Rip Hamilton waived, 'will most likely join Bulls'
by Alex Sonty on Dec 9, 2011 5:03 PM CST
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PrintRichard Hamilton will be waived by the Pistons, but not amnestied, so the Pistons are gonna be on the hook for a lot of money. A couple of pretty credible journalists seem pretty sure he's going to become a Bull:
@vgoodwill
Vincent Goodwill Rip will most likely join the Bulls... #Pistons
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A. Sherrod Blakely#Celtics would love a shot at landing recently waived Rip Hamilton. However, front-office exec says he will most likely join the #Bulls.
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Hamilton clearly had his worst season last year, but it was still pretty good. There was no secret that he was disgruntled (to say the least) with the coach and management. Before last trade deadline, the Bulls were rumored to have explored the option of acquiring him, but Detroit didn't buy him out. Now they have, so Rip has to be included in a list of potential signees by the Bulls this offseason.
Hamilton's always been a good-enough defender, greatly helped by his 6'6"-6'7" frame at the shooting guard position. Once regarded as having one of the best mid-range jumpshots in the game, his FG% dropped to .410 at 16-to-23 feet from the basket after .430 and .420 the prior two seasons. His FG% at 10-to-15 feet has plummeted since shooting at .470 during the 2007-08 season to .410, .415, and an awful .353 the next three seasons.
That said, other than the .297 mark from 2009-10, his 3P% hasn't been lower than .368 over the last four seasons and over 70% of his FGs have been assisted over the last three seasons -- 78.1% a year ago. So not too much dribbling as he gets older and will create off the ball -- a skill overlooked in the great SG search, forgetting that the #1 scorer on the Bulls is the point guard.
Sadly, the shooting efficiency just hasn't been there for Rip. His career TS% is a .527 you can live with (I guess) and not on a severe downfall, as his eFG% last season (.470) is exactly that of his career. the difference is that he wouldn't be asked to be more than a fourth -- periodically third -- option for the Bulls. Whether or not this would simply improve his shot selection is the upside; the downside is that the limited touches would turn him into a whiny ballstopper, trying to force a bucket with every touch.
The Bulls have $5 million to throw at him. If Jason Richardson won't take it, the Bulls can certainly do worse than gamble on Rip.
Other notes:
- Keith Bogans was at the first day of camp. The Bulls haven't exercised their team option on him yet, though he is under contract through Dec. 19, but pulled from the floor in the middle of practice "With the Bulls exploring other shooting guard options, management is being careful and preventing Bogans from sustaining an injury. [...] Bogans' nonguaranteed contract would be a chip in a larger trade to upgrade the shooting guard position," K.C Johnson reported. Maybe it shouldn't be assumed that Bogans will be a Bull this season.
- Brian Scalabrine, John Lucas III, and Luther Head filled out the training camp roster on top of the usual suspects.
- Vince Carter is reportedly "close" to a multi-year deal with the Mavericks.
Stats via Hoopdata.com.
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24 points! Against the Raptors! I think the real question is how DRose won the MVP against this type of competition.
Just kidding. His shot does look pretty sweet.
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 9, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
You see who was setting him up for most of those shots?
T. Mac.
His drive past Demar was nice though
could be possibly pick up rip AND do a S&T for crawford? or is that just a ridiculous assumption
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, but he'd prob only do it if he was assured playing time
Something he wouldn’t get if we brought in Jamal
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
sure he would.
he’d probably get 20-25 mins a game and crawford would run the second unit while maybe taking some end-of-game minutes from rip if we needed scoring/playmaking
by grabmesomeBOOZ on Dec 9, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know and do not want to look it up
but damn, how nice would that be?
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Question about Rip...
Doesn’t he basically need a bunch of screens to get open…kind of link Luol? How will that work when they are both on the floor together.
Also, he can’t handle the ball for shit right? How does that help DRose?
yeah, i don't reallt see the fit either, but whatever
At least Bogans will be gone, and it’s not a crippling financial move. Bulls obviously weren’t gonna spend money to actually bring in a guy they liked more anyway
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
No necessarily
he is good at moving just a bit to become available for a drive and kick. he drains those open looks, too.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
he's not perfect, same non-playmaking issues as Richardson and slightly worse
but he can be had for cheap.
Which isn’t the best reason, but at worse he adds to depth if Bulls want to make deal later.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
still better than Bogans
Headbands not allowed
Korver and Deng coexisted well
You can run multiple guys off screens during the course of a single possession.
Pat Riley is the devil.
hell, have one screen the other
somebody will be open, who cares which?
so having rip doesnt really excuse bogans being pulled
for any reason, so is it wishful thinking that there is also a trade coming as well…thats kinda awesome…rip and crawford would seriously be incredible, even if we lose korver or brewer
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i think that would be enough to match the heat or even if the lakers somehow getting dwight howard
call me crazy but with crawford as the 6th man or rip, this team will bea force.
It does make me think a trade is a real possibility
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
no, the excuse for Bogans being pulled is that if he gets hurt it complicates things
if they wanted to trade him later.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
get hurt
on the first day of training camp. Couldnt you say that about anyone, shouldnt they pull everyone, guys like asik, brewer, all have more of an injury history, so even that wouldnt count for a vaild excuse….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Obviously the mistaken enthusiasm
was based on the presumption that the Bulls would have been organized enough to not have him start practice if it was just that they didn’t want him to get hurt.
from Aggrey Sam:
veteran reserve forward Brian Scalabrine is expected to be present for the first day of camp Friday and eventually be re-signed, as is backup point guard John Lucas III.
i knew we could trust reinsdorf to build a championship roster
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
not a big deal i just don't think these guys are legit NBA players
I’d rather feel the end of the roster with guys who at least deserve to put on an NBA uniform. Whatevs.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, no touching the players!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously though, John Lucas has some dirt on Thibs or someone in the organization
Not only does he not play, he has single-handedly lost us a game (which is a feat for someone that plays so little)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
thibs lost us that game by putting him in ice cold
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
what do you want from a 3rd stringer?
at least he isn’t making 3 million dollars like Duhon is on the Magic
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
i think it's funny that Lucas has a job right now because Derrick Rose had a stiff neck on a random day in 2010
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and he missed the free throws
and we still kept him employed!
Look
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
from woj
WojYahooNBA: The Bulls and Rip Hamilton have long been an inevitable pairing. Boston will reach out, too. [via Twitter]
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Someone should tell Boston about the inevitability
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
eh we can start him, im not worried about his choice
more ours
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
you know what, hamilton would be a solid option and ill bet in the trading deadline
thats when the bulls will have the chance to striek and make a stellar move.
true dat
He is a nice trade piece if we do make a move at Howard when trading Noah is an option. Though, I think Orlando would demand everyone but Rose in return…
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Why would we do that?
They’ll just lose Howard for nothing. Give them Noah and Boozer for Howard and Anderson or something.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Get RIP now, trade for upgrade later
by Option27 on Dec 9, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
that's what i keep saying
but no one listens :(
by grabmesomeBOOZ on Dec 9, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
we listen
we just arent sure adding a whack job right before the playoffs is Einstein-level thinking
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
a whack job yes
but thibs would grind him down. let’s remember the prima donna jr played with in melo for years with the nugs
by grabmesomeBOOZ on Dec 9, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
george karl is a near-legendary coach, its not like JR flipped out on some rookie coach
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's also not thibs
and the team’s players have a lot to do with that persona. i think the nugs did fairly well when melo left and jr wasn’t making the wrong kind of headlines.
by grabmesomeBOOZ on Dec 9, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
exactly, this would be a smart move...
its no do or die for the bulls right now. yes, they need a SG, but it doesnt have to be a long term signing, jsut good enough till there is a chance to make a SENSIBLE LONG TERM move like…JR Smith or hell, thinking even BIGGER like Dwight Howard.
Slow down guys...
I think that RIP is the missing piece. We beat the Heat with RIP.
Anyways, Thibs won’t tweak his rotations in the middle of the year. What makes you think that he would work a new player into the system in March?
Aren’t you ever satisfied?
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 9, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Nope
unless the Bulls win every year, I am not.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
You're really going to go to war with taht one? Richard Hamilton is the one guy we need
to win the championship? Jesus.
by Dogfishhead on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
As a VC fan, it blows my mind how much you people (and people in general) blow up J-Poor, Rip and other SGs available
You can’t compare these guys to VC when he plays at his maximum. The thing with Vince is you don’t know what to expect.
He was playing great with Orlando before the trade to Phoenix so I still have my belief in his abilities. But if you ask me, he’s classes above these guys. There’s a reason he has 20000+ points in his career and there’s a reason he is a former superstar.
Yes there's a reason he is a former superstar
And that is that he used to be a dynamic athlete with a ton of creative scoring moves.
The key words in those two sentences are “former” and “used to”.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I know, and I knew as soon as I wrote that that someone will say what you said
That’s why he won’t be getting a max contract and he won’t be a considered a franchise player if you sign him. That’s obvious. But compared to J-Poor and Rip and all these guys, Vince is classes above.
In no way is he classes above those guys.
They’re all at about the same level, which is pretty mediocre.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Believe what you want
But you’re not gonna convince anybody else until you come with a better supporting argument than “HE USED TO BE A SUPERSTAR!!”.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well the idea is that he was a superstar for a reason
His talent is still there. His creativity to score is still there. His understanding of the game is still there. His athleticism isn’t there anymore. That’s all. He wasn’t that quick to begin with to be honest with you.
The thing I dislike the most about him now is that he doesn’t have that killer confidence that he had in the past. Truth is – it’s hard to have that when you barely get the ball from Nelson every game.
you do realize
most of his talent and creativity relied on his athleticism, leaving a guy who dunked a lot unable to move fast
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His talent is still there. His creativity to score is still there. His understanding of the game is still there. His athleticism isn’t there anymore. That’s all.
You could say the same for Allen Iverson, or Brandon Roy for that matter.
Roy's actually good.
Iverson … that’s a better example I think.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
VC level of play has declined, plain and simple dude
and when i saw declined, IT REALLY HAS DECLINED. He has sustained injuries that really slowed down his quickness and explosiveness. He used to be an awesome player but hes washed up,…let it go
Not really
I mean, of course it has declined. But give him the ball and he’ll play well. He’s a half court offense player, not a fast break offense player by any means. The thing is – he needs the ball in his hands. He’s decent as a spot up shooter and also good off picks but he’s mainly an on-ball player.
The thing with Orlando (mostly with Orlando) and then Phoenix was that if he was to miss two shots they immediately went away from him.
well except for that night that he missed 11 threes lol
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The thing is – he needs the ball in his hands.
Which means taking the ball out of the hands of the best player on the team. Brilliant strategy you have there.
Lil' Jon, he always tells the truth.
He's a dog
I refuse to let the few moments when he truly shines cloud my judgment. You said it, When he plays at his maximum.
He doesn’t do it night in and night out.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
his stats says otherwise and his shot selection is piss poor
no to VC UNLESS hes out absolute final option
Definitely, and I totally agree
But I think he would play much better with a contender like the Bulls. He was playing REALLY well with Orlando all the way up before the trade happened.
That is wishful thinking
Wishful thinking doesn’t win championships
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
And let me guess
J-Poor or Rip would win you, right? Good luck with that one. I agree that Jamal Crawford could be someone you’d want provided that he would give some effort on defense
I am not saying they will; all of them have question marks
but VC has glaring red flags, police sirens, and yellow tape
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
by Brigade17 on Dec 9, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
age, knees are bad, bricked 10+ 3 pointers in one game last year, streaky, injury prone
is that enough, or would you like more?
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
lemme say that many of those could be brought up with Rip
my defense of that is he is younger and a better defender
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
No that's enough
The fact that he played on average over 73 games per season in his last 8 seasons proves he’s so injury prone. Yup. Totally made your point.
And, you know, he had one bad game. Rrrrrrrrrright. Wanna give you a link to his 48 point game against New Orleans?
In the past 5 years, starting in 2006, Vince averaged:
25.2pts 6.0rpg 4.7apg
21.3pts 6.0rpg 5.1apg
20.8pts 5.1rpg 4.7apg
16.6pts 3.9rpg 3.2apg
14pts 3.8rpg 2.0apg
His FG% has dropped as well over that span of time. He is in decline. He is old. I don’t want him.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Whatever man
Go get RIP. He’s young and restless.
Sometimes I wish VC would BE selfish like he’s being portraited in the media and average 20 ppg again. To his bad rep, he is too unselfish.
I am now unsure if you are a troll or not
if you are, well played sir.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
As a guy that followed VC's career ever since 2000
I think I know what I’m talking about quite well. If you don’t then, well, tough luck.
VC if anything, he’s too unselfish at this point in his career.
Well I guess I have to bow down to your all extensive knowledge of Vince Carter
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Yup, you have
And listen, I know the guy’s limitations. I really do. But there’s no way in hell J-Rich or Rip or anybody is “better” than him. I’d pick him over these guys and day of the week.
I am not saying he cannot do well here, but how many years does he have left?
We may trade Rip later for an upgrade. What trade value does VC have? Best case scenario he plays 3 more seasons.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
He said he wants to play 2 more (this and the next season)
I don’t know man. Whatever.
I just don't like the idea
You have every right to believe it is the way to go. I am not disputing that, just my reasoning to disagree
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Cool
I just hate how overrated J-Poor and Rip and the rest of the available SGs are over VC.
I do think Jamal Crawford is a very good piece though, possibly better than him.
no one is overrating them
when they’ve played better for cheaper for a few years now…but they are all mediocre
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yeah i mean i don't think anyone is proclaiming
any of these guys as the real solution to our problem. but we all got a guy we prefer, i guess.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
He's VC
don’t you see that
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VC figured that he can hang back and take jumpers rather than mix it up down low and get points
he traded a vicious cutting/slashing game for becoming a jump shooter because…I don’t know why. I assume because it’s easier. For all the undeniable talent, he has yet to win a ring, even when he was paired up with Dwight Howard, Tracy McGrady and Jason Kidd.
He was not a superstar, he was a hyped player that was a star and had great talent.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
he got jumpers knee
his shooting is what has kept him in the league for this long.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
I am not even looking at his reputation
I am looking at his playing style and lack of athleticism at his current age. I would have loved to have him 2 years ago but not now.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
But dude, if you average those out over all the 5 years he's still getting like 20 a game!
On Average! Over an extended period of time! That may or may not be relevant!
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
by MRubio52 on Dec 9, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is not at his age.
He will never reach those numbers again
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
My damn sarcasm button is broken.
I agree with you.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
They are both old...
and have played a ton of minutes. Give me a younger Crawford or the recently amnestied Arenas.
New signature coming...but its a process.
The reason he has 20,000pts is because he was in his 20s scoring most of them.
We need a guy we can rely on, both offensively and defensively. VC ain’t that guy.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Yeah, I just wrote something similar
I don’t see much of a difference between Vince and Rip (although they’re playing styles are obviously different)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
biggest thing imo is rip has always been a more hard nosed player, played on D-first champ team
and never was a selfish superstar. so, if he loses his athleticism he isnt sacrificing everything
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
While Vince Carter hasn't won a championship.
He has still played on some good teams in his career. We also aren’t looking for a world-beater on Defense, just someone passable who can make offense happen/complement Rose at the same time.
another brilliant bit of humor goes unappreciated
j/k it took me a minute too
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I never got on the first initial-last name abbreviated nickname bandwagon
A-rod, j-lo, etc…sounded retarded to me. Probably p diddy that put it over the edge
There is also this...
Crawford wants to land in Chicago. If the Bulls can’t trade for him, he’ll likely sign with the Pacers, Hornets, Nets or Timberwolves.
The Chicago Bulls remain very interested in Jamal Crawford. They’ve been in touch with him today and are still looking into sign-and-trade.
if jamal wants us that bad
he should take the MLE :P
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That mask is going to look strange without a headband.
by chitownsports25 on Dec 9, 2011 5:22 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
How bout he stops wearing that damn thing?
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
He broke bones in his face. That is why he wears it.
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 9, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
haha
I was listening to MM..FOOD at work yesterday. Nice!
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by Mighty Healthy on Dec 9, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
its permanant and its not for fashion
poor guy got multiple fractures over his maxilla
I knew he broke bones, but I did not think he had to wear it for the rest of his career
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
i know some of friends who suffered similar injuries as him
kinda like wearing a brace over the knee due to multiple knee injuries.
he doesn't have to
it’s for comfort…he’s on record as saying he’s simply USED to it now. Not for fashion or need….out of habit.
it actually may be both
i doubt it, but there is a significant chance of it happening
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Not clear...
RIP seems to want to play for the Bulls and just got paid. Maybe he is asking for the vets min?
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
When is protective face guard giveaway night?
I hope it lands on the night we play the Pacers and Tyler “My Neck Doesn’t Rotate” Hansbrough…. cause then….like….
stuff.
light em up
I like him even less than J-Rich and Crawford, at least those two have churned out decent seasons recently.
Last time Rip had a good shooting year was 2008.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 9, 2011 5:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
yeah, i have a hard time understanding how some people are KILLING Vince Carter, but cool with Rip
Kinda the same deal to me. In fact, I might rather have Vince
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Doesn't have attitude issues? Really?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Okay he may have some attitude issues
But compared to Vince? I’ll take a guy frustrated by a lack of playing time on a bad team over a guy known to have a terrible work ethic.
Pat Riley is the devil.
that pistons team was a nightmare. VC is whiny on GOOD teams
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Is whiny?
He never had a problem coming off the bench with Phoenix. Heck, ask his teammates if you can. And in Orlando? Attitude problems? Wtf?
I didn't know that Vince Carter marks still existed.
What a strange world we live in…
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 9, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
not saying Rip is a good player, jsut saying Vince is worse
and yes, Vince not only has stupid shot selections but also does not have the dead on shot accuracy like he used to
rip is not a good shooter like he once was either
but the reason why vince is far worse is cause the man had by far one of the best passers in the game today named Steve freekin Nash. If Vince was not playing a solid pg like Nash, then I wouldnt be saying this.
Trust me, I saw all his games with Phoenix
I could see VC getting his steps to jump on an alley-oop only to see Nash dribble around searching for a pick and roll with a big man. I was SO dissapointed in that. And it didn’t happen just once or anything. There were so many opportunities like this.
I was like “how can I, a simple guy watching this game see all this and Steve Nash who’s considered such a good passer not see that?!”. Nash is a pick and roll with a big man type of point guard. Vince didn’t force too much shooting with Phoenix and really moved the ball around.
By the way, I’d take Kidd over Nash any time as a pure passer.
i did say nash is one of the best passing pgs i nthe game, never said he was the best
I would pick Paul, Kidd, and then Williams over Nash
i love Rose overall as a player dude, but i hate to say this
the man still has some ways to go on his passing game. Once he masters the screen play with Boozer, then Ill say hes better Williams and Nash
ohhh i thought you were ranking pg's as players
rather than passers
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Kidd had this genius thing with letting Vince run the half court offense with the Nets
He really kept the ball in his hands and Kidd only conducted the fast breaks. That was really great for VC.
In Phoenix Nash dribbles a ton, there’s no comparison between the mentality of the two PGs.
you are borderline trolling at this point
Are you a VC fan or a Bulls’ fan?
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
In that case, I do know why I spent the effort trying to break through to you
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Rip has significantly worse recent eFG% and TS%
So apparently VC is better at hitting bad shots than Rip is at hitting good shots
they are about the same for me actually
its just that rip is most likely willing to sign for pennies on the dollar, where vc and j-rich might want to get real market value for them (which seems like more than the mle now). Rip has incentive to take less, hes getting paid regardless
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
you think VC will be above the MLE?
i have no idea what the market will be for him but some people were talkimg the vet minimum
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
He already gets the 4 mil from the Suns
So veteran’s minimum sounds about right.
his buyout doesnt determine his market value
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
No, it doesn't
But he can be more inclined to take less (while still making ~MLE level in reality) to play for a contender
thats true
suddenly i wish all these guys had buyouts lol
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Really.. Just because it doesn't look stupid doesn't mean it isn't...
91% of his shots are jump shots and 21% of his total shots 3s while VC is at 80% jumpshots and 35% of his total shots are 3s…. Neither of their TS% are anything to brag about but VC has been better for his career and in recent memory.
This is my feeling, too
I’m not so sure Rip is a good fit.
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 5:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
As mentioned above, the numbers drop was due to his limited minutes
His attitude was attributed to how much he hated the situation he was in.
This guy played for Carlisle and Brown, two great defensive minded coaches.
I think he plays well when he’s coached by someone he respects. How could he not respect Thibs. And let’s face it, if he really wants to model this team after the Celtics, he fits right into that Ray Allen mold.
by Option27 on Dec 9, 2011 5:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I care who the Bulls get, as long as they don't
give up too much in a sign and trade or commit to too many years. They still have an assortment of less-than-ideal options, but if they don’t give away too much or commit to too many years, then it is a low risk, low cost gamble.
If J-Rich was going to sign with the Bulls for the mid level
wouldn’t he have already signed?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 5:37 PM CST reply actions
have the bulls made the offer
is the question
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
do the bulls have the balls
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Not necessarily
He was never gonna be a guy that signed for bug money on the first day. he could be waiting to see what teams strike out on their first and second options, because they’ll be candidates to overpay him
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
with the market (esp the nets now with nene, imo) i cant see him taking 5 mil
marcus thornton got 8. i mean, come on
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling he signs with NJ for more money
and will probably be followed by Nene.
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 5:41 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If so I missed it, obviously
I thought they offered, but didn’t know if he accepted yet.
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 6:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
McGrawDHBulls
How about Hamilton and Billups to Bulls?
Bulls fan since 1986.
by Dominicanbull on Dec 9, 2011 6:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
what the is going on? Billups?
and how did Bulls/Pacers/Timberwolves become Bulls/Heat/Hornets in the Jamal Crawford race?
i don’t know what to believe anymore
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
We have weird beat reporters
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and none of them are credible,
you are right JBJ, these fuckers suck
which sounds like a good album title.
/called it
light em up
by docks on Dec 9, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How about?
so now the Bulls would be—
Jazz East and Detroit Remix sprinkled with some Rose Petals??
by bdasilva7785 on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
dude i HATED those pistons teams
but ill take their castoffs now…..NBA fans are whores
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
is it too weird that I want Rasheed too?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of Chauncey far more than Rip or pretty much any other option out there
He’s a good 3pt shooter, plays well with the ball out of his hands, and his combination of strength and smarts should help him keep up with SGs on the defensive end..
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
I'm on the Jamal Crawford bandwagon. He's basically exactly the kind of player the Bulls need to take some of
the pressure off of Rose. The defense isn’t great, but I trust Thibs to get him to competent.
Rip would be nice for depth purposes, but Crawford should be the goal.
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by fundamentallysound on Dec 9, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
If we got them both, I'd assume Rip would start
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Sign Rip, S/T Brewer + Watson for Crawford
Leaves us with this rotation/minutes distribution
PG Rose(38) / Crawford(10)
SG Rip (20) / Crawford(20) / Korver(8)
SF Deng(38) / Korver(10)
PF Boozer(32) / Taj(16)
C Noah(34) / Asik(14)
I’m sold on that.
Pat Riley is the devil.
in that scenario, i'd rather trade Korver
I don’t like Rip being our 2nd best wing defender
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd also rather keep Brewer than Korver
But the rumor going around is Brewer for Crawford, and if I’m the Hawks, I don’t really have any interest in Korver. We could keep Bogans around if that makes you feel better (I know it probably doesn’t).
Pat Riley is the devil.
Exactly.
He’s easily one of the top 5 ball handlers in the NBA… Rip and Richardson can’t really create their own shots. That’s why i’m all in for Jamal Crawford or Nick Young or even Gary Forbes.
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by Mighty Healthy on Dec 9, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the idea has really grown on me
Plus, with Brewer in the fold, that’s a nice offensive/defensive combo. Make it happen Gar! (it won’t)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Billups and Hamilton reunion?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Dec 9, 2011 6:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
@jwquick Breaking: Blazers determine center Greg Oden has suffered setback, and restructure his one-year deal for a lesser amount.
just end his fucking misery
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 6:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
<blockquote@Oregonian
Trail Blazer Greg Oden suffers medical setback; this season’s status in question. More soon at oregonlive.com/blazers
take him on a trip to the glue factory
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
@Oregonian
Trail Blazer Greg Oden suffers medical setback; this season’s status in question. More soon at oregonlive.com/blazers
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
take him out back and end his misery
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
so does this officially make oden over durant worse than passing on MJ? we're getting there at least
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
MJ- 6 championships
"Bud Light."
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by Brigade17 on Dec 9, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
yea but
bowie actually could produce really well for a number of years before fading into obscurity, he could walk away and say, it might have been short, but i had a solid nba career. Oden….hes not a has been, hes a never was…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
MJ won when he had pip and phil.
look, hes my favorite athlete, but he was the epitome of a selfish scorer until Phil learned him the value of teamwork. meanwhile, Oden may never play a single full season while durant looks to be in MVP talks for the next decade.
obviously youd rather have jordan but oden turned out to be a worse pick than bowie
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
bull fuckin shit
his team in the 80s was absolte crap. Besides Oakley, yes, OAKLEY, they had no one but a bunch of scrubs. They asked him to carry the team and he did for a looooongggggggggggg time. I commend MJ for the patience he displayed and MJ is far from being selfish.
that doesnt even contradict what i said
he was a selfish scorer on a bad team, which is understandable, sure, but doesnt change anything, and then he was lucky enough to get a great running mate and a brilliant coaxh that took advantage of his GOAT skills.
so, he carried a bad team, then won with a good team. im just saying, the great moments might be all MJ’s but it was a great situation that led to 2 threepeats
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
The fact remains: 6 championships
it is too early to telly with Oden/Durant. Durant has to win a championship or two for this to be a legitimate argument.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
MJ's USG% didn't drop after Phil took over but his AST% did. It's a nice story, but he kept taking his shots.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
by snley on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, cause they installed an effective offense around him
that freed him up to make more shots. he was a much more effective ballhog after he learned to trust his teammates in the right situations
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Or this theory
He was pretty much the exact same player, but his teammates could occasionally help him out and open things up for him
by tuluse on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
look snley is making my point for me
which is that jordan required assistance to get to a point in his career where he was the assassin. we could argue how he did it – if HE changed his game (evidence says no) or if he just got help but my main point was, sam bowie over jordan was not as bad a pick as oden over durant because a) bowie turned out alright b) MJ had flaws c) oden might never contribute to a winning team and d) durant appears to be a perennial mvp contender
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by paddyfairview on Dec 10, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions
So Durant is a flawless player?
Unless he is, I don’t see how MJ having some perceived flaws is relevant at all.
Personally, I don’t think it’s as bad of a draft pick because it would have been nearly impossible to know about Oden’s health issues ahead of time, while it should have been theoretically possible to tell that Bowie wasn’t very good.
But still, Bowie could have a good player and it will would have been an awful decision to pass on the GOAT.
jordan required assistance to get to a point in his career where he was the assassin.
I’m not even sure what this means.
the original question was does it make oden before durant worse than bowie before jordan
not a question of if they made the right decision given the info at hand, just if it turned out better or worse.
I don’t see how MJ having some perceived flaws is relevant at all.
His point is that for the time period in which they both played, Jordan wasn’t ridiculously better than Bowie (yet). So after the fact, which turned out better for them; Bowie for a few decent years, or Oden for just about nothing?
too bad the Heat didn't overpay for him
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i feel bad for roy
I really liked him as the SG of the blazers. Sucks for him to retire at such a young age :(
i saw "breaking"
and thought it was about the Bulls and i was all :D but then found out it was about the blazers and now im all :(
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
well to be honest “breaking” and “trail blazers” go hand in hand
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
sometimes i feel bad for Oden
but he has made about $25 million off of being great in HS and 1 year at Ohio St. Hopefully he has taken care of his money.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Blogabull: RIP 2012
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by Ugh It Live! on Dec 9, 2011 6:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
im wondering what's going on with Richardson
i still havn’t heard him linked to anybody other than the Bulls…but also havnt heard the Bulls have even bothered to make an offer, or if Richardson would sign for the MLE.
I wonder what it would take for Kevin Martin or Gary Forbes?
If we miss out on Jamal Crawford.
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It’s already official?
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by Mighty Healthy on Dec 9, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
Rip Not Likely to Come to Chicago
Why didn’t the Pistons orchestrate a sign-and-trade with the Bulls? Why would they just give him up for nothing? This tells me that Rip does not really want to come to Chicago. Where do you get your information?
a sign and trade? he was on the team.
let the executions begin, yfbb
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
sign and trade?
rip was under contract, what sign and trade are you possibly thinking of
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
The Bulls would never take on that contract.
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 9, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
good input
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
"Where do you get your information?"
Do you see those huge pictures of tweets in the post?
Pat Riley is the devil.
not much new here, but eh. it's slow right now. From Pippen Ain't Easy:
expect the Bulls to fly under the radar and pick up a guy who either got lukewarm attention or no attention in the market. But if that happens don’t lose the faith. Gar Forman has a winning track record, but the sequel is always the hardest thing to do right.
http://pippenainteasy.com/2011/12/09/bulls-silent-as-free-agency-begins/
Die Hard 2
The Keith Bogans Saga
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The world's largest troll returns
SpearsNBAYahoo: Pacers re-sign big man Jeff Foster with 1-year deal, source tells @YahooSports. [via Twitter]
light em up
by docks on Dec 9, 2011 6:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A troll
so that’s what he is? he looked like he had one extra chromosome.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
awwwwww
Cool can’t wait to see that ugly face look at the refs like “What did I do”
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Jeff Foster has been a Pacer his entire career
Which is kind of amazing
that's like being a virgin your whole life right?
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that he has been a Pacer or that he had a career?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That a random mediocre (at best) player would stay on one team for a decade
by tuluse on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
kinda makes sense
not good enough for another team to try to pry him away, not paid enough to make him worth getting rid of for cap relief.
lmatasar Larry M
This doesn’t sound good. RT @blazersedge: Blazers F LaMarcus Aldridge not in camp Friday due to need for more medical testing.
THIS
FUCKING
TEAM
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 7:09 PM CST reply actions
man its like the team doctor is Zoidberg
WTF are they doing over there on that medical table.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
I jus started watching futurama when I read that commenti
Irony
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 7:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think the word you're looking for is coincidence
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
the opposite of what they should be doing
apparently
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
oh man, wtf is going on.
this offseason has been fuckin crazy
I warned those Blazers Edge fuckers not to mess around
Oh well, I guess someone should’ve told them I was an evil wizard in my spare time
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Something in the Portland Water.
"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan
by AerialAssault on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Per Marc Stein
The Mavs are close to signing Vince Carter
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 7:22 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources tell ESPN that Mavs closing in on signing of Vince Carter and could have deal to reunite VC w/Jason Kidd done as early as Saturday
by cowraiser on Dec 9, 2011 7:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
have fun with that
I rather no have VC, just sign Rip and trying S and T for Crawford. Then, we are set and ready to whoop ass!
okay so VC is off the list
Which is GOOD!
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by BULLysh on Dec 9, 2011 7:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
hey, mavs fans! how'd you like to trade Tyson Chandler, Caron Butler and JJ Barea for Vince Carter?
good thing I still have my superstar under contract
-Mark Cuban
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
man, the new CBA really screwed him over
i know he would love to spend the money but sucks the CBA is just restricting him to the point of basically being stagnant for the whole offseason
One interesting, and possibly good thing for the Bulls, is that we haven't heard Richardsons name AT ALL
Not just for the Bulls, but nowhere. Pretty much the same with Crawford (although he’s had his name rumored a couple times)
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wait and see approach by the J Rich I believe
hes waiting for the offers to come in and then hell see whats the best route for him. I see him signing with the fuckin pacers if they offer him a contract more than MLE
yeah i've been thinking about that too
and as i said in one of the threads yesterday, 99% of the people on twitter are tweeting at him to come to the bulls. literally nothing else is mentioned except the occasional orlando or new york tweet. jamal seems to garner more varied interest but not that much.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Gar:
Keith Bogans is under contract with the Bulls & we have a Dec.19 option on that contract. At this time, we are exploring several options in finalizing our roster. We have always respected Keith’s professionalism and we hope to have more clarity on this situation soon.
by cowraiser on Dec 9, 2011 7:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
“We are exploring several options”
So you’re not doing anything pretty much?
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Underground is best place to find gems
It’s a big plus imo that Bulls are low key on letting everyone in on their plans and moves at the moment. Sounds fairly clear they are trying for S&T with Crawford as #1 try for SG…maybe Boguns is in that deal…and the masked deetroiter as fall back… Gar deserves a little bit of slack here, while they wheel and deal…
arron afflalo
i feel like the kid being picked last on the playground lol…. ima make somebody regret they did that lol
Grab it, Jo!
blame your team.. :P
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
AAHHHHH
BRING HIM TO ME GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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The way he throws those 'lol's around, it makes me wonder if he's really an advanced stat guy.
Or maybe it confirms that he is…?
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 10, 2011 6:37 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like the guy:
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Nothing done yet and some hurdles remain but #Bulls in stongly on Rip Hamilton talks.
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More:
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
One source called #Bulls “the leaders” to land Rip. DRose would be on board: “He’s got a championship. It’s great. He knows how to win.”
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
we are the leaders to get everyone
yet we have nothing
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How did I know he would say that?!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
friedell;
Rose on Rip: “RIp is a winner. I can’t say nothing bad about him. He’s got a championship. It’s great. He knows how to win.”
rolling with rip now?
Grab it, Jo!
Keith just got dropped from the entrourage
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/statuses/145320415693246465
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by Dominicanbull on Dec 9, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
haha.... Keith is out.
that made me imagine Rose saying it like—
“RIp is a winner. I can’t say nothing bad about him. He’s got a championship. It’s great. He knows how to win."
light em up
Yay "options"!
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Chicago, of course, is logical landing spot for Rip Hamilton, though the Bulls are said to be mulling “a lot of options,” source said.
(You have to think something will happen in the next day or two. Only a week until our first preseason game.)
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"A lot of options" could mean so many things...
Rip, J-Rich, Bogans, Iggy, Pargo, Lindsay Hunter’s corpse, Kirk, Michael Jordan, etc.
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, the Magic just signed Larry Hughes, so things could be much, much worse
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't he not even in the league for the last 2 years?
by obnoxious american on Dec 9, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I don't thnk so
At least last year i’m 90% sure he wasn’t
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
i remember telling people last August, dont worry, bogans is just a fifth guard
16 months later we’re still mulling options.
awesome.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
if we get rip
doesnt afflalo suddenly make tons more sense
rose/cj
rip/afflalo
deng/butler/afflalo
boozer/taj
noah/asik
maybe you trade taj as well, and then trade bogans to golden state for amundson or something
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Afflalo would start on that squad
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by illwill on Dec 9, 2011 8:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
How do the Bulls have enough money to sign Afflalo?
So, they would have to do a S&T, in which case why would you trade away (potentially) a lot of assets for a guy who isn’t going to be the starting SG?
cuz rip would only sign with us if he could start
but afflalo becomes the 6th man, and theres no other guard in front of him, you trade away potentially korver, brewer, and taj for afflalo, thats a great haul for denver. For the bulls all afflalo really does is take the skills of two players and combines them into one, which in my opinion is better
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
and hell be great in development into the bulls system
hes a young player who can become dangerous alongside Rose overtime
if forman and thibs end up accepting to losing some depth and make a move like this
they should try really hard to keep brewer imho. we’ll need his defensive skill-set against wade and lebron. i’d trade korver any minute and korver – brewer – taj seems too much to me. bogans instead of brewer should do it for afflalo but that’s a long shot anyway.
Grab it, Jo!
do we lose depth
we are still like a 9man deep team….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
afflalo
is literally korver+brewer, hes the two of them condensed into one player, an elite defender, and an accurate shooter who is clutch. Taj would be a bit much, but trading bogans for a big man not being used (amundson is only one of many) or if we have anything left after signing rip. Asik is good enough to cover both big man spots himself, and i think we can resign big sexy…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he is neither as versatile a defender as brewer or as accomplished a shooter as korver
he is just a good player in all facets, but come on lets stop pretending he’s elite at every skill
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
like i said i would trade korver in a breath in a breath if we had a guy like afflalo
but i don’t see him as good as brewer defensively either. he’s really good at D no way he can bring brewer’s energy and we may need that really bad to annoy lebron and wade. afflalo is worth taking that risk though. but trading brewer for jamal? that’s too much a risk the way i see it.
Grab it, Jo!
first he is JUST as versatile as brewer, if not more
brewer can guard 2s and 3s….afflalo, can guard 1s, 2s, and 3s…thats MORE versatility. He might not be as good a shooter as korver, certainly korver has the far better stroke and id say range. But I didnt say he was a better shooter than korver, i said he was just as accurate ane he is. hes been in the league, his first year he shot his lowest percentage at 20%. His next lowest? 40% from 3pt land….last year he shot 42% from 3pt land. And almost 50% from the field in general after having a bigger part in the offense after melo left.
I didnt say he was elite in anything my post, but i do believe he is an elite defender…and when you can have one player do the job of 2, i dont know why you dont replace the two with that one guy…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
suddenly makes sense?
hahaha.
suddenly?
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
Afflalo makes even less sense with Rip around. Team still has a need for another playmaker which neither of them are
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They're both better playmakers
than Korver and Brewer, which is a low hurdle, but still significant. The Bulls are close to the Heat already, it doesn’t take major moves to close the gap.
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“Is Was Gilbert Arenas primarily a point guard?” Yes, yes he was.
i remember in the playoffs when he kileld the bulls and eliminated them from the 1st round
ill never forgive him for that.
he was never even one of the top 5 players in his prime
i always considered arenas a chucker
thats just ignorant
he was running shit in 04-06. I’m guessing your still mad he slapped the Bulls in the playofffs.
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In those years before his knees screwed him??
He was dropping 29.3 a game with 6 assists and like 2 steals. Also, shooting pretty well. He was close to that MVP too
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right and chucking up 20 shots a game along with 7-8 3 pt attempts a game
hell put up point but hes not even close to being an efficient player. his TS % is alot lower than alot of the all stars during those years.
If the shots are dropping why wouldnt he
hes a scoring point guard. Derrick has the same critisicsm thrown at him. He just gets a lot of unwarranted hate because of that one situation, http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=hruby/101223
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thats true, they are both scoring point guards
and thats one thing i want rose to improve on is efficiency. I never considered Rose as a top 5 player and the criticism he gets can eb harsh. However, I do admit Rose makes dumb mistakes, but of course, the kid is young and is still learning.
Same for Gilbert Arenas during those years…as a matter of fact, i have him ranked as the 7th best player during those years.
all im saying is
btw, in ur wondering who are my top 5 players for those years
NOT IN ORDER: Duncan, KG, Kobe, Wade, and LeBron
yeah, he was also a really good guy once too.
“5 years” sounds harsh but i tend to forget your better days when you end up being a freak and seem to like it.
Grab it, Jo!
how is he not a good guy anymore?
i swear he gets a terrible rep after the gun thing. i admit it was stupid, but he isnt a bad person for it
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
dude, he was being complete ignorant of the fact that he was violating teams rule
plus, ignorant of the fact that Washington DC has the strictest gun laws in the US. Hes freekin arrogant and that to me screams a selfish bastard.
Im arguing the stupidity behind the gun thing
but how is arrogant or selfish. I dont get why people give him the persona
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
you really underestimate how stupid bringing guns into a locker room is as a practical joke.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, I wouldn't have waived him
Ive always been a Gil fan since GS. I seriously think he’d help this or any team. LA would be sweet.
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i don't know man.
orlando was mostly shitty last year but when gil came on, man that was painful to watch. he had no idea what he was doing on the floor. don’t think he wants to play some ball anymore, he seems like he retired ages ago.
Grab it, Jo!
This all but takes Richardson off the market, right?
No way he signs for the MLE when NJ or some other team with cap space can offer him twice that.
Yep, that's my feeling about it, too
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 8:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
thats what im saying
and how can you blame him, almost a lock somebody overpays, and prob NJ. Just with DWill, him, Lopez and Nene thats a solid offensive team
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Josh Smith wan'ts a shooter
Josh Smith calls for “knock-down shooter”: “I’m not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor.”
Michael Cunningham
wait.
we have kyle korver.
holy crap are the bulls good???
by obnoxious american on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
He just asked the Hawks to get Korver from us in a Crawford trade
umm..how about no.
they can get korver
we can keep brewer!
TRADE!
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the frail blazers need to be contracted.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 9:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
geez
thats horrible luck
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Just send the few remaining Blazers players to NO and contract Blazers.
Put them out of their misery or just get them a f…..g doctor on staff for f..k sakes.
im in medical school, can i becomes their doctor
although Im still in the process of basic sciences :/
You can draw Aldridge the cardiac action potential graph if you'd like.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
lmao, sure i can do that
not sure if hell be pleased, lol.
Wow
Just send them Scalabrine for free, they need a pick-me-up.
by bryield on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
and pargo just got released!!
thatll solve their problems
Oden's body just isn't meant to play basketball
Sucks, but sometimes that’s just the case when you’re talking about such a physical oddity
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
At least he'll have made a shitload of money in his brief playing career
A lot more than most people can say
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but man, when he was healthy...for the brief period, lol
he was doing well. He truly could have become the next Shaq is he was healthy.
thats the problem with big guys now these days
their increased muscle mass, fat, and hell, even the size of their organs is just too much for their bones and ligaments to hold up in intense physical sports like basketball.
They really did have like the perfect nucleus of a roster
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
And it’d have been nice to see a homegrown super-team, which is what that basically would’ve been.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Maybe we should throw LMA vs Tyrus
into the debate of bowie/jordan and durant/oden :p
it's official
the Tyrus Thomas pick has been vindicated
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
At least MJ can say he ended up with a good draft pick...
even if he didn’t make the pick himself.
Maybe they should combine with the Nugs
between injury and guys in china they could combine what’s left for a decent team
Fairly interesting:
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source: Cektics close to deal with free agent forward David West. Story up soon on NBA.com.
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That's a bit strange.
I wonder if they’ll keep Garnett, or if they’re simply preparing for the post-Garnett/Big 3 era?
Ugh.
Didn’t they just unload their fat garbage for Brandon Bass too? They’re gonna be deep at PF.
that's a good point
this seems like a weird move…
Look
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
We'll see
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by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
David West to Celtics??
David Aldridge just tweeted that DW is nearing a deal with the celts. Did DW agree to the MLE? I don’t think Boston has cap space. Maybe, a sign and trade with Jeff Green?? Another example why such teams win championships because they go over the tax. Calling good old JR!!
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by BULLysh on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Bulls spent a lot last summer and have a chance to sign an upgrade at 2 guard.
Sorry if there isn’t anyone else worth spending money. Rip or Crawford will be Bulls.
by Playboy_BullV on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
bulls will sign someone, its obvious
itll take some time but you know how we chicago fans are :)
Celtics won't be very good this year
They still have "name’ players, but those players don’t play up to their reputation anymore. KG is not still KG. Same with Allen and Pierce. Throw in this zany schedule and I’m having trouble seeing how they advance past the first round of the playoffs in an very much improved Eastern Conference. I’ll take us, the heat, the Knicks, or even the Sixers to beat them in a series.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
How can the Celtics afford West
Seriously. Rondo, Allen, Pierce, West, Garnett, Green. And the Bulls are counting every penny for Rip Hamilton?
"It will happen because our major-league coaching staff is more prepared than their counterparts across the field."
i think its a sign and trade
chill, and let them sign west. Makes no sense since they have KG on the team along with Bass as the PF. Imo, they shoukd have goen after a center instead.
They could play KG at the 5
"It will happen because our major-league coaching staff is more prepared than their counterparts across the field."
by louslovechild on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Sign and trade for Jermaine O'Neal
Stern just got a chubby. O’Neal is garbage.
"It will happen because our major-league coaching staff is more prepared than their counterparts across the field."
by louslovechild on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
oh i know, lol
still, let them have west. it doesnt make a diff to the bulls…well still destroy their asses…just liek last year.
'chill, let them get good players'
and we get nothing. CHILL
I’m an icicle.
f’real, it’s not a slam-dunk move but with stuff like this, or the Knicks getting Tyson, it’s not all LOL look at idiots spending money we’re letting the market come to us. Nobody tallies up at the end of the season who had the best value.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
right, b.c these moves dont concern me
if lets say the celtics were to get a center Dalembert, then i would be concerned. West is a PF and he doesnt fit with that team.
of course, i want the bulls to make a move, but our options are still out there
but you gotta be patient and know how GarPax play their game. Grant Hill was never going to leave the suns, butler wanted a big contract, and ther other SGs we lost are either old (T-Mac) or are washed up and jsut the wrong fit with this team (VC).
I think there's a possibility of him being more productive and/or a bitter fit than Chandler when it's all said and done this year.
Not sure about over the life of the deal, but still. He’s got 1-2 more years with the old guys, but he’ll also have Rondo getting him the ball, so he should at least have a good offensive year. And they have fairly deep frontcourt, so he should be able to stay fresh and won’t be pressured to guard many elite post threats.
Obviously he has to stay healthy for any of that to matter, but so does Tyson. Depends on how much they gave him, but this could be a good bargain in a pretty crazy market.
I think it might help that Rondo signed such a team friendly deal
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
it also helps that they're agressive
granted, I have little idea what Ainge is doing, but he’s, um, doing stuff.
I guess we’re better than the Celtics so the onus is on them, but still.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it would be a lot easier to trust the Bulls if they made splashier (pricier) moves once in a while
(I say that with full knowledge that “Splashy” doesn’t always equal “good”, but still)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
right
I’m not canonizing Ainge, but I won’t go LOLyoudumbspender on him either. He’s sort of in a corner here with his core with one great season left. Maybe West is an ultimate KG insurance for a shortened schedule.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, with other big market teams their natural tendency is to be aggressive
with the Bulls it’s always “Hoooold up a minute here.”
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
(Which, again, can be a good thing, but when that's their only mode of operation, it makes you question their real motive)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
completely agreed. it seems every other big market team has done something, or at least attempted to.
Bulls are looking at their options
The Spurs have operated the same way the Bulls do now for years
Up until Richard Jefferson at least. I’d say they’ve done pretty well for themselves. They seem to be better at drafting than the Bulls though…
i think they are almost dead even
Drafting Noah, Deng, Gordan, and of course, Rose matches their draft picks
You forgot Tyrus
They haven’t had any noticable busts (besides giving up the rights to Scola). But I see your point. Main thing is that the Bulls could have long term success by taking a conservative and smart approach.
yeah, nobody's justifying any 'basketball reasons' from now on
it’s a joke and we all know it was. I STILL can’t believe that veto is standing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
I thought for sure Stern would renege on it, too
The one person in Stern’s corner? Sam Smith, because he’s old and bitter.
he renegs he loses ALL his cred, right? kind of has to walk the walk now
although he’s got his out with new cp3 lakers deal
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
no
because they didn’t really want West, it’s a sign-and-trade where they get something rather than nothing.
The Paul deal is a superstar for ‘pieces’, no lottery picks, no young cheap sorta-stars.
I don’t think either should be rescinded but this one isn’t worse.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly, both should be approved
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
i dont get your take
seems to me kmart and scola are both sorta-stars. as in, either could start on a champ team and not be the DeShawn Stevenson. i guess they’re not cheap, if thats what you mean
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think K-Mart, Scola, Odom and picks to Hornets
Gasol to Rockets, CP3 to Lakers is by far a much more balanced trade then West for O’Neal.
And, probably more importantly, it allowed the Lakers a second superstar with enough cash (and assets) to acquire a third.
It would’ve been super team west vs. super team east for the next 5 years. Stern and a collection of whiney, butthurt owners new that and did the unthinkable.
How is taking on O'Neal and having to pay him
better than having nothing?
by JeffD on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
dude, its fuckin obvious
they shouldnt even sugar coat this but they want to stop super teams from being formed. its stupid as hell, but since the lakers, a big market team, were on the verge of htis deal and the howard deal, this had to happen
as silly as Gilbert's letter was
I think a big part of it was that the Hornets were giving up Paul AND taking on a ton of salary.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
But Jermaine O'Neal is awful
Is his contract expiring or something? I don’t get it.
i know what your saying
but it still shouldmt have fuck all to do with anything. 3 competent GMs made a fair deal
This is interesting. Not sure if true though.
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I’m baffled. David West deal would appear to kill the 3-way CP3 trade. Hornets can’t take on any $ in West deal and still do CP trade.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
Don't worry everyone
Remember we are “exploring a lot of options” and “mulling a lot of offers” so just keep holding on because something will happen because the Bulls FO never let’s us down.
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sure would be nice if David West was a shooting guard named Jason Richardson
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David West has desperately wanted to play for a winner, and will take less money to do so in Boston.
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Assuming the Bulls offered Jrich anything
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah...this is what i've found to be most concerning when it comes to the possibility of getting Richardson here
i have seen that the Bulls are “frontrunners” but i havnt seen anything about an actual offer being made
maybe cause hes looking for a big contract
he would have signed with us if he wants to play ofr a contender. hes obviously going to sign to a big contract like butler
The Bulls never offered him the full MLE
per kc’s latest, “citing luxury tax concerns”
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
it sounds like (from below)
they’re going to be offering rip 10 mil/2 years (basically to recoup what he gave up in his buyout)… sounds like the MLE to me… although only 2 years so maybe jrich wanted more years?
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
why not?! if fuckin butler gets three yrs for 24 mill
then absolutely, J Rich will get 4 years!
not saying he shouldn't!
but i’m just speculating that the # of years is what the bulls balked at, not the price tag, if he was willing to take the MLE.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
the stiff luxury tax penalties kick in after two years
so if we arent two time title winners g/p/d can drop hamilton and dodge the tax
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
mmm, good call
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Or it could be about
Rip and J-rich likely falling off significantly in 2 years, with better options being available at that time. Everything doesn’t have to be a conspiracy about being cheap.
can we trade boozer for david west now
pleeeeeeease
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Dwight Howard’s agent, Dan Fegan, tells SI that the Magic gave Howard permission to have contact with several teams to explore his options
hopefully he talks to us
i’d like to think he’s at least inquire
"teams" is kind of encouraging
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
Confirmed by Woj. 3 teams.
Adrian Wojnarowski
The agent for Dwight Howard, Dan Fegan, tells Y! Sports that Orlando has given Howard permission to talk to three teams
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
They'll let him talk to whoever they believe will offer the most.
And if they value a potential offer from NJ more than others, then yeah.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
It looks like the Bulls are really close to getting Hamilton
KC is actually talking about the deal I’ll try to link, but I may be pathetic:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-1210-bulls-chicago—20111210,0,5384111.story
nice, well, there u go
the bulls are on the verge making a move
Yep.
“There’s a lot to clean up but overall the energy was good and the conditioning was better than I thought,” Thibodeau said.
That assessment included Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah and Asik, all of whom were coming off injuries. Players talked confidently of building from last season’s league-high 62 victories and Eastern Conference finals loss to the Heat no matter who is on board.
“(But) our focus is having a great camp and being ready for the Lakers on opening night (Dec. 25).”
Look for Hamilton to be there.
two years for about 10 mil...sounds like they found a taker for their MLE
Hamilton is very similar in play style to Richardson, who I was hoping for, so I like this move. Now, if on top of this they sign and trade for Richardson or Crawford, that’d really help the bench. But if not, at least we have a legit starting SG, assuming this goes through.
JRich is a better player than Hamilton at this point
I’m not sure Hamilton is a big upgrade over Brewer and Korver…he looked very old to me last year. Plus he acted like a punk.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Man, there's a lot of shit in that article. This is incredibly disappointing for starters:
Sources said the Bulls never offered the full, four-year midlevel exception of roughly $20.5 million to Richardson, citing luxury-tax concerns.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's incredibly disapointing that they are STILL being cheap. HOWEVER.....
I think i’d rather have Hamilton for a 2 year MLE than Richardson for 4 years.
yeah, i think that's the situation
i understand not wanting richardson for 4 years… i would have liked to see him accept 3. but rip for 2 may be a better situation.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i don't really get "luxury tax concerns". that's a dumb reason for this.
but it’s still a good basketball move, and maybe the cheap org is more inclined to extend Taj and Asik if the contract is 2 years and not 4.
I would much prefer Richardson, but not for four seasons. This way, we get Hamilton, who is a very good SG, but if he doesn’t turn out to be the right move after two chances against Miami, we arent locked in and we can try something else.
I like the move, but not the cheapness.
exactly
i agree wholeheartedly. it’s also weird because it says they talked to jamal about the midlevel. so which is it, bulls? also, so instead of having a 31 year old for 4 years… now we have a 33 year old for two. lol. we’ll still end up with a 35 year old guy on the roster. but i do like this move better as a stop gap, since that’s all richardson would be as well… so i like it with 2 years, since maybe we can find a better long term solution. i do think it does leave us more room to at least make sure we hang on to one of taj/omer.
i will kinda laugh if jamal and jrich end up playing for garbage teams for more money. ;) why the fuck wouldn’t they want to play with drose?? :)
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I saw that too
Very disappointing…the Bulls org and their “Commitment to excellence avoiding the tax”
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, f'real?
what was the talk, I don’t know, THURSDAY, of a full MLE offer
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
forget that
what happened to “WE WILL GO OVER THE TAX”
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
they did say if its for the right player
i think that right player follows along the lines of Howard. Not saying the bulls will go after him but I think thats what they meant
it's garbage
the right player is ROSE. Say you’re paying the tax for him. Semantics solved.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
if the expectation is only to go over the tax for howard….well then the org will never go over the tax.
Plus the amnesty is still there whenever they need it….it wont be there forever….might as well take a gamble now and if you cant shed salary the old fashioned way (trades, buyouts) then amnesty someone and call it a day
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
thats bullshit
the core is locked up and the MLE is main option to get better. JRich isnt exactly a home run so you lock up full MLE over the entire duration of your core? it’s a defensible move but not a great one. overreaction against “flexibility” makes people want a player at all costs even though team is young
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
We'll be over the luxury tax next year anyways after Rose's extension kicks in.
This year is really the Bulls’ only shot at using the full MLE.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
look, i want the bulls to make a move asap as much anyone else
but i want the bulls to make a move where they maintain THEIR FLEXIBILITY. I want trade options to be out there by midseason if need be the bulls new SG is still nto enough to match the heat. The strategy the bulls are following is very similar to the spurs “wait and see.”
sorry if stole ur thunder, lol
but I think this yr loss to the heat is still stinging alot of us on this site and I guess patience is def not an option anymore. We have to remain objective and think long-term, not short-term.
This team cannot go into 2012 with Bogans starting.
They just can’t. They will get blasted.
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by louslovechild on Dec 9, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
ummm, look up and see what i said
I want the bulls to make a move but a move good enough till we have betetr options later on. Bulls are going to get hamilton anyways, and Bogans will prob be on the bench.
I bet you that Bogans starts because he knows Thibs system.
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by louslovechild on Dec 9, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming this Rip deal goes through, by my count...
that’s 8 reasonable contracts (not including scrubs) that GarPaxDorf have negotiated. Boozer, Korver, Brewer, Watson, Bogans, Asik, Noah extension, Rip. In the current NBA, I think that merits some respect.
Boozer is an awful contract
Possibly the worst in the NBA.
It’s not clear that’s Noah’s extension was a good idea either at this point.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Worst in the NBA? LOL.
Forget about the older contracts out there (Gilbert, Rashard). You really think Joe Johnson’s isn’t worse? No one would take that, and he’s a good player. If Boozer was on the open market right now, he would get more than what we signed him for.
by rinconen on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He would not get more than he was signed for...
There’s a reason people wrote about him as a possible amnesty case. He couldn’t stay on the court against the #%$@ Indiana Pacers frontcourt. He was hurt and/or abysmal for the majority of the season. And he’s not getting better at his age. It’s a bad, bad deal.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
hes not overpaid dude, there are far worse contracts than his
it was his first yr, and he didnt do a bad job at all.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not even close!!! and thats after one of his bad seasons
wait till he has a good one and watch everyonr suddenly kiss his ass
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
exactly and i wish people would acknowledge that
we have MOVABLE PIECES! If howard comes to the bulls and says “I WANT TO WEE-UN!” then im sure Paxson will throw a pitch for howard.
Exactly. We don't own any bad contracts right now.
Boozer gets a lot of slack, but that was a fair deal. There are teams that would take him, though not as many as the rest of our pieces.
Man, I wish we had West under this contract instead of Boozer under his.
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David West!!! Woo hoo!!! RT @WojYahooNBA: West close w/ Celtics. Y! Sources say sides working on a sign-and-trade for a 3-yr, $27-29M deal.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 PM CST reply actions
i'd still take Boozer
much better offensive player than West
I'm trying to figure out if Simmons is being serious with his excitement
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think he would have to be really committed to the sarcasm, cause there's this too:
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We’re back! Here come the Celts! RT @daldridgetnt: Source: Celtics close to deal with David West. Story up soon on NBA.com.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
wait wait wait
david west….puts the celtics over the top….I’m missing something…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Well, that's why I think he's kidding
It’s so over the top, it’s ridiculous. I mean, I guess it was a pretty good move, but i don’t see how this changes much for them. I’m not scared of that team AT ALL
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
if they gotten a center, then i would have been a bit scared
maybe someone like nene, or Dalembert
yeah, that part indicates sarcasm
but he’s not exactly a trusted analyst, just a dope like us with some GMs on speed-dial
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously this
@SherrodbCSN
A source close to #Celtics J. O’Neal said if he’s traded to the #Hornets, he will ask to be waived, and will look to sign with the #Heat.
Yeah, I'm thinking about signing with the Heat too
At this point, I just want the ring.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
and then sell the ring for millions
its the best get rich quick scheme…ever
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec this
because its funny
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Please do, Jermaine. Best center tandem in the league, hands down!
Good god let this happen...
Eddy Curry AND Jermaine O’Neal on the same team? Could we get George A. Romero to direct?
lol
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this would be too perfect
I’d take Gibson and Asik against O’Neal and Curry every day of my life. Honestly though, I doubt the Heat, or anybody else, is dumb enough to sign O’Neal if he gets out of New Orleans.
They signed Eddy
They can be that dumb
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Is there an easier way to make yourself instantly disliked in America today than saying: "I'm signing with the Heat"?
I think I could run into a mall and yell “I RAPE CHILDREN”, and at least three or four people would be like: “Well, at least he doesn’t play for the Miami Heat”
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
no dude
im pretty sure raping children is worse than playing for the heat….
like infinitly worse…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
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by docks on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Duh
Because it would be obvoius that you are a college coach of some sort…
by Bulldozer on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I could run into a mall and yell "I RAPE CHILDREN",
hey calm down jerry sandusky
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Oh dear, you people don't really think I honestly meant that playing for the Heat is worse than raping children, do you?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
hmmm
but really, isn’t it?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
if you count by number of outraged blog posts
its actually a little bit worse to play for the heat
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by paddyfairview on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, Jermaine. New Orleans can't waive you
Basketball reasons
Um
The agent for Dwight Howard, Dan Fegan, tells Y! Sports that Orlando has given Howard permission to talk to three teams.
"It will happen because our major-league coaching staff is more prepared than their counterparts across the field."
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