NBA Rumors and Free Agency News: Chris Paul trade to Lakers (or IS he??), some Bulls options off the board
by Alex Sonty on Dec 8, 2011 6:00 PM CST
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NBA Teams can begin signing free agents on Friday, but some players have reportedly already come to terms this week, as players met with teams. And the rumors are flying galore.
The salary cap will be $58.044 million, luxury tax line will be $70.307 million, and teams minimum payroll will be $46.435, Ken Berger tweeted. The Bulls are currently just under $65 million.
The big trade
[Since I've started writing this, news is breaking on Twitter over the deal hitting a snag and even declared dead, spurred on by other NBA owners who are questioning the NBA-owned Hornets on this.
There have been more pieces added to the original deal, including Goran Dragic and the Knicks 2012 first-rounder to New Orleans. Also a rumor that Emeka Okafor is headed to the Lakers. You know what's good for stuff like this? The SBNation StoryStream. Find confirmed updates there as this develops -ed.]
Adrian Wojnarowski is tweeting that the Hornets are "starting to inform teams" that they're sending Chris Paul to the Lakers in a three-way deal, including the Rockets. Pau Gasol to Houston, with Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin, and Luis Scola to L.A. Another tweet added the deal is "not finalized", but "close".
The Knicks and Celtics are reportedly trying to trade for the PG's expiring contract. The Warriors and Clippers are also reportedly interested, but Paul reportedly has expressed he won't sign an extension with the either of those two teams, so Stephen Curry and Eric Gordon has been pulled off the table in exchange -- effectively breaking the deal. The Celtics were reportedly attempting a three-way deal that includes the Pacers and already scheduling to bring Paul in for a physical.
Bulls' reported targets
- Shane Battier (unrestricted): Will sign with the Heat reportedly starting at $3 million in 2011-12 under the 'mini'-mid-level exemption that can max out at three years.
- Caron Butler (unrestricted): Will reportedly sign a three-year, $24 million deal with the Clips.
- Jason Richardson (unrestricted): Bulls are "considered one of the favorites" to sign him. The Celtics and Warriors have been reportedly interested. If Richardson's demand gives him the opportunity to make more than the MLE allows, there haven't been reports the Bulls will attempt a sign-and-trade with the Magic.
- Grant Hill (unrestricted): Reportedly will go to the Spurs or back to the Suns. The Knicks and Bulls were rumored as interested.
- Jamal Crawford (unrestricted): Complicated. The Bulls can only offer the MLE, but he can likely make more and a sign-and-trade with the Hawks will likely cost too much in personnel, as the Nets, Hornets, Mavericks, Suns, Magic and Trail Blazers are also reportedly interested. The Bulls can't win a bidding war here.
- Nick Young (restricted): It's a long shot, but reportedly is interested in the Bulls. He's expected to get more than the MLE, so the only option to land him is a longshot sign-and-trade. The Nuggets, Hornets, Kings, and Suns are reportedly included as competitors.
- Tracy McGrady (unrestricted): Fringe interest, but will sign a one-year deal at the veteran minimum with the Hawks.
- Vince Carter (???): Will reportedly be bought-out by the Suns. Unclear how much landing him would cost. The Spurs and Heat were reportedly interested, but the Heat can likely be ruled out now with Battier. Interest in waived players will be expectedly quiet, as to not inflate players' market value.
- Tayshaun Prince (unrestricted): Was reported as a fringe target of the Bulls last trade deadline, but not this offseason and we now know why. Joe Dumars is using his degree from the Isiah Thomas School of General Managing by re-signing Prince to the Pistons with a four-year, $27 million deal.... Wait! WHAT?!?
Other confirmed signings and re-signings:
- Mike Dunleavy, Jr. (unrestricted): Signed to a two-year, $7.5 million deal with the Bucks.
- Shannon Brown (unrestricted): Will reportedly sign a one-year, $3.5 million deal with the Suns.
- Greg Oden (restricted): Agreed to the Trail Blazers' 1-year/$8.9 million qualifying offer, will become an unrestricted free agent after the season. That coin can buy a lot of suits to wear during Blazers games.
- Eddy Curry (unrestricted): Will sign with the Heat. Terms are undisclosed, but there's no indication that he'll receive anything more than a 1-year deal at the veteran minimum. Yes, that Eddy Curry.
- Jonas Jerebko (restricted): Re-signed to the
up-and-comingPistons to a four-year, $25 million deal. - Keyon Dooling traded to the Celtics for a 2nd rounder (they had a trade exception) -ed.
Rumors:
- Tyson Chandler (unrestricted): There's a "98 percent chance" he'll sign a four-year deal with the Knicks after the Warriors offered him a four-year, $60 million contract. It's unsure whether the Knicks plan on a sign-and-trade that sends Chauncey Billups to the Mavericks or if Billups will be amnestied, but one thing's for sure: Billups is pissed. Raises legitimate questions as to whether Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony will be part of offers to acquire Chris Paul or that they knew they were already out of the running to acquire him from the Hornets.
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The more I think about the veto, the less I like it.
If the Hornets truly have an independent management structure, the rest of the league shouldn’t be able to override their personnel decisions.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
I mean, it's hilarious and all, but still.
This is a bad precedent.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, no point in have a team that works like this
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Has this seriously ever happened before??
And like you said, what kind of precendence is this setting??
So, basically from now on if owners don’t like a trade they can veto it?? Or is this solely because its an NBA owned franchise that we r talking about??
If it’s the former and not the latter then this brings up seriously major concerns involving future trades!!
And if this is the case then why did no-one stop the sign and trades last year for Bosh and LeBron (who actually seemed less like a superb douche in his last interview, maybe Hakeem the Dream, actually knocked some sense into him with an elbow to the head when they were working out 2gether)
This really has my mind baffled. I know the Commish has the power to veto trades, but I seriously NEVER thought I would actually see it happen!!
Quoting one of my favorite sports figures of all time, The Coach ..Vince Lombardi…“What the hell’s going on here?”
I mean I thought it was literally, nothing more then just a phrase “depending on Commish’s approval.”
If it’s not completely obvious to you yet, then I’ll flat out ask, I need some answers!! lol Can anyone please shed some light.
And what is the actual approval the main post above didn’t make much sense to me. So now Okafor is going to LA also, along with Paul??
I’m seriously lost….HELP!!?
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by chicagobullies on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I recall Mark Cuban loudy complaining that the league didn't veto a trade
back before Miami hit the jackpot…Landry Fields for Marcus Thornton I think. Anyway, point being, I guess there’s something in the rules about trades being vetoed, although that may have just been because NO was involved.
No it was Carl Landry of Sacramento for Marcus Thornton
because it was the Hornets trying to cut back on salary when they were owned by the NBA
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This is what I'm unclear about
I know the Hornets have a management staff, but any owner of an NBA team has to sign off on a trade, right? So, if the NBA owners collectively own a team (as weird as it is), don’t they have to sign off on it, too?
Agreed, completely.
either they approved NBA ownership of the team as it was, or they didn’t.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
yep as i tweeted
this is fucking awesome, sad, hilarious, and scary
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
If the Hornets are being run like this, it warps the league.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
yea thats exactly what i thought
how can the hornets ever get better if any blockbuster trade that involves them get vetoed…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Find a buyer
This is really the owners faults anyway when they approved of George Shinn’s choices. Now they must own them.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Yep
Moreover, I absolutely believe that that package was the most the Hornets were going to get for Paul.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure who could give much more.
KMart is a good player, as is Odom. Picks galore and Okafor gone? Sounded fair to me. Like Laker consolidation ad naseum, but a big potential reward.
I don't think they can get anything better
and that really was a good trade for them actually, especially since they’ll end up losing him for nothing.
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The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
by reprisal on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good
David Stern actually makes the right call.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Suddenly everything is calm at BaB
I think we just need to be patient for a shooting guard. The organization has said from the start they are trying to find a starting shooting guard and if they were planning on settling for someone like Butler or Crawford they would have done it by now. I’m pretty sure Gar and Pax are working the phones trying to make a significant upgrade at the position, it’s not like they don’t understand where we need an improvement.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
So much stuff...
and so much rides on one or two good signings..
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Stacy_Is_King (giving credit where it's due) posted in the old thread that Bill Simmons said NBA killed the deal because it wasn't in the best intrest of the league.
How the hell is this allowed? Not that I wanted this to go through, but since when has the NBA been allowed to decide that teams can’t make trades because of the “best interest of the league”. I understand with the league-owned Hornets, it’s a special circumstance.
But seriously…can Stern do this?
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
Yes, they can do it.
I think it is absolute bullshit that they are, though. They are 1 year behind on trying to stop the “superteams”
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I almost feel bad for LA
…almost
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
i do too. i understand if somebody failed a physical
but to block a trade “in the best interest of the league” is bullshit. “Best interest of getting LeBron a championship”? loljk…kinda
what i really want to know is if they can do this with ANY trade, or if this is just because the Hornets are league owned. What if we trade for Howard tomorrow? They gonna block that too?
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well I mean, they own the team
that gives them the right do approve/disapprove anything they want to
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
This is kind of my feeling on it
I think it was a bit screwy to cancel the deal, but the NBA also has an interest in finding a potential buyer for the Hornets. Obviously, any potential buyer probably knows Paul is leaving anyway, but I understand the NBA’s decision.
What about the interests of Hornets fans?
And like you said, the potential buyer knows CP3 is leaving anyway. Its not like that changes.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
It’s just an odd situation.
Woj bringing the deets
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.
1 minute ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
i just don't get how this is allowed.
Stern can just cancel trades whenever he wants? Again, i’m glad there is no LA Superteam…but seriously. Can they do this in trades not involving league-owned teams? The league office now gets to determine how and for whom teams are allowed to trade?
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
It's a unique circumstance, since the NBA owners collectively own the Hornets
I’m not defending the decision, but it’s like Stern can cancel trades whenever he wants.
Jeez...
Out of those guy YFBB listed, JRich better be the guy…
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No one else piques my interest at all...
It is like bringing a prostitue out into the sunlight
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Yeah...
4 months ago I didn’t like JRich at all, but for some reason, I do now…
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is: what trade will be in the league's best interest?
CP3 to NY?
CP3 to Minny?
Kinda feel they dig a big hole there
What does this do to the Knicks' Chandler acquisition now.
It seemed pretty much done.
Wow, what a crazy day.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dwight howard to N.O.?
thats just out of left field if you ask me
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Yeah, can the Hornets even trade CP3 now?
Doesn’t everyone involved in the first trade have legit complaints about how this isn’t fair?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Pathetic. No doubt the small-market teams raised a stink.
So unless he goes to the Clippers or Warriors it’s against the rules?
my thought exactly. this is so wrong
CP3 Chris Paul
WoW
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Hah! poor guy. Guess he will just sign with the Knicks at the end of the year
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I have no fucking clue how that relates...but there it is
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Seriously JRich
just sign with us already, you want a ring and we needed a legitimate shooting guard. done deal right there.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
I bet if he somehow someway gets to NY
He wouldn’t do this
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
btw
For those #Bulls fans on ledge, LHead isn’t 2 guard move. Need camp bodies. Only have 10 under contract and Butler.Scal might be in camp 2.
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by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
is the butler still under contract with us?
i thought he was playing overseas?
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
no he isn't
he walked out on his team
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
you keep contradicting me!
and with good points to back it up…
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Guys, there's a separate thread for the Luther Head news you all want to discuss!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t see why everyone is up and arms about the trade being nixed. The Hornets are an NBA owned team. I think since the league owns it the owners and stern can cancel trades since they own the team. I don’t think they could do this with any other team. If they can well then that’s b.s., but in this case I’m pretty sure it’s because the hornets are owned by the NBA.
Their justification for doing so was bullshit, that's why.
This is America…we all think we can do your job better.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
For me it interferes with the competitiveness of the league
the Lakers made a good move. Their front office succeeded where others failed. They took a chance others weren’t willing to take. I’m sick of the crybaby NBA owners freaking out b/c the league isn’t fair. Too bad. Their are only 10-15 franchise NBA players. They all want to live in big cities, date hot women and/or not pay taxes. Deal with it.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
The NBA really created a strange situation for itself
by taking collective ownership of a team, when all indications are that the team’s superstar player will leave. If the Hornets trade Paul, the likelihood of finding a buyer decreases? If the Hornets do not trade Paul, does that change? I’m not sure.
True
I think a future buyer would find more distaste with the current age of that trades return. Unless the Hornets were planning other subsequent moves, I thought the additions of Odom, Martin and Scola were curious for a team that presumably would be rebuilding
-Jeeves The I in Team
i was ready to trade them
asik, picks and filler for Martin
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Why have a GM then (Dell Demps)
just let Stern and baldy Adam run the damn team
i still can't believe "best interest of the league" was given.
Stern is running the NBA like a Fantasy League commissioner who made a bunch of mistakes when he wrote the rules, and is now trying to fix them.
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
#winlebronaringconspiracy
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by Brigade17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol...way ahead of you. check a few posts up.
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Stern needed to go
years ago
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think CP3 is a warcraft fan now
light em up
by docks on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
someone made that joke above you
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Haha @ Lakers. It is a shit move.
Hornets shouldnt be able to do any trades unless they have a new owner.
who's gonna buy em with paul on the way out but no new trade assets
thats dumb
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
heat owner in full troll mode
MickyArison Micky Arison
Whatever happens with @CP3 all I can say is I wish him the the best. A class act.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
what a bitch
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
by Brigade17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I bet he wrote as he was speaking with Stern to cut the deal
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
Sorry CP3 I stopped your awesome trade, stay classy.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Put a troll over David Stern's face
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The NBA
Where cockblocking anyone who tries to beat LeBron, happens.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
The NBA should really, really be embarassed
about how they’ve handled this. The other owners just come off as petulant babies. Sadly, this is the league I love. Its like being married to a meth-head.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I understand the reasoning of the NBA and the owners
but that certainly doesn’t mean I agree with the decision. Like you said, it looks really bad for the league.
Board of Trustees meeting
None of us is as dumb as all of us!
by torch on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
and yet another killer tagline...
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
my graphic designer friends say this all the time.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I don't see the big deal. Since they traded
Gasol the Lakers were gonna be worse, they should’ve let the deal stay. Bynum will get hurt again. Now if that deal went through and then the Lakers got Dwight, then we have a problem.
I think that was the end game for the Lakers.
Trade Bynum + whatever else for Howard.
New signature coming...but its a process.
i guess it's about appearances
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by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's putting it gently.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
New Orleans GM Dell Demps is “disconsolate” over this stunning, heavy-handed move from the commissioner’s office, source tells Y! Sports.
46 seconds ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
yikes
someone get him Derrick’s pizza-oven!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
and a Skittles machine
cheer up! you can taste the rainbow!
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
and some Sk-
oh, nevermind
-Jeeves The I in Team
by jeeves on Dec 8, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And all knives and apples.
He took his what to where?!
Woj is on fire ...
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
All along, the league office had allowed the Hornets to negotiate the Chris Paul trade without interference, sources said. And then, this.
14 seconds ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yep
if they wanted to smash it they could have been descreet and offered some made up rule that didnt allow it,or tell the hornets behind the scenes to ask for more or something that would screw the deal over….
by allowing this to blow over like this, it helps all conspiracy theorists…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
yeah if they were going to veto
than they should have been involved from the beginning
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to think Stern was overruled by the owners
and has lost control
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's about to get Judge Dredd up in here!
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I UM DA LUH!!!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
it looked really bad, but this looks worse
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not in the Best Interest of the Miami Heat
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
National Basketball Miami Heat Association
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
by Brigade17 on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Stern called Pat Riley
Riley said I don’t like it.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't think the Heat had a full MLE.
Due to their proximity to the tax, and thus could only offer Battier the new Mini-MLE.
New signature coming...but its a process.
that's basically what is says above
just didn’t use the term ‘mini’…I can fix it though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
I was unclear...
Since the actual numbers were released, I wasn’t sure of their situation. So, it was the mini and they don’t have an additional $2M sitting around to pay other guys? Only veteran minimums.
New signature coming...but its a process.
they have the bi-annual exception, plus bird rights on Chalmers, plus veteran minimum exceptions
if they used Mini-MLE that means they have no further penalty for going into the tax.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
Forgot about the bi-annual. They used cap space & vet minimums last year to fill out their roster. Thanks for clarifying.
New signature coming...but its a process.
Jeez...
What a day. All these NBA moves, the Cubs make a trade, and KU hires Cheeseburger Charlie as their head football “coach.” Too much at once!
THEO!
this is good for the league
i agree with this veto for one reason: why the hell are the hornets demanding two old veterans who are not in the hronets long term plans. Why the hell would thye ask curry fro mthe warrior and clippers for gordan. This was a bullshit deal imho.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Its still a fair-fair thing. I mean it may be ridiculous asking for that, but wouldn’t it be just as ridiculous for the Lakers for agreeing to it. What’s worse is, if you didn’t want the deal going down, why did you allow people to look into trading Paul in the first place? That’s wrong. That’s like telling your child to try out for a hs sports team and when he makes it telling him “Well me and your mom aren’t gonna let it happen because we don’t think its best for you”. Just don’t let it happen. I don’t disagree that it was a bad trade. But even let it remotely happen is and then say we don’t want it to happen is an egregious mistake by the NBA. They should be ashamed.
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by macjack09 on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It was probably a lateral move...
At best for the Hornets…they would win 45 games next season, but have additional draft picks.
The Rockets are the big losers here…especially if they could have acquired Nene.
New signature coming...but its a process.
What the league did was dumb
that said, screw CP3 and his demanding-for-trade-ass
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
...
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
hahah
oh recd
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
lol comment on my facebook feed
“DAVID STERN. WHY WON’T YOU LET THE LAKERS FUCK THEMSELVES. YOU FUCKING FUCK”
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
i love how some people think this was a great move (me)
and some people think it was the worst move ever. If David Stern was going to veto something,veto Memphis giving up Pau Gasol for his fat clone.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Its always good move to get a superstar player...
But, in the short term, would have made the Lakers worse…who would play PF for them?
New signature coming...but its a process.
But the Pau trade gave the grizz some long term assets
that they’ve parlayed into another playoff team, and a better one at that.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Stern called LAL and said
“Shit! I told you I would get you Howard for Luke Walton. But how that’t too much, guys. Take it easy! CP3 was going to NY”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So now that the Paul trade was vetoed, and Chandler probably signing with the Knicks, do you think Paul will go to the Knicks? I just read the knicks are looking to trade Amare again to get him. Would the league allow this?
i just saw tyson-to-knicks and avoided out of disgust
thanks lol
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think the NBA can trade Paul now.
How would that be fair? Can the Knicks really put together a better deal than what the Hornets just got?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
i was thinking more along the lines of...
magic. idk why, but thats what my guts are telling me. Logically, it doesnt make sense, lol
LOL!
Bill Simmons @sportsguy33 2 mins Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Next up for the NBA: vetoing the giant dump that the Celtics took on Rajon Rondo this week.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The NBA-owned Hornets traded Chris Paul to the Lakers. The league directly made the Lakers better. Oh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
giant dump that the Celtics took on Rajon Rondo this week.
giant dump=rondo…
so in other words
bq.rajon rondo that the celtics took on rajon rondo this week
kinda redundant, no, bill simmons?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Because they tried trading him for chris paul. Basically saying, we don’t want you. This PG is better.
why because its true
thats like Bogans being pissed that we’re looking for a SG upgrade
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In a nutshell
Celtics aggressively shopping him for Paul, but then ‘not shopping him for Paul’
i also believe that
he took a home town discount with regards to his extension and he also got a dreaded vote of confidence
-Jeeves The I in Team
Poor Rondo
It’s hard when no one likes you… also difficult being away from home planet.
by bryield on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
this Simmons thing with Rondo being fragile makes it seem
the Celtics SHOULD trade him, right? I hate that alien’s purple guts, and still don’t think trade rumors could affect him that much.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yea
on the one hand they want you to believe rondo represents everything that is celtic pride, grits, heart, passion, bleeds green (alien and all), and then they constantly tell you how sensitive he is….like wtf?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
well he supposedly stopped shooting the ball last season
when Obama made a joke about someone needing to teach him how to shoot. So I think its possible his play will be affected by this.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
i think what throws me off is
when you talk to celtic fans about rondo, they make him sound tougher than john stockton and chuck norris’ love child….and that their biggest reason for loving him so is due to that he symbolizes what it means to be a celtic, and then they go out and call him sensitive….hes like one of those men from romantic comedies, all dangerous and cool yet somehow loving and sensitive at the same time…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
woah
white guy+white guy = black guy!
(ignoring the whole guy + guy != baby aspect)
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Obama ruined his jumpshot.
Would Michelle Bachmann just ruin his will to live?
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
It's just typical Simmons hyperbole
Simmons has an incredibly juvenile way of looking at things sometimes (which obviously works in his favor for the most part, but other times he sounds like a retard)
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, forget any defense I could've made for the owners/NBA
WojYahooNBA
Several GM’s were lauding the haul of players and the draft pick that Demps was able to get back for Chris Paul in the deal. Now what?
so wait...they were mad that the Hornets got stuff back?
umm…wut?
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
ummmm i dont think you know what lauding means
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/laud
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i know it means they liked it. but if they liked it...why did they have such a problem with it?
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Owners had issue
not GM’s.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
Assuming the GMs are even remotely in touch with the owners
it makes me wonder whether the owners were jealous of (a) Lakers getting Paul, (b) Hornets getting a lot of assets, or © everything, and vetoed it based on some combination of a, b, and c.
they vetoed because after a lockout brought on partly by big stars pushing/leaving for big markets
and bending their small-market teams over, the supposedly pro-parity league let the team they own send its star to LA. and theyre stupid cause it was a good deal
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Twitter is getting fun.
David Stern also informed Shane Battier he has actually signed with Miami of Ohio. @IraHeatBeat
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2011 8:46 PM CST reply actions 12 recs
oh
….that was good
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Spain would invade
RicBucher Ric Bucher
Reports are owners squashed Hou-LA-NO deal, citing conflict of interest for NBA-owned NO. But sources say Pau didn’t want to go to Hou, too.
so Pau Gasol somehow vetoed this?
what the hell is going on.
Do the Bull shave an SG yet?
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
hence
no beard on his face?
Do the Bull shave an SG yet?
Yes, Kieth Bogans
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats dirty
your dirty….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
lol
“david stern leads the league in blocks”
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
Lakers should have waited and let the trade come to them.
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by Fukudometer on Dec 8, 2011 9:00 PM CST reply actions 12 recs
More weirdness
daldridgetnt
League spokesman: “Not true that owners killed the deal…League office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons.”
i can believe these people get paid to come up with this bullshit
i swear we could come up with better fiction than that
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
ur on a roll right now
i agree
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
the league wants to maintain flexibilty under the cap
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The league's rationale is even worse than the owners vetoing it!
So they review all trades to make sure they’re in the interests of “basketball reasons” now?
by kozzer on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
whateevr, fuck this, i want the bulsl to make a deal asap
i want the bulsl to steal the headline!
We'll need a separate thread for this, folks
CSNBullsInsider
Also: Bulls might not be willing to spend necessary $ to make a big splash at the 2, according to a person with knowledge of discussions.
by bryield on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
person with knowledge of discussions = JR
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Or any Bulls fan
that has watched this sh*t play out year after year. make a move, man.
Fuck you Garpax
fuck you JR
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Well that's some bullshit.
Completely unacceptable.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
What the hell? KC is supposed to dumo the bucket of cold water
He must be at a St. Vincent concert or something
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Is this just a Hornets thing, or is the league setting a new precedent for everyone?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
Not setting a precedent
@SportsLawGuy
There is precedent for a commish vetoing a trade because it’s not in the best interests of the game. Finley v Kuhn (MLB) is the landmark case
New signature coming...but its a process.
setting precedent in the NBA though
and setting precedent with based on the reason, whatever that is.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
The Finley case was one thing as Finley was outright selling his players before they became free agents
According to Lakers beat writer Kevin Ding, no rationale is being given by the league. via NBA Offseason
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
by snley on Dec 8, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit.
Stern has to be stopped.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
You guys hearing that Chris Paul won't report to camp?
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
He could've done that
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
He shouldn't.. he should be reporting to an attorney's office.
He got screwed, plain and simple.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if the hornets beat us out for Jason Richardson or Jamal Crawford
can we get the league to veto that?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 9:05 PM CST reply actions
what. the. bullshit. is. this.
CSNBullsInsider Aggrey Sam
Source: Keith Bogans’ return may or may not happen (helpful, I know). Kurt Thomas wants to be back, but also fielding POR/MIA/DAL offers
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Also: Bulls might not be willing to spend necessary $ to make a big splash at the 2, according to a person with knowledge of discussions.
Should've traded for Melo.
So the Bulls may even whiff on Keith Bogans as well? Wow…
by fredv21 on Dec 8, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this is unacceptable
LA has the highest payroll in the league and they tried to get Chris Paul. Bulls are the most profitable team in the league, and they wont pay for a full starting lineup.
What happened to JR being willing to spend when the team was close to a title?
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Only if there's a player worth it.
Clearly, there is no Michael Jordan on the market, so JR doesn’t want to do it.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Lakers also have a $200 million TV deal
It could be that this is what this is all about.
Can you spell “revenue sharing”
He took his what to where?!
oh this is getting good
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options w/NBPA director Billy Hunter to fight blocked deal
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
oh god
cp3 is hosting his own little lockout party…well done nba…well done
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
What are his "damages" to justify legal action?
Not like he will not make shit load of money on any team.
I hope Chris Paul sues.
We need more frivilous cases.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
later: NBA will not open on Christmas. Players rally around Paul and refuse to vote to finalize new CBA.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
wait, Billy Hunter, really?
I hope he realizes with Billy in his corner the reverse of what he wants will happen. He’ll end up paying to play in Minnesota, or something
-Jeeves The I in Team
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter:Chris PaulBulls fans fuming because Bulls reportedly unwilling to pay for SG, and exploringlegalbitching optionsw/NBPA director Billy Hunterto fight cheap management.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is it that bad to be the face of an NBA franchise?
So glad we have Rose
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
You mean you're so glad you have Rose in a big market.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
What the NBA just did
was what the lockout (especially at the end) was REALLY all about.
some owners want to control how the league is run, and they want to control the players — even if they have to throw out the whole season or make an unprecedented move like vetoing a trade (yes, I know the league “owns” the Hornets) like the mothereffing Oakland A’s in the 1970s, Bowie Kuhn-style!!
by droselilbro on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pistons signed
Jerebko signed for 4 years $25 million and Prince for 4 years $27 million? Do they want to suck? And they wonder why bad teams stay bad.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
they're rushing for their chance to get cock blocked by stern as well
?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
because the players have too much of the bri share
because there isnt a hard cap
because big market teams always get all the great players
???
oh wait…its non of these..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
but they kept BG and villanueva
championship
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
As much as I HATE players demanding trades
i’m totally on Cp3 and the Hornet’s Gm’s side on this one. Stern totally screwed EVERYONE out of a day of free agency/trades. I bet this trade was discussed for HOURS just for this to happen. Its ironic that it happened right after the CBA was finalized.
Woj
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
“The owners half-pushed this through, and Stern took it the rest of the way,” a league source involved in nixed trade told Y! Sports.
2 minutes ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
but what melo did was totally legit right?
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
(More) “In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go,” source says.
Should've traded for Melo.
Virtual free agent.
And frankly, I don’t think he really demanded a trade. He just told the Hornets he wouldn’t re-sign. They made an independent decision that was actually in the best interest of the franchise. So, basically Stern is saying he doesn’t like that a player was choosing where he would eventually go to when he was a free agent. So, what’s the difference?
the difference is that if he was a free agent
there’d be no vetoing his choice of team
I must admit I don't like this behavior as well. It is getting really annoying
that said, Stern fucked this up and it’s a great time to sell the Hornets
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Paul wanted to go to NY
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Let me just look away while Lebron-Wade-Bosh
get together, Oh Melo, you want to go to play in NY? K. Paul to Lakers….NO NO NO NO NO
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Terrible coverage. ESPN making them look like Western Union.
Because when you have the craziest free agency period in the league’s history, why would you want to have a live crew on hand for updates? Pathetic.
MY MIND IS SO FUCKING BLOWN
I can’t believe Stern whipped out his dick like this
No longer believes in the Bogans Prophecy
Hmmm
WojYahooNBA
League source on killed deal: “…(Stern) wasn’t going to let Chris Paul dictate where he wanted to go.”
Remember Stern’s whole, “I know where the bodies are buried” line from the last All Star Game? Apparently, he was stone cold serious.
WoW
Now, that is some bullshit.
I dont agree a player should be able to pick their destination, but when that team works their ass off to put together a deal to get that player, and all parties agree, then deal should move forward.
What basketball reason are they citing? Chris Paul will leave as a free agent and the Hornets will get nothing after the season.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That just meant
he knew that Juwan Howard was in Miami
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I think Stern/the owners did more damage to the league today, than the entirety of the lockout
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
thats over reacting
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i dont think so
look at what they had today after the lockout. crazy interest in the league again. and in one move they have the entire public against them now
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
and tomaro everyone will be back into it
months of no basketball and closed door sessions can never be worse than regular nba activity. So the lakers and hornets were blocked…so? The bulls still have moves, other teams will continue to make moves, as much as you or stern or anyone else seems to think the nba revolves around the lakers, i certainly dont. Yea, it was a dick move, it sucks that new orleans has no say…fine…its not gonna keep the bulls from playing a week from now, so i honestly dont care as much about this.
The lockout killed it for everyone, this just sucks for laker, hornets, and maybe houston fans….it affects their locker rooms and their training camps….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Good point...
I don’t care about any of these teams, especially considering they are all in Western Conference…its just such a weird situation. Like a bad reality show playing out in blog/twitter form.
New signature coming...but its a process.
There were 3 teams involved, and one was the Lakers (!), and another was Houston (a huge market)
people will be making jokes and conspiracy theories about this for years. The lockout will fade into oblivion the moment they tip off on Christmas
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Simmons will probably write a book on it.
And by “book,” I mean a Grantland post tomorrow.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of NO
I was just there less than 2 months ago, and I saw one Hornets hat. It was a throwback, Charlotte one. And he didn’t look like a local.
That city is all Saints, all the time. I saw no Hornets gear for sale anywhere.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
I agree
I was ALMOST over the lockout and ready to move on, this puts a really bad black eye on the NBA. Alot of my family/friends dont care about the NBA and didn’t even care if the season started. This move by stern to block the trade is just going to be ANOTHER example of why the NBA is a joke to most people. It makes me upset, sports like NFL/MLB seem to function without this drama and can move past lockouts/issues but the NBA always comes this way.
66 games?
i think the lockout worked out pretty good in those terms
To listen to the GM’s, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern’s act tonight.
by reprisal on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Here is what Stern did the Lakers
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/HarpoGarza/sternownslakers.gif
by fredv21 on Dec 8, 2011 9:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Raise your hand if you've accidentally visited the Fly DWade web page at least 50 times today
That advertisement is the devil
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
lmao, and while usually make the effort of clicking BaB ads
I don’t want to do this to this one! This guy plays in Miami, goddamnit
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
and our leader sold his soul
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I have adblock plus.
So haven’t seen it.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
by chicity773 on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its in the background of the websites border
so if you click anywhere thats not a link or blogabull text, you get the ad itself
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i would like to have kirk back for basketball reasons as well as tyrus
thanks nba
Should've traded for Melo.
Surely Dwight Howard provides the NBA with more money in a Bulls jersey than he does in Orlando
chop, chop, NBA
"Bud Light."
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by Brigade17 on Dec 8, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
from Mike McGraw
Q: Are the Bulls planning any additions?
A: Well, yes and no. The obvious need is an offensive upgrade at shooting guard. But some in Bulls management are in favor of standing pat and coming back with the same group of players. At least to start the season.
full article: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20111208/sports/712089710/
Yep, sounds about right
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, why would the Bulls need another scoring guard who can get his own shot?
Not like the Heat got a long-armed elite wing defender or anything.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
its cool. dont need one.
basketball reasons
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
we let it come to us...for basketball reasons, of course.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I actually kinda like that news
Maybe we wait and get JR Smith in march, he will be rested and fresh while most of the league is exhausted, might not be awful(still would prefer JRich or Nick Young now)
No longer believes in the Bogans Prophecy
I think they just wanna wait til later in the season, around the trade deadline, when they'll presumably have a good enough record
to say that they don’t wanna add anyone and break up the chemistry
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
JR Smith?
If we are waiting for the season to start. Why not save the MLE for him, and offer to pay prorated share in March when he can return…I am totally cool with that…
New signature coming...but its a process.
meh
cuz other teams will probably also want jr smith? all we can offer is the max, while some team will amnesty some overpaid player (DETRIOIT) and sign him
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
There is a deadline on the amnesty provision....
So, it would only be a team under the cap that late in the season that could outbid the Bulls with their full MLE….
New signature coming...but its a process.
ah thats right
maybe i feel one of two things will be true 1.) the bulls dont like jr smith and wont sign him regardless 2.) even if the bulls try to sign him,some other team willsign him for more…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Perhaps.
But were he available, he would have been my number one target.
New signature coming...but its a process.
I can't believe this
The Org has us saying “ok…so we arent do anything….JR Smith must be the plan!”. Smh.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe it for a second.
But, I would prefer JR Smith for the MLE to any option currently available.
New signature coming...but its a process.
ah its done
there will be no trades, and unless j-rich wants to sign for the mle, there is no one we are getting. We might not even be rolling with keith….so there we are….at least all we have to worry about is miami…but still wtf
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
thing is, they've done this before
the year we drafted Rose, he was the ONLY addition to the team. they didn’t sign a single free agent.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
rose will forever be the organizations excuse
we dont have to do anything, we have rose…
and i love rose’s attitude, but its a damned double edged sword. He can become as good as michael jordan, and still not be able to lead this team to a championship…we need more…HE needs more
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Well said
They’re a little too comfortable with Derrick for my liking. Hopefully Derrick starts making some demands as he gets older
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
it's possible. people change
i remember a quote from lebron in his rookie year: “This isn’t my team. It’s Darius and Z’s team.”
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 1:19 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but I also think Rose can will you to the finals
The Cavs team that Lebron to the NBA finals that one year was far more crappy than our current team. With Rose there’s always that chance through Herculean effort, he will have you in the finals. I know JR is cheap and all, but there isn’t a “slam dunk” free agent out there and as much as we just want the Bulls to frankly, do anything, the current team really has a little more untapped potential.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
another bit
Q: Wait, didn’t the Bulls lose to Miami in the playoffs? They need to change something, right?
A: Look at it this way: The Bulls posted the league’s best record at 62-20, advanced to the conference finals and certainly played championship-caliber defense against the Heat.
A problem that stood out was the Bulls inability to score late in Games 2, 4 and 5. That’s where a better scorer at shooting guard comes in.
At the same time, that was the first extended trip through the playoffs for Rose, Deng and Noah. Better health, better free-throw shooting, a few more spot-up jumpers falling, more calls from the referees — any of those factors could turn the tables this year.
In theory, of course.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Better health, (Not a given at all with this roster) better free-throw shooting (maybe), a few more spot-up jumpers falling (not with Noah and the tornado or Bogans or Brewer shooting), more calls from the referees (ha)— any of those factors could turn the tables this year.
Yup…a 2nd seed and out in the 2nd round or ECF sounds about right
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That’s the front office that I know. Uneventful, uninspiring, and worst of all…content.
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by macjack09 on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Win 55-60 games a year, sell out, go far enough into the playoffs to make some good scratch.
All while staying under the cap. Winning the title would be gravy under this system.
Ugh.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
i just can't believe we have a 22 year old superstar, 3 other fringe all stars types, the reigning coach of the year, and the best regular season mark from last year
and they aren’t even ATTEMPTING, possibly not even CONSIDERING TRYING to improve the team so we can get past Miami and the West. This is completely insulting. The Bulls make sooooo much money and they choose now to be cheap.
That stadium was sold out, full, and energetic for ever game Marcus Fizer, Eddie Robinson, and Dragan Tarlac played. It’s time to reward those people, as well as Derrick Rose. Doing anything less is a middle finger to our players and fans.
by kpd on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
That’s the one dark this about having a team that sells out tickets every year. They know no matter what that happens or who’s on the court that they are gonna have full United Center. So why pay for when we already have what we want?
Its times like this I get envious of Mark Cuban and I don’t even like the guy.
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by macjack09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wait, they arent? not even trying? wow, you must have some killer inside info that contradicts EVERYTHING else out there
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by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
McGraw tweeted that there are Bulls front office people who think it would be better to stand pat
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
not exactly what he said is it
i get the anger but man, enough is enough with this shit
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by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
MOAR DERRICK ROSE DRIVES AND BOOZER JUMPERS WITH DENG 3’S AND NOAH TORNADOS….
WE NEED NO SG
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welll.......
At least to start the season.
Maybe we’re just waiting on one of those guys in China to come back just in time for the playoffs? maybe?
yeah…probably not D:
Here we go
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I’m thinking “for basketball reasons” is about to become a very useful euphemism for any number of situations.
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i almost wish that lakers cp3 and howard connection went down
maybe that would have made a team like the bulls, i dont know….DO SOMETHING
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
certainly
if they had tears for not being able to sign someone, i wouldnt feel so angry, cuz at least it would mean they acknowledge they suck…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
WTF....
Some owners pushed Stern to demand that trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. A chorus of owners were irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.
So, are we going to have 10 years of "vetoes," then?
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
...The big stars leave because there is nothing there for them on small market teams! He is just going to leave once the season is over. God damn, how did they become billionaires?!?
"Bud Light."
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Sooooo
in other words…no NBA teams in small markets better trade they’re players to larger market teams? what kind of league is this?
Even hollinger is making jokes
johnhollinger John Hollinger
In the old days, Stern would have just made sure Scola and Martin failed their physicals. He’s losing his touch.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I had no idea a robot was capable of humor.
by fredv21 on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
That's an obvious sign he wants to be a Bull
jrich23 Jason Richardson
Speechless about the @CP3 block trade. Smh
His next tweet needs to be
Let’s go Bulls!!!
"Bud Light."
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lol
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Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
It's like "The Terminal"
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
That has to be so incredibly awkward
I actually kinda feel for all those guys who were going to be traded. Enjoy practice tomorrow.
No longer believes in the Bogans Prophecy
Haha
he knows whats up..imagine being almost traded for McRoberts…that’d make me sad
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by ThorCo on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Put it on Keeping Up With the Kardashians
including a 30 min goodbye LA montage ending with a record scratch end and the Kardashians crying tears of joy when it gets vetoed
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Jerry Reinsdorf,
All I do is WEE-UN WEE-UN no matter what
got money on mind but I can never get enough
make a fucking deal!!!!!
by wee-un on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
This is not going to die down.
sam_amick Sam Amick
Powerful point just made to me: if Stern did this yesterday, deal would not have been ratified by players today. Poisonous potential here.
31 seconds ag
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 PM CST reply actions
sam_amick Sam Amick
Powerful point just made to me: if Stern did this yesterday, deal would not have been ratified by players today. Poisonous potential here.
Should've traded for Melo.
I have a feeling Stern will renege on this decision anyway
and certainly before the players strike
Not like this would be a great idea for us, but I think they're still within their rights to strike.
And, if that happens, Stern can go f*ck himself.
if the lockout ended only for a strike to start...
i dont even know what to say
If some desirable players sign for the MLE and the Bulls stand pat I'm going to be pretty pissed
If all our targets get paid more than the MLE (like Butler did today), I’m not sure what to say. I’ll still be pissed, but it’s harder to blame management.
I will say that they aren’t very creative or proactive.
well, I guess we'd know players won't take less to be Bulls
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its the weather
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well fuck butler, he doesnt deserve that contract, 8 mil la yr, for what?! being injured?!
if temas are going to overpay guys like butler, then I would rather not overpay a declining SG like J-Rich for 10 mil la yr. If he wants to win, he should man up and take that MLE. However, that ebign said, im pisse the bulls are saying they wont do shit. Damn, make a trade or something. You gotta give something to get something.
didn't shane battier just sign for less tham the mle?
no bulls fault
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
huh?
the Bulls were going to sign butler. Battier is as much a 2 guard as him.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ok fine, I guess he could technically play SG
But as far as our specific needs go, he was a pretty poor option. As in, we need a shot creator, and Shane Battier doesn’t do that at all.
Pat Riley is the devil.
i'm really afraid of a players strike now.
the players really seem to be rallying around all these guys who got traded before Stern nixed it.
thank God the new CBA already got ratified
this is so juicy
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
To listen to the GM’s, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern’s act tonight
Should've traded for Melo.
It was a monumental decision
And proves that Stern is a grade A dick
"Bud Light."
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This is some seriously crazy shit
but I can’t see it resulting in a basketball delay/stoppage
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions
The wounds are still fresh from the lockout. Stern could've pulled this off in two years. Not today.
Wouldn’t be suprised to see players perhaps threaten a flash strike, say of Christmas games or something.
I mean maybe, but I'd be a lot less shocked if we wake up tomorrow and Stern is rescinding the veto
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 8, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
if he does that he pretty much has to step down tho
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by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
in my dreams
Along with my dream of getting Iggy
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by macjack09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, fuck. This has been an eventful day, huh?
Got us to stop bitching for about an hour. That’s a record, right?
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by Brigade17 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
yes but it was not the dominate theme
generally someone will make a comment and then everything gets off track
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by chicity773 on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
mmmm mmmm mmm wheres my popcorn
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Should've traded for Melo.
awwwwwwwweh shiiiit
things goin’ down, son!
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well this is just getting dumb
sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
I’m told there is a school of thought in informed circles that Stern vetoed C.Paul trade because a D.Howard-to-LA trade was coming up next.
Should've traded for Melo.
i don't believe that
its called spin sheridan. All we’ve heard is that Orlando was not going to trade Howard. Its spin.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
except that maybe the Orlando not trading Howard was spin. Oh man, I’m so confused.
by Gentleman Jim on Dec 9, 2011 3:06 AM CST up reply actions
If that's true, let's say Bynum for Howard plus other fillers, then Stern should have vetoed that.
The CP3 deal was not unfair.
yeah the lakers were giving up 2 starters in the deal
and a valuable member of the bench w/Shannon Brown going to PHX
this is ridiculous
fuck all of this. I swear, now i know why people dislike the freekin NBA.
Yeah, but Chris Sheridan isn't in informed circles
Besides, I’m calling bullshit on that. The Magic haven’t sounded close at all to dealing howard
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like they don't want any more superteams
trying to make it nearly impossible for us to trade for Howard
and the Bulls are making it impossible for themselves to sign Richardson
where does it end?
That is why, but the reasoning was absolute shit
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
And it wouldn't have been if the acquiring team was, say, the San Antonio Spurs.
And, that’s where the backlash will come from. This wasn’t vetoed because the deal was unfair. It was done because he was going to a big market contender. Trying to legislate player movement beyond the normal parameters is an absolute clusterf*ck for the league. Stern is basically daring the players to strike at this point. He’s really lost control of both players and owners at this point.
All this did was give me another reason to hate Stern
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by macjack09 on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
i know of the term “self-hating jew”, but stern is making other jews like myself hate him
THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS STERN
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks, usually i have to deal with people hating us, feels good to use it against one of my own
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 8, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Is this kind of a thing? I can't really make it out
jrich23 Jason Richardson
Lmao my 6yr old son jus traded me on NBA 2k12.
jrich23 Jason Richardson
He told me dad u have to wear #4 (his rec league number) since the team won’t let him pick #23…
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4 is retired in chicago
Death by automirotic asphyxiation
by Illini0509 on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but that's not the point obviously
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
maybe jrich is lying and only knows of mj and scottie jersey being retired
maybe im just wishfully think.
after today,I dont know what to think anymore.smh
Jerry Sloan would like to argue that point
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
I really hope it means what I hope it means
if that makes sense
"Bud Light."
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if it did
the team wouldn’t let him pick 4 either
moot point
if the kid is sold on the idea, it is hard to say no
"Bud Light."
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it's interesting because i've been following a search for "jrich23" and "jason richardson"
and everyone tweeting about him is begging him to come to the bulls. i’ve seen like one stay in orlando thing but like that’s pretty much it. unlike last season when people from all over the place were tweeting at bosh, lebron, etc… i mean. yeah he’s not as big of a star but still. almost every single one is saying bulls. i hope it happens.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
shiiit
This is no different than Lebron changing his number to 6 “to honor MJ”…
He knew he couldn’t wear it in Miami
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he wouldn't have had to file paperwork though
if he was planning to go to miami all along… he would have obviously just been forced to switch. course i mean could have just been a fakeout from the beginning.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
We now have video evidence of the trade being rejected
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
Now all it needs is that fat Nets fan
fist pumping in the background with MJ face
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why is stern dunking
when what he really did was a monster block.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I hope there isn't a patch for NBA 2k12
Trade accepted. Oh wait, message from the commissioner? WTF?
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by jrobulls on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
"Bulls have traded Noah, Deng and Pargo
for Dwight Howard. Trade Accept….Trade denied by NBA for competitiveness"
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by ThorCo on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
dirp
how did I forget that…
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I think NBA has realized they will not allow any more super teams.
Cannot blame them for that but they are doing it the wrong way. They could not negotiate it into the CBA so Stern is doing it by himself.
Should have tiered system for salaries.
One max salary per team, one second tear, multiple lower tear salaries, so that every team would have a star.
Wouldn't work
who seriously wants to play in places like Minn or Toronto that aren’t big markets on bad teams with questionable GM’s?
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They cannot stop it
they will hit free agency and go where they want to.
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If they really wanted no super teams..
They should have made it so superstars could have taken up a larger % of the payroll. If one guy is making 55% of the cap, than you’re not going to be able to sign two other superstars. It’s as simple as that, and makes more sense in a sport where one or two guys dominates the game anyways.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its really simple
its called a franchise tag. You franchise a player, you have to pay him the average of the top 3 salaries in the league every year you choose to apply the franchise tag and it counts against the cap The hornets would be able to keep Paul, but it would cost them a ton of money
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Why restrict player movement? Kills all the off season fun
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
i'm not really for it
but that would be the way to do it in my opinion without totally changing the system.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, franchise tags or eliminating max salaries would be the way to do it
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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hopefully Odom and Gasol are all butthurt and sad about almost being traded and it impacts their play negatively
until the day after Christmas
Did you see what Stern did to me?
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i blame Lebron James
think about it.
If Lebron never pulls the decision, the NBA never freaks out about superstars deserting small market teams. If he, Wade and Bosh never come together, super teams never become popular, and when the occasional stupid trade happens nobody gets upset. CP3 doesn’t want to bolt New Orleans, Howard doesn’t want to leave Orlando. But it goes deeper than that.
Who is CP3 known to be best friends with … thats right, Lebron James. Its a little reported fact that when Bosh, Lebron and Wade decided to play together, CP3 was also in the room, listening and taking notes. Lebron advised CP3 to take this exact route he did b/c he knew it would endear CP3 to the fans, just as Lebron knew the decision would make him the most popular national figure since Rick Perry. Who else was in that hotel room that night? Pat Riley, Dwight Howard and Janerro Pargo. But we will get back to them later.
It will also be reported at some point by Chris Broussard that Dan Gilbert was one of the main voices voting to veto this trade. He has had it in for Lebron James for months because he left the Cavaliers, and indeed all of Ohio, in a heaping, pile of steaming shit. But it goes back further than that. Dan knew that Lebron had secretly been texting Riley as early as 03. Lebron James preferred font, comic sans…
Also to be reported by Broussard, Pat Riley and Dan Gilbert had been high school rivals. Dan knew nothing would make Riley happier than to see his one time rival suffer again. When Dan Gilbert finally got to run an NBA team, a dream Riley stole from Gilbert in the summer of 68, Gilbert knew it was only a matter of time before he made his move. In the meantime, Riley immediately began plotting to ruin his nemesis. But how? Convince Lebron James to pay his mother to sleep with Delonte West, who Riley knew loved the scent of gun powder and pork from his stint in Miami…
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by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
You officially roped me in here...
Who else was in that hotel room that night? Pat Riley, Dwight Howard and Janerro Pargo
im in shock right now
if this was true, damn…this is so fucked up, lol
Did you write this before the letter came out?
Dan Gilbert is the whiner who spear headed the trade block. He didn’t want want 25 Washington generals.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
wow, i hadn't heard about that
but I knew he’d be one of the owners bitching the loudest after his act after LBJ left.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
now you look like a genius
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LOL
That “gun powder and pork” line killed me
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
i knew Dan Giblert was one of the guys who vetoed it
but damn, he still cant let go of LeBron spurning him and his team
Saw it on another site and assumed it was just a joke
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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It's another of his letters
that he probably should have put in a drawer and slept before he sent it.
First he complains about the business side of the trade and that imbalance— but then it’s only cause he doesn’t want to be the Washington Generals?
He just sounds bitter.
light em up
he should worry about making a competitive team
instead of the milk my star player bit he ran with Lebron.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
so what's his argument? That the Lakers make out too good?
that doesn’t seem like an appropriate reason to veto a trade.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 8, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not only would that e-mail help the players' case if they sue the NBA over this
It’d also help any potential suit drawn up by Jerry Buss and Leslie Alexander
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
Every time I think about the lack of foresight that guy exhibits
I get so fucking pissed that he’s rich and I’m not I want to take a shit on my Brian Urlacher fathead.
I'd like to propose the retirement of "F*ck Rondo" and replace it with "Fuck Gilbert"
Dude is an a$$ clown. And, should not be allowed to hijack the league.
Need to see the original
you can tell if its really from Gilbert if its in Comic Sans.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
well there goes that dream
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Nets have emerged as No. 1 choice for Dwight Howard, multiple sources say. D12 is expected to ask Magic to trade him to NJ.
NOT IF DAN GILBERT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT
light em up
by docks on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
From the looks of his e-mail to Stern, he'd be ok w/ it b/c it'd push the Nets towards the tax threshold
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
Shitty.
Derrick Rose has to quit hanging out with his high school buddies and get some friends that are NBA superstars
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
Chicago just isn't a destination in the NBA
It’s a big market, but it’s not exactly NY or LA. Plus, NBA’ers seem to care about climate more than any other athletes So you have teams like Miami that are also ahead in the pecking order. We’re on that Washington, Boston, Phoenix, Dallas level
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
I guess Howard really is concerned about being in the biggest market
because from a basketball standpoint, requesting a trade to the Nets seems like an odd choice relative to other potentially successful situations. But, we all tried to read the tea leaves on LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, etc. about what made the most “basketball sense,” so I’ll stop worrying about this one.
There is no basketball sense anymore
…only basketball reasons.
light em up
by docks on Dec 8, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
But it's COLD THERE!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
What are they going to offer?
Brook Lopez and his comic book collection?
light em up
by docks on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
whats left of Travis Outlaws talent
that he has decided not to use anymore.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
If Stern vetoes the CP3 trade (which was pretty fair) but green lights a Howard/Nets trade...
then we can pretty much shut down the league.
it depends on the deal
if the magic get lopez, first rounders, and maybe a few other players i dont see what the big deal is
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
the big deal is that Paul was basically told by Stern he has to play for the Hornets
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i know, and i also thought that trade was fair as well. except for the rockets
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
There's no conceivable way that a Howard trade could be more fair than the CP3 deal.
Brook Lopez is garbage. And are these actually Nets picks? If so, that’s worthless for a team that will have Deron Williams and Dwight Howard. Incredibly one sided. Which is fine but not if Stern has decided that he will arbitrarily decide who goes where.
he cant affect that, though
NO is a special case
Not really
The only reason that trade was in position for a veto is because the league owns the Hornets. As long as a Nets/Mafic traded passes the leagues guidelines, it’ll pass. Doesn’t matter if the magic are getting screwed
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
it would be hard for Gilbert to type an angry letter
when his arms are broken by two burly Russian men. So it wouldn’t get vetoed.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I had a dream last night
that Deng was involved in a trade for Howard…
maybe it will come true lol
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the more rumors
the more i think the bulls will sign nobody—including Bogans and Thomas—and will save money going forward.
unfortunately saving money doesnt do anything for the team
all it does it benefit all the executives because the team will generate more profits.
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
why havnt we signed Richardson yet?
remember our double ot win against the Suns in phx last year? Richardson kept them in the game through both overtimes when Nash sucked or got trapped. that’s exactly what we need from him. gah.
why aren’t they signing anybody?
from what these sources keep saying, we havent offered anything to anyone
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
KC said he was never our first option
so sounds like we didnt make an offer
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I guess it's a moot point. But, I'm not prepared to even think that the org isn't
willing to offer the MLE to Richardson. I understand the difference of being willing and literally doing it, that you’re making though.
the Bulls need more talent. Rose can't do it alone
they should have soooo many more plans than “offer richardson mle, hope he accepts. if not, do nothing.”
just sounds like they keep throwing the excuse that these guys arent worth the tax
and this whole let the market come to us, is a nice way of telling your fans that you arent going to do anything unless someone just happens to be left over.
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
what the fuck is going on?
Man, this is like Kardashians reality show. Boozer please ask for a trade!!!!!
It continues...
sam_amick
Rumblings out of New Orleans that Hornets camp might resemble a D-League practice tomorrow. @CP3 not expected to show, possibly others.
So it will look like a Hornets practice?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Why the hell is Howard ok with cold Brooklyn but not us?
I just don’t get why Williams and that new stadium are so much more appealing, and why we seem to be so unappealing to most free agents. What am I missing?
idk, i guess its mreo closer to NY, lmao
w.e fuck howard. if he wants to get his ass kicked by the bulls, let him. Hell regret going to NJ.
Following that logic, Howard carried his team to The Final 2 years prior and the Conf Finals the year before!!!!!
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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Correction: The Magic lost to Atlanta.
by Dogfishhead on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Top dog gets the blame and the accolades
but im just being contrarion
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We have to sign Richardson! This is awesome
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 AM CST reply actions
Hand down, man down
For fucks sake Boozer, challenge the shot!
I wonder what the pecking order of the East would be with Dwight in NJ
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 AM CST reply actions
You're making a lot of assumptions.
Keep in mind what a Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom squad did in the playoffs last year. You really think DWill and Howard will automatically walking over people playing with scrubs?
BTW, the Nets are basically following the Knicks blue print and you saw how stellar that team was last year.
At best, Nets would be a 4th seed this year. And, they would be incredibly exposed in the playoffs.
good points
i guess im slightly over reacting because of seeing all these moves being worked out, all the while reading reports that the Bulls are intentionally doing nothing
To defend the org for a second, if Howard is really requesting a trade to NJ...
then he’s pretty much a lost cause. It defies logic that he would choose that situation as the best winning situation. I can’t really say as of right now that the org has actually made any mistakes by being too passive. We won’t really know for a little while longer as more guys start signing deals.
We'd put Brewer on Dwill, and double Dwight, putting him to the line
It wouldn’t be pretty.
IMHO, until Dwight can shoot FTs, he’ll need to be on a team with multiple great scorers and creators.
easy on NJ man, that team isnt special even with just williams and howard
they would still lose to us
No this N@##&7! didn't put is in with NYK!
Until NJ stomps us were #2 playa.
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New York could be scary
Carmelo and Amare together for a full year, and looking like Tyson Chandler will be there too
dude, they got their fuckin asses kicked by the celtics
the same old celtics who got their asses kicked by the heat. even with tyson, still not enough to match the bulls
Thank you!
I can give a shit what the Lakers, Nets or Knicks do on paper. The game is played on the court and not with advanced statistics. If we fix our SG situation all these bitchess will be chasing us. Lets see how far the Knicks go with 2 scorers who don’t play D and a bunch of D league scrubs.
We are stacked head to toe with the best defense in the NBA and soon to be the best player in the NBA. Bulls or Die!
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doesnt tyson avg like 8pt and 8rbs
hes not that great
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
ahhh, tyson is a decent center, lol
nonetheless, it doesnt matter if the knicks OVERALL wont play defense because of their offensive minded coach.
STAT
is a matchup nightmare at the 4. Anyone thats solid enough to keep Amare from playing the center position is a great move for the team.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
if the Bulls have the same roster
I don’t care what moves seed 3-8 make, the Bulls are 2nd behind Miami. Bulls are a shooting guard away from top dog.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I think the BIGGEST question now...
is figuring out which 5 teams Gilbert considers the Harlem Globetrotters.
…..PLEASE ADVISE.
light em up
mav's, knicks, lakers, heat, minnesota
just kidding okc.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
Howard may not show up to training camp either
Per Chris Broussard’s (yeah, I know) article
Howard has yet to tell the Magic he will not re-sign with them after this season, but the sources said he will within the next few days, perhaps as early as Friday. There is also a chance that Howard will not attend the opening of training camp Friday, according to a source.
I'm with JBJ
I’m waiting for Derrick to show up to training camp tomorrow with a spray paint beard in a fucking NWO shirt
by Dogfishhead on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Does anyone else think the league is just planning on contracting NO...
Which will be easier when Paul walks at the end of the year and they don’t really have too many valuable pieces to distribute.
Had the same thought above or in the previous thread.
You’re destroying the team’s value with this veto.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
https://twitter.com/#!/uuords/status/145022171792683008
uuords devin kharpertian
RT @fadde: #BreakingNews Sources just informed that David Stern may retire and step down as commissioner within the next 48 hrs.
HOLY
FUCKING
SHITTTT
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (RUNS WILD AND FALLS OFF A CLIFF)
that would prolly be bad
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 AM CST up reply actions
i dont know. here’s the original tweeter:
https://twitter.com/#!/fadde
“President/CEO of Creative Sports International”
might all be a hoax. he’s saying he’s checking sources on the retirement talk now
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
but who the hell is this guy?
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont know
but if he’s right…
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't know if I believe it...
But, then again, today has indeed been a crazy day.
this is what it says on ESPN
“I would say it’s fair to say this is my last. This is a 10-year deal, with a re-opener at six,” he said, explaining that either side can opt out after six seasons. “I’m not planning to be here certainly for the 10 and probably not the six.”
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Wow.
This has been quite the eventful day.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I go to bed and I miss everything?
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too many bodies
he has to take time off from being commish to find them all.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Uh...Simon Pegg???
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd only cause Spaced is my netflix DVD atm
how you knew that, I dont know…
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Mindgamez son
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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
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Ok, everyone, time to go to bed, you have school in the morning
When I wake up tomorrow, I better see Reinsdorf got the release of JR Smith and Wilson Chandler ouf the Chinese League and has signed them to play for $1 million dollars each.
i finished my last goddamned final
im seriously contemplating either staying up all night, or waking up extremely early
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
I DON'T CHECK NBA NEWS ALL DAY FOR ONCE
and this happens! Wtf!?
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
shitload of crap happened my friend
its like a soap drama except you have grown ass men whining and bitching about “superteams” and stern threatning the shit outta teams
https://twitter.com/#!/robinlundberg/status/145020386139062273
Dwight Howard reportedly wants to be traded to the Nets. David Stern is now threatening to keep them in Jersey.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT IM NOT SLEEPING TONIGHT, NOPE
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 AM CST reply actions
has the CBA been signed yet by the players?
would suck if it went back into lockout cuz all this shit
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
It has been signed.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
is that even possible? does he have any authority over that?
i mean seriously….how the hell does stern think he has so much say over who gets traded and where?
He's a damn dictator
Not even Goodell would do this…(Wait he did to the Saints…but that was different)
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
It can't be real
You know how many millions of dollars are already invested in that Brooklyn move? You think Stern can change all that because him and a few owners are having a hissy fit over a trade? Please.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention, you really want to mess with a Russian with deep pockets and sketchy background?
I smell an owner vs league lawsuit.
JBJ being the voice of reason again
Seriously WTF is going on!?!?
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
and so it begins...
dgranger33 Danny Granger
Due to the sabotaging of the LA/NO trade by david stern, and following in the footsteps of my athlete brethern Metta World Peace and Chad Ochocinco, I’m changing my last name to “Stern’s Bi#&h” #effectiveimmediately
by shutupdrogba on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
He's so rich
he doesn’t even care. And it’s fucking funny!
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Danny Granger's a doofus
That’s just unnecessary. Be critical if you want, but don’t act like that
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
At least not on twitter. Do like everyone else and become an unnamed sources. Example...
Source says he will change his name to Stern’s Bitch.
Actually I take that back
I misread the quote. I thought he was calling Stern a bitch, not saying he was Stern’s bitch. The second way is definitely more humorous. Although it’s still kinda unnecessary.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Is changing your name ever not "kinda unnecessary"?
Maybe if you’re in the witness protection program I guess.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Occupy David Stern!
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
by Brigade17 on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahhaa
Danny Granger, despite the fact you play for the Pacers, you just became one of my favs
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looks like he just banished himself
to small market hell for the rest of his career.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
ah there is no way i am getting any work done tomorrow
gonna be checking twitter every second
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i was planning on sitting on my ass all day watching espn/nba tv/twitter anyway
now i definitely am
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
theres been so much wronging today
lakers getting cp3 and howard
lakers not getting cp3 (much less howard)
new jersey getting howard (but not chicago, in what way does the team, city, or marketing opps exceed in new jersey compared to chicago)
and finally stern possibly stepping down
Oh…but not before vetoing howard to new jersey
what the hell is going on in the nba
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
its not good for the NBA at all
alot of fans will stop watching this shit b.c of what happened today
Recap:
1. Paul traded to Lakers. A bunch of players and picks to the Rockets and Hornets.
2. Battier signs with Heat, Eddy Curry signs with Heat, Butler signs with Clippers
3. Bulls may or may not have had interest in Butler, then they may or may not have had interest in K-Mart.
4. Okafor also going to Lakers in the Paul trade.
5. Owners get pissed off that the Lakers are getting better and saving money, Stern vetoes trade, pissing off three teams and causing somewhere between one and six players to decide to not report to camp. NBA says trade was vetoed because it wasnt in the best interest of the NBA.
6. Players say if this happened before voting, they would not have ratified the new CBA, essentially restarting the lockout. There is very minor talk about a possible player strike that likely had no credibility.
7. The Bulls invite Luther Head and Brian Scalabrine to training camp.
8. Now NBA says Paul trade was vetoed because of basketball reasons.
9. Reports start coming out that the Tyson Chandler is on his way to the Nets.
10. Reports start coming out that the Bulls are INTENTIONALLY not signing anybody because people in the front office think it would be better to stand pat.
11. Dwight Howard, in the midst of all this Chris Paul stuff, now decides he no longer cares about cold weather and wants to go play for the Nets and asks the Magic to trade him there. He also threatens to not go to Magic’s camp.
12. Report comes out featuring letter from Dan Gilbert requesting Stern hold up the Paul trade because it would save the Lakers money and also help them on the court.
13. Some random ass guy tweets who apparently has NBA sources tweets that Stern is possibly stepping down within two days.
14. Reports say Stern has no veto power over a ORL/NJ trade, but threatens to stop the Nets’ move to Brooklynn if the Magic trade Howard there.
15. Danny Granger tweets that wants to change his name to Stern’s Bitch.
did i miss anything?
kpd, i think stern heard your prayers
this is all a fuckin plot!!! howard is coming to chicago!!!
if that's the result of all of this....shit, that'd be so epic
and kind of funny that this is the type of day the NBA has to have for the Bulls to end up with him
I scoured the thread
I didn’t see anything about the Bulls being interested in Martin. I saw plenty of Bulls fans interested in Martin, but nothing more than speculation.
Pat Riley is the devil.
You forgot the part where Gar and Pax went to Chipotle and Gar created the most bomb burrito EVER
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a barbacoa man as well
Although someone got me into these kick ass carnitas tacos recently
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
i havent a chipotle in months
im stuck in the Caribbeans chowing away on blehish food.
Eventful day except for the Chicago Bulls
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
so this is what it feels like
to be the fat girl that wasn’t asked out to prom?
by shutupdrogba on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean being a 62 win team with the coach of the year and the youngest MVP in NBA history?
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
the fat girl always becomes the most successful duh.
by shutupdrogba on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Of course cause she eventually gets her J.D and starts a law firm lol
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
And how is that a bad thing.
I just want J Rich, Afflalo or Mayo.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
i know! can we please just get our damn shooting gaurd?
if that’s all they do, and they do nothing to the bench, we still have a shot against miami and the west. but damn, just get the sg thing done.
getting JRich, afflalo, or mayo would be considered eventful
we have gotten none, made offers to none, therefore uneventful is bad.
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by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
whats crazy is stern needed to take this action last year
if they were going to do this, you stop wade and lebron fro teaming up, not a gasol and odom for chris paul trade
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 AM CST reply actions
there’s a big difference.
bosh, lebron, wade were all free agents
paul was dictating where he wanted to go while under contract
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
i dont even know anymore. but denver got a HUGE RETURN on that deal
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
The new CBA
reportedly has a Melo trade rule so teams can’t do that anymore.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
its a longer wait period
to make it harder for a trade and extend deal. Thats how Melo control his destination, by refusing to sign an extension if he got traded to anyone but the Knicks. That leverage is gone. Also, they tweaked the matching salaries part so that 20 guys don’t have to be traded for one guy.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
it was all bullshit
they all traded draft picks
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Here are the details. It was a S&T.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
LeBron, Bosh, Boozer, Amare, and David Lee
all changed teams via sign and trade
great point, stern could of veto'd
though i suppose they still sign but for less
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
Think it was Bosh
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
correct.
all Cavs got from Lebron leaving was a broken heart and a 14.5 mil trade exception.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Stern can't control this shit unless he gets rid of free agency and trading
there will ALWAYS be players who dont like their team and go play somewhere else, and there will ALWAYS be owners who prefer to get something in return rather than letting them walk.
Not in this case, because Miami had salary cap space for it. They had Wade, Bosh, and Chalmers under contract at the time. They traded for James, which left them with about 2 mil
They resigned Haslem with bird rights, and filled the rest of the roster out with the vet’s minimum.
Dan Gilbert is turning himself into an arch-villain along the lines of the Joker, or Penguin
He needs to go to NBA games wearing some sort of outfit next year. Like a White mask with comic sans writing all over it
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
To that end:
jrich23 Jason Richardson
Once again Buck Nasty a.k.a Dan Gilbert is letting his wrath being felt by being the main voice in the CP trade block.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Buck Nasty lol
Get him here NOW!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Sam Smith writes that Mark Cuban also was against the trade
The players are twitter drunk. Hopefully they won’t be sending cock shots to eachother.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
LOL
Buck Nasty! Dan Gilbert is a big time hater.
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
Dan Gilbert is just...A Butthurt idiot
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This douche is such a volatile owner for the league. He's single handedly driven this player vs. owner narrative the past year.
On the flip side, it just means that no allstar free agent will EVER play for him. Good luck running that franchise with 3rd tier players Danny Boy!
by rinconen on Dec 9, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Joakim on whether he ever tried tennis: "I played a little bit. If anybody on the Bulls wanted to play me, I would kick their ass."
well you got the clown part right
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think we will ultimately make a move to upgrade the SG spot
But the question is when? I know the Org does not let rumors teams blowing they’re wad force then into to irrational decisions. Up to this point they have appeared to want to compete for championships (2010 for example) since drafting Rose.
I would rather they make a calculated move than a bonehead one that essentially makes us the 2009 Cavs. So, for now they get the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn’t be shocked to wake up and see that we traded for Iggy or signed J Rich as much as K.C saying we stood pat.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
im keeping my expectations low
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I would love the Bulls to sign Hump or Landry
Then trade Gibson to the Grizz for Mayo, but thats just me?
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
sign BaB's man crush wilson chandler
and let Deng play more of the 4.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Nah, all the beat writers are starting with the same crap
about how the Bulls may not end up with anyone. It’s obvious that this is getting fed to them to dial down any expectations
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I want J Rich, but no way the Bulls can offer him 8 mil a year like Butler.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
if J Rich wants a ring, he will sign with us
if he wants the bigger contract, obviously, some team thats not going to be contention this year.
Yeah it's basically up to him.
If he signs with us he tilts the powerbalance in the east or he can get hella paid by the Nets lol
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
He's old enough that I think he wants a ring. If Dwight goes to NJ, and he's sure of that, it's not a bad offer to go there.
But it’s a risk in Jersey, especially with the move and Derron and Dwight. Cummon, Jason, we love you as long as Mr. Smith is still in Beijing!
yeah, for the last few hours all the beat writers and a few of espn's guys have been saying some for of the Bulls' front office thinks it would best to stand pat
and start the season with the same roster yaddayaddayadda luxury tax blahblah
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
I thinks that then countering J Rich and Crawford
trying make the most $ possible and signing with a contender. If Crawford and Richardson choose NJ and NO respectively for more $ then what can you do?
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
I think they're going to lull us to sleep
Then punch us in the face with a medium-sized move that’s unexpected.
thats like a boxer pulling off a rope-a-dope
but landing a jab instead of a haymaker. Awful.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
If we sign JRich, and the JR Smith becomes available, it's still possible to trade Brewer for him, right?
I get not jumping the gun, but getting value for your money is almost always a good idea. Jrich will be very easy to move, as long as he’s healthy
Oh, so because he's not under contract, as soon as he's in the NBA, anyone can sign him.
So basically if the Bulls can get him out of China, then they do a S&T with Denver.
Yeah basically.
If we use of MLE we can only sign him to the vet min.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
I'm just thinking if they're really thinking of JR, then they could sign a guy like Grant Hill to a mini-MLE and save the big MLE for JR Smith
But I think Smith will want more like 8M/year.
you can just not use the full MLE
the MLE is up to 5 million, but you can sign someone for 2-3 million if you want.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm far from as optimistic as you
I would be surprised if I woke up or even went thru the day and hear about blockbuster deal for us making a move for a SG. I honestly think the FO is content with where they are at. I have no real justification other than my conscience, but the Bulls just never give me that vibe of wanting to bring attention to themselves by doing something big. I just don’t get that feeling to be optimistic when it comes down to Gar and his checkbook.
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 1:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just think J Rich and J Crawford are out of our price range.
If they would sign for the MLE Im sure the org would pay it.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
We could've signed Butler
But he got shot with an arrow in the knee.
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 9, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tomorrow is gonna be quite a day for the NBA. Whether good or bad, at least we gonna be entertained.
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by macjack09 on Dec 9, 2011 1:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
By the way, I have a Journalism final tomorrow and I have barely studied due to all of this stuff
I’ll do it in the morning I guess
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Something I havn't heard today that kind of worries me: i've head nothing of Rose agreeing to an extension
there has been NO report that Derrick Rose has agreed to an extension. i’d love to see that meeting.
Gar Paxdorf: "So glad to be getting this done, this is big for all of us. We did offer a little less than what would be your max. It’s what your max would have been if the Derrick Rose rule never came about. The reason we’re asking your to accept a little less than you can is that we really want to maintain the important asset of financial flexibility.
D Rose: “ummm, well that rule is there because of me. i mean…well, i guess, if anything you’ll use the money youre saving on my deal to improve the team?”
Gar Paxdorf: “well, we actually did just bring in Luther Head to play the shooting gaurd position, we knew we needed an upgrade there. other than that, we probably wont be making any more moves. we really feel like the best thing to do is maintain the roster we had and give it another go. this also keeps us from having to pay the luxury tax, so we maintain financial flexibility going forward. Our top priority is your extension, and then we’ll be set to go”
D Rose: “umm….i really want to wee-un. so…if anything…could you maybe see if the Lakers are interested in a trade for me?”
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 1:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
dude, chill, rose is a loyalist, hes not like the current generation of players like melo, paul, LeBron
Rose has that old school mentality of being loyal to a team, of course he wants to win, but so did dirk nowitzki for a very long. im not saying rose will follow the similar fate like dirk but will wait as long as possible to win what we all win: a championship
yeah, i think so to honestly
what i wrote was mainly satire
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
what
rose is a loyalist
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
i don't remember that guy being very loyal to the brittish
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
next day's headline
KC Johnson Reports: Derrick Rose refuses extension, demands trade to Lakers
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
yeah they are
rose doesnt sexually assault women
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 9, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
nah, i think they would get along
and kobe seems to have alot of respect for rose. I mean, after all he was the one who told rose to develop a post-up game
Will Stern allow it?
Or will he realize that Asik is a WMD that cannot leave the Chicagoland area without proper clearance?
players strike begins!
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Don’t be surprised if a number of players around the league don’t report to camp tomorrow. Players and agents aren’t happy after CP3 drama.
Should've traded for Melo.
w/e, i just want the bulls to report to camp and act like nothing happened
and focus on gearing up to kick major ass this season. i want the bulls to become the assassins of the NBA
Jeez. I'll believe when I see it, but still, jeez.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
that was retweeted by players i think too
bjennings said something like “whos showing up to camps tomorrow?”
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 9, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
Also ya know, there really is no problem if the league and owners (owners of the Hornets) don't want to trade Chris Paul
Any owner can, and should be able to, veto a trade when it’s their property. The problem is the way this one went down. With the trade going through, and the league stopping it at the last minute because of where the player was going. That is an extremely dicey road to walk down.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 9, 2011 1:54 AM CST up reply actions
the problem here is a conflict of interest being both an owner of a single team and owners of other teams
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 9, 2011 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
Actually
We have no idea if “where the player was going” had anything to do with the veto.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
that doesnt seem right
the team owners got screwed in this as much as the players involved did. no sense taking anger out on them. the Hornets, Lakers, and Rockets were trying to get ready for their seasons and Stern told them “no”
by kpd on Dec 9, 2011 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
yeah and its really alot of immaturity based on the players part
those who dont show up are really being selfish
Boo hoo
Players failing to report might find themselves in failures to receive first paychecks on Jan 1.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
More Bad
Crawford and Richardson are in position to receive more lucrative offers than the mid-level exception from teams with salary cap space. The Bulls, sources said, currently have no plans for sign-and-trade transactions for those players.
The league source said the Bulls have discussed a one-year deal with Hill, 39. Such a move might make sense given that Derrick Rose’s maximum extension will begin in 2012-13 and create luxury tax concerns for the Bulls."
Oh well
I guess JR needs another .150 hitting DH or CF on his baseball team.
by Gentleman Jim on Dec 9, 2011 3:19 AM CST up reply actions
he would save money investing in cloning
and putting konerko in every position.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I like these steps by David Stern.
The owners are all about competitive balance, and these players are trying to fuck with that with this superteam fad. Stick it to these bitches DStern!
by dakoose on Dec 9, 2011 5:17 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
grant hill & vince careter for us?!?
by #1humblebot on Dec 9, 2011 7:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
We don't need them
The Bulls won 62 games with Boozer and Noah missing almost 60 games played last year.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Neither
I don’t think either player will help us to the extent that other options we could acquire could help us more. Nick Young is my top selection albeit more difficult as he is a RFA. Beyond that, signing nobody until JR Smith is available in March is the next best option.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I like Grant Hill but VC? meh
How about Billups? I doubt Billups will want chicago, but he can create and he can shoot. I hope he doesn’t go to Miami or LA
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