Bulls 106, Bobcats 94: Luol Deng is in all your lineups, part of all your plays
| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Charlotte | 88.0 | 106.8 | 49.3% | 37.7 | 18.2 | 15.9 |
| Chicago | 120.5 | 54.6% | 30.3 | 26.8 | 13.6 |
The Bulls were able to beat one of the few teams they've yet to beat this season (it's a short list, actually. A chance to vanquish another with San Antonio coming in on Thursday), as the usual Bobcats matchup problems weren't as much of a factor tonight as in their two meetings prior. Stephen Jackson got his, and Boris Diaw made Boozer look ridiculous a few times, and Shaun Livingston and Gerald Henderson boosted a team on a back-to-back to a competitive 3-ish quarters...until the Bulls eventually took over for good.
Derrick Rose struggled in the first half on his way to a pedestrian night, but even an underwhelming final box score still means many a Rose impact: he had 13 assists, and even on his wildest drives he could draw defenders and allow his teammates to crash the offensive glass unencumbered. The Bulls as a team once again dominated the glass, with another Omer Asik high rebound night (7 in 14.5 minutes) being part of a balanced night from the Bulls role players: Taj had 11 points (10 FTAs!), Korver was perfect from the field with 15 points on 5 shots, and Keith Bogans keeps his relative hotness scale surging past 'rewarmed corpse' going 3-4 from behind the line.
But when it comes to a bench unit or a starting lineup extending leads in this game, all roads lead to Luol Deng. Played just under 44 minutes and was the team-high scorer with 24, critical in the first half when both Rose and Boozer struggled. Luol's shooting has been falling off a bit lately but he's still putting in serious work this season just by being out there, defending multiple positions, rebounding, and being a solid (if sometimes frustrating) 3rd option on offense. The idea of overwork leading to a late season injury can't help but hang over it all, but it's been commendable.
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'rewarmed' corpse lol
Aww, I think Bog6 is a little hotter than that. And the Bog6 rule seems to still be in effect. Hell, it’s even better than ’Lawler’s Law’
Payback Week Assassination Missions:
Bobcats: Mission Accomplished plus bonus Big Macs for E-Rob.
Spurs:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 15, 2011 10:56 PM CST reply actions
except its already failed
unless the idea is that he has to score MORE than 6, not just six
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 15, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh right, the Golden State game
oh well. :-P
Payback Week Assassination Missions:
Bobcats: Mission Accomplished plus bonus Big Macs for E-Rob.
Spurs:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
He was so hot he took a heat check.
…. and found out he was cold.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 15, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
he took a heat check ...
and found out he was BOGANS
the man whose veins are made of ice [except at the end of games, of course]
CDR and Courtney Lee: just two players the Bulls could have at SG this year.
RIP Keith Bogans Prophecy [12-1]
at the end of the game his veins are ON ice
(his night’s over in the 3rd)
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
seriously, though
is it possible that thib’s insistence on starting bogans turns out to be a stroke of genius? if bogans keeps hitting these open 3’s for the remainder of the season (and to be fair, he was advertised to be able to do this when the bulls signed him), i feel like that’ll make a huge difference in the bulls’ chances in each game. and without getting consistent minutes by starting, i don’t think bogans’ shooting would have come back, and he would really be a corpse warming the bench alongside scal.
But u gotta think that Kyle would knock down all those open shots as well if he played with Rose
Until Bogans is benched and Korver plays meaningful minutes with Rose, Thibs is worse than Vinny....
by Yibs on Feb 16, 2011 7:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He would...
But how many would he give up on the other end?
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
He's a better defnder than people give him credit for
Plus, the idea of him playing more isn’t just about making shots. Sure, that’s a big part of it, but the spacing he provides the offense is just as important.
Just like how Bogans missing shots isn’t what kills us, the fact that nobody guards him does.
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
I mainly had a problem with him
during the time he stopped even attempting to shoot because he had been missing. It really was 4 on 5 at that time.
by runningman on Feb 16, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly how i felt
if he was just missing, i would have been less angry. but he was passing up wide up open looks for no reason earlier in the season.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
your last line
is part of my thinking. if bogans can maintain couple of threes per game, he’ll give the team extra spacing that the bulls didn’t have before since the opposing teams will actually have to worry about him. i’m thinking 6~8 points + additional spacing per 15~18 min/game >>>> scal version 2 on the bench. i’m not suggesting bogans > korver, but having a semi-competent bogans > incompetent bogans. and without doing any math, i also think 15 minutes of semi-competent bogans + 20 minutes of korver > 0 min of incompetent bogans + 30+ min of korver.
How much credit should he get?
He did OK against Wallace but Tibs would not think of having him try to guard Jackson. I can’t think of any starting 2 guard in the East that he could be successful against.
I don't think Korver is a better defender...
He gets the appropriate amount of credit around here for trying hard and moving his feet…he is just not very good at it.
I don’t think offense is a problem for the starting 5 with an offensive rating of 111, which I expect will go up when Noah returns.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
I didn't say offense is a problem
But if we’re cherry picking what aspects of the team can use work, the offensive side of the ball or defensive side, I’d say offense. Especially when you consider that Thibs doesn’t seem to have a problem with inserting player that where considered to be poor defenders, and making them look good in his system. Unless you think the team is perfect and ready to win a ring…
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Last night he was perfect from the field. 15 points on 5(!) shots and still was -2…
Fuck the Big Macs!
deng's ballhandling
has seriously gotten a lot better. even though it’s not the most elegant, it’s been pretty effective.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Feb 15, 2011 10:58 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
That's especially true when they trap Rose,
leaving the floor wide open for Deng to drive.
by Tim S. on Feb 16, 2011 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Noah is the best compliment to Rose
during Rose traps. He sprints to the middle (usually its his guy as the extra trapper) and then he can drive or dish and he makes excellent decisions. Teams will stop trapping when Noah gets back becuase it’ll be so stupid to do.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I mentioned this a week or two after Noah initially went down.
Noah’s ball-handling ability was an underrated facet of the Bulls’ offense, in large part because he acts as a bit of a release-valve for Rose; when Rose is trapped or otherwise pressured in the backcourt, Noah’s pass-catching, handles, and play-making are all hugely beneficial in relieving that pressure and spacing/re-setting the offense.
by jpx7 on Feb 16, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with this.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Hell of a blog you have here my Chicago darlings. I like it. Who knows, maybe the Lakers and Bulls will meet in the Finals. Can you imagine the ratings? Kisses.
by California Girly Girl on Feb 15, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Then Kobe could officially pass the torch.
Or Derrick can just snatch it from him. ;)
Payback Week Assassination Missions:
Bobcats: Mission Accomplished plus bonus Big Macs for E-Rob.
Spurs:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 15, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that would be somethin, like 1991 all over again. Old man Kobe meets the New kid on the block, D-Rose.
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 15, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think they would still prefer the celtics
but they wouldn’t complain
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Feb 15, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
More hardcore Bulls fans
than fair weather Miami fans
"Word of advice, don’t join, Bears fans are crazy."--- D-Jackfan10
On the other hand
Everyone outside of Miami wants to see whether the Heat will fail or not.
LeBron’s “mutliple championships” prediction looms large.
Nah
Maybe if we won once and then had a Lakers vs Bulls finals….
But there’s no way this year that a Lakers vs Heat finals would not draw more than a Bulls vs Lakers….we’re trying to build ourselves back into that level of marketability. THe Heat already have 2 time reigning MVP and what 7 time reigning Deuchebag of the year in James and the Heatles vs the Lakers would be something for ratings.
But if we won and got that respect, we could quickly climb to marketable darlings….
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
All we have to do is knock off Boston, Miami, or Orlando
and we’re the trendy new up and coming team
I don't think the Lakers will make it...
…. I could see us getting there though if a decent 2 falls into our lap at the trade deadline.
by 3ptace on Feb 16, 2011 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I still think the Lakers will be there before the Spurs
I don’t think the Spurs will get there actually. I think they’ve overperformed, and Timmy D ain’t quite the Timmy D of old. Manu’s been very healthy (and for my fantasy team I hope he stays) but I don’t know if you can count on them staying as solid as they’ve been in the playoffs.
I think the fact that they are a bit slow will cause them perhaps a matchup issue if they face say the Thunder in a 7 game series in the second round, etc.
I do think while the Lakers haven’t been super dominant, they will be geared for the playoffs….esp if Bynum can start playing and not just picking up a paycheck at 70%.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
Right, the spurs are the one team in the NBA that hasn't had an injury
to a top 5 player. No team stays healthy for a full season like that.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
I saw research done in football
That showed older players don’t get injured more frequently than younger players, but they do take longer to heal.
However, there is selection bias in such a study because the only players who last long enough to be considered “old” are more durable players in the first place.
by tuluse on Feb 16, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for rock solid "selection bias" caveat
…Also saw a deftly-used reference to “Occam’s Razor” some time here last summer. This here’s one fancy sports blog!
by Brooklyn Bulls on Feb 17, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
We is smart.
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
disagree
I watch A LOT of basketball with league pass , and I’ve seen quite a few Laker games. Does this look like a championship team to you?? It doesn’t to me….look at their record against teams over .500……Maybe they turn it on in the second half of the season. The Spurs are balanced , experienced , healthy , and deep….they’ll also have home court against whomever…..BTW they’re about to lose to the Cavaliers…..bwahahaha
Honestly though...
Deng needs some bench time…
Unless the bulls have maybe decided to accelerate his decline so that they get the most out of him while still on contract?
LOL
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
This is another reason why getting a sg is so important
There’s a very good chance Kyle Korver, or Ronnie Brewer are out starting 3 going into the playoffs
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Huh...
I don’t understand what you are saying?
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
If Luol gets hurt, which looks likely given how much he is playing
we’re gonna be spread very thin with wing players. Therefore, it’s even more important to add one to the mix prior to the deadline
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
if deng gets hurt
this team isn’t getting out of the second round.
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
by Illini0509 on Feb 16, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We might not get out of the second round with him
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
but at least we stand a puncher's chance
with him
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
Your original typo is what through...
I thought you were saying something about Korver and Brewer out playing starters in the playoffs…
I don’t understand the sentiment that a player is more likely to be injured because he is playing heavy minutes…
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
One heavy minutes player is down
Gay is out 4 weeks
His injury doesn’t look due to heavy minutes, tho
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
There's been an unending number of posts on our SG problems.
And all of them have to do with how we will be vastly improved by trading some our key role players for some marginal SG.
I was watching Livingston tonight and was quite taken up with what I saw. His recovery from his horrific knee injury seems to be complete. And he obviously could spell Rose so we kill two birds with one stone, SG and backup PG.
Except that this was only one game, and he’s a Peoria boy and my judgement may not be a 100%.
So any of you who have some player evaluation skills-what are your thoughts. And then what would it take to get him?
I think Livingston would be great actually
can’t shoot, but can handle the ball and actually play PG. I don’t think Charlotte gives him up, but maybe we could give them CJ Watson and their pick back? And a goofy smile. Maybe if we give them a really funny goofy smile.
New sig coming, but it's a process.
by Prevenge on Feb 15, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of us were all for signing Livingston before the season.
But the talk was that he wanted to go somewhere he could get more minutes so he could prove he’s completely back / up his value for his next contract.
He isn’t really a natural SG, just because he’s tall doesn’t mean it’d be a good fit, and the PG here is one of the top 3 in the league, we just weren’t a good landing spot for him unfortunately.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^^^This
The Bulls reportedly had interest, but they couldn’t top Charlotte’s offer of money and playing time
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
at least between us bulls fan
Let’s stop calling D Rose Top 3 PG.
He’s in discussion for MVP, and people still calling him top 3 PG has been somewhat bothering me a bit.
We should start calling him best PG!!(I know we are biased, but bulls fans have right to call that)
by DamnBullsFan on Feb 16, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I call him a top 3 PG to avoid this exact post..
Then I don’t have to argue with someone over him being the best or third best, because it is irrelevant to my main point.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
GOT YA
And I agree with you on chicago being not a good landing spot for livingston.
by DamnBullsFan on Feb 16, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
I was pleasantly surprised by his play last night
He did play like his body was 100%. He attacked the rim. He rebounded. He was absorbing contact in the paint.
He still looks like a rail though.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 16, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
MJ and Scottie.(sigh) Good memories.
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 15, 2011 11:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lolz, your sig is nice too. i miss The Rock.
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 15, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
The People's Champ is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5webrAZSBhY
Teams without Chapu lost 1173 games during the 2009-'10 season.
by chapuforyou on Feb 16, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
I want to say something cleverly funny, but it speaks for itself
Synergy’s top 5 worst defenders (min. 300 plays): J.R. Smith, Ramon Sessions, Daniel Gibson, Marco
Belinelli, Nic Batum.
by Stacey_Is_King on Feb 15, 2011 11:34 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
Wait a minute...... what is the meaning of this? I thought Batum was the epitome of Defense???
AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Juan dela Cruz on Feb 15, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
No, silly
He’s the Holy Grail of Basketball.
Payback Week Assassination Missions:
Bobcats: Mission Accomplished plus bonus Big Macs for E-Rob.
Spurs:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 15, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
But
Batum said Rose can’t play D
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
Let's be honest...
Batum knows bad defense when he sees it. He’s very familiar with it, after all.
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
by E-Grizzle on Feb 16, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ha!
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 16, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
sessions and gibson
good times in the cle
New sig coming, but it's a process.
and there goes the J.R. Smith trade talk
not that we didn’t know he was bad
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 16, 2011 1:35 AM CST up reply actions
didnt see the game; why so many TOs for rose?
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
because...
he made a number of poor decisions
by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 15, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
this is true...
but most of his “poor” decisions came from trying to force the P n R to work… he had a few turnovers just trying to be aggressive, it happens, but I wouldn’t necessarily want him to stop.
so were they bad passes or were they more like dribbling errors?
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
Most were passes. I think like two of them were him losing the ball trying to split the double
Until Bogans is benched and Korver plays meaningful minutes with Rose, Thibs is worse than Vinny....
by Yibs on Feb 16, 2011 8:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
thanks, yibs.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
Derrick is turning the ball over...
because he’s cooked right now. The all-star break couldn’t come at a better time. Between a five-game roadie and having to tote more of the offensive load with Noah out, Rose has looked more careless with the ball since the loss at Oracle.
Defenses are trapping Derrick early in possessions and he’s only starting to understand that a jump pass is not the answer. He has to learn (and he will) to dribble out of the trap before it can get set.
Hard to criticize the best Bull since Jordan, but hell, he seems to respond well to criticism. COUGH Batum
It wasn't Bartman's fault. It was God's.
by Right_Field_Sucks on Feb 16, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lack of player movement
Rose is trying to split defenders on the high screen. Defenders are getting hands on the ball forcing him to fumble it. While working with the ball, the other 3 Bulls just sit while their defenders are already moving to prepare for penetration.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Feb 16, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Or, the few times non-Rose Bulls went in motion:
Easy scoring.
To wit: Deng’s drive, nearly from half-court, unabated to the hoop, after Rose was trapped far in the back-court and screaming for anyone to come to the pass.
I didn't watch it either but I'm going to assume half of those TO's could have been averted if his teammates ever came to the ball.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
there is...
some truth to that, and Thibs has been slow to adjust to this issue. However, given that, Rose should be looking to get rid of the ball earlier, rather than waiting for the traps to be fully executed.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 16, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah he has some issues dealing with aggressive traps but I don't expect guards to easily break down triple-teams.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
its not nearly as painful as watching gordon get trapped
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Feb 16, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
definitely
that one play where luol lucked into running into the pass and getting the and 1 was just that – luck. after rose got trapped, he threw it across the court and anything could have happened.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Or if he just stopped picking up his dribble at inopportune times
and jumping with no idea where he wanted to pass the ball. Not sure why it always has to be about his teammates being bad. You know, it’s ok to say Derrick Rose played bad once in a while. Nobody will take your fan card away.
(This isn’t really meant for Ozzie, but for everyone that gets so upset if someone is even slightly critical of Rose)
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you are always critical of Rose
would you stop acting as if someone is preventing you from doing so
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who said anyone is "preventing" me?
But if you don’t think I catch tons of shit for saying the slightest thing about Rose, you haven’t been paying attention. And it’s not just me, other guys say the same stuff and people go off on them. I’m not trying to be all “woe is me”, cause I really don’t care (after all, like Ozzie said, most of this goes down in the game threads, or the “basketball nut house”), but it just gets annoying after a while.
For example, during the game last night, I pointed out that Rose has been pretty shitty in the first half lately, and not nearly as aggressive, or smart, as he is later in games. I immediately got jumped on by people saying I was “overreacting again”, and being “stupid”. I guess I just don’t understand the problem with saying stuff like that. That’s all I was trying to say with that prior comment. You should be able to point out Rose’s flaws and bad games without having your fanhood questioned constantly
(and before another person jumps on me and says “stop acting like your the only person that’s critical of Rose”, or some nonsense like that, let me just say: I know I’m not the only person. I just felt compelled to say something on this particular topic)
I didn't want to type this sentence, the force from an Omer Asik dunk made my fingers do it.
by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree...
the reflexive defensiveness is ridiculous.
Rose is an outstanding young player, and to his great credit, he is developing rapidly. But he has obvious weaknesses, and to point them out is hardly unreasonable.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Feb 16, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
OMG STOP ACTING LIKE YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON CRITICAL OF ROSE!
OMG I H8 U! rawr
Payback Week Assassination Missions:
Bobcats: Mission Accomplished plus bonus Big Macs for E-Rob.
Spurs:
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you in regards to Rose's play at times and doesnt play as smart as he should in certain games
Rose’s flaws should be pointed out because his flaws are easily correctible especially for someone with his enourmous talent and work ethic. I don’t think were seeing the finished product here. I think and hope that Rose will be even better next year and for years to come.
Lol...Rewarmed Corpse?! thats geat!
Good recap and good game! Lu was solid, Kyle was “perfect” and Omer showed some flashes again. MVP still dominated even with a sub-par game by his standards. You could tell the whole game how this was gonna end up… It feels good to have confidence that your team is gonna win because, well, they’re just better. Too many TOs for MVP for my liking, but, this just shows how damn good he really is, 13 assists is NICE.
Are you Scottie pippen?
What did Mj say to you when you were laughing?
Would you bang his daughter?
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
by Trey23 on Feb 16, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
hell yeah I would!
imagine if Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan had a kid!
He would be the Perfect basketball player.
Scottie: "yeah, and that sweater doesn't help. you look enormous on this jumbotron"
"Everyone loves it when the guy everyone loves tells how the guy everyone hates is a big pussy." -cayal
by paddyfairview on Feb 16, 2011 1:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bulls arrow still pointing straight up.
Omar, the high flying Turkish big bird is becoming a fan favorite here on Bab lately. In his last 3 games covering 40 minutes of pt, he has pulled down 23 rebounds, scored 17 points and has wreaked havoc on opponents trying to penetrate. Can we come up with a name to recognize his sweet play? How about (Turkish Delight) the favorite confection in Istanbul?
Bogans plastered eggs on the faces of all his critics for the 3rd straight game. Not only has he averaged a whopping 9 ppg, he’s converted 9 of 13 from the field including an amazing 8 of 11 from the arc (72,7%). His new found firepower has brought his PER up to 7.82 closing in on Rose’s 22.9. This scoring spree has also inched up his season average to 3.8 ppg. All us detractors can eat his shorts, preferably before he’s worn them in a game. Also if he has been revived as a “rewarmed corpse” doesn’t that make him a zombie?
Stephen Jackson was very gracious in complenting Kyle Korver after he scored 15 points on only 5 shots. “You can’t leave him open. Everybody knows he can’t do anything else but shoot. You have to respect him as a shooter. He can’t really do anything else, but if you let him sit out there and shoot he’s going to kill you.” I’m not sure if Kyle plans to send him a belated valentine after that left handed kudo.
D Rose had one of his Default* games.
- not perfect but always meets or exceeds the necessary standards for adequate performance.
Rumor has it that Luol Deng is auditioning to replace Robert Downy Jr. for the upcoming IRONMAN 3 since the odds are great that RD will soon be joining his old buddy Charley Sheen at their favorite Hollywood Rehab hangout. Deng will also be introducing his new energy drink “The Sudanese Smoothie” which seemingly provides almost unlimited endurance to all who imbibe not matter how scrawny they may appear. The long term effects however have never been investigated and some say excessive use could lead to severe physical breakdowns.
Taj powered his way to get to the line 10 times and again helped shut down the lane with the help of his friend, Asik. His latest ascendance has jumped his PER to 13.46 showing what a great replacement he was for the Bobcats wounded warrior and former Bull, Ty(ranasauras) Thomas who was at 19.74 before his injury. Did I mention T-time made the 2 key plays in the closing seconds that led to both prior Bulls defeats? Expect incoming flak.
Think what the Bulls current record would be if he had only blown out his knee a week earlier. Doesn’t 39-14 sound super, only one torn miniscus away from being tied for the best record in the East. But when the real beast of the East returns on his fresh legs, the favorites of all the ESPN sycophants will be on the outside looking in and the MVP trophy will have a 22 year old flower child’s name engraved on it right after he raises the NBA Championship cup in front of the tearful eyes of the aging Black Mamba who is beginning to see the handwring on the wall and it spells, DERRICK ROSE..
Our other shooting(?) guard C J, failed to score in his 10 minute stint. Maybe he’ll be the next agent zero. Finally a little sugar should be tossed at 2 unsung heros, who although completely rusty from riding the pines so long, the dynamic duo of JJ and Scalabrini came off the bench and preserved the lead in the closing minute. Good Job fellas.
The Spurs can be beat. I think we should start JJ and he should instigate a Karate brawl in the first few minutes of the game with Manu and Parker. If he can get the Spanish fly(er) and the French Tickler to retalitate, Rose and the Bulls will rule.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Feb 16, 2011 1:38 AM CST reply actions 13 recs
JJ was hot off the bench
His first shot burned everything in it’s path. Too bad it was an airball…
"22 year old flower child"
what?
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
lol, we need more Tyrusmancrush game recaps
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
"His new found firepower has brought his PER up to 7.82 closing in on Rose’s 22.9."
Really gaining on Rose.
And “French Tickler” is a really appropriate nickname for Parker, somehow.
Most of us in
the game thread call Omer the Turkish Delight already. I don’t know where the Turkish big bird even came from.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
""The Sudanese Smoothie" = awesome
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
So some of use were complaining that the Bobs get the calls. Jordan effect right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpAtmGghEiw&feature=related
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 9th seeded team get so may calls on a 3 seed with a MVP candidate playing in market # 3 at home.
Is it only a pipe dream?
Do you think Riensdorf could talk MJ into coming back to play the 2 guard to help raise that 7th banner for old times sake? Granted, he’s 47 but I think most would agree he would be a giant leap over what we have now.
Sell the team with the dead cat bounce and grab the Bulls by the Horns again. All we ask is 20 minutes a game to get us over the top. It would probably take him at least a week to get into basketball shape so pulling this off right before the all star game would be a perfect time to get the ball rolling. Who knows, maybe even Scottie can give Luol a 10 minute breather.
Don’t try to tell me they have someone better coming off the bench now. I know, you can’t.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
Not till the 17th
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
MJ is 48 years old. He's done guys. If I'm feeling nastalgic I pop in a DVD from the dynasty years...
I don’t wish for him to play 20 minutes a game.
lol @ Ron Artest
calling Charlotte Bobcats center Nazr Mohammed(notes) “37 or 36” years old, when he’s actually 33 Or pointing out that Bobcats big Kwame Brown(notes) "never hit a jumper when he was with the Lakers
The video is also hilarious
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 16, 2011 5:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think its interesting...
Scottie Pippen earned more money playing basketball than Michael Jordan, yet MJ owns a basketball team, while Pip still shills for his old one…
Selling sneakers really pays off…
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 16, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention hot dogs, underwear, making movies, etc.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
yep, we are about a guy that can make a 1 game comeback at 50
and add to $100M to his bank account
it’s crazy
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Did he really?
Because he got paid CRAP for a long time, he signed a long term deal right before the CBA blew the salary cap outta the water
Yep
Pippen +/- $109M
Jordan +/- $90M
Again, amazing what a difference off the court income can have on the individual’s wealth…
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
by Dionysus2.0 on Feb 16, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus Jordan made his money earlier
Crazy the effect compound interest can have.
yea poor investment
He ended up suing his financial advisor and won the case. But yea he like bought a plane that ended up not being able to fly, which he ended up winning that case in court too i think and a whole lotta other crap, he didn’t necessarily blow it all like Eddy Curry per se. But the story is ironic as he tried really hard to invest in things so he would have money long term but it was those things that eventually brought his demise (financially)
or so he told his wife
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
If Bogans keeps playing this well,
I would rather find a better back-up point guard than another back-up 2-guard. C.J. Watson would be getting Bogans-type hate if he started the first and third quarter.
i think he is also getting better (important since this is a new role for him)
and he fits in well with the “defense and creating TOs” principle on which the second unit is based. not that i have a problem with upgrading anyone, but i still think it makes more sense for the the playoffs if gar focuses on getting the starters as good as they can be.
"JJ has never made that floater. He’s probably never even practiced it, he just decided to take a floater, which is why he’s James Johnson."
-JocktrapNoah
Well, they shouldn't be
CJ’s defense has been stellar. Plus he’s shown the ability to score the ball if needed (although he’s been very inconsistent). This seems like a classic case of “The grass is greener”. Our scond team defense has been spectacular, CJ’s been a big part of it. Noe need to mess with things.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Watson's stats are horrible.
Now, I know that stats don’t always measure team defense very well, but how much of that bench defense is due to Watson and how much is due to Asik and Gibson? It seems to me that Asik and Gibson provide more defense than Watson.
Of course, there’s always the fact that the team is winning, but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t improve. Are you saying you don’t want a shooting guard either?
It's not fair to look at Watson's stats, he barely plays
Plus, his defense has been his best quality, something that doesn’t show up. I guess I just don’t see how a new backup point drastically effects the team. If we bring in a guy that’s a little better on offense, are we gonna start bitching about his d?
Also, will any player that is much better than CJ, be willing to come in here and play such a small role? Livingston already wanted nothing to do with it. Being Derrick Rose’s backup is not exactly coveted. Especially given how Thibs basically refuses to give him any extra time at the 2. They should focus on finding a tarting 2 right now, that’s much more important imo.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Watson plays 13 minutes per game.
Bogans plays 18 minutes per game. We could use upgrades in both positions, but lately Bogans has played better than Watson.
If the Bulls could get a genuine starting shooting guard, someone combining the offense of Korver and the defense of Brewer, I agree that would be wonderful, but they have nothing they are willing to trade for such a player. I don’t see how they are going to get anyone better than Brewer or Korver, who are already on the team.
On the other hand, I think they might be able to get someone who could do better than Watson.
Bogan's only job is to play defense and chuck 3s.
If that were CJ’s only job he would excel.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we need someone
who can do the job of backing up Rose. And unlike a starting shooting guard, we might actually be able to find a quality back-up point guard. Heck, we might find someone better than C.J. in the D-League.
Well I disagree
I see no evidence that CJ is doing a bad job. And guys in the D-League are in the D-League for a reason.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You haven't looked at his stats, then.
.363 FG%, .412 eFG%, .450 TS%. Per 36 minutes he is dishing only 4.9 assists, giving up 2.5 tunovers, pulling in only 3.6 rebounds, and scoring only 12.8 points. He is a horrible point guard. He can’t dish, rebound, or score. He can turn the ball over and miss shots.
by Tim S. on Feb 16, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And you have not been paying close enough attention
to the games…he fails the eye test too. He dribbles around too much and takes very bad shots outside of the flow of the offense.
I will give him the effort that he puts forth on defense.
Until we get a tagline, yfbb=your friendly Bogans blogger.
I agree he takes dumb shots
But on the other hand he usually plays with offensive crap on the court (brewer, taj, asik) so he kind of is the go to guy and is hard to get assists with those guys.
He’s playing very good D and when he play with those same guys the Bulls are a tough team to score on.
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by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
His defense has been good, but don't give him too much credit on that end
He usually plays with Taj and Asik behind him, which gives him a lot of leeway.
And it’s certainly fair to look at the stats and say that when he shoots the ball, it doesn’t go in too often and that when he’s on the floor, the offense generally is extremely unproductive. Upgrading at SG is obviously the first priority, moving forward, but finding a more capable backup PG would also go a long ways towards improving our team.
Pat Riley is the devil.
"And it’s certainly fair to look at the stats and say that when he shoots the ball, it doesn’t go in too often"
He’s shooting 40.3% on threes, which is fairly often, as far as that shot is concerned.
Yes he's been hot with the 3ball lately
But that only makes his overall TS% of .450 even more pathetic.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yea, the three is pretty much all he is hitting.
Just wanted to point out that it is one shot that has gone in pretty often.
Don't forget his horrible assist-to-turnover ratio.
What good is a score-first point guard who can’t score?
by Tim S. on Feb 16, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree P14
CJ defense on other PGs is very, very good. What drives me mad is that they shutdown on D and then make hush-dumb plays on offense
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I'm amazed at the passion that
you display when defending and touting CJ Watson as compared to the criticism you give Rose. I know is on a different level and we should expect more, but you really set the bar low for CJ.
Stellar defense? Really? Pretty stellar against the other team’s backup PG I guess. CJ is a tweener of a guard that can’t score consistently enough to be consider an actual scoring option and not enough a playmaker to be considered a true backup PG for Rose. At his best he’s been decent and that’s when he’s actually hitting a few shots and not turning the ball over.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
My defense of CJ has less to do with me actually liking CJ
and more to do with not valuing that particular role on this team. You can’t have perfect players at every position, and if our biggest weakness is the backup for our best player, we’re doing pretty good.
The thing I like about CJ, is that he fits with the identity of the team, and the players he plays with. He plays good defense. You can say he does it against the other team’s backups, but I don’t see why that matters, since he’s mostly playing against backups. All that tells me is that he’s in the right role.
I also like the fact that he’s shown the ability to score when he is needed. Imo, his mediocre play on offense is mostly related to Thibs trying to make him more of a prototypical pass first pg. And I think he’s made huge leaps with that since the beginning of the year. Other than that, I guess I just like the guy. I think we have yet to see him at his best.
(One more thing, don’t discount the fact that CJ is willing to play such a diminished role. A lot of guys that you are pining for, would not be happy playing as little as he has.)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I really don't see trading CJ for a better reserve PG adding that much to the team
not the priority at all
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, I get it, everyone wants a starting 2 guard.
But the Bulls have nothing they want to give in return. A better back up for Rose, and any back up at all for Deng, is more realistic.
I don't see why you don't think Korver is a good backup 3
Because he is. Thibodeau just needs to play him more at the 3 (by playing Brewer more at the 2) and Deng less.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yes.. of course.
If we started Asik over Noah or Johnson over Deng, Thibs would be getting hate for that too.
Obviously if you started the second best player at the position people would get pissed off.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Has the NBA ever thought about a Legends League?
Seeing Jordan and Pippen together on the sidelines at the UC gets me pumped.
I think these guys can still play, but they just can’t take the grind of the NBA schedule. But if it’s only 25 games? Maybe.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Why not plug them into the Cavs?
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Why not blow up the WNBA altogether?
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
The question is, next what?
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Bogans' improved shot
He’d become lately a special project of Thibodeau’s top lieutenant, Ron Adams, who functions as something of a shot doctor as well. Bogans had kind of a herky jerky follow through, what they sometimes call a "mosquito grabber," a player who doesn’t hold his follow through, like a golfer who doesn’t finish high. Bogans also was just a bit loose with his shot. "Just tightening a few things up," said Adams. "Nothing major. Things you could see."
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2011 10:33 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Keith Bogans is here to stay. We can stop the 2 guard search now
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If he keeps hitting 2-3 threes a game, then good.
I’ll glady live with that than giving up Taj or Omer. JJ can go I guess, but I think he could develop well with playing time.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
depends on if you believe keeping Bogans, Taj and Asik
brings you closer to winning. I’m on the fence – I don’t believe Bogans will continue shooting that way.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think keeping at least Taj and Asik does.
However, I don’t think Courtney Lee, Parker or Jax (is he even in play anymore?) does. Mayo might do it, but I’m having my doubts.
Bogans isn’t gonna shoot 70% from 3 for the rest of the year, no. But maybe he gets to 38%. That’s good enough.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
its not so much just his shooting
but it would be nice to have a complete sg, something that brewer nor korver arent as well. Even if brewer continues to shoot at this rate, it would be nice to have a 2 guard who can handle the ball as well, attack the rim if plays break down ontop of shooting 3s, and yes i still dont like bogans defense (his lateral quickness still seems bad to me, sucks at getting around screens)
To me, bogans recent surge of good play makes it a perfect time to trade him….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Feb 16, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Those are all great points.
I just think that the only one who could solve these problems is J.R. Smith (maybe not the defense, but who knows?) but the org doesn’t seem to like his character. Which is utter bullshit.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
He tried to choke a guy in practice this summer
He filled KMart’s all-leather interior car with buttered popcorn last April Fools.
He’s not a defensive player and he has a reputation of not listening to his coach.
I don’t like his character either.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
its not just jr smith
jr smith just happens to be the best (offensive skillset wise) sg out there right now, but lee could work, hell daequan cook could work, and rudy fernandez couldve worked…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Rudy could have worked
if he wasn’t so much of a bitch.
Rose: Who in the blue hell are you?
Rondo: Well
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE!
I'm going to start calling him "Borgans."
Resistance is futile.
by arjoseph on Feb 16, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
i hope this sticks
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by paddyfairview on Feb 16, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
We are the Borgans.
Lower your shots and surrender your points. We will add your team-defense and three-point distinctiveness to our own. Your game will adapt to service us.
by jpx7 on Feb 16, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Meh, I'll continue to think it's just a hot streak
He was so awful earlier in the season, he was destined for an uptick. Just like how Derrick didn’t turn into Ray Allen in one offseason. It’s all about sample size. We still need a shooting guard just as bad as we did two months ago. Although the situation isn’t quite as dire. W no longer “need” a guy like Anthony Parker if we can’t get a bigger fish. Which is something I thought not too long ago
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
oh, I do too
Bulls still need an upgrade at the position. I’m not even that big a fan of his defense (though Korver’s cement shoes gives me the willies too)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 16, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think I'm the only person on the planet that doesn't think Korver is that bad on defense
Maybe my expectations were so low that it wasn’t hard for him to impress me. But, whatever the reason, I think he’s been pretty good
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's an okay team defender
but he is at the mercy of the offensive player if that guy can put it on the floor.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 16, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
but that’s pretty much the case with any defender. Even the great Luol Deng (yes, that’s a bit of sarcasm). If Lebron, or Rudy Gay, or Gerald Wallace (just to name a few SF) want to get by their man, most of the time, they’re gonna do it.
In the NBA, the offensive player has the advantage. Team defense is the way you stop this people. And, as you just said, Kyle is a good team defender. Some people like to act as though a team is gonna run an iso on Korver every time down the floor when he’s out there. For many reasons, that just isn’t the case. He’s fine, Thibs just needs to use him more
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Dont mind Korver not starting but Korver should be playing more in certain games
especially in a game situation where its a high scoring game and the Bulls defense is just not there such as losses to GS and Portland, IMO.
by MCREW on Feb 16, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Let me clarify
I don’t want Korver to start. On a really good team, Kyle would be playing the role he is now. The thing is, I REALLY don’t want Bogans to play. So I wouldn’t be opposed to Kyle starting until we have that situation figured out.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
the big difference is that Luol adds to the team defense
he will run to any hole on D, double and comeback, he is everyfuckingwhere. Korver is the opposite. He plays his guy but with the team rotate twice you’ll find him on his knees under the basket trying to figure out where that shot came from.
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by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think with Korver it isn't necessarily a matter of effort.
Seems like he really tries hard on the defensive end, but effort doesn’t always make up for lack of athleticism and speed. That said I don’t think he is as terrible as the Bernstein’s of the world want to think he is.
by bleigh82 on Feb 16, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Any guard with a semblance of skill in isolation scoring destroys Korver. He has no lateral movement and makes it worse by just fouling everyone.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 16, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ok, but how often do they iso Korver like that?
No team is gonna kill their whole offensive rhythm by doing that consistently. And even if they did, it’s still not a guaranteed two points
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Also, didn't Lebron iso on Lu several times in the playoffs last year, and murder him?
And there are some people saying Luol is the best defensive 3 in the league. Which might still be the case, but the fact is, it’s really hard to stop a good player when they iso like that.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Feb 16, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't remember that
Sure LBJ can score a lot on Luol but Deng was annoying enough to make LeBron shoot from outside. If you take Noah’s interview you will see him talking about how they wanted to keep him out of the paint but he just kept scoring anyway. But he wasn’t exactly doing that.
Anyway I think our team plays well against isos. Rotation is too good. Korver’s problem isn’t only the isos. He usually gets lost in rotation.
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
i disagree
Korver’s problems are isos and the fact that he needs so much help it screws with the rotations for everyone else. It only comes across in certain matchups though, so I think he should be getting more minutes than he has been.
by Basketball Smurf on Feb 17, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with more minutes
we need to take more risks and while Korver sucks on D against good offensive player he can handle most average ones.
Still think he blows rotation tho
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
so no korver vs miami or boston
or wade/jesus will kill us.
other than that…who scares us at the 2 spot?
I've always been a Korver Supporter on D
He may lack athleticism, but he works as hard as anyone. The biggest mistakes he makes are overplaying opponents and committing dumb fouls. But it’s not as if he’s ever lost on D or doesn’t understand where he is supposed to be.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Feb 16, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he does get lost on D
here is an example of how it works: Bulls are on D. They pressure the ball. Everybody is rotating to fill every gap. Offense shoots the ball but pressure makes the miss. Everybody goes for the rebound and players are scattered. Offensive board. Korver has no idea where he should be now. There is the gab. Opponent scores.
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
hahahahaha...
…willies, surprisingly appropriate word. (can I be banned?)
Systematic vs Situational roster.
I did not like the fact Thibodeau left Rose on the bench for 6 minutes while the Bobcats surged back to tie it. This systematic roster change is for the birds. He needs to recognize that roster changes are situational the whole game, not just the closing minutes of the 4th quarter.
As good as Bogans has been shooting, I would prefer to see Brewer who is a bigger risk-taker on defense. Brewer’s defensive numbers are much better than Bogans. Furthermore I think the Bulls are strong enough defensive team that they could start Korver. It certainly would help prevent a slow start.
If you notice Bogans shots, he’s been wide open, because opposing teams don’t see him as a threat, They’d rather crowd the lane to hack down Rose.
But I do like how he left Rose on the bench
while the backups extended the lead in the fourth.
by JockstrapNoah on Feb 16, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
It was okay because...
Bogans wasn’t on the floor. They had Brewer and Korver. What Thibodeau fails to see is that sometimes offense can be good defense. Bogans defense isn’t all that stellar, no better than amount of offense we can have by starting Korver and getting an early lead. It also prevents teams from hawking Rose early and often in first half.
Yeah.. this is a big pet peeve of mine.
Probably more so than even his starting of Bogans. I just don’t understand what he’s doing sometimes there.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, thibs won that one easy
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Bogans isn't going anywhere
I’ve come to that conclusion, so if we make any trades, wouldn’t it be useful to get a backup SF?
Go out and get someone that Thibs can trust, so Deng can get a breather.
by Ceasaleo on Feb 16, 2011 1:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
If all the Bulls are willing to trade is draft picks or
players who have no value, then I agree we are better served looking for better back-ups and role players rather than a genuine starting shooting guard. I think we have good back-ups at center, power forward, and shooting guard (even though we don’t have a genuine starting shooting guard, we have two, maybe even three good back-ups). We lack good back-ups at small forward and point guard, and I agree that’s what the Bulls should try to get.
oh and since i don't believe this has been mentioned
i just wanted to say the caption for the picture is gold. every time i see it i still laugh.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Feb 16, 2011 2:40 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
what on earth does that mean?
oh god you’re not a Lil B fan are you…
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Feb 16, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Another in defense of lil b
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Feb 16, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sending you both a bill
for my bandwidth, my time, and my therapy after looking up LIl B.
In the beggining I was pissed too
but then I found out he made a music called “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHPumshGgA" >Like a Martian" which I assumed he dedicated to Rajon Rondo.
It frightens me how much I enjoy even the 0.1% chance of an MJ comeback - Bill Simmons
by JustAnotherFan on Feb 17, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
23rd.
toronto was the last place he played, and will be the first place he plays too. :)
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST

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