A different kind of statement? Bulls stumble on road in Noah's return
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 10:30 PM CST
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Print| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 98.0 | 115.3 | 47.7% | 34.5 | 37.2 | 13.3 |
| Toronto | 120.4 | 58.1% | 43.2 | 16.7 | 15.3 |
This has not a great road team, and while it was wonderful seeing Noah back out there we could've assumed it'd take some adjustment from both him and his mates. Perhaps best exemplified by a late possession where he and Rose botched the inbounds, Noah showed plenty of rust in his re-debut. Though he did have an astounding 10 rebounds in his opening stint, there were late rotations and rushed finishes that should come back in time.
The unusually lapse-filled D from Noah was similarly occurring throughout the team tonight, with (who else?) Carlos Boozer being the main culprit. Booz started out well overpowering the Raptors on offense, and the way he and Noah dominated inside early it looked like it would be a game where the Raps (who played the night before, mind you) would give up early and the Bulls could push the pace and pour it on. But the Raptors athletes (and we now can add James Johnson to that mix, and he had a decent game starting and with 26 minutes (!) while also doing some usual bad JJ things) were able to put the pressure on the Bulls to consistently rotate, and it wasn't there.
It doesn't help that the Bulls lineups often feature the likes of Boozer, Korver, and Kurt Thomas, decidedly non-athletic players. It's technically the best shooting night the Bulls have given up all season, so I wouldn't say it's the start of any worrisome trend. But there is a lingering concern that maybe our 'league leading' defense is a bit of a mirage, after beating up on some bad offenses and playing harder than most on a given night. Will they hold up in a series against the Celtics and the Heat? It's wonderful to even have that as a concern (meaning they'd be contemporaries), but I see Kyle Korver get torched by Barbosa and DeRozan and can't imagine him lasting on the court much during either series with the wings those Eastern powers have. Might have been a night for Ronnie Brewer to be a part of that final stint, he produced far more tonight and had a pretty impressive 3-steals-in-4-possessions stretch in the 2nd quarter. (shout-out to CJ Watson as well, who as usual was alright by me)
But it's rare when Thibs subs by matchup situation, except to bench Boozer once in a while. And tonight's near-DNP of Omer Asik (30 seconds to make sure Boozer didn't get a foul at the end of the half) shows that. Against an athletic team like the Raptors, Kurt Thomas really has no place, and Asik needed to play. But whether Asik would've helped tonight or not, the idea of burying him simply because Noah returned, especially in Noah's first game back (as he isn't getting his full allotment yet) is a big red flag for the rest of the season. Not only has Asik proven he can be a real, consistent defensive force and rebounder, him playing gets him ready for the playoff rotation. Kurt Thomas is ready for the playoff rotation whether it is now or 1999. If anything, him playing 20+ minutes a night will only hurt (perhaps literally) his chances of being a factor come April.
(it also factors into Thursday afternoon's trade deadline. If Asik is truly that low on the depth chart can he really be considered untouchable? A playmaking SG that can start right now may be worth it if we're thinking title this season [and that's a bigger question.] Asik not playing not only diminishes his possible contributions this season but his trade value as well. Meanwhile, I thought his brother-in-trade-assets Taj Gibson had a pretty poor night, missing approximately 12 shots at the rim)
And, despite all this hand-wringing over the defense and the role players, Derrick Rose nearly single-handedly led the Bulls to victory with a brilliant stretch in the 4th quarter. And doing it by his lonesome would've been appropriate, as I thought he did a pretty poor job (especially early) running the offense. But when he saw the Raptors still hanging on (and before that final flurry, pretty far ahead) he tried to do everything himself and nearly succeeded. An astonishing 14-16 from the line, getting his final points total to 32 on 22 total shots. But his last two forays to the rim were unsuccessful and the Bulls found themselves down 5 with under a minute left, where that final Rose/Noah botched play sealed the loss.
They'll likely get re-acclimated just fine, but the team defense (and Asik's minutes to that effect) is something to watch. So is the trade deadline tomorrow afternoon. And so is who's coming to the United Center that night: the Miami Heat.
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I think Thibs was sending a message
There’s been an undercurrent of "Thibs wants personnel control" and "Thibs wants Lee" talk over the past couple of weeks.
It’s pure speculation, but this might not be the doing of the Org, it could be the coach saying to the front office, "Hey, I’m not gonna play this guy… trade him for who I want".
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outstandingly devilish
I’m sure if this is true, KC will let us know sometime in July.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
You forgot to mention KC's byline will be dated July 2012
in a footnote.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 23, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
or he could have just used the guy who was the starting center
as the backup center when the starter returned. not as sexy, but still possible.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Kurt Thomas' nickname would disagree
Playing Kurt Thomas is always sexy.
"I may be, with the exception of Kirk Hinrich, the whitest player in the NBA" -Paul Shirley
by BroLaxChill on Feb 23, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Can I re-ignite my "Bringing Thomas in could be bad" concerns?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 24, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No because it'll just be you saying "I told you so" over and over again
And that’s annoying.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I hadn't thought I'd been right enough to have a pattern of what I do when I am.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Nah, you're very often right
But you’re very obnoxious about it when you are. But that’s your thing isn’t it?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
you said kurt thomas was finished
thus, you were wrong
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Feb 24, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This is funny
But alas, it appears very certain the acquisition of Thomas will fuck us because of the subsequent implementation of VLC with Bogans.
LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?
by ProfessorEmmer on Feb 24, 2011 2:27 AM CST up reply actions
You were right for one night
I still think that Thomas did enough while Noah was out that even if he steals some of Asik’s minutes down the stretch that bringing him aboard was the right move.
But, tonight definitely proves that your fears were not unfounded.
by JSB on Feb 24, 2011 12:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'll hand it to you on this one
“Kurt over Asik” is gonna be one of the dominant storylines of the rest of the season.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
unless he gets traded in two hours, or plays vs. Miami
jesus christ. new record for fastest BaB-wide freakout
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think there
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Cut myself off
I think there’s merit to this complaint though. Not only do we want Asik to play because he’s awesome, and Kurt is slowing down, it would be nice to see him continue to up his trade value.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Dominant storylines?
Only in the nit-picking world of BaB.
by JSB on Feb 24, 2011 12:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well, it will be the dominant nit that's picked, you have to admit that...
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
How come his baseless speculation is greeted with a collective "Hmmm...", while when I do it, people tell me I smoke crack ?
(I don’t wanna know the answer to that.)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
Noir
His reasons tap the unconscious allure of noir films, and how the shiny chemistry world of the Bulls is really run by cynical power hungry men undercutting each other’s authority (a very sexy storyline, undercutting the unlikeable JR). Whereas your left-field suggestion is more like a military documentary questioning tactics and personel. An important yet dry storyline, which also questions (but does not undercut) a very likeable player’s role on the team.
I think noir undercutting unlikeable authority trumps documentary questioning a hero.
see? storylines are king. except, you know, on the court.
you should do a post in which “Double Indemnity” or “The Maltese Falcon” is broken down and re-assembled as the story of the Bulls 2010-11 season. then we could all smoke a ton of pot and try to figure out who is who.
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
I thought mine was more of a tragic love story
You know, the coach that has a great player, but he’ll never be good enough for him…
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
There is something about Derrick Rose that kinda bothers me.
On the road he’ll play somewhat lax and kinda trot down the floor and jog and act uninterested. It really bothers me that the leader of the team kinda down play against bad teams. You can see it his body language isn’t really there. On the road I think it’s important to no let teams gain confidence and feed them easy baskets. I really wish he would set the tone better and not have to play like MJ in the last few minutes when it’s too late. I don’t know who he learned that from. I don’t like that mentality like we can just turn it on when it matter. Thats 8th seed bullshit. You want the # 1 seed you need to come out and play like the number 1 team.
I was disappointed with that even though he came back strong. I just think it needs to stop. Maybe he’s around all these divas at the ASG… just stop it!
by SoulEater7 on Feb 23, 2011 10:41 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
CSNBullsInsider: JJ: "it felt good to win and seeing their faces was priceless
Make love not war. Play JJ and not Bogans.
by livesinnoahsbasement on Feb 23, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions
Fuck JJ
Change your fucking sig.
As Sacramento's only major league sports team, the Kings' fanbase has been among the strongest in the league even during the franchise's lean years, which could just be a testament to how little there is to do in Sacramento.
by Chalkwhite on Feb 23, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
eh, fuck JJ
When he was on our roster I wanted him to succeed.
Now hes a Raptor and talking shit like this, he’s dead to me.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
by mrdope on Feb 23, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah man no one can talk crap about a team that just traded him
what a jackass.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 23, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
In the next few days, JJ will realize how bad the raptors are.
by jrobulls on Feb 23, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and vice versa.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
by mrdope on Feb 24, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Little surprised at how little Omer played.
He really was the answer to a few of the Bulls worries tonight, it did seem like a bit of a pre-trade benching, or at least precautionary.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
Don't fret - This was one of those games where the variables were working against us.
I’m running at about 98% calling Bulls losses this year, and I saw this one coming a mile away. First game off the All-Star break, much bigger game the next night, trying to work Noah back into the rotation. It just had “L” written all over it, so I’m not that upset.
Here’s something Thibs and not a lot of others are saying though. Toronto played out of their freaking minds in that fourth quarter. Yeah, there were a couple of easy baskets. But on nearly every possession, we had a body on those guys, and they were just throwing up sh*t that went in. We probably should’ve made sure we never got to that point in the first place, but I feel like Toronto won that fourth quarter way more than we lost it.
And hey, get used to it man. D-Rose as MVP isn’t a secret anymore. Teams want to show our star up.
you should like have a job on the team or something
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
by blackoutsox on Feb 23, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think you make a good point
As pissed as I was at our defense, DeRozen and Barbosa played awesome down the stretch.
Although that raises the question: why the he’ll was Korver trying to defend either of those guys. Even though it puts a heavy load on Derrick, I think down the stretch Taj and Brewer need to be on the floor. Make’em earn it on the offensive end, and hope Derrick is good enough to get buckets.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 10:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
no they didn't, we just played no D
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 6:47 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
If it were any other team, I might agree (except maybe the Cavs). Bottom line: We really need to beat Toronto no matter what the situation is if we’re as good as we think we are. Of course every team is allowed a slip up or two, but the Bulls have had more than their fair share on the road.
To me, this is indicative of a larger problem, I just can’t put my finger on what exactly it is. There’s the makings of a tremendous team here, but for whatever reason, we’re not quite there yet. Whether it’s Thibs’ rotations, lack of a shooting guard, or something else, I still think we have yet to see their best basketball. That can be a good thing, because it means we can get better; but it could be bad also, because we may not see it at all this year.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's easy to pick at a team's weaknesses...
And the Bulls certainly have theirs. But the one great thing about them is they’re consistent as hell. They get up for the big games and play hard no matter what. The reality is you’re going to pick up losses somewhere, and weird games like this on the schedule, that have a lot of funky factors working against the Bulls (all that I mentioned, plus being on the road, plus an early start time), it looks like that’s where our losses are coming from this season (the weird New Jersey schedule is another example). I’m okay with that, as long as they play well against the good teams, which they always do.
It's not even
mathematically possible for you have been 98% right unless you have called 49 of their 50 losses this year(???)
LeBron James: Which of His Blessings would you deny?
by ProfessorEmmer on Feb 24, 2011 2:31 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Just a thought
Is it possible that Noah is not suited for Thibs’ defense? It seems that Thibs may prefer a bigger, more stout center (in the Perkins mold). Noah is more of an athletic guy that pesters people. His value on defense largely comes from the fact that he can guard all types of players from anywhere on the court. A Thibs’ type center provides that “wall” to the basket that he wants to create. I don’t know what it is, but I just never felt like Thibs was a big fan of Noah’s game. Anyone else feel that way?
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
no, not really
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
by blackoutsox on Feb 23, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
The Bulls defense involves so much switching and trapping, that I think a mobile center like Noah is ideal. Sure, Howard would be the best because he does both those things, but Noah’s help defense is outstanding usually.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 10:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wish you didn't smoke crack.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Huh?
Wtf did I say wrong? You don’t think it’s possible that Thibs doesn’t think Noah is the best fit for this offense?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
Defense? No, why the hell would I think that? The Bulls had the best defense in the NBA before Noah got hurt.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
According to what stat? Were they really?
(Btw, I’m not at all saying I’m displeased with Noah’s defense at all. I love Noah. I just get a feeling that, POSSIBLY, Thibs doesn’t share my feelings.)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Defensive Rating, opponents' FG%, team rebounds?
I’m really not sure where you’re getting this sentiment.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
at the end of last season
scal said to thibs, you know you have to take that job, they have noah, he’s perfect.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
The stats that measure team defense
New sig coming, but it's a process.
Technically, they had the 2nd best defense in the NBA before Noah got hurt
And they jumped up to no. 1 afterwards.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
You mean defense?
I think you need to flesh this theory out. What specifically about the Bulls defense requires a bulky center?
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thibs is using Noah in the exact same way KG runs the Celtics' defense.
You haven’t seen him play in 30 games and all of a sudden he’s a bad fit? Ok.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, I'm not saying he's a bad fit at all
I think you’re misinterpreting what I wrote. I fucking love Noah. I just get a feeling that he’s not the type of guy Thibs likes plaing center in his defense. Even if they were great before he got hurt.
Thibs is using Noah in the exact same way KG runs the Celtics’ defense.
KG is a power forward. Noah is a center. If you want to make that comparison, Kendrick Perkins is the guy you should be talking about.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
KG is the centerpiece of that defense though
Perkins plays a less important role. It appears as if you just looked at the body types of Perkins and Noah without really evaluating what the defensive scheme is trying to accomplish.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What are you talking about? Noah is the anchor of this defense, what position he plays is irrelevant.
The whole strength of the Bulls’ defense is their ability to swarm the pick and roll, they’re the best in the NBA at stopping it. That requires a mobile big man who can harass the point man on the perimeter who still has enough quickness to hustle back to his man. Which is also why Taj and Asik are perfect fits for this defense and why the bench is instrumental in getting key stops.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
The whole strength of the Bulls’ defense is their ability to swarm the pick and roll, they’re the best in the NBA at stopping it. That requires a mobile big man who can harass the point man on the perimeter who still has enough quickness to hustle back to his man.
No, that’s Noah’s strength. It’s not the strength of the defense. And how can you say that when we played with Kurt Thomas for a month and were even better on defense during that period? Kurt’s strengths are way different. He’s able to body guys way better, and cut off driving lanes by anticipating what the team is doing offensively. Kurt plays more of a traditional role, while Noah is more of a roamer.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
The Bulls' ability to defend the most common play in the NBA better than anyone else
Is not their main strength?
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'm saying they defend all plays well, not just the pick and roll
When Kurt was starting we still dominated defensively. Kurt doesn’t play the pnr like Noah at all. You won’t see him come all the way out to the free throw line to play it. Kurt is better at anticipating where the driver is coming from, and cutting off the lane. There’s more than one way to defend pnr. Maybe Thibs likes the way Kurt does it better
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Or he wants to use Boozer like Perkins.
Makes sense to me. Except Boozer can’t do it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Along these lines, Noah is a completely different defender than Kurt Thomas.
If good team defense is knowing what your teammates are going to do, then its much easier to know what Thomas is going to do, because he does the same thing every time.
Thomas doesn’t guard on the perimeter, he doesn’t switch, he doesn’t front. He’s just solid.
Noah is able to do so many things on defense that he’s more difficult to his teammates to react to. He wants to switch. He wants to do a switch back when possible. He’s a wild card on defense because he wants to improvise too. Getting used to that is harder than getting used to what Thomas does, and its going to take more than one game.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 23, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Those are great points
and that’s all I’m really trying to say. Noah is a unique type of player, and very different from Kurt. I wasn’t trying to say anything negative about Noah. I love the guy. I just wondered if maybe Thibs didn’t prefer a guy that played center more the way Kurt does. It’s really not a big deal, and I’m kinda surprised people are making it out to be
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think the sentiment
Stems from Noah chasing Andrea around on the perimeter tonight, instead of defend the hoop. Aside from this, tonight seems like it would have been a great opportunity to go big with Noah and Asik. Asik defending the hoop and Noah defending Andrea.
but
i thought “asik” was turkish for “wall”
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Maybe I would give up Asik for Mayo
But I just think you need size to compete at the highest level. I worry Noah-Thomas-Boozer-Taj just won’t be big enough against Boston, the Lakers or definitely Orlando. Another fear I have with Mayo is that Thibs won’t give him minutes. We trade for this supposedly big time 2 guard and we end up using him just like they do in Memphis.
If we have to give up Asik, I’d rather go get Lee for picks (including the Charlotte pick). But sitting on our hands, especially if the tech9 rumors are true (which they probably aren’t) will be a big disappointment.
Especially since I think JJ could have helped us if given time this year.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 10:57 PM CST reply actions
I still say give em Taj
and keep Asik.
by Stacey_Is_King on Feb 23, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
He shouldn't be given a choice.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
If they don't have Taj and he still won't play Asik, then he should be fired.
Seriously. Two injury-prone guys in Noah and Boozer and a 39 year old is all you have for front-court depth and you don’t play the 7’ athletic big body rookie?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
One of those nights
58% percent from the floor for the Raptors. Flashbacks to Knick games this season.
Or the Portland game.
We have a problem with mobile bigs, particularly 4 or 5’s like Bargs, that can stretch the floor.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
So it wasn't just Tyrus Thomas?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Exactly.
What perfectionists like Thibs don’t realize is that if you play perfect defense and the other team still hits their shots, there’s going to be a psychological let-up. “We’re doing what we’re supposed to do, yet they’re still scoring.” So the defense bends a little more, resulting in more scoring to the team that’s on fire. It’s going to happen sometimes.
by wilsoneads on Feb 23, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So the solution is to not expect perfect defense?
As Sacramento's only major league sports team, the Kings' fanbase has been among the strongest in the league even during the franchise's lean years, which could just be a testament to how little there is to do in Sacramento.
No, that isn't the solution.
But wilsoneads makes a really good point. By the way, that point has been illustrated well in some of the Celtics-Magic games over the past few years when the Magic were hitting their threes.
the solution is admitting it isn't working and subbing in some fresh blood when it seems appropriate
not sitting on the same lineups when they aren’t getting it done
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
I Disagree
New York hit a ton of threes, they were open threes, but still long shots regardless. With exception to the second half of the 4th quarter, the Bulls didn’t play much defense and Toronto was taking great shots, or getting fouled. Seriously, their free throw percentage tonight was amazing (94.1% with 34 attempts)
yeah, toronto scored A LOT in the paint
it was just ridiculous D
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 6:49 AM CST up reply actions
...you're really running with this theme, aren't you.
As Sacramento's only major league sports team, the Kings' fanbase has been among the strongest in the league even during the franchise's lean years, which could just be a testament to how little there is to do in Sacramento.
my thoughts
while we would like to blame thibs primarily for the rotation, i think there are other reasons for this loss…like noah
you look at noahs stats in the first half….WOW 10 rebounds in 10 minutes…thats amazing….right? Well…if you like stats sure…but not really…
see i think if you asked noah, he would hate those 10 rebounds (or at least 4 of them) because noah isnt a stat stuffer, he wants to win…and those rebounds, as amazing as they seem, might have been the difference between a loss and a win. At least 4 rebounds came from tip ins that noah usually gets, but he was rusty, his soft touch not soft, and so easy tip-ins led to multiple tip attempts, non which fell. there were at least 4 pts that shouldve happened from those tip ins.
another problem was noahs overcompensation on the defensive end. Often times he was hedging further than he should have, and having trouble getting back to his man. On one possesion in the the first he hedged early during a pick and roll, rose ended up going through the pick but since both noah and rose were ball side, the roller got a nice lane, which led to a score.
then there was the obvious confusion on offense. noah was hesitant to actually do some scoring, often times running into the lane but instead of having his hands out for a catch and dunk (he had 2 opps in the first when rose was looking but when rose saw noah go for rebound position instead, had to jack up some bad layup attempts), not only that there was one play when both noah and boozer came out to set the same screen for rose, and then both stayed in the screen position, that couldve been bad but nothing negative happened due to it.
on the defensive end, rose played the same d he has played all year, same with boozer…though both arent that great defensively. Brewer and deng played great defense, which is a shame since in the 4th i wanted to see that duo more. Korver, taj, kurt, and the lack of asik is what really hurt the bulls defensively.
korver let the dunker derozen dunk the ball way too many times…when he shouldve let him have the shot more. Taj kept helping on barbosa, sending him baseline…usually a smart play but….BARBOSA WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO GO BASELINE….you never give the offensive player what he wants….kurt thomas looked slow and old again, and no asik limited our big man depth…our biggest strength id say.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
im sorry
something confused u?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
what specifically
is what i am more after, why and what caused it…thats what i seek, and those are my thoughts on the matter..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 23, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Nicely done
Tired of you Deng haters...sigh. Here to show Deng and the Bulls some love!
by ChiTownBallz on Feb 24, 2011 6:45 AM CST up reply actions
everybody messed up
Noah was missing rotations, Rose was out of the game for 3/4, Deng had a rough time guarding DeRozan (he shouldn’t defend guards), Thibs chose bad times to play Korver, Taj played poorly on both ends.
Ironically Boozer was the one that I didn’t hate because I always expect him to play bad D and he was OK on offense
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 6:54 AM CST up reply actions
Again, didn't read, but rec'd for effort and length
Tho I do value your opinion, I just honestly feel like there aren’t enough minutes in the day
Ok, I read it
and good points, me and my buddies were wondering if those tips counted as rebounds, but since they didn’t go in we thought they’d just show up on the box score as missed attempts. He did try to overcompensate on D, it was very unnatural watching it.
Speaking of which
Anyone notice that the Knicks gave up 108 pts at home to the Bucks (have the Bulls given up more than 80 to them). And it took a 10-12 shooting night from Toney Douglas to get the win. Not that we should be gloating after the shit sandwich the Bulls laid in Toronto, but I thought it should be mentioned. I’m sure it will be lost amongst all the OMG MELO hype tomorrow from the folks at the booyah network.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That wont' matter much when this team gets smashed by Boston or Miami in the 2nd round.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, i'm not real confident in our ability to beat either right now
Those teams are both really, really good. I’m not sure we have the front-line players to keep up.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That type of game is exactly what I expect from the Knicks going forward
Melo shoots a lot, Amare and Billups have solid, efficient nights, Landry Fields does absolutely nothing, and they get routinely torched on D.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Prepare yourself for the hype machine
The knicks have another easy game before a Sunday match-up with Miami. The story is going to be undefeated 2-0 Melo-Stat knicks vrs Miami.
Trade better happen soon
hold the Mayo
by livesinnoahsbasement on Feb 23, 2011 11:09 PM CST reply actions
Just heard out of mem rumor was
The grizz wanted to give us mayo for kile korvor..?
I've got to say, I don't have much faith in a rumor from a guy who went 0-2 on Korver's names.
As Sacramento's only major league sports team, the Kings' fanbase has been among the strongest in the league even during the franchise's lean years, which could just be a testament to how little there is to do in Sacramento.
by Chalkwhite on Feb 23, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Yeh, I bet his username was meant to be Jazz34
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
by mrdope on Feb 24, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I blame this loss on BaB trade mania
If you people had been paying more attention to this game this week rather than trades then the usual BaB psychic aura would have reached our boys all the way in Canada.
No Bulls fault!
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors: Mission failed. I didn't see the game so I don't know what happened. In too good a mood to care right now. :)
Heat:
Bucks:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 23, 2011 11:16 PM CST reply actions
I heard it on the score 670 am
I dont know about this trade i like it but our bench gets weak.
Korver is weak
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 6:56 AM CST up reply actions
And what happened to the D-Leaugers?
hold the Mayo
by livesinnoahsbasement on Feb 23, 2011 11:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm thinking if the Bulls can get a staring SG Asik better not be the reason we don't get one.
We can always find a BACKUP CENTER.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
If we keep one of our 1st for 2011 Asik can be replaced easily.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
That's just not true
No way the Bulls are going to get a 7 footer like Asik with the 28th pick or whatever. Cole f-ing Aldrich went in the lottery last year and Thabeet went number 2 overall when he came out.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
Asik could easily be a lottery pick if he were in this year’s draft. That doesn’t mean I think he’ll necessarily ever start for anyone, but a 7 footer with good strength and athleticism don’t pop up routinely in the bottom of the first round. The fact the guys like Aldrich, Hawes, etc. go so high tells you that kind of player isn’t all that easy to acquire.
Semi-competent shooting guards are actually easier to find if you have a little money. Look at Matthews and even Brewer this offseason.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think you either overestimate the number of big semi-athletic centers in the league, or underestimate Asik’s abilities and potential.
bulls haven't had a guy with this potential since tyson chandler
but that’s fairly recently compared to many teams: knicks, raptors, mavs (until this year – tyson), bobcats (only 50 games w/tyson), thunder/sonics, jazz, suns (until gortat)…
some teams like the wizards and clippers have athletic bigs with potential now, after years without…
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I don't get how Asik
Had a career game aganist the Raptors the last time we played them and get 30 seconds tonight. This Kurt Thomas thing needs to stop. He’s done what we needed him to do. even then he sucked aganist mobile bigs. And now it’s time to rest him for the playoffs so he can produce something then.
ou always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
by Yibs on Feb 23, 2011 11:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yes, how could one forget?
Tonight’s game was marked by a dominant performance from rookie center Omer Asik. As a result of Asik’s dominant defense, it was when the Bulls’ bench was in the game that they pulled away from the Raptors in this one.
http://dabullz.com/2011/01/04/2010-2011-season-asik-dominant-as-bulls-beat-raptors-111-91/
This is just plain DUMB.
NOT gonna say I told anyone so.
(Of course I am)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
So, not that anyone cares
1) Thibs is clearly a coach that will play veterans over young guys even in the face of evidence that the older guy is a bad idea that night. I was hoping Bogans was an isolated thing, but we already now know that he no longer has any use for Asik (see the quote about Thomas being great, Asik only OK). So, the Bulls might as well trade him because he is not going to play. Asik for Anthony Parker might actually be a good trade for the Bulls only because Parker might see the court.
2) Personally, I’d much rather the Bulls trade Taj than Asik.
3) Once the Bulls do trade Asik, they’ll need to find someone like him in the offseason because a Bulls team with only Noah and a 39 year old Thomas as true bigs is not going to compete well with elite teams
4) Right now, I don’t think the Bulls are in the same class as the Celtics and Heat. The Bulls have had a soft schedule and I don’t think the Bulls really compete with either team in the playoffs. I do think the Bulls are very good.
5) I don’t think Lee or Mayo allows the Bulls to compete for a title. In particular, Mayo shoots the three worse than Bogans and also has underbogans assists/minute numbers which make me pretty unsure about his ability to play point with Rose out. He’d be an upgrade, but not a great fit and I don’t think he’d be worth what the Grizz want except that Asik’s value to Bulls is pretty low now as well thanks to the coach.
Agree mostly
Disagree on the soft schedule part. Disagree that just because Asik won’t play a ton this year that the Bulls should trade him for a marginal upgrade at 2 guard.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I still hope the Bulls don't trade Asik really.
But I can understand how someone could decide that if Asik can’t play for Thibs that they might as well move him.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
Seeing as Kurt Thomas
Doesn’t have a contract beyond this year, I don’t think he is a long-term fixture of the Bulls. Due to his youth, I think Asik is.
Asik will be the long term fixture if he's cheap to re-sign
and he’ll be cheap to re-sign if they don’t play him.
!
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
set your phasers to freak out
Kurt has been the anchor of our defense," Thibodeau said. "You can count on what he does. Omer has done a fine job. Kurt has done a great job.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions
ugh, this iblows
Looks like Kurt Thomas has become Keith Bogans part 2
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah..it's pretty disappointing
I don’t know what else to say. Thibs obviously knows much more than me, but still…I think he’s wrong.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Everything goes to shit when tyger is vindicated. Fucking hell.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
haha
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's even more annoying that it took a Noah injury
To get Thomas ahead of Asik in the rotation.
I am a Thibs fan, but we better not see Kurt for 20 minutes a game the rest of the season.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I don't understand this at all. Asik had no competition from Kurt before the injury.
It’s not like Thomas has to be DNP-CD from here on out, Asik obviously has conditioning issues so throw Kurt out there for 3-4 minutes a game. But we all know what Thomas is going to do no matter what the situation is. Omer is the guy who could blossom into something special, or merely be what he is right now. Either way that warrants floor time.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 24, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
seriously
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
to paraphrase someone else
I guess we’ll just have to wait until KT’s body breaks down right before the playoffs before Asik can get any minutes.
The actual quote was a little worse
“Omer has done a fine job BUT Kurt has done a great job”. It was on CSN.
Anyone else getting a kind of Dusty Baker vibe here?
I remember so vividly the anger over watching DB run out washed out to mediocre veterans while the interesting prospects rode pine. Feels similar right now.
Keith Bogans playing the role of Neifi Perez…
No
Thibs is a good tactician. Dusty is a players manager that is good at managing personalities. They really aren’t comparable.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
who?
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 24, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
reading that quote gives me VDN-Hinrich flashbacks
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
more flashbacks
Just based on matchups
If Toronto doesn’t provide good matchups for Omer>KT, I don’t know what team will.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Bargagni owned both KT and Noah
he didn’t even tried Asik
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
what about that:
we tried to outscore them and that’s recipe for disaster
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if any of the players feel the same?
Is Thibs really gonna be this stubborn? Kurt did an admirable job subbing in for Noah, but Asik did more than okay. I’m literally flabbergasted….Thibs just might stunt any development that Asik can have because of Kurts veteran savvy.
Maybe we should just get as many 38 yr old reserves for each spot. Have an all Geriatric 2nd unit.
well according to team observers (KC)
the locker room so loves Keith Bogans they may be effected if he was traded or was benched.
CHEMISTRY-FILLED. Do you want to fuck with that just to play a better player more minutes? do you?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
You're right.
Completely forgot about the adjusted +/- chemistry value of Bogans and Kurt. I’m ashamed.
not to be snitchy or anything
but my fingers get really twitchy whenever someone messes up affect/effect. its just something my 8th grade teacher really drove into my head
I hope Kotsay gets hit by a dump truck and slips into a coma where he is stuck forever in Baseball purgatory having to bat against a three-headed, six-armed Lefty Hydra consisting of Billy Wagner, Damaso Marte, and Randy Johnson. - Shoeless In SC
by blackoutsox on Feb 24, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Two words stick out to me in that quote.
has been
Kurt did a great job starting for us, I suppose I do not mind him still playing some. But should he have played 22 minutes tonight? And Asik the equivalent of 1 NBA possession? Would it have hurt to play Asik 8-10 minutes, especially in the 4th qtr where the Raptors continued to get what ever they wanted on offense?
My fuck rondo senses are leaning towards fuck thibs
ou always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
by Yibs on Feb 24, 2011 12:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Preperation speech before an Asik trade?
Let us down slowly then BAM! hes off to Memphis or Houston?
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
link?
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
Do you guys realize how much this could suck?
Not only are we not gonna play Asik, but he’s gonna be one of the main reasons we don’t make a trade. So, management is passing up on Mayo for a guy that can’t beat Kurt Thimas out for a job. Sounds like the front office and Thibs need to have a sitdown, because one of them values Asik way more than the other.
Either you like him, and view him as a key member of the team, and don’t trade him (which I’m fine with). OR, he’s nothing special, in which case you get rid of him, and fill a huge position of need. One thing you CANNOT do is sit him and not make a trade.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
i'd be shocked if the Bulls didn't make a trade
it just may be for Anthony Parker
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
That would suck
Giving up an asset for Parker is stupid, I think. Parker doesn’t get the Bulls anywhere the current roster doesn’t.
On the other hand, you can make a case that Asik is not really an asset since Thibs won’t play him.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
At this point, that doesn't even count
Thibs probably wouldn’t even play him anyways
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...Parker is old
There’s a chance he’d take Brewer and Korver’s minutes
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you are ignoring a third possibility
The Bulls F.O. isnt going for it all this year. They think Asik is very valuable down the road, even though he isn’t ready to contribute this year.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Kurt Thomas puts Asik on the bench in Thibs eyes, someone will always put him on the bench
Whatever aging retread center the Bulls grab in a given year will play over Asik.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 23, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
that simply isn't true
Noah took till midway through his 2nd season to get consistent playing time over the likes of Aaron Gray and Drew Gooden.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Except that the position you'd be trading Asik for would be a SG in the same mold.
If Thibs likes Lee, then he’s an option. I don’t see anyone else coming in and getting minutes over Bogans and what’s already here.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's a scary thought
Although he’d have to start Mayo, right? I mean, I’d have a stroke every night we played if he didn’t
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
OK, I'll let JJ enjoy this one.
Clearly, Johnson enjoyed his first game with his new team.
“I don’t think it will be difficult at all,” he said of carrying energy over to Toronto’s next game. “If you check the times I did get playing time [with Chicago] we were down by 20 and we ended up coming back to win. My plus-minus is outrageous, so I’m going to play hard every time I strap up. You can expect me to play hard.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/3334/noahs-return-limits-asik
JJ is kind of delusional
He had one good game this year for the Bulls. Most of the time he just turned the ball over and made us want to pull our hair out.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 11:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol
c’mon JJ, unadjusted +/-?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
what a dolt!!!
Even badnewstennisshoes knows… ahhh nevermind
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 24, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
clearly
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
More from JJ
"I told everybody if they could get a win for me, I’d be in debt to them," Johnson said. "I guess I’m in debt."
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/02/23/raptors-beat-bulls-as-gm-makes-rebuild-official/
Alright bitch, see you in the playoffs... oh wait, no
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions
Good for him
I always felt that he put in work to get better. But Thibs didn’t even give him a shot. Of all guys we let go he’s the only one I hope develops into a good player.
ou always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
by Yibs on Feb 24, 2011 12:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
muthafkz thinks he is michael jordan now?
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
Good night playas. Heres to hoping for Mayo or Lee and a Dub vs The Heat tomorrow.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
okay, trade idea (because you all so needed to hear one)
Bulls trade: Miami pick and Charlotte pick to Houston
Bulls receive: Courtney Lee
Portland trades: Andre Miller to Houston
Portland receives: Aaron Brooks, Shane Battier
Houston trades: Aaron Brooks, Courtney Lee, Shane Battier
Houston receives: Miller, Charlotte pick, Miami Pick
Now that I think about it, this is just 2 separate Rockets trades. They should do this – its gets them under the luxury tax and gets them a good starting point guard to pair with Martin. Daryl Morey, you are welcome.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 11:52 PM CST reply actions
and....
send bogans to the cavs, and parker to houston while you are at it…..everyone is happy
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 24, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
How depressing.
The East improves. The Bulls lose to a lottery team that we just traded JJ to and Kurt Thomas is the best big we have now?3 games back and we have Miami on a back to back. No trade so far.. come on Bulls.
by SoulEater7 on Feb 24, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
This day started with such promise
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
and ended with broken dreams
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
Nah, he'll play for the Raptors
They can live with his mistakes and hope he develops. Totally different situation than here in Chicago.
by JSB on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
he looks like the dad of bobby boucher (the waterboy) in this pic lol
Too slow, too jerky, too quirky, too Deng!
by rainman1003 on Feb 24, 2011 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
roboyto
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by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
haha, it's funny because it fits so well
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Can't wait to have him play big minutes
and break the NBA record in turnovers in a single game
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:05 AM CST up reply actions
14 by Jason Kidd
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I was told not too long ago that Demar DeRozan is poop
He most certainly is not. That kid can play.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I agree. Shot didn't look broke to me...
by hitlesswonder on Feb 24, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
short range only
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
Something about him I still don't like. And I'm not saying that because he just had a good game against us
He’ll be one of those guys that eventually gets overpayed, and is constantly involved in trade rumors, while he goes from mediocre team to mediocre team. I don’t see anything special. Unless they get him on a good contract, but I doubt it.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
All this panic over keeping/benching Asik is gonna look pretty silly if he's gone in the morning
or if he plays big minutes vs. Miami.
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
Even if we trade him, Thibs was still a dummy for not playing him last night
And I’ll live in a constant state of fear of something like this happening again.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
if you actually look at the whole quote it's less damning of Thibs
“Just based on matchups and what’s happened since Jo has been out,” Thibodeau explained of his decision. “Kurt’s been the anchor of our defense. So, you can count on what he does. Omer’s done a fine job, but Kurt’s done a great job so … I’m not happy with our defense, but we’ll work on it and get it straightened out.”
he defends himself, admits the results were shitty, and says we’ll straighten it out. hardly cause for panic. yeah it was frustrating but one game is one game. he doesn’t play or get traded tomorrow, ok, i can see annoyance mounting.
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
No, it seems like he's putting that fault on the rest of the defense
Like ok, it didn’t work out well with Thomas in the game, but our defense sucked and that’s why we lost. He doesn’t admit that this matchup favored having Asik in the game
Maybe he's just trying to get the defense back in a rhythm
and Kurt knows the D better than Asik. Kind of like playing Scalabrine earlier this season
New sig coming, but it's a process.
give thibs some time on this KT vs. Omer thing.
we all tend to forget that he is still a rookie as a head coach. there are certain things he’s great at and there are some he needs to improve. and big men rotation is one of them. he wasn’t even giving KT some time before Noah’s injury. then KT did a lot better than expected and Omer did a lot better than when Noah’s healthy. now having Noah back thibs need some time to figure things out. yes, omer’s getting 30 seconds is unacceptable but thibs did great so far, he deserves some patience. it’s obvious that he’s waiting for the trade deadline to sort things out.
btw, i think you guys are making too much deal out of this omer think. see i’m from turkey and i love ömer (i loved him even he was playing for the team i hated most back in turkey) but he still needs some time to adjust to nba. hopefully he will become an elite big man but right now he doesn’t deserve all this hype imho. he’s been doing great lately, he’s learning quick and giving him 30 secs is ridiculous but he sitll has many flaws. he’s very sloppy on the offense, you have to draw a offensive play minus 1 player when he’s on (despite the off. rebs), he’s too excited, etc. i would feel terrible if he’s traded or thibs keeps him on the bench all the time but you’re giving him too much credit. he will deserve all this in the playoffs and over the years hopefully.
by Jesus Fever on Feb 24, 2011 1:18 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
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"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
people are giving him credit because they see the potential
not because they believe he is great right now. And regardless of potential, he has proven to be a better option than KT against guys who do more than just bang in the post. I’ll give Thibs some time but we are 50 games into the season, as Stacy King would say – KYP (know your personnel).
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 24, 2011 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
then you should decide what you want.
you want a serious title contender this year? ok, you have 3 big guys, one of them won’t get more than 4-5 minutes a game, he’s a valuable trade asset. on the other hand you’re desperately in need of a shooting guard and you can get one if you give up your 4-5 minute big guy. this is what contenders do. they give up their “potentials” for short-term solutions.
but if you want to keep your “potentials” and refuse short-term plans you should keep your expectations low this season and stop this “we need a SG” thing. you can’t have both, you should choose one. actually this is one the things that the bulls should sort out sometime. is this team a contender like miami and boston? then do whatever you have to do to fill your gaps. is this team built for long term success and this season isn’t that important, then keep omer. i can’t understand all this buzz.
if you ask me, keep taj and omer and look for a quality SG in the summer. i’m enjoying this season and looking forward to the playoffs but i don’t think lee or mayo will bring this team enough quality for a title, losing any player than bogans would be unnecessary. wait till summer, find better solutions.
the bulls have 3 first round picks and $3 million in cap space
plus some desirable contracts in CJ, Korver, Bogans, Brewer and KT. We can make a deal for a 2 guard without giving up Omer or Taj.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 24, 2011 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
that would be great
but i think it would happen by now if rockets or memphis said yes to just draft picks and cash.
i'm inclined to think the opposite
they’d have made a better trade by now if one had materialized. it’s possible they cave at the last second.
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 24, 2011 2:35 AM CST up reply actions
If you're not gonna play him, TRADE HIM
With the NBA trade deadline arriving at 2 p.m. Thursday, the Bulls continue to explore adding a shooting guard, perhaps the Rockets’ Courtney Lee or the Grizzlies’ O.J. Mayo – on their terms.
That translates to offering draft picks and absorbing money into their roughly $2.9 million of salary cap space. A player would have to be included to offset the remainder of Mayo’s $4.45 million deal, but a league source said the Bulls are rebuffing teams’ requests for Omer Asik and Taj Gibson for now.
I love how KC get
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 2:47 AM CST up reply actions
keep cutting myslef off
Anyway, I was saying it’s funny how KC keeps repeating these same phrases once he starts using it like: “On their terms (!)”. Idk, something about it bugs me. He comes off as a shill for the org. Bulls need to do whatever they have to to get something done. Like you said, if they’re not gonna play Omer, then trade him
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 2:51 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm
for now
I still this this is why Thibs took so long to bring in Asik and used him sparingly. They don’t wanna have him get injured if they do decided to trade him.
You guys are right, that is kinda strange
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 2:54 AM CST up reply actions
I really doubt that's the reasoning
Anyone that’s had a chance to watch Thibs coach a few games this year could probably see this one coming. I was praying it didn’t turn out this way, but I had a feeling he’d go with the wily vet, instead of the promising young guy
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
You'd almost have to
How can the org justify keeping a guy that won’t play, over a starting shooting guard? That would just be asinine
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 24, 2011 3:10 AM CST up reply actions
Well like I said early KC was mentioning they would rest Thomas.
Now I read he’s the Anchor of the Bulls defense. I’m just confused I guess. Clearly Toronto had taller and quicker match ups against Thomas. Smells fishy to me.
GarPaxDorf - You have a mission
Trade Bogans, Kurt Thomas and any combination of firsts for Mayo or Lee and filler if necessary. No more bad rotations!
At this point I think I would give 3 picks in a trade for a good SG
our picks will suck and so will Miami’s. We don’t need more role players. We don’t have minutes for role players. The team is unwilling to give any player. just trade this shit but keep the Charlotte one
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 24, 2011 7:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds good to me
If we need to fill out bench fodder next year, get a vet on the minimum.
by NerdVernacular on Feb 24, 2011 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
But now I can’t think of a player worth 3 picks. Maybe Afflalo but I don’t think Denver has enough time to flip that many picks
I think the point is our picks aren't worth much to us.
There’s no point in holding unproductive assets, whether they be players or picks.
Bewtween the trade deadline and tonight's game against the Heatles...
today could be one helluva roller coaster.
Without exploring all the above comments
wouldn’t Thibs have benefited from doing the offense/ defense substitution late in the game with Boozer and Taj like he did for Korver and Brewer? It was clearly a time to so with Boozer being such a piss-poor defender.
by james@lifeinthecell on Feb 24, 2011 8:47 AM CST reply actions
I'd say yes...but it also depends on how the offense looks.
Clearly Derrick had it going and scoring was not a problem, so last night it would have been okay to bench Booz. I think when the offense is struggling to score in tight games late, you just have to roll with Booz and accept the possibility of defensive break downs. That’s my opinion anyways.
another thing that sucks about this new rotation
Asik was perfect for a high-pace turnover-forcing 2nd unit alongside Brewer, Taj, and Watson. Now they’re shoehorning in old man Thomas into that identity which screws it all up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 24, 2011 9:53 AM CST reply actions
never thought of that
that’s actually a good point, that 2nd unit looked a little dysfunctional out there.
It seems like Taj plays well off of Asik as he draws a lot of attention for his aggressiveness and them boxing him out, that lets Taj play more of his hard hat, janitor clean up role.
ahh this is the yfbb that we all know
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