldn't want TJ Ford as the backup but he's cool in the John Lucas role) and likely D-Leaguers.
If there is someone good, the Bulls do have an edge in that they can use their nearly $3m in cap room whereas other contenders can offer the minimum or whatever exceptions they may have left (I believe Orlando may have some). But as we saw in the offseason, players will take less to go where they want, especially Miami.
(I won't get into the other stuff Gar said about the future CBA and 'home runs' and whatever, that's it's own...thing. )
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Is "the John Lucas role" someone who can come off the bench in the last minute ice cold and brick free throws?
by pooriejay on Feb 25, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
and display an affinity for buffalo wings
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
gar's home run
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
1/27/11 - The day the nerdosphere and their stats jumped the shark, trying to use them to disprove the obvious.
by anorexorcist on Feb 25, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
haha
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by paddyfairview on Feb 26, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Tashaun Prince brought up somewhere too.
Hmmm… I will look for a link.
that means Prince won't be bought out
else they would’ve just taken the late 1st for him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TJ Ford would be a nice pickup for 3rd pg role.
He’s got speed and some offensive game and maybe you could play him and Watson together at times.
oro?
and maybe you could play him and Watson together at times.
Garbage time?
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls don't need a SG as much as they need a backup SF
Mostly so Luol Deng doesn’t have to play 40 minutes a night. I hope the Jared Jeffries to NY rumors aren’t true. But they probably are.
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by chibullsareback on Feb 25, 2011 11:29 AM CST reply actions
They do need a SG, did you saw the game last night, they barely won that game just because of the lack of offense. The bulls are lucky that they have deng. Yes we’re the #1 defense in the league, but we need more scoring. I do with agree with you, we do need a SF too.
"The bulls are lucky that they have Deng."
I’m glad this is finally beginning to become the overwhelming sentiment of Bulls fans — though I would like to see his 3P% return to 35+%.
Last night you were saying
“Idk why fans like Deng, he sucks in big games”
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
by T.Moore on Feb 25, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Brewer and Korver are backup SFs, no?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Not very good ones.
They play out of position at SF, and judging by Deng’s minutes they don’t satisfy Thibs at SF.
ok, but better than Jared Jefferies
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
They seem much more naturally suited to the 3 than the 2 if you’re going to make what is really a pretty artificial distinction about it.
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I think the bigger point is Thibs doesn't trust them at the 3.
If he did, Lu wouldn’t be getting run into the ground.
that has very little to do with it
deng’s going to play big minutes no matter what, he’s got the IQ, the hustle and the tools. thibs was talking him up before he even got the job.
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"thibs was talking him up before he even got the job."
And then some; the man clearly loves him some Luol.
Jeffries is a defensive guy
who can guard threes and smaller fours. I think Thibs leaves Deng in for so long because he can’t trust anyone else defensively. The Bulls could use Jeffries just to spell Deng for a few minutes a game, and if he can hit a three or something that’s gravy. Unless some shooting guard gets thrown into the list of guys who are going to get bought out, the Bulls aren’t going to find an upgrade to the Bogans/Korver/Brewer situation on the waiver wire. Might as well find someone who can keep Deng fresh.
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by chibullsareback on Feb 25, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
isn't that college? 8 years ago?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, I'd at least offer him a shot
One more way to screw with the Knicks.
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the roster spot does have to go to someone
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Uhh...Orien Green
I’m pretty sure there’s a note card stuck to a seat on the end of the bench with “sit here D League guy” written on it already
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
hey, he's not just a DLeague
dude was a contributor to those awful pre-KG Celtics teams. I used to follow them a lot, and by follow I mean rip Celtics fans and tell them they should give up hope and trade Pierce for Luol Deng.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I think is amazing
Orien Green has more NBA game experience than James Johnson. So legally, if they pick him up does Thibs have to play him?
Pre-KG teams….you used to rip all 16 Boston fans? How’d you find the time
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Orien Green
has the highest PER in the entire NBA this season with a whopping 33. In the 5 minutes he’s played for NJ this season, his efficiency is off the charts. Homerun baby. Pun intended.
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by chibullsareback on Feb 25, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
lol at first I was like
“….JJ? Where you been man?”
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
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They don't need another backup SG as much as they need a backup SF.
They have three backup SGs but no genuine starting SGs. But at this point they aren’t going to get a starter. Therefore I agree with you that they should instead look for a backup SF, and also, I judge, a better backup PG.
by Tim S. on Feb 25, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
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by chibullsareback on Feb 25, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Although
I’m a lot happier with CJ Watson than most people seem to be on this site. I haven’t thrown myself into the Blogabull fray in a while so I don’t know what caused this rift between you guys and C.J. He’s been a fine stopgap for Rose. I’m not sure what fans expect from their backup point guards. I can’t recall a single game where I said to myself “That Damn C.J. Watson! He just lost the Bulls the game!”. That’s the way it should be.
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by chibullsareback on Feb 25, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at Watson's stats
Inefficient scoring, low scoring, low assists, low rebounds — there are lots of reasons to dislike Watson. If you haven’t noticed it during games, it’s probably because the second unit is propped up by the good defense of Asik, Gibson, Brewer, and Deng (who apparently is part of both the first and second units). And Watson isn’t horrible on defense, apart from rebounding. But he is horrible on offense, at least this year, and because he is playing point guard the Bulls can’t hide his offensive flaws.
lol, so true
it’s probably because the second unit is propped up by the good defense of Asik, Gibson, Brewer, and Deng (who apparently is part of both the first and second units).
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would never reference per 36 minute stats
for someone who barely plays a third of that. That’s like judging someone’s 40 yard dash on the first 13 yards.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Probably so.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
It's not like that in any way, shape or form. But to each his own belief, I guess.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah that makes no sense
Dr. Handsome’s essentially swig we can never use stats to evaluate players who come off the bench.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Swig?
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Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Don't make a declaration as to how something is
and then say ‘to each is own.’ That’s pretty much copping out on the first part of your comment.
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Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
I fully believe in others to believe in fake realities. Otherwise, me being in the real world would have less value.
I’m saying that there is no logical or empirical reason to believe that those two things are alike, but if you want to believe in something based on faith, I’m alright with that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Mo Pete do anything for you? me neither
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions
He's terrible. Really it's pointless to go through the bargain bin.
The only point was to get a player who would replace Bogans, we’re not getting that anymore.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
How about Derrick Brown?
I know nothing about him but the few Bobcats fans there are seeme to be surprised/upset he is being waved. I’m not saying he would play but as insurance in case the Juggernaut (aka Luol Deng) gets hurt.
Mo Pete could also be insurance in case Bogans or Korver get injured (3pt shooting).
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
i noticed he's a pretty good defender and surprisingly athletic
during the tyrus stalking following.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
supposedly he's a really bad defender actually
but yes, athleticism.
New sig coming, but it's a process.
larry brown was playing him
i was surprised
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He can make your genital ulcerous if you're not careful around him
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I've said this a couple times elsewhere, so sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record
But if we can add TJ Ford and upgrade at backup PG, we’ll be much better off. Ford’s had a pretty terrible year statistically, but I think the effect of the primary ballhandler on the flow of the offense often goes beyond what shows up in the box score. Ford has proven that he can be the guy in charge of directing and facilitating an effective offense, while Watson has not demonstrated that ability. The Bulls have a 101 ORtg while Watson is on the floor, which is pretty terrible (the Bucks are dead last in the league in overall ORtg at 101.2). Despite Ford having a putrid TS% and a replacement-level PER, the Pacers have still managed a 102 ORtg while hes out there on the floor. Additionally, Ford’s played much better than this in the past, so if he can bounce back to some extent, he’ll be a dramatic upgrade to CJ Watson.
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by Poloplaya14 on Feb 25, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
but his defense is so much worse than Watson's
and I’m not sure a guy who ‘facilitates’ is what the Bulls 2nd unit needs anyway.
Maybe you could say in the playoffs you’re so nervous about non-rose time that you’d just want a PG to not kill you (which Watson can do when he’s off)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's a concern of mine, but not one TJ Ford is going to alleviate
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't worry about the playoffs. Derrick is going to play like 44 minutes
However, I’m warming to the idea of Ford. He’s a douche, and he can’t play defense, but he’s not as bad as he showed with the Pacers, which were a terrible fit for him.
In these respects, he’s sort of like OJ Mayo.
The reason I hear people saying Mayo would be helpful is that he could create his own shot while Rose is off the court. Well, out of all those buyout clowns, Ford is the only one who can do that. So I can see that he would actually bring something sort of important to the table for us.
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my argument against this was my argument for courtney lee
it’s not that much use having guys with one great skill and one glaring deficit. i know he could be used in certain situations and wouldn’t get playoff minutes. i just see a bad defensive player getting absolutely buried on this team. to the point it isn’t worth acquiring him over a d-league guy who might still be able to learn something.
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Big picture I agree, but in this particular instance I don't
If we were talking about a guy who might potentially play a bunch of minutes or cause controversy, I’d completely agree. I’m with you on Lee.
But when we talk about Ford, we’re talking about giving a guy a specific but extremely limited role (No way Rose’s backup plays more than 12mpg), and one that’s set up to maximize his strength (which is our main weakness), and to cover up his weakness (by playing him with Taj and Omer).
And yeah, we aren’t giving up 3 draft picks to do it
And of course, we’re not actually giving
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I would like to give it a shot.
CJ is putrid, and what is more he doesn’t know he’s putrid, so he keeps missing shots and turning over the ball. There has to be a better option.
sometimes I feel like a Bogans-defender with the stuff I read here about Watson
CJ Watson is alright by me.
(and Bogans defenders are sick human beings)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fast little guys give Derrick fits from time to time.
SEE: State, Golden
TJ ford won’t be defending Rose though.
Watson just does things that bother me.
He’s not too too bad, he has some annoying basketball tendencies.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
You're not alone
I’m a Watson defender. It’s not a fun existence.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 26, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
especially when you have a persecution complex.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
by TheMoon on Feb 26, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get why some people are so anti-Watson
Yeah, he isn’t good, but it seems like he tries to play within himself. I haven’t noticed any of the selfish play others have, and he is damn good on the defensive side.
in his defense
he is the only person capable of getting his own shot in the 2nd unit. If the offense breaks down, there is no one to bail him out. When it happens to the starters, Rose makes a play (or Deng, Noah, Boozer). Taj, Omer, Brewer and Korver don’t have the same capabilities.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Seems to me that Brewer and Korver would be a lot more useful offensively with a good passing PG
Those guys are great at moving without the ball, so I think they’d benefit more playing next to a prototypical drive-and-kick PG.
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by Poloplaya14 on Feb 25, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
true, but TJ Ford doesn't like to pass
maybe its Indy’s offense. But since he has been there his ast% and PER 36 assists numbers have been pretty bad.
You may be right about Ford improving the team. Still, I doubt the Bulls go for him. He isn’t there type of guy.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
He's a terrible point guard but I don't think the team is really suffering for it. Plus he's a solid defensive player.
I really like Watson/Brewer/Taj/Asik on the floor, they always seem to cause havoc.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think they cause havoc simply because Taj and Asik are that good at defending the paint
I don’t think that group would miss a beat on D without Watson.
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by Poloplaya14 on Feb 25, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
CJ gets his hands on a lot of balls. He is pretty good on the break too. I think yfbb’s point is that the rest of our second unit is so putrid on offense that we need a guy like CJ who can create and jack up shots. He might not be very efficient, but he’s going to get better shots than a PG like Ford dishing to Asik/Brewer/Taj.
by JSB on Feb 25, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
gets his hands on a lot of balls
lulz
by obnoxious american on Feb 25, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
I look at him just the opposite. Terrible defensively
A real liability. Undersized and didn’t want to work at it with the Pacers.
Offensively, he’s a guy who makes his living by taking it to the rack. The Pacers getting him to run the Jim O’Brien offense was absurd. He wanted a guy who could shoot 3s and defend, which is exactly what Ford didn’t do well.
I’m not a fan, as you can see, but despite this, I’m coming around to thinking he might not be bad idea. For 10 minutes a game, if you put Omer and Taj up front, Kyle and CJ on the wings, and let TJ drive and kick, it could be a very effective lineup. The bigs won’t score, but they’ll clean up a lot of CJ and TJ’s mistakes, and TJ driving can be pretty much unstoppable.
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It appears he's discussing both players
Specifically: how they might co-exist in the Bulls’ second-unit, were the Bulls to acquire Ford subsequent to his release.
Yeah, I was confused. I thought Ozzie was talking about TJ, but I see now he was talking about CJ
But yeah… my post was about TJ and how he and CJ might actually be pretty good together. Kind of like a homeless man’s version of Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry.
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I like this idea
can someone explain to me what ORtg is?
Offensive Rating
For players it is points produced per 100 posessions, while for teams it is points scored per 100 possessions.
I think TJ has a bad rep chemistry wise
And we know the Org isn’t going to do anything to weaken our greatest strength!
What do the Hornets have?
The NBA is running the club. What can they engineer for us?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to satisfy Mark Cuban
i think they are going to buy out David West and Chris paul contracts while building the team around the White Panther
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Cuban has a legitimate beef...
As a partial owner of that team, the owners should have been consulted before the Hornets were allowed to take on salary.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
but the owners are going to all make money when the team is sold
if the team is just suppose to drift in limbo than you might as well contract them now. But as long as they plan to keep the team alive, and they plan to sell it, and they have paying fans, they owe it to the customer to keep the team viable.
Someone figured that the move would probably cost Cuban’s Mavericks about $60,000. Big whoop. His beef was that New Orleans is a team he could possibly see in the playoffs and they got better. Sour grapes
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
not really
he’s consulted with their budget, and they approved that budget and stayed within it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Cuban is just bitching. they didn't break any rules. i imagine he supports contraction
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
i'd assume Iguodala or Martin in the summer
perhaps getting J Rich or even someone like James Harden. I think there will be some shooting guards of decent quality available over the summer.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
yup
he means the summer. Reinsdorf will be gearing up for his own home run: crushing the players union. So maybe 2012, guys :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
not really
if it’s a true hard cap near the current level, they’re well over it with a Rose extension
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
(nobody's in great shape with a hard cap unless maybe if it's near the tax line)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's why i don't see how you make one
do you take three years and let contracts expire, or just ship all your expiring guys overseas, or what? it makes no sense.
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there are probably ways to implement it
without turning the league on its head. one way would be to introduce it gradually. maybe at like 10% above the tax threshold, then work down incrementally. i haven’t thought about it much, but there are likely viable options that expensive lawyers will work hard to find if the owners really want the hard cap.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Well, the Bulls are in better shape than most.
Mainly because Reinsdorf is cheap.
I don’t think there should be a hard cap, mind you. And if there is one, sooner or later it will bite us in the butt the way it did the Blackhawks.
How could they even do that then?
Make 20+ teams struggle to keep their players, it’s just ridiculous. No way that will happen.
Well they wouldn't set a hard cap at the current cap level
I would assume it would be more or less at the current lux tax level.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 25, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
havent the Bulls taught you anything?
WE CAN’T ASSUME ANYTHING
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
After the trades, they made I was thinking Harden
Might become available this summer. They’re going to have to extend Westbrook, and you figure they didn’t just get Perkins for a rental, so they’ll probably extend him. Plus, Ibaka is also coming up for extension. Someone is the odd man out, and I don’t think they can get rid of Collison’s terrible contract.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 25, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think OKC wants to deal Harden
I read somewhere that with the departure of Green they might give Harden more minutes to boost the offense (Ibaka replaces Thabo as the defensive specialist).
Maybe
Green and Ibaka play totally different positions from Harden though.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Think about it
The lineup before was Westbrook/Thabo/Durant/Green/Kristic
Now it’s Westbrook/Harden/Durant/Ibaka/Perkins. Neither Perk nor Ibaka can create their own shot or are shooters. With the departure of Green, the Thunder need somebody to take those outside shots. Thabo can’t so enter Harden. Thabo’s loss on defense is made up a little bit by the fact that Ibaka and Perkins are much better at defending the rim.
by JSB on Feb 25, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
me too
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
use the rec button
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
I did. Can't you see that with your all-seeing eye?
C’mon omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent one!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Collison's contract is not terrible...
Its heavily front loaded, so he will be easily tradeable in the next couple of years.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
Collison's contract isn't terrible
I think for just this year it is high and then it drops low. They used all their remaining cap space to reward him or something like that.
Harden would be terrific, but don't know why OKC would deal him,
unless they think they won’t be able to afford him. And I see us in much the same boat.
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Well they did just pick up Nate Robinson
and since they have Maynor I’m sure Robinson is going to be more of a scoring 2 than a backup PG.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
well if they can't afford Harden they can't afford anyone on that list
I’d assume it would be some combination of picks and low value contracts (taj, Brewer, CJ, Korver) to get it done.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
what about Omer Asik and Taj Gibson
how about the Charlotte pick? That is all stuff we didn’t offer for Courtney Lee. These things are fluid. I’m not saying K-Mart is likely (he is definitely the least likely of the people I mentioned) but he is hardly untouchable.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well, they might feel Lee is a similar option at a cheaper price
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
kevin martin = heat rings
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
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Wizards and new guard Mike Bibby are discussing a possible buyout, a source told Y! Sports.
Bibby would be a good backup PG for Rose, and it’d enable CJ to be more of a second-unit two. Still, I’d rather have a bigger G/F to spell Deng from time to time, too, but this could be a good compromise, given Bibby’s playoff experience.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Hell, Bibby could even run point with Derrick at time if the matchups call for it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
It would be pure murder if the Heat got him.
Ugh. The three-douches have ensured the attention of every ring-chasing vet in perpetuity. Is he a great player? Of course not. But he’s a hell of a lot better then Arroyo and Chalmers.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Bibby isn't good anymore.
All he is is a 3 point shooter with minor distribution skills. And he’s a dog on defense now. I don’t think he makes them much better.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
all they need is a consiste 3 pt shooter at the pg spot
and Bibby has made big shots in the past
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, 'only a 3 point shooter' is something we could use
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Arroyo is shooting 43.8% from 3.
That’s not the problem. And when they need D they have Chalmers. And before you shout ‘sample size’ there is a reason why his sample size is so small. Well, 2 reasons:
LeRod and Wade.
When James Jones comes in all he does is chuck 3s. Mike Miller is a 3pt chucker. I don’t see Bibby adding much more of anything to that team.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i think Mike Bibby is a little bit better than Arroyo
(okay, a lot better). But I don’t care to much to argue about it. Bibby can play pick and roll and actually run an offense. He is just extremely slow footed on D.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I know you don't care to argue about it
but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I’ve never heard any knock on Arroyo’s inability to run an offense and even if Bibby could or would run an offense, only two guys run the offense in Miami and neither are point guards.
If Bibby is better than Arroyo, it’s not by much, and he’s not better than the Arroyo/Chalmers combo.
The Heat need continuity and interior help; not another guy to stand around the perimeter and chuck 3s.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Bibby has been better than Arroyo their entire careers
Arroyo’s shooting numbers are now inflated playing with Lebron and Wade. Last year Arroyo shot 28% from 3. He has been in and out of the NBA. If you put Bibby in that position, those are knocked down shots.
Bibby has been a starter for a playoff team for like the last 10 straight years. Its not all about numbers. If you give Bibby the type of space Arroyo routinely gets he will do major damage. Plus, he has never in his career been afraid of taking and making the big shot.
I do think Chalmers is better than Bibby. But a Bibby/Chalmers PG rotation is better than one that has Arroyo.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Bibby has definitely had the better career.
But the sun is setting on Bibby. There’s a reason he was traded for Kirk ‘Dribble’ Hinrich who is definitely an inferior shooter.
Even if Bibby is capable of making the big shot, I do not think that mitigates his putrid defense.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat: Mission Accomplished. Heat got LUOLZed.
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 25, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"There’s a reason he was traded for Kirk ‘Dribble’ Hinrich"
Don’t forget Kirk’s annually-declining salary: another win for Paxson!
when they D? when don't you? Bibby is an awful defender
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
The last thing they need is another guy who will camp at the 3-point line.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
really? it looks to me as if they need anyone who can actually can contribute
offensively besides the big 3.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
44% this year. Miami point guards don't even bring the ball up.
He’s a good fit for them. Not so for us.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I would laugh my ass off if they signed Bibby. Chalmers is one of the few point guards that can actually defend Rose.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 25, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
they aren't going to be playing the Bulls in every round
he can defend Rondo and Fisher
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
and when I say he can defend Rondo I mean
he can stand 5 ft away from him and hope for the best like everyone else does
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
he does seem like someone who would be Heat-bound
cue Sam Smith post about Bibby’s character issues.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon... aren't we advanced enough here not to describe homosexuality as a "character issue"?
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
ha!
especially here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
More from Spears
After clearing waivers, as expected, big man Leon Powe is expected to get interest from BOS, LAL & NYK. Ex-Celtics preference is Boston.
I’d say the Celtics pretty much have to bring back Powe at this point.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
Bulls can offer more for Powe right ?
This is one of those times you overbid and just stick him to the bench. Leon Powe needs that money.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 25, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
We don't need Powe, though.
He’s not a shooter, and he’s not a ball-handler.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Spears is all over the buyout beat:
Forward Jared Jeffries has just worked out a buyout from the Rockets, source tells Y! Sports.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
JJ is pretty destined to go to the Knicks
He always amazed me. I’ve never seen a guy who looked more like a basketball player who delivered so little.
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by Sports2 on Feb 25, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i saw him
live when i was a member of orange krush and he was at IU, definitely a specimen. he stood out in comprison to the rest of the guys on the court.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
wow
its one thing to stand out amonst brian cook, frank williams and jared odle, its another in an actual NBA game.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Please, lord, let the great Keuster fandango
end in a Rip Hamilton buyout. I promise to sacrifice you many goats, to forswear swearing (even against Lebron), and to give up that dirty habit: blogging when I should be working.
(We’ll see how that goes)
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by MPG on Feb 25, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They said on the score that RIP, Prince, and TMAC skipped practice today...
not sure if that will end up meaning anything, but clearly, they aren’t happy.
So ... if all three are somehow bought out (yeah, right) ...
… whom should the Bulls acquire?
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Only problem I could see with Rip is he pretty much has to run around in that same pick crazy scheme to be effective.
But I guess it works alright when we do it for Korver. I dunno.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
it was a player protest against kuester. they might fire the coach, they are NOT buying out these guys
they’d have to eat a TON of money, look at the contracts. there’s no way.
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hamilton screwed his chance at a buyout when he wouldn't agree to terms
with Cleveland. He’s done. I find it hard to believe he could recoup most of that money via free agency, but whatever.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
really?
rip had a chance to be bought out and wanted to cash in completely on that contract and now he’s skipping practice?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
A day after the trade deadline passed, half the Pistons players missed Friday morning’s shootaround in what a team source called a “player protest.” Tracy McGrady, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton and Chris Wilcox did not show up to Friday’s morning shootaround. Ben Wallace also wasn’t present, but has been dealing with an ongoing family matter for the past several weeks. Detroit News
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz1F0IBJ2ze
by Supasam on Feb 25, 2011 2:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Piston FO is lame, they aint going anywhere with RIP and Prince. I feel sorry for them, they probably will never be on a winning team
Prince and Rip have championship rings...
Unless you mean never on a winning team AGAIN.
by Khalid El-Amin on Feb 25, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Why the hell are Wilcox and McGrady protesting?
at least Prince and Hamilton have some history there. I’m sure Ben Wallace took the protest as another day off.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
The cool kids are.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dunno about tmac
but i think it’s more about protesting for rip and prince
Sad
The best case scenario for the Bulls for a while now has really been a Rip buyout. And yesterday he could have had one. I can understand him not taking it; reportedly he would have had to waive nine million dollars and there is no guarantee that he could then have signed for nearly that much this summer. But he would have been a SG with a 15 PER and a reputation for decent defense, potentially to be had with no sacrifice of assets. Bummer. I dont see any way the Pistons buy him out at this point; their best hope is some kind of amnesty in the CBA that would allow them to buy him without his number counting against their cap.
if it was only $9 million he was giving up, he made a mistake
I would think he’d be able to recoup that with a new contract.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
yeah?
he wouldn’t get a full $3m the Bulls have under the cap, just the prorated amount (right?). And I’m not sure what he commands in the offseason under a new CBA
But it’s probably close, and Rip’s being a bit of a penis.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
The Cleveland offer was probably $15 million (about $10 million less than he is owed over the life of his contract) which would be the full value of his 2011/12 contract plus the rest of what he is owed this year. He gets the prorated amt from the bulls, about another $1 million. So that is $16 million total coming this year (and he obviously didn’t pay attention in Tax class or he would know about the time value of money). He now has an additional year to make up the $12 million he has coming in 2012/13, which would take about a 2 year contract worth $4 to 5 million a year. Which I think someone would have gave him, especially if he played good for the Bulls.
So yeah, it looks like he is just being a prick.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 25, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
this is the biggest missed opportunity of all
i’ll bet it came way closer to happening than either the lee or mayo trades. hard to see us not being the leader in the rip hunt.
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by paddyfairview on Feb 25, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
If he got a buyout, I'd suggest we sign him.
Then send him to the D-League, and force the coach to bench him.
Can I ask a stupid question?
Can trades get made after yesterday? This may be reeeeally stupid since it is the “trade deadline,” but isn’t there a rule or something that just makes it easier for deals to happen before 2 o clock Thursday?
OR is that a baseball thing and I’m mixing up sports?
…please don’t destroy me.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
No.
Teams may not resume trading until the end of the regular season. A playoff team may not trade a player on its playoff roster until the team is eliminated from the NBA Playoffs.
okayyy
thank you
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Yeah you were thinking baseball
Where you can make trades after deadline if guys clear waivers.
by BoxingHideout on Feb 25, 2011 4:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is in baseball. Players can still be traded in August, they just have to clear waivers first.
Pre-August, they don’t have to clear.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Taj
After last night, I understand the reluctance to trade Asik. Athletic 7-footer who causes havoc on defense. I was wrong to think he was expendable and feel he can be vital in the coming years.
However, I really hope Taj wasn’t the reason for not making a move for a SG. Taj is a nice player, a good backup PF. But he’s not developing into anything better than what he is. And that is still a good defensive player who is limited offensively and has a propensity to make dumb fouls. I feel like there are guys out there who can do what he does. And others who can maybe step out and hit a jumper.
Bogans Killed Us
And to add to that, Bogans killed us last night. Missed a handful of wide open 3’s and wasn’t particularly good on the defensive end. If we can get anything out of that position it would make this team much better.
Refs killed Taj
Bogans grinded the offense to a halt, which why the Bulls continually struggle in the first and third quarters.
so this is kinda OT
but while i was out at lunch today the place i ate at had ESPN on.
jemele hill rated the lakers and thunder above the spurs in the west. WTF?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
you answered your own question
ESPN & Jemele Hill…nuff said
by NormVanBeer on Feb 25, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i know
but i just wanted to point out her raging stupidity yet again.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Feb 25, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna give her dap for giving the bulls credit
And then she pulls that dumbassness out her ass
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
So did Bucher this morning.
Or was it Legler?
White guy, fake tan. Whatevs.
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by ColonelFatheart on Feb 25, 2011 7:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i officially believe we can win a title now with the way the team is constructed
Yes that includes bogans starting
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
The Bulls have enough talent to win it all, but
I worry that they don’t have enough experience, particularly in the playoffs. They get flustered on the road now, during the regular season, and there are many more reasons to get flustered during the playoffs.
by Tim S. on Feb 26, 2011 6:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rose has played more playoff games than Bosh
Just sayin’
Othyus Jeffers
is miles better than Keith Bogans at everything. He can rebound, he can create his own shot and he can defend. Plus he plays for our supposed affiliate. If we were going to go the D-League route, Othyus would be choice.
Also nice would be Kyle Weaver, Orien Greene or Trey Johnson.
Courtney Sims if for some reason we wanted a big man.
Anarchist. Misanthrope. Beard aficionado.
by Cosmis on Feb 25, 2011 10:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Quick question for anyone with knowledge of NBA salary workings:
Exactly why would a team choose to buy out a contract? What advantage does that offer them? I assume the buy out clauses save them money over the long run, but I’d rather not continue assuming something I’m not sure of.
You work out a deal so that you pay the player less than the amount you owe him on the remainder of the contract.
He agrees because he can make up that amount (or slightly less) playing for a new team of his choosing. Pure savings for the team is the basic reason.
and/or getting rid of a guy who clearly doesnt want to be around the team anymore
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
Azubuike buyout to make roster spot for Jeffries?
With the signing of Jared Jeffries imminent, Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni said the 6-foot-11 swingman would be a welcome addition. Jeffries’ buyout with the Rockets became official last night and he was placed on waivers, according to two league sources. The Post reported yesterday the Knicks plan on signing him …
The Knicks’ roster is at the maximum. They will have to cut at least one player, but Renaldo Balkman could survive because he as two more years left on his pact, was a Thomas draft pick and made a cameo last night, playing 7:30. The Knicks are considering releasing Kelenna Azubuike, who has yet to play after not responding well to knee surgery 15 months ago.
Supposedly, he close to returning to the court. 20 PER for GSW last year (inflated but still) and a good 3pt%.
That sucks, Azubuike was once a player that would be downright awesome here
My assumption is that if they’re going to buy him out, his knee much really be seriously messed up.
Still, he’s good enough it might be worth getting him in and taking a look.
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by Sports2 on Feb 26, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree the knee should have even more questionmarks if he was waived
but he’s a good shooter and I too would be elated if the Org gave it a shot
damn if only rip agreed to a buyout..kinda depressing :(
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlzbHJtxdA5Pt90DKaDB6.e8vLYF?slug=aw-hamiltonpistons022611
Once Hamilton made clear he didn’t want to play for a last-place team, his representatives discussed a contract buyout that would’ve allowed him to likely join the Chicago Bulls, sources said.
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