With trade of James Johnson, where do the Bulls stand in their SG hunt?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 10:46 PM CST
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PrintAs mentioned by Sham when it was first announced that the Bulls were indeed getting a first round pick for James Johnson, this deal really is reminiscent of when the Bulls traded Thabo to the Thunder a couple deadlines ago. Drafted high, maybe not given the most chances but underperforming in those chances anyway, trade value seemingly plummeted, and the Bulls still manage to finagle a first-round pick in return.
Yes, it's a pick slotted for the Miami Heat, and therefore near the very end of the first round. But when it was first floating out in twitter-land that JJ was off to Toronto for picks, I wasn't even expecting their own 2nd rounder, as the Raptors already owed their 2011 2nd to Detroit anyway. Was more expecting the type of super-conditional pick that possibly wouldn't even vest.
Instead, while a late first rounder may not even be that much more valuable than a high second rounder (though the recent change to only guarantee 2 years in rookie deals mitigates some of that perception), I do believe it's of some importance that it sounds a lot more valuable. Between this pick, their own selections, and the conditional (2012 at the earliest) pick from the Bobcats, one can say "the Bulls own 4 first-round picks in the next two drafts" and not be incorrect. While I don't think teams are that blinded, perception does matter when selling being a seller, and it could sound better in a future Bulls trade package to include a 'future first', no matter how low it may be.
As for Jimmy Johns, oh well. As mentioned above, he's more Thabo than Tyrus, as the latter actually produced when given time, any plea for Johnson to get more minutes was seemingly on faith alone. When he couldn't even break the rotation to spot-rest Luol Deng it became clear that he didn't have the trust of Thibodeau and wasn't going to gain it. His value in a trade package to employ before Thursday afternoon was muddied by his option already being picked up for next season (and, of course: not being much of a prospect), and I think having that first-rounder and the cap space he occupied freed up will be more useful.
And yes, the Bulls have been under the cap all season and moreso now, as moving JJ's salary puts them ~$3m under, an amount they can use to absorb more salary than they send out. (For instance, Keith Bogans for OJ Mayo works straight-up now...) That and the added picks is big, because I don't think the Bulls want to give up many actual players, and maybe they shouldn't.
it's a real shame the deadline is so soon, considering the Bulls will just be getting their full frontcourt back the night before. Between getting back into 'basketball shape' (as the cliche goes) and re-acclimating with Carlos Boozer, it's not like Noah will be 100% immediately upon that return either. And there's the obvious impact on minutes and responsibilities and depth: Kurt Thomas will see fewer minutes, but will he be put behind Asik in the rotation? Will Luol Deng see some rest with reduced minutes at PF, or is that a lineup Thibs will go to regardless, especially when he's sick of seeing Boozer wave at the roll man on defense?
On the one hand, that is all frontcourt shuffling and the Bulls needs are clearly in the backcourt. The need for a bonafide starting SG, a second playmaker to go alongside Rose, a better backup PG option (I give CJ Watson a lot of leeway, but I'm not at the point of trusting him in the playoffs, either), ideally someone who could do a bit of all three. Maybe that is why I'm swooning a bit over Mayo to the point of willfully ignoring some red flags in both on and off-court fit: he can not only negate the Bogans experience but possibly shove CJ out of the rotation too, being the lead guard when Rose sits.
So the thoughts of improvement start and end in the backcourt, but Noah's return still matters in terms of the Bulls better figuring out what depth they possibly can give up, and now there clearly isn't enough time for the type of thorough on-court evaluation that would be preferred.
(it similarly would've been nice to see Korver or Brewer start and play more minutes at times to at least see how that looked)
Maybe it's for the best, though. This current frontcourt depth is a real asset, and shouldn't be viewed as a luxury as much as a necessity in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Even Kurt Thomas, if properly re-embalmed for preservation purposes, will likely make an impact on a playoff game. And there's no guarantee the Bulls could pull a (BigZ-esque) move where they assume that Thomas would re-sign with the team after being a trade salary throw-in.
So if the aforementioned big men depth is needed, their big-contract guys are ones they don't to move, and role-players on multi-year deals like Korver, Brewer, or Watson aren't usually desirable for a trade deadline seller, and the expiring deals are league minimum...there's not much to hope for besides targeting guys on their rookie contracts using the cap space and picks. Speculating on names like Mayo, Courtney Lee, and Wilson Chandler (and there's been actual rumors about the first two, meanwhile Marcus Thornton is off the imaginary list) is an exciting way to imagine our future starting 5, but while adding both cap room and picks for James Johnson was a great flip of a deteriorating asset, I'm not sure that it will be enough. Then the decision gets far tougher.
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I would love to trade for a quality 2 guard as much as anyone
but I’m not going to get upset if nothing happens. The reason for that is that GarPaxDorf has now added another head to that 3 headed drafting ‘monster’ and this team is as good as it has ever been.
Perhaps TibGarPaxDorf is an upgrade because the Org seems to trust Tibs’ opinions and influence more than VDN and Scot Skiles. I guess what I am trying to say is that future drafts can look more like a Spurs draft where they are finding George Hills and Gary Neals who are quality bench guys that you can immediately plug into the rotation. And if not, well, it’s still multiple 1st rounders with some available cap space to maneuver with in the near future.
And to be honest, I’m not over the top in favor of Lee and Mayo. Afflalo is my guy and I doubt Denver wants to move him.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 22, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions
They trusted Skiles a lot.
He went to draft interviews, went to sell Ben Wallace on playing in blue jeans, etc.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
They also fired him on Xmas Day or eve or whatever.
I know they trusted Skiles, but this seems a bit different, at least that’s how I perceive things.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 22, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
That was what? Four, five years in? Let's get in a full season first.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Or, I can see things my way
and you can see things your way. Probably easier.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 22, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Probably.
But easy shouldn’t be a substitute for being right.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
True,
Didn’t they also pass on Aldridge because Skiles didn’t like what he saw when he looked into his eyes, or something?
but at least they never dealt Deng for Richard Jefferson
(that was always a rumor re: Skiles)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather spend the 2011 1st round picks in trade
This draft class is really going to be weak. Especially at the positions where we would have the most need. Trade the 1sts for established talent, even if it’s not superstar potential, to help for this year, and use the 2nds to load up on quality bench players. That’s where the really good organizations make their money, on getting guys in the 2nd round, that they can either stash or are hidden gems.
We never really know how weak a draft class is
until a few years after it has happened. Still, I understand your point for sure.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 22, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why is the draft class so weak from the Bulls perspective?
Everything i’ve read says that the draft is short on high-impact Wall/Rose/BGriff types, but has lots of quality players that would provide depth on good teams. There are several decent wing or back-up pg options for where the Bulls are likely to draft. I’m not saying the Bulls should hang onto their picks, if one of the SG targets is available. But, I don’t buy the idea that they should just dump the picks because the draft class is weak.
by JSB on Feb 22, 2011 11:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let me put it this way
If the choice is between standing pat with 2 late 1sts or going out and using those 1sts to get a SG for this year (Mayo, Lee, or Smith). I’d rather use the picks in a trade.
You are right that this class has several options as far as backup wings or PG’s, but what we need is a starter at the SG, more than anything. You won’t get that from any of the 1st round prospects, where we are picking. At least not from looking at what would be available. Of course, there is always the slight possibility that we strike gold on the pick, but those chances are quite slim.
And you can basically get the same type of guy with the two 2nd round picks we have. This is why I say use the 1sts in trades now.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 22, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
the chances of picking up a starting 2 guard better than the 2 guards on the market
with a late 1st round pick are slim to none. And I agree, the top of the 2nd round is just as viable a place to get those guys.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
As long as we didn’t have to give up any rotation players (other than Bogans) I would trade two firsts for Lee or Mayo.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 12:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I knew they shouldn't have picked up James Johnson's option for next year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think they get a first if he's just an expiring
it doesn’t matter either way, it worked out. :P
New sig coming, but it's a process.
by Prevenge on Feb 22, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
plus i think its the 'kindness' of the org
extend him, give a chance (or not really) continue to pay him, then trade him instead of just discarding him. Like you said….it worked out better this way at any rate
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 22, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Ahh yes Tyger, you always know.
We know this, as you’ve made it abundantly clear time after time…after time.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Feb 22, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Tyger already did some nice brand-building tonight
he can be Wilson Chandler guy, who’s likely not coming here, so he can keep mentioning it. Truly a skill.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I that's how this works, can you guys put me down as a Kobe Bryant guy?
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:44 AM CST up reply actions
brad miller says hi
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wanted Boozer on this Bulls team in the offseason, no one ever called me the Boozer guy
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Feb 23, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
forever alone
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 23, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it looks bad in retrospect
It was a pretty cheap option though, and it wasn’t like Thibs already knew he wasn’t going to play the guy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
You also knew they shouldn't have signed Kurt Thomas
We’ll call it one for two.
On the notion of accountability for past ideas. Where are all the people that were all over Josh Childress this summer? The same Josh Childress that now has one of the worst contracts in th NBA.
by JSB on Feb 22, 2011 11:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think Childress was a great fit for us given that he didn't shoot the 3 as well as I remembered [ah, Phoenix Suns]
but … yeah, no idea what happened to him. Man.
New sig coming, but it's a process.
i'd say he's playing with a broken finger
except he isn’t even playing.
he’s no kobe…. so?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Maybe his broken finger forced him out of the rotation and he just hasn't healed it
that’s an option.
New sig coming, but it's a process.
Right. My thought was that Kurt Thomas would get minutes at the expense of Asik, who would be better (or the same)....
…now and would need the developmental work for down the road. I’m not sure that’s disproven.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Could prove to be quite prophetic in the coming weeks and months, but I hope not
I think Asik needs to keep that role as backup center. That second unit has been devastating defensively. Love ya Kurt, but get some rest for the playoffs.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i believe you also said
the bulls probably wouldn’t crack 50 wins, because people were downplaying the contributions of players no longer with team. Tyrus, Brad, Salmons, et al.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
As I've stated countless times.
I’m very often wrong.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i havent seen it :)
but i thought it was at least good point that should be considered in projecting this year’s team.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I'm pretty sure the number of times you've said that is a very countable one.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
meh? literally or figuratively
I don’t promise not to speak non-literally again.
sheesh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I mean to say that I'm pretty sure you've very rarely admitted to being wrong.
Pat Riley is the devil.
This will be lame...
…but I will say that is not what my statement actually said.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Whatever you think of the relative merits of Asik and Thomas
Asik can’t currently play 30 minutes a game. The Bulls would have been royally screwed without having Thomas on the team to step in and take some of Noah’s minutes. And given that Asik was ahead of Thomas in the rotation before the injuries, I don’t think the basis for your fears was well-founded.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 8:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ends justifies the means?
I don’t agree that because I turned out to be wrong, my fears weren’t well-founded. I think I laid out pretty logical reasons why I had my fears.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps your fears were well-found based on treatment of Tyrus
But, it turned out to be a good thing that the Bulls signed Kurt. He had more left in the tank than anticipated and has been very valuable.
absolutely.
It would have been very tough to roll with Asik and Courtney Sims or Rod Benson while Noah was out for 2+ months
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Before Noah sat out, Kurt Thomas played a grand total of 11 minutes.
Asik has played in every game this season.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Gar Paxsdorf needs to take a page out of DRose's book, "Why not us?"
2 deadline trades which aren’t too outlandish which make us legit title contenders this year:
Trade 1: Ignore JJ going to Houston
Bulls Get: SG Courtney Lee and PG Ishmael Smith from HOU, with 2010 2nd round pick from MEM
Rockets Get: SG OJ Mayo and C Hasseem Thabeet from MEM and 2010 1st round pick from CHI
Grizz Get: PG Aaron Brooks, C Brad Miller and SF Chase Budinger from HOU and SG Keith Bogans with 2010 1st round pick from CHI
After making this deal, we would still have around $2.7 mil under the cap.
Trade 2: Couldn’t throw this one through the Trade Machine, they haven’t updated rosters yet
Bulls Get: SF Wilson Chandler from DEN
Nuggets Get: PG Beno Udrih and SF Omri Casspi from SAC with 2011 1st round pick from CHI
Kings Get: PG Raymond Felton from DEN
Make it happen GarPax
No mention of Afflalo ?
I think he’s the one SG who’d fit perfect next to Rose. He scores better than Mayo and has none of the negatives. It’d be a heavy price to pay to get him, but who knows what Denver needs or wants at the moment. No one knows what their strategy is.
Affalo is a pipe dream
Denver isn’t going to give him up, he’s a player I think they will use as foundation to rebuild. He and Lawson are their back court of the future.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 22, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There's no way that he isn't available for the right price.
But that price may be too big, especially if they don’t want to move him necessarily you’d likely have to over pay.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 22, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, but what could the Bulls offer?
He’s a good, young player that is still on a cheap rookie contract. There is no reason for them to get rid of him. The only way I see that happening is if someone is willing to take Al Harrington’s crappy contract with it.
I have no idea
I just would rather the Bulls look at SGs that would be the long term answer rather than red flagged marginal improvements. I think Lee could be that, but Afflalo could definitely be that. I’d sacrifice big man depth for a starting 5 that was rock solid defensively and offensively.
But it is definitely a pipe dream.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 23, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Lee isn't that good
There is a reason he’s on his 3rd team in 3 years and perhaps 4th by Thursday. He’s not a considerable upgrade and I’d rather have depth in the frontcourt where it’s tougher to find.
And Afflalo is just not being traded unless Al Harrington comes with it.
yeah, pretty much
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
i think its funny when mediocre players become unmovable
oh the days of Kirk Hinrich, I miss you not
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 22, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Right?
Afflalo and Lawson are nice little players, but if denver’s making them unmoveable, it’s gonna be a loooong rebuilding process
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:46 AM CST up reply actions
They're not unmoveable overall
They’re just unmoveable for the pieces that people are going to offer. Looking at Denver’s needs as a rebuilding team, they need young talented players who are on value contracts. They have that in Lawson and Affalo. A team like the Bulls literally has no one on the roster they’d trade who’s a better fit for what Denver is trying to do than these players they already have. The Bulls aren’t going to offer Rose or Noah.
Denver has their priorities straight. They’ve acknowledged how good their team can realistically be and are planning for the long term, which involves stockpiling cheap talent, picks, and cap space, until they can acquire another star to build around.
I think Lawson is highly under rated.
If I was Denver I would be thinking of him much like many of us think about Noah.
Where do you get that Afflalo scores better than Mayo?
This year has easily been his best, and he’s still only scoring 13.2 pts/36. Mayo is easily having his worst year, and scores 15.5 pts/36.
You could say Afflalo his a “more efficient” scorer since his TS% is better, but he’s also a much lower USG player and Mayo has a better PER. Also, Mayo is still younger and developing.
I wouldn’t say Afflalo scores better than Mayo.
"ideally someone who could do a bit of all three."
$3M+Scal=Livingston.
I still feel we are very vulnerable at PG.
yeah i'm not looking forward to a playoff performance involving CJ standing there dribbling aimlessly while nobody cuts
its gonna be frustrating to have to dig our way out of holes in the second and fourth
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by paddyfairview on Feb 22, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Hasn't our bench been outperforming most lately?
I can’t recall too many games where the second unit has given up leads lately. As frustrating as CJ can be at times, with Taj/Asik/Brewer on the second unit, he serves a purpose.
by JSB on Feb 22, 2011 11:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sure, we've been outperforming "most". i'm not convinced they're going to pack any offensive punch against a playoff squad
…with stingy defense. nobody’s doubting our D, but you do have to score the ball.
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by paddyfairview on Feb 23, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
And
during tha playoffs, Thibs is going to play Rose a minimum of 46 minutes a game. Deng, of course, will get 48.
by El Toro de Goro on Feb 23, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
The backups (mainly Taj and Asik) are a freaking fortress
They might be bad at offense, but the other team can’t score either.
by tuluse on Feb 23, 2011 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'ed for "Freaking Fortress"
Fuck the Big Macs!
You've gotta remember
Our second unit usually plays against the other teams second unit. They won’t be up against Lebron, Wade, and Bosh or Garnett, Allen, and Pierce all at the same time.
Exactly.
And now we don’t have JJ to take out LBJ’s knee in the playoffs. Cuz let’s face it, Bosh kinda sucks, and I just feel sorry for Wade’s knee already.
flagged
for feeling sorry for anything about wade
by obnoxious american on Feb 23, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Just finished reading all the comments from the previous threads
and my eyes finally stopped bleeding. So basically it’s either Lee of Mayo. Thibs prefers Lee, but the bulls are still talking to the Grizz regarding Mayo. And there’s also a chance they do nothing, and keep the picks. What if the Grizzlies want either Taj or Asik with picks for Mayo, is it worth it then? I know some people said with Noah coming back we can afford to trade some big man depth, but I think that’s asking for too much. Big man depth is important, especially since both Taj and Asik are good defenders that can contribute during the playoffs.
I think it's out of Lee or Parker
The grizzlies probably won’t trade Mayo because Rudy Gay is out for a month, in that case, i hope the bulls land Lee.
Or J.R. Smith...
But that would require the Bulls trading more than just picks.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 22, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Dont know if anyone mentioned yet
but the bulls could make use of scals “non-guaranteed” contract as well for more “flexbility”. They can waive scal, then pay him to be a player coach or whatever the hell a-drains role was on this team, and the bulls can be closer to 4 mil under the salary cap. Then they can go after a bigger contract, such as stephen jackson (trade bogans and cj watson for an additional 4 mil and that should do it)
I say the bulls should make use of scals contract in that way, and package cj moreso than bogans mainly cuz cj has the bigger contract (or just ship both their asses)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Who are we getting back in this CJ deal?
Unless it’s Mayo, I don’t see how the Bulls can do that. Whether or not you like CJ, it’s undeniable that he is the only guy on the Bulls that can run the point when Rose is on the bench. Nobody else has close to the ball handling skills to do it.
Unless the Bulls get back a combo guard or a pg, you can’t trade CJ. And no, signing a D-League guy is not a viable alternative. You don’t want one of those guys running the offense for 12 minutes a game
by JSB on Feb 22, 2011 11:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i didnt propose any specific deal
theres always the ability to sign dleaguers (remember they were working out combo pgs) or when you get one of the expensive contracts do a three way to pick up some cheap pg that isnt being utilized (like ish smith from houston)
the backup pg doesnt have to be great…just has to exist right?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 22, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
We worked out those combo PG's
but the perfect backup PG for this squad is still out in the D League, and we didn’t even bring him in.
If I were the Bulls, I bring in Antonio Daniels for the stretch run. Big, defensive minded PG that can run an offense, and has playoff experience.
I believe 1/10
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Scal's contract is now guaranteed
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Bogans + Charlotte pick + Miami pick for Mayo?
Any chance the Grizz bite on that?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Doesn't work salary wise, the Bulls would have to add more to it
They could add Asik to make it work, but I just don’t see any reason for them to be interested in that deal. It would take at least something like Taj/Watson or Watson/Asik to do it with the picks, and even then, I don’t see why they would. Mayo will likely have some decent trade value in the offseason.
It does work salary wise
Bogans at 1.6 + our 2.9 = 4.5 mil
OJ Mayo = 4.4 mil
What is the 2.9?
And why would Memphis do this? The Miami pick is crap and the Charlotte pick could end up just being a mid-1st rounder. Why give up a talented young SG for that?
the Bulls traded away JJ and his 1.7 million salary
they had about 1.2 million in cap space. OJ Mayo is reportedly on the block.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 23, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
I'd guess we're going after someone...
I wouldn’t think we’d trade off JJ at this point without a plan to bring something in…
oh, sure we would :)
flexibility.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Take your time coming up with new org. cliches
It’s a process
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Feb 22, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
obviously were going after someone
its just a question of whether its now, after the season or in the draft :-P
Miami pick and Bulls 2012 pick for Courtney Lee
if they don’t want that than forget about them
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 22, 2011 11:37 PM CST reply actions
With Morey, those picks probalby turn into 2 more courtney lees
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Feb 22, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
I was gonna say
How about we run a black ops mission to kidnap Popovic and the Spurs scouts, and force them to tell us what they would do with the picks.
Then we can keep them.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
by mrdope on Feb 22, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
where is Gary Neal's evil clone? WHERE POPS, WHERE?????
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by paddyfairview on Feb 23, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, if Morey's a dick about it, screw him
That’s a nice deal for a player like Lee.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee please. Mayo is shorter, less athletic, and can’t guard a folding chair
He’s like a rookie Bogans with better handle and a slightly more consistent J.
Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Thats the one thing I really like about Lee is his got a bit on length (no homo)
I think your assessment of Mayo is way off.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
You've never seen Mayo play if these are truly your thoughts
by Option27 on Feb 23, 2011 12:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Nope, I’ve seen Mayo play many times even at SC when I used to live in LA
We’ll agree to disagree, but that’s just my observation about Mayo. I think Lee has more upside and he’s had deep playoff experience. I’m actually surprised he’s been traded so many times.
Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Lee has more upside?!
If there was ever a young player with the “what you see is what you get” tag, it’s Lee.
by Option27 on Feb 23, 2011 12:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Except when he goes off for like 20 points in 20 minutes and guides a team to a win
New sig coming, but it's a process.
Seriously
Mayo is the upside guy. Lee is more of the safe play. I’m fine with either at this point, but Mayo would be one one hell of a get imo. And if would also be a strong signal that the Bulls are serious about contending, because he’s the type of player that could demand some good money in the next year or two
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:50 AM CST up reply actions
Parker is my guess
I don’t see Morey trading Lee without us giving up someone in our frontcourt, and I don’t see us giving up that depth. Mayo is a pipe dream and we don’t have the pieces to get him. Maybe in the offseason if they get desperate.
Parker seems to make some sense. Cleveland would likely take that Miami 1st rounder for him and he gives us a minor upgrade at SG.
Despite the Bogans trash talking, he’s actually played relatively well the last couple months. He’s shot the 3 at a nice rate and is still a decent defender that plays within Thibs system. I guess the question is, would Parker be that much of an upgrade for those 15 minutes a night? Or does that Miami pick have some value for trades this offseason?
I don't understand how he figures to get frontourt help using Courtney Lee
Especially considering he wants good frontcourt players like Nene. Does he really think that’s going to happen. Courtney Lee isn’t even the typical sort of guy teams want in that kind of deal. He’s too old to be a prospect, and he doesn’t have much upside. Morey’s dreaming if he thinks he can get a lot better then what we’re willing to give.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:54 AM CST up reply actions
I also wouldn't be totally opposed to having a look at Alec Burks or Marshon Brooks
could we get him with the Miami pick? and just settle for Parker Butler, this year.
Boom! Asik, Asik, Asik the room.
I wouldn't mind trading for Courtney Lee for now and then signing someone like JR Smith after the season.
You could have really great depth in almost every aspect except the point guard which is already a great strength.
Rose
Lee/ Smith
Deng/ Korver/ Brewer
Boozer/ Taj
Noah/ Asik
Too much for a backup PG and he wouldn't be a good SG
New sig coming, but it's a process.
i predict the bulls pull something completely out of the blue
i bet this mayo/lee bullshit is all smokescreens for some awesome move
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
by sin on Feb 23, 2011 3:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Apperently Marcus Thorton of the Hornets is available for draft picks.
https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo
Doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade at first, but I looked deeper at his stats. He is pretty decent per minutes played. And he had a great game against the Bulls.
he was already traded to the kings for landry..
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
also he's bad at D
he wouldn’t get any run here
New sig coming, but it's a process.
Another reason to be pissed about Bogans starting:
(it similarly would’ve been nice to see Korver or Brewer start and play more minutes at times to at least see how that looked)
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Why did you quote yourself?
We have seen both players play minutes with the starters, and depending on matchups, we have seen them play more minutes. Heck, they both average more minutes than the starter.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
Umm, I didn't quote myself...
Those are yfbb’s words.
And I don’t care how many minutes they average, at least one of the two should be averaging more.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh
Although he needs to be replaced because I don’t think he can keep up his hot shooting,Bogans hasn’t hurt the Bulls since Mid- December really. He’s also out-played Brewer at times. I don’t think Brewer has distinguished himself to the point that he demands more minutes. Korver? Yeah. I’d like to have seen him get a bit more time with Rose. But, it’s hard to complain about the results.
by JSB on Feb 23, 2011 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Brewer plays better if he gets more minutes?
The point is, it’s silly to have a rotation set up the way it is right now. Even moreso than Bogans being bad, that’s what bothers me. Thibs obviously knows Bogans isn’t very good, or he’d bring him back at other points of the game.
He should have just went with the offensive/defensive combo of Korver/Brewer and given CJ some spot minutes at the two when he’s playing well and/or he wants to go small. All Bogans does is muddy up the picture, even if he’s hitting his threes at a better rate lately.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Just to add to my point
I’d even rather see him take Brewer completely out of the lineup and pull the same offense/defense thing with Korver and Bogans. I know that’s a little ridiculous since Brewer is a fairly valuable player, but that’s how much this current rotation bothers me.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Look through Bogan's career history.
Posted it previously with the stats, his two good months mean nothing, he’ll come crashing back to earth.
Almost every season he’s had at one or two good months, and then been terrible the rest of the time. There’s no reason to make any decisions based on his recent play.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 23, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Um, isn't that what I just said
That he needs to be replaced because the recent hot streak is a mirage.
Ha. yes it most definitely is.
My bad, I clearly misread your post.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 23, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
From Woj overnight. (This has probably been posted somwhere, but I haven't seen it):
Bulls trying to work deal for Lee
The Chicago Bulls are still pursuing shooting guard Courtney Lee, offering a first-round draft pick to the Houston Rockets, sources said.
Chicago could make the offer more intriguing with the addition of the Miami Heat’s 2011 first-round pick that the Bulls acquired from Toronto for forward James Johnson on Tuesday. For now, the Rockets are determined to bring back size and want Bulls center Omar Asik in any package for Lee.
The Bulls are determined to find a shooting guard before Thursday’s deadline.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:57 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Please do it Pax. I can't go back to Bogans after this.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
Is Houston really going to get a better offer than that for Courtney Lee?
Seems like Morey’s just trying to hose somebody.
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 23, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The only holdup would be
if they’re actually serious about wanting to keep him, or if they’re dead set on holding out for a bigger deal. Wanting to keep him is possible, but it doesn’t make much sense because they already have Kevin Martin. If they trade Martin, that’s a different story.
As for holding out for a bigger deal, the draft picks we can offer are probably way more enticing than Courtney Lee so I’m not sure that makes sense either. In the end, it comes down to just how much Morey wants to be an ass and “win” this trade. He can hold out for Asik all he wants, but we shouldn’t give him up,
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Kevin Martin aspect is intriguing; but you know they'd be asking some team to give up a lot for him
and you’re right, you’d think our firsts would be more valuable to them in a big trade than Lee would (assuming they don’t trade Martin)
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The two 1sts they control in the upcoming draft for Courtney Lee?
Yes, please.
by kozzer on Feb 23, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just PLEASE do not trade any big men! They're more important than an upgrade at SG
by kozzer on Feb 23, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
But so does Morey, which is why he will insist on it. I think he’d be foolish to keep Lee over getting picks, though. It will come down to demand and what other teams are willing to offer.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Two 1st round picks for Courtney Lee
You’re joking right?
We can probably pawn one pick for a Parker rental.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
how is 1 pick for Parker better than 2 for Lee?
Parker’s useless
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
I’d rather give two firsts for Lee than acquire Parker, even if Parker only costs a second-round pick.
I'm starting to come to that idea, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd give a 2nd rounder for his sister before I'd give one for him.
At least she has some tread left on the tires…
Two late firsts in this year's draft is nothing.
MUCH rather do that for Lee than anything for Parker.
why are they offering just one? Who cares ... make that 2 1st and a 2nd
Lee is the real deal
Screw the haters. It's Cutler time.
by lexmarklover on Feb 23, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably just part of negotiations
The Bulls are offering one pick right now, and the Rockets want Asik and God knows what else. They’ll probably meet in the middle some time tomorrow
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
They need to be tickled on the luxury tax to get them to open up
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Feb 23, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, Happy Noah day everyone!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 5:59 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Happy Noah Day!!!
Let’s hope he gets back in rhythm quick. I personally don’t care if they play like crap against the Raptors, but they gotta beat the Heat.
Sam Smith:
The big advantage for the Bulls of trading Johnson may be the $1.7 million in salary they save. The Bulls now have almost $3 million under the salary cap they can offer to a player who seeks a buyout from his team, perhaps like Detroit’s Tayshaun Prince.
…
Among the players most rumored for buyouts are, New Jersey’s Troy Murphy, Indiana’s T.J. Ford, the Clippers’ Rasual Butler and Cleveland’s Anthony Parker.
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 6:51 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
sorry
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
Does this scare anyone else?:
ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Boston and Miami are the frontrunners to sign soon to be free agent Troy Murphy, league sources tell SI
And how many power forwards does Boston need? At this point I think they’re just signing guys to keep them away from other teams
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
That does scare me. I think the idea of him going to Miami scares me more, because he might actually see some playing time and can stretch the D.
It seems unlikely that he would play much in Boston, especially once J. O’Neal comes back. That does seem like a signing to keep him away from the Heat.
by NoVertical on Feb 23, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, particularly for Miami that would be pretty scary
and I’d imagine that’s where he’d wanna go. They give him the best opportunity for playing time, and winning. Hopefully all this time off has made him incredibly rusty, because he’s been a pretty good, underrated player the last few years imo.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
If Troy Murphy was coming to the Bulls...
I’d move Taj for OJ
by Jesse07 on Feb 23, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What about next year?
Troy’s contract is expiring.
by NerdVernacular on Feb 23, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know
Taj might be better than Murphy, and is almost certainly a better fit for the team.
but is he better than OJ+Murphy?
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
However, if Memphis wants a power forward couldn’t they just sign Murphy themselves and have the better talent group then?
depends
Taj provides more D while Murphy is more offensive. Plus Taj has more years ahead
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't scare me.
For any points Murphy will score, he will give up an equal amount on the other side of the ball.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
Isn't that better than Erick Dampier, Joel Anthony, though?
on overall team production, on point differential going from -2 to 0 is as good as going from 2 to 4, no?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is a good point.
Additionally, there is a chance that playing only situationally and with Wade/Lebron/Bosh would up a player such as Murphy’s production, if only slightly.
yeah but he would present problems for our defense for sure
if boozer is covering him, we’ve seen him have trouble out on the perimeter, if its noah, that takes an interior defender out of the paint and puts him on the 3 pt line.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Why would it scare you? Anything to get Garnett or Perkins off the floor is a good thing.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 23, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but there is such a thing as having a good bench, which helps win games also
Murphy would be a big time upgrade over whatever they’re gonna throw out there. Big Baby? Jermaine?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Aren't they capped out?
Can’t sign Murphy unless they lose salary
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
not if he's bought out
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
What are the cap rules on contracts after buyouts?
Can teams over the cap just sign for the vet min? Can we offer up to the salary cap?
But if he wants more playing time
to play himself into a larger contract after this season, he may choose that, which based on rosters, MIA seems to have the playing time available.
yup
they’re looking to move miller for a C
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Right, but
if it means getting Joel Anthony or Erick Dampier off the floor, it isn’t a good thing (for the Bulls).
"At this point I think they’re just signing guys to keep them away from other teams"
I do think that is a significant aspect of their supposed maneuvering prior to the deadline.
If the Bulls could be certain of getting Murphy
I’d trade Asik for Lee. I really like Asik, but Noah is coming back which limits his minutes anyway.
What about Pietrus as a last resort?
It’s a shame his shot is off this year. Always a pretty solid defender. Ideal size for a 2 guard.
I don’t imagine he’d cost much.
i dont careeeeeeeeeeeeeee
i just wanna watch noah play! 10-11 more hours!!!!!!
i will never consider moving asik for lee
asik, taj, kurt combo off the bench gives us an edge. the defensive intensity increases when our 2nd unit comes in. Lee is good, but he’s role player, same as asik. So I’ll go with the big guy
Exactly
If we’re gonna pony up and give up Asik, why not go balls to the wall and package Asik with the picks and get someone really worth it. Houston is overplaying their hand if they actually want to move Lee. Of course, this is how negotiations usually go, so I would be very surprised if they didn’t lower their demands prior to the deadline. Unfortunately though, that means we’ll have to wait a little while longer :(
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
if we're going to give up asik
trade him for mayo eh?instead of lee
No way
Asik will be an NBA starting center. Unless someone is dangling a lottery pick and a SG we shouldn’t bite.
Mayo has to get paid after this season.
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by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
if Asik is a starting NBA center, it won't be for the Bulls
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
eventually he will
he’s a bit older than Noah and Asik, his defense is worse, and it’s possible (in my mind) that we could eventually be a better team starting noah/asik than boozer/noah
Noah at the 4.
Not sure how I feel about that. Also, Asik would have to be better at the FT line than 58%. Then again, Dwight Howard shoots 58%, so maybe it’s not such an issue.
I like Noah at the 4
at least in spots, basically because I think he’s a little undersized to deal with the larger centers out there. People around here have pointed out how Thomas has at times had better matchups against the big centers than Noah, and I think Asik slides into that role as KT inevitably retires/falls apart.
He's on 29 with 4 years of his deal.
That makes him 33 by the end of his deal. With a game not based on athleticism and strength a post game and a mid range game, he should play well even in his mid-30’s.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
Boozer's strength could stay with him for a long, long time
although yes, that’s not really a part of his game
by Stacey_Is_King on Feb 23, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
The Jomer configuration
seems more like a gimmick and a match-up problem rather than an honest-to-goodness lineup. Neither of those two has the offensive acumen of Boozer and the Bulls would suffer the scoring droughts of years past without a low-post offensive weapon. But damn, how would the opposition score.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 23, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Jomer wouldn’t be a horrible offensive duo because they have some skills, but it wouldn’t be exciting. But you could offset that by playing Korver w/ Rose and Deng instead of Bogans.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Feb 23, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like it. A lot.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
This line of thinking is somewhat irritating and this isn't the first time I've seen it come up
From David Haugh: Link
The Bulls can consider Noah their trade-deadline addition. As Noah returns Wednesday after missing 30 games with a thumb injury, he and Boozer only have played nine games together.
I’m as excited as anyone that Noah is coming back, but he is not a trade-deadline addition. That seems pretty typical of the Bulls FO, “Hey guys! I know we didn’t improve at the SG position, but Noah’s back and that’s almost like making a trade! Right?”
If the Bulls stand pat and don’t make a deal as to maintain the front court depth, that’s fine with me. But don’t spin it as Noah coming back is the reason we don’t need a SG upgrade. That’s just nonsense.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
by bryield on Feb 23, 2011 9:40 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
David Haugh should stick to football
sounds like he’s just spewing nonsense because he has nothing else to say. I doubt anyone at from the Bulls org gave him that reasoning.
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 23, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Eh, I don't know. It has appeared in several places...
Scottie Pippen link
As for the Bulls—currently third in the East and only trailing the top spots by two games—whether they make at trade or not before Thursday’s deadline, it’s going to feel like a move was made with the return of Joakim Noah on Wednesday.
Mike McGraw link
So as far as the Bulls are concerned, they’ll have the NBA’s most significant trade-deadline addition when center Joakim Noah returns from 30 games off with a torn ligament in his right thumb.
Barry Rozner link
Noah is the best possible midseason acquisition for the Bulls, since they weren’t going to get Carmelo Anthony. They get a starting center, give up nothing in return, and add Noah to a lineup that’s already posted the third-best record in the conference, even though the starting five has played only nine games together this season.
"If the Bulls are healthy it could get ugly." - Joakim Noah
by bryield on Feb 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It is a common trade-deadline trope in sports
When an important theretofore-injured player is returning concurrent with or sometime near the deadline. I always find it pretty spurious reasoning.
Triple ugh
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
David Haugh is a dolt
The guy is clueless when to comes to Basketball
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for capitalizing "Basketball"
it should be a proper noun.
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 23, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
lol, yeah, that that's why I did it!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Woj: Bulls trying to work deal for C. Lee
Chicago could make the offer more intriguing with the addition of the Miami Heat’s 2011 first-round pick that the Bulls acquired from Toronto for forward James Johnson on Tuesday. For now, the Rockets are determined to bring back size and want Bulls center Omer Asik in any package for Lee.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhExfsKQ9VKN.uTwwZGt6Y68vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz022211
For everyone that opposes picking up Courtney Lee for a first round pick I must ask are you crazy?
Lee is shooting 42% from 3 this season, is 25, 6-5, can play decent defense and has 2 years with a qualifying offer for the third year, and costs roughly 1.3 million this season which still leaves room to make another move. In my estimation his defense will get better in Thib’s system. This guy is exactly what we need!!! If Keith Bogans would just hit his shot consistently we wouldn’t need anyone, but regardless this man is only 25! Barring injuries, adding lee will make us legitimate contenders this year!!
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by mazzimo on Feb 23, 2011 10:59 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He is not 6'5
Closer to 6’3
Dont trust the listed info
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is it just me
or does favors’ head make him look like he’s staring into one of those fun house mirrors?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
if that is even favors, not sure
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
courtney lee
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
No one recognizes him when he's not screaming at his snot.
JoNo Comeback Week Assassination Missions:
Raptors:
Heat:
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 23, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't recognize him without
that facemask he used to wear.
by Stacey_Is_King on Feb 23, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Lee for the Heats 1st is fine
Lee for two #1s is nuts.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think people are opposed to it if Asik is traded for Lee
I too support Lee for a 1st rd pick. He’d be great in Thibs’ D
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by CAto312 on Feb 23, 2011 11:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I too would be opposed to that. I have seen nearly every Bulls game this season and
I believe people that think Asik isn’t an untradeable asset are highly mistaken. Asik had 11 rebounds last week offf the bench. This rookie consistently gets steals, blocks shots, and his drive from the free throw line around a defender to posterize the low post guy was as inspiring as it was a testimate to his continued improvement this year. Asik is good enough to start on some teams in this league. Having a young 7 foot, (im not going to call him athletic) hard working guy, that is a sponge and buys into team defense is highly underrated by this chicago fan base and many other NBA fans. Especially when we are trading for people who are on the trading block because of poor defense, poor work ethic, chemistry diminishing players.
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Courtney Lee is close to 6'5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oorQXhe1BY
Take a look at the 26 second mark. Lebron James is 6’8
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So If most fans agree with the Lee for Pick(s) deal
at what cost is he too much?
1 First Round Pick?
1 First and 1 Second?
1 First and 2 Seconds?
2 First Round Picks?
2 Firsts and 1 Second?
2 Firsts and 2 Seconds?
3 First Round Picks?
……
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i could probably be talked into any of those scenarios
if we’re good and have most of our players signed for the next few years, those 1st round picks won’t mean much to us.
3 sounds like a lot, but if we’re talking about the 26-30th picks, then so be it.
Yeah, my thinking was what's the chance our picks would ever get real minutes.
And, considering that the 2011 draft is considered to be fairly weak, I think we can’t overvalue these picks. Especially considering we’re a contender right now.
yeah
it sounds a bit ludicrous, but if those picks just turn into 3 more James Johnson’s on the payroll, then what’s the point.
and also, if James Johnson can get you a late 1st round pick, they probably aren’t that hard to come by if we really needed/wanted one. could always buy one too.
by M 80 on Feb 23, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2 first... for mayo
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I have to agree, although gems still can be found.
Landry Fields this past year was a 2nd round pick and now starts for the NY Knicks. Fields would be worth as much as lee to the bulls if they could acquire him. He is less athletic, but has a great jumper, plays solid defense and is a better rebounder then lee. He fits our system beautifully. I guess the real question with lee is do we think we can draft a lee type player with those picks or are “Landry Fields” type players such a rarity that sending picks for lee is the better option. On a minor note James Johnson was drafted higher then Taj Gibson in the same draft and the Bulls front office refuse to let him go.
This is Gator Nation!!
The question to ask is this
Can we win the whole fucking thing this year?
I think the Bulls brass thinks so.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 23, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
The difference is even if we were fortunate enough to draft a Landry Fields type player...
he would never get the opportunity to prove he was a legit starter.
YESSSS!!!
I was hyping a trade for Fields FOREVER! But think that window has closed (if it were ever open) Wanted to trade 2 picks to NY for fields so they could land melee but to late know..they traded they’re team for him & billips
espn chat
matt (oakland)
is mayo on the move?
Chad Ford
(1:24 PM)
Possibly. Grizzlies are talking to several teams, most notably Chicago, about a deal. Grizzlies are always tough to gauge at trade deadline because GM Chris Wallace and owner Michael Heisley don’t always see eye to eye. Lots of teams have told me they’ve had Wallace say yes and Heisley no or Wallace no then Heisley yes. So it’s tough to get a read.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/37130
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's pretty simple
Everyone already knows that the Grizzlies played fine without Mayo. They won’t pay him so you might as well get a few picks outta him and continue to build with guys you know are gonna stick around
Should the Bulls extend him this summer if they trade for him ?
probably not right ? they don’t have the money to do so if they extend Rose. At best they get Mayo next year and then present him the qualifying offer for 12-13. I guess that’s not too bad.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 23, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Since they would both be under the Bulls rights, wouldn't they be able to extend him and Derrick at any cost?
by Option27 on Feb 23, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'll
ask for more than that based on his draft position; overlooking performance. But, he is a scorer, and those guys get paid. (BG, Jason Terry).
Will anyone offer more than 8M/year?
I’m not sure who’ll have money, but I can’t imagine that someone would even give him Rainmaker money.
BG was the leading scorer of a playoff team, but I see what you mean.
A "Landry Fields" Type player
would just have to beat out Keith Bogans in practice or show in garbage minutes that he can score and will buy into the system. Coach thibs is no fool. James Johnson didn’t play because james johnson made it look like he was trying out every time he got the ball. He didn’t buy into the system and would not do what he had to do to make the line up. Every one in the bulls organization, fan or anyone who has seen a bulls game can tell you we need an athletic 3 point shooter. If we draft that you can find out in one team practice what u have…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reply button doesn't work for me.
Internet explorer and Firefox. Pressing the reply button just scrolls to the top of the page
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Im using firefox and it works just fine
Try refreshing your browser a couple of times
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 23, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
lol..good laugh before going to sleep :)
be back in 5hours :D will not miss noah’s return even though it means lack of sleep
hm...
TheRealC_Los
Yesterday after #Bulls practice ended at the Berto and after JJ trade, the sense from the players was that another another deal is coming.
The mystery reporter strikes again
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
from his twitter bio:
A Behind the Scenes Chicago Bulls Insider and Sports Writer for the Fresh Future. I’m from Chicago, One of the Best Sports Cities in the world
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 23, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, he must've just changed it, because it never said where he was from before
I wonder if he reads BaB
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
You sure abou that? I've checked his profile a few times and never seen it
I think I even looked yesterday. It always said that thing about Chicago, but it never said Fresh Future from what I remember
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Whoops.
I cut the rest of my post off. I mean to include the Fresh Future self description, which includes this:
The Fresh Future is a media and entertainment group that focuses on entertaining, informing, and educating the urban youth. The Fresh Future was formally known as TeenBiZness. We work to provide the latest news, tips and advice for the urban youth generation.
My theory is that this is some sort of aggregation/SEO operation, that basically steals information from elsewhere and drives traffic to their site to sell ad revenue. But I am willing to be persuaded that it is something else.
His inaptitude to disintegrate formally and formerly suggests your write
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Haha, nice catch.
There is another page on the site that solicits internship applications that uses “unless” when it should be “otherwise”
Interesting
Idk, the whole thing seems pretty odd
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
players should stop reading too much BaB
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
He was bitten by a radioactive Sam Smith
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Feb 23, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
haha
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Can we get a photoshop
of Sam emitting radiation with blood on his teeth?
Thank you for making me laugh out loud during a talk given by a Federal Judge.
You think he reads BaB?
I know Sam Smith does, once they engrave it in the tablets for him.
by cubbybear on Feb 23, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Great. Twitter is "over capacity"
How the hell did people handle trade deadlines before Twitter? What, am I supposed to refresh ESPN and Yahoo now?
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Here is what you do
1. Look at the twitter over-capacity logo with the whale being carried by little birds.
2. Try to divine clues about NBA trades from this picture (think: Eddy Curry)
3. Post negative twitter comments on blogs.
4. Repeat as needed.
dammit, I thought you were serious
I actually went over and looked at the whale before proceeding to step 2 and realizing you were joking around :(
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shit, I apologize.
Didn’t mean to lead you on.
Your original point is a good one, though. I remember the days of refreshing the ESPN.com NBA page fondly, but it seems like so long ago.
It really does
I’m almost completely Twitter dependent when it comes to sports news
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ahahahahaha
New sig coming, but it's a process.
If I had to guess
Pax offered something like a pick for Lee AND Mayo.
Both teams said no
Pax will wait till one of those players is traded to raise his bet or until very close to the deadline.
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
Yeah, unfortunately, we're probably gonna have to wait til tomorrow to see if the Bulls make a move or not
Since the Bulls aren’t gonna budge and give Asik up, teams will probably wait it out and see if better deals come along. We’ll probably be one of the last trades completed. Unless they do some sort of bigger deal involving Mayo. If it’s Lee, Parker etc., prob tomorrow
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Are there any other teams reportedly in the market for Lee?
I haven’t really seen much out there about that. It doesn’t mean that other teams wouldn’t be interested, but you’d think if there were other suitors the Rockets would be leaking that info, trying to drive up the price.
I don't think there's any like us that want him and him alone
but apparently Houston thinks there’s other teams that would want him in a package. To answer your question: No, I haven’t heard of anyone else. Which gives me hope that Houston might cave
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 23, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
so i have no idea if this has been answered or not
but is jj going to potentially be active for the raps tonight?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Toronto Star thinks so
If the league approves the trade in time — and there’s no indication it won’t — Johnson should be in uniform for the Raptors when they face the Bulls at the Air Canada Centre on Wednesday.
For the record: John Hollinger and Chris Sheridan picked Milwaukee to win the Central Division: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Central
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 23, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Theyre gonna need him to tell Toronto about the Bulls' sets
“Uh…They give it to Rose a lot.”
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
to get lee
bulls trade bogans and one of the picks to the cavs
anthony parker is traded to the rockets
bulls send the other first round pick to the rockets
rockets send the bulls lee
all teams potentially win
parker fits nicely with houston’s ‘by the numbers’ style of play as a battier lite (or potential replacement)
cavs get an extra first rounder, a smaller contract, while not upsetting the team chemistry (is there such a thing on the cavs) much.
Bulls get their 2 guard and get rid of bogans. Bulls can effectively start korver, and have brewer and lee come out wtih the second unit. Lee is better suited to play alongside watson and play off those double screens that were being used for korver
is this really that hard? its a pretty minor move considering all things, and yet it can have such a big impact on our team (and the future of the cavs and rockets)
smh
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
korver is NOT suitable for starting on this team! (smh)
two 1st round picks is too much for courtney lee, even if they are picks 28 and 29. sheesh!
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