Microwave Rumors: Ronnie Brewer for Jamal Crawford being discussed
by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 10:22 AM CST
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PrintOne of the "he'll get ya' buckets" shooting guards on the market who best reflects the true meaning of that phrase -- shoots a lot, mildly inefficient, athletic, can't really guard anyone, has ballstopper tendencies -- is Jamal Crawford. The newest rumor producing a lot of smoke is a sign-and-trade deal with Atlanta that sends Ronnie Brewer to the Hawks, Steve Kyler tweeted (h/t: PBT):
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Steve Kyler Jamal Crawford is likely headed to Chicago in a sign and trade built around Ronnie Brewer.. if Atlanta backs away New Orleans in driver seat
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That description isn't a negative, but a pretty accurate assessment of Crawford -- that what you see is what you get. That he's a guy who can have a big game one night and be wildly brick-tastic the next. But what sets Crawford apart and ups his value to the Bulls is a size (6'5" to 6'7", depending on the source) which allows him to play three positions, along with his ball handling ability and history as a point guard.
Also, this isn't the same 20-year-old who started his career in Chicago. Crawford's shown over the last two season in Atlanta that he wants to play in this league for a long time by increasing his long-range shooting tendencies without losing aggressiveness. Crawford's 3P% last season (.341) dropped his career percentage a tad (.350), but that was after shooting .382 and .360 the prior two seasons on a team without inside threats to open up the outside. There's no question that Crawford will get better looks to catch n' shoot with this Bulls than at any point of his career.
Playing with the Bulls bigs and Derrick Rose is a tactic that can keep the 31-year-old Crawford valuable for a three-year stint. He isn't a great defender, but the athleticism, length, and aggressiveness can be utilized by Tom Thibodeau to make Crawford a defensive asset instead of a liability. Thibs has placed a phone call to Crawford, K.C. Johnson recently reported.
The question becomes whether Crawford and Kyle Korver are disastrous tandems on the wings when opponents have the ball. Without Brewer, Crawford or Korver would almost need to start to limit their playing time together -- maximizing time with Luol Deng or Keith Bogans on the floor with them. That said, Omer Asik and Taj Gibson and becoming brick walls, preventing opponents' from being anywhere near efficient when attempting to crash the basket, so -- again -- Crawford can look a lot better than he actually on defense because of his stature, the team's spacing, and the skill-set of his teammates that smaller defensive liabilities can't mask.
Another concern is Crawford as a chucker. He's only posted an eFG% over .500 twice in his career (.545 in 2001-02 and .523 in 2009-10) for a scary career rate of .476, which would be of greater concern if his career FT% was a lot lower than his .846 rate, keeping his TS% at a respectable .526. If he was a guy scoring less points than he was logging field goal attempts or still taking five mid-range shots a game -- as he did with Golden State -- this would be scary. But his efficiency's improved over the last two seasons, scoring 18 points in 14 shots per game in 2010 and 14.2 in 11.5 shots per game last season. These aren't the signs of a chucker, but of a veteran better actualizing on which spots on the floor he gets the best looks and manufacturing ways to get to the free throw line.
I'm weary to jump at a package including Brewer to get Crawford from the Hawks -- as Crawford likely wouldn't sign for the $5 mid-level exemption, when he can make maybe 50-80% more per season elsewhere. But this is likely because the Hawks are more interested in Brewer than Korver, so the wiggle room likely isn't there.
Consistent, trustworthy leaks over the past two seasons that Crawford's overwhelmingly eager to win a championship pushes me toward the fence of buying such a deal. But if Taj or Omer are demanded in the package, pretty sure the Bulls would be smartest to pass -- and we should expect they will. Also, neither Taj nor Omer make enough for a trade to be legal under the salary cap rules. The only package I can really see working out with the dollars is Korver or C.J. Watson in the package with Brewer; under which case, the Bulls begin shopping for another guard to come off the bench.
Though Nick Young would be a better option if the Bulls can't land Arron Afflalo, both of their ages will make them very expensive -- in terms of salary and the players whom their teams will demand. Crawford may end up being the safest sign-and-trade option, as trading for Young or Afflalo could cost the Bulls the height on which they depended to win 62 games last season and make the Eastern Conference Finals.
If you're hoping Crawford may miraculously be willing to take MLE money, it's wise to stop. The Nets, Hornets, Heat, Lakers, Mavs, Suns, Magic and Blazers are also interested, according to PBT.
Stats via Basketball-Reference.com.
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He made 10.8 mil last year.
So if its a sign and trade he’s looking to make a similar amount this year. He’s only had an ORtg better than his DRtg once in his career (09-10), the same year he had a career offensive season (57% TS%). Of all the SG’s available he’s likely the worst defensively and if Brewer is sent off then keeping Bogans is almost guaranteed.
I don’t know, it seems like an overreaction to the Miami loss last year. I can’t see Wade being bothered by Crawford at all on the defensive side of the ball.
Too costly
If anything, I could see losing Brewer for Crawford making the team worse. I’d rather have JRich, would can play half decent defense, likely at a lower cost for ’12.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 7, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Point well taken.
I’m really not optimistic that J-Rich can be had for the MLE. I may be wrong, though.
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Yeah, I see Brewer and Richardson
as a complementary SG tandem.
Bogans and Crawford…. wow.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah but Crawford/Deng, Bogans/Korver? Not so bad.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
bingo
especially useful for end of the quarter possessions, you can go small and have rose/crawford/korver/deng/gibson to get a bucket.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
only defense against that is bad shooting
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
That scope is incredibly narrow
and hardly justifies a thing
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 7, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
"Blogabull: We have a narrow scope"?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
I was adding to paddy's thing
not saying I would do it just for end of quarter possessions.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
This has been my thought all along.
I think Brewer for Crawford shows us as hell bent on making some kind of retaliatory move. That is, yeah, we need to do something in light of the ECF. Sure, we need to make a move, but not a backwards move.
That is a logic jump
So if its a sign and trade he’s looking to make a similar amount this year
Or he could be looking to make $6 million a year. The only thing a S&T ensures is that he wants a contract over the mid level.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
If you’re hoping Crawford may miraculously be willing to take MLE money, it’s wise to stop. The Nets, Hornets, Heat, Lakers, Mavs, Suns, Magic and Blazers are also interested, according to PBT.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
the MLE is $5 million
there is a wide gap between $5 million and $10.8 million.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Your logic is impeccable.
And yet I still don’t think he wants just 6 mil.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
thats about the max I'd go on Crawford
8mil
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
also, Bulls can trade Brewer/Lucas/Pargo
and pick up crawford on a 7-8 million sign and trade, Hawks would waive Pargo and Lucas immediately.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
watson/korver/bogans
could still be used as expirings.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
If they're not used in a trade now
they won’t be used at all. The Bulls are not going to carry Lucas and Pargo on the roster this year.
Also, not that this matters
but his salary last year was $10.08 million, not $10.8 million, according to Sham Sports.
hmm ok
I got the 10.8 number from basketball reference.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right, I saw that on there too, when I was looking at the page earlier.
Sports Illustrated also has him at 10.08, I’m guessing it’s just a typo on B-R.
the only teams on that list who could sign him for than the MLE
are the Hornets and Nets. Maybe the Suns.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
If we're talking S&T
then they can all get him for above the MLE.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
It might be something back-loaded to get near $10 in the final year
So in 2012, you’re looking at $6.5-$7.5, working upward. If the Hawks can get someone to deal, willing to rent Crawford, Crawford will likely pass. If they can get someone willing to pay him $12-$13m at the age of 35, so be it.
Also, I’m less worried about Crawford defense because of his size, aggressive, and what seems like a player serious about not wanting to be a bench warmer in the last two years of his deal. In this case, he’ll need a team that’s well-coached on defense and deep down low, so it shouldn’t be surprising that he’s so interested in the Bulls. I’m willing to take the criticism that I’m too optimistic here, though.
As for Wade, trading bigs for Young or Afflalo risks not being strong enough to get to the Heat anyway. Not saying it definitely makes the Bulls worse, but heightens that risk over trading defense on the wings. No one can defend D-Wade, but if that’s an imperative, no matter what the Bulls do at the SG position, I suppose you support the Bulls adding Delonte West to the mix?
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No one is going to stop Wade.
But there’s a difference between bothering him, which an injured Brewer was capable of in 16 mins per game last year, and letting him drive by, which is a Jamal Crawford patented move.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
If its Crawford, Bogans and Korver
for the bulls at the 2, then yes, I whole-heartedly support adding in Delonte.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
I’ve always liked delonte..
especially right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVA00Fngvmg
Good Grief. This season is coming down to this?
He took his what to where?!
better than last season or the year before
or the year before that
or the year before that
or the year before that
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coming down to this?
having essentially everyone back from a 62 win team plus a dynamic scorer? We have it so rough…
by Max830 on Dec 7, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not to nitpick, but I remember Jamal Crawford being closer to 6'5"
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 10:49 AM CST reply actions
You can look these things up...
He is 6’5.5" in shoes according to Draft Express. with an 8’6.5" reach.
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Would the Hawks go into the luxury tax for Brewer and Watson/Korver
if they aren’t willing to go into the luxury tax to sign Crawford? I mean, I don’t know. It seems like most teams are relunctant to pay the tax. They are paying Joe Johnson-Hinrich-Williams-Horford-Smith about $58 milllion between the 5. That doesn’t include Zaza at about $4.5 million, Teague, and whatever else they have on that crummy bench. Wouldn’t Atl just be better off letting Crawford walk?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions
there's something to be said, though
about the fact that the three combined are only guaranteed 500k for the 12-13 season. so maybe they don’t get the relief for 11-12 but then they can be wiped from the books.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Pretty sure Crawford doesn't want to stay there.
Hasn’t he repeatedly turned down much more sizely extensions over the last two seasons?
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no, i thought he wanted one
hawks were the ones unwilling to discuss it with him.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
They low-balled him when he wanted 4yrs/$50m
So the feeling seems to be mutual, I guess.
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The Hawks have two healthy guards on the roster right now in Joe Johnson and Teague
They’re gonna need to add players regardless. I think they’d love to have a guy like Brewer on a 2-year $9 million deal, the last year of which is non-guaranteed. We can throw in Pargo/Lucas to balance things out and then Atlanta can waive them.
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by Poloplaya14 on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know. I think the bulls can afford to give up brewer, and sign another defensive minded
wing, but I’m not sure if the ones that are available are as young or athletic as Brewer. The Bulls need at least another ball handler and shot creator other than Rose. I know there have been posts suggesting more cutting and movement on offense, but they won’t be able to get in sync with that kind of offense this season.
At least with Crawford teams sure has hell won’t leave him alone for a corner three, leaving more space for Rose and Boozer to work with. Who knows, maybe Butler could do an adequate job defending for 10-15 min as well.
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by BlackStar on Dec 7, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I can't remember if I like this Poopsworld guy or not
they’re all different in terms of rumor success rate.
I guess the more interesting thing is the interest in Crawford at all. The dollars and including Brewer is likely just going to have to be the case, Crawford is likely commanding more than the MLE, and Brewer would be fairly marginalized anyway, and you’d be sending either him or Korver.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Kyler doesn't bother me
It may Alex Kennedy that you’re thinking of as the poo-slinger over there.
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This guy is total bullshit from what I remember
In fact, I think he’s one of the kings of the Hoopsworld bullshit. The only reputable person on that whole damn site is Alex Kennedy , and I’m pretty sure that’s only because he orally pleases all of his sources
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have Brewer over Crawford.
People seem to just give up on Brewer. I don’t view Brewer as an upgrade, I view it as a change – and while you could say a change for the offensive would be helpful for a defensive minded team (and you might be right), I just feel for a team that relies so much on “chemistry”, why mess with it for something that is not a clear upgrade?
I understand most people probably view Crawford as a clear upgrade over Brewer. But I just think…. ugh… I don’t want to say “flexibility”, but:
Come March, don’t you think we could possibly sign one of the ex-nuggets, be it Chandler or JR? Don’t you think we could possibly finagle more on draft night by packaging Brewer (with a shorter contract then as opposed to now) and draft picks for a better SG, for a more clear cut upgrade?
I understand we “have a small window” and all that. But I just think Brewer’s defense is just as worthwhile as Crawford’s offense, while I also happen to think Brewer’s offense is better than Crawford’s defense. I think he was just slowed by injuries at the start, and then started to come around towards the end. I know he sort of disappeared in the playoffs, but didn’t Boozer? Didn’t Noah? Does that mean we trade Noah for Nene because Nene didn’t disappear?
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by dantheman3k on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Brewer is also our most efficient post player
sadly.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So was Jordan. Just saying.
He took his what to where?!
Indeed he was.
but no one really compares to him.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 8, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Bulls like the fact that Brewer can't shoot
Remember, he was an after thought in free agency when the Bulls signed him; they preferred JJ Redick. They tried to trade him last year for OJ Mayo. And now again they are trying to trade him. Each time they’ve been looking for more shooting and/or playmaking.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but it doesn't sound like they're looking for shooting
they want a playmaker, reportedly.
I actually agree that brewer would probably be a better option than a lot of these guys.
That’s another area where Thibs’ insistence on starting Bogans hurt us. It would’ve been nice to see what brew could do if given some real minutes. As of right now, it would be a huge gamble for the Bulls to bet on him as their starter, and I don’t blame them for looking elsewhere. But it could very well be that the best guy for the two was already on the team
Other than the poor shooting (which is a pretty big deal on this team), he’s basically the prototypical two guard
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
For real.
I like Brewer a lot. … I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Crawford, I think, if they earned the same amount of money.
Jamal Crawford? Come on.
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if you would have told me last season
I could have Crawford for Brewer, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry but Brew is a horrible shooter.
Whoever was guarding him completely ignored him when we were on offense. I like Brewer, but we need a playmaker to punish teams who double Rose as soon as he crosses half-court.
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by illwill on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
He's a great cutter though.
Makes up for being a bad shooter and that does punish teams for sagging off of him. Again, there could’ve been more of that and if he’s a Bull this year, I suppose there will be.
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You still need shooters to space the floor
Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah all do their best work near the basket. Brewer only is a threat within 5 ft. Cutters need space to move. With Brewer in the game, lane becomes super-congested.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but with the way the game is called (no touching!), it's hard to determine if that is even a detriment anymore
Particularly on a team like the Bulls
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yup, and I said as much
But like Alex said, that’s hardly the be-all, end-all. Brew does way too many thing well to be dismissed.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not trying to dismiss him,
Trust me I would love to keep him and sign Crawford outright. Maybe this is why the org is looking at Butler, Hill and Battier for the MLE
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by illwill on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is my point...
Crawford isn’t even that much better, if better at all, than JRich. Why would you give up Brew to get Crawford then?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
His role would be the same, if not, he could possibly get even more minutes. He would be the ONLY backup for JRich.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
So you assume that the Bulls would sign someone to take brewer's position.
Therefore, Brewer has no minutes now.
…
You see where I’m going with this?
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If the Hawks don't want Korver (which there is no indication they do), Brewer is clearly the only player on the Bulls that could match the salary even remotely and be a player the Bulls would part with.
Even if they put together a package like Korver-Expirings-Picks for Crawford, unless Brewer could play at the 3 (he played 1% of the team’s SF minutes with a 2.9 PER last year), the Bulls will need to get a backup for Deng. I’m not sure that Brewer would get many minutes, unless Crawford plays a bunch of PG. Brewer might be willing to take the scraps, but I’d guess he’d much rather have the chance to play more somewhere else. Frankly, I’d like to keep Brewer, but I don’t see how we get Crawford without him unless Atlanta loves Ashton.
Oh, whoops. I meant korver instead of brewer
but korver is super-situational so we’d need another backup anyways, heh.
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by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford has that "make three crazy shots at the end of the game" thing going for him, too.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Again, not sure.
Of course, if the difference is so marginal, standing pat is likely better than acquiring Crawford.
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by drock8686 on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I dont know why but I cant stop laughing at that
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by dantheman3k on Dec 7, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sidenote: just because he can't shoot doesn't mean his offense is bad.
(I know you never said that anywhere dantheman, I just wanted to get it out there.) He still works the baseline on offense better than almost anyone in the league. He flashes open all the time down there.
I really like Brewer, and I think this trade would be a mistake, even though it seemingly fits our need of another guard that can create in isolation.
by drock8686 on Dec 7, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
we're on the same page
Brewer isn’t worthless on offense, he just doesn’t provide nice spacing and is like a double-Deng in a sense. People think that makes him expendable, and it does to an extent – but he does everything else so well, it’s like because shooting is our weakness, people are completely downgrading Brewer’s value and how he contributes so well to EVERY OTHER FACET of the team outside of jump shooting.
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by dantheman3k on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Deng is a solid shooter and provides plenty of spacing
I would go so far as to say that Deng is the 2nd best shooter on the team after Korver.
But the ECF proved
That we need more that Deng and Korver to space the floor. With Noah not being a great post big, and Boozer being so hit or miss, you have to have three perimeter shooters to space Miami out. Also if Miami wants to play Lequeef on Rose and body up at half, you need one of those guards to be able to take over the offense, since boozer is on the bench and noah can’t. Brewer is great for team purposes during the regular season and in quarters 1-3, but in the fourth he’s not an asset as this team is currently designed. All that being said, I don’t see any free agents really to address that outside of maybe Caron IF he’s healthy.
Ugh, No.
If the Bulls trade Brewer for Crawford, just who are we depending on to guard opposing 2’s? Especially Wade? Bogans? Yikes… I know the Bulls need another guy who can create his own shot and hit 3’s, but they also need a guy who can play defense and Crawford is one of the worst defenders ever. He’ll make Boozer look like Kevin Garnett.
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by ThorCo on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
In defense of Crawford's defense
Crawford has not exactly played on any defensive juggernauts. Let’s take a look:
Atlanta has posted DRtgs(rank) of 106.7(13th) and 107(13th) the past two seasons. Crawford has posted DRtgs of 110 and 109 in those years.
From 05’ to ’08 he was with the Knicks. They posted DRtgs of 111.9(29th), 108.8(25th), 111.0(26th), 108.9(25th). Yikes! Crawford posted DRtgs of 115, 112, 112, 108.
Does this look promising? No, not really. However, Crawford has never needed to play defense before. Those Knicks teams didn’t play defense period. The ATL teams never asked him to play defense because he was meant to come in and score off the bench. He could learn to be a passable defender. In reality, all he has to do is be a noticeably better defender than Korver to be quite effective.
That said, Crawford’s defense in isolation numbers on synergy sports are just plain terrible, so perhaps he will suck.
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by DRose01 on Dec 7, 2011 11:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Isolation is tricky when evaluating would-be Bulls
When the Bulls play defense like they’re supposed to, no one’s ever truly isolated.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Fair enough
But being a good isolation defender is a hell of a lot better than being a sieve.
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by DRose01 on Dec 7, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bulls have to cover for Boozer now
playing like your supposed to with Boozer and Crawford…..going to be hard to do.
Crawford was on the Skiles Bulls squad
in 03/04 that was pretty solid defensively.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 7, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
True, but his DRtg was 105
(105 points scored per 100 possessions when Crawford was on the floor.) Additionally, that’s the best DRtg of Crawford’s career.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html
His DRtg since then has been in the 110-117 range.
I didn't mean to imply his defense was good
but, interesting stat. I think the Bulls led in OPP FG% that year, but the DRtg numbers help point that out. Not something I’d expect a vast improvement on, even under Thibodeau.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh
I had something more eloquent posted and lost it. Bottom line: defense is very team reliant. Crawford has always been within 3 points of his teams overall DRtg. Even Marcus Camby had some bad looking DRtg years because he was playing with a shit Toronto team. But his DRtg was always better than the teams as a whole. Crawford will make the team 1 to 3 points worse defensively per 100 possessions. The question is: in the Bulls system, can he make up for those points on the offensive end? That is a much tougher question. Perhaps with lower usage and more spot up opportunities he could.
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Yeah, I'm with you on those points...
(although I don’t know if I’m with you on using Camby as a defensive stalwart), but I think my answer to your question is “Probably not”. He’s only had an ORtg higher than his DRtg once in his career (with the Hawks two years ago).
Is that partially biased because he’s played on bad teams? Sure, I definitely concede that point. But if the Bulls use him the way that people are talking about on this board, he’ll play 28 minutes a game and do the same things he’s done his whole career. If the idea is to make Crawford into a low-usage, spot up opportunity player, you want a guy like Grant Hill instead, who can do those things without hurting your defense.
But I absolutely do see your point that he could improve the Bulls ORtg by becoming a little less of a chucker enough to offset his deficiency in defense. I just don’t personally see it happening.
Maybe this is why Thibs called him personally.
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by illwill on Dec 7, 2011 11:46 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
id rather swap crawford for korver
cuz then i can look at the trade as an upgrade (possibly), brewer for crawford imo is a downgrade in defense, unless thibs is under the impression he can make anyone except boozer and korver good defenders…brewer was the kind of defender the bulls hadnt had since the dynasty days, even when we had thabo, he was still in his cowardly lion form….
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by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I would assume if brewer goes
Jimmy’s brand of 3 and D gets more burn. We did draft him on guaranteed money, if the Bulls planned on letting him eat bench they could have traded down to the second round.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
theres no telling where butler is in terms of production right now
there was no summer league, there arent a lot of preseason games, there arent a lot of games in general. So theres no telling where he will be at. I think the bulls might make a play for a shane battier though, and maybe sign grant hill for the minimum…in which case…then the move makes a little more sense….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I wouldn't be too worried about letting "just" brewer go
I think its easier to get a veteran defensive wing on a minimum. Might even be VC.
Rose/Watson
Bogans/Crawford
Deng/Carter/Butler
Boozer/Gibson
Noah/Asik
Hill and Battier would be excellent backup 3s, but if crawford wants more than MLE money, I’m not sure the Bulls would then add an MLE contract after getting him. Probably just a minimum.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
why not
and if i remember right, even if the bulls sign a guy for the minimum, that ammount is still taken out of the mle until the mle is used up. So the bulls might as well exhaust the mle on one good player before signing a guy like hill to the min.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no im saying
adding crawford on a sign and trade for about 7-8 mil a year, plus a full or near full MLE of 5 mil minus brewers contract for a net add of almost 10mil seems like too much salary for the Bulls to “want” to add.
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Trading Brewer and Korver for Crawford is self-defeating.
You then become worse at defense and at shooting.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Other player would have to be Watson.
And then a back-up PG like TJ Ford would need to be signed for near or at the minimum.
i would do brewer and watson
and then use some of the dough for Ford and then trying vet min for Hill.
Jamal Crawford sucks.
Why not try to develop Ronnie and see what he is capable of rather than signing a guy that hasn’t proven a whole heck of a lot?? Seems like the organization is hell bent on turning the team upside down. Even our most prized players Rose and Noah aren’t safe. Remember how we won 62 games, and made it to the Eastern Conference Finals with several key players missing a fair amount of playing time due to various injuries?
He's proven that he can score
A lot…from the bench…And where the hell did you get the idea that Rose isn’t safe? He’s the ONLY guy that we wont trade, they said that multiple times
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by T.Moore on Dec 7, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im hoping this year we see if it does
last year was just a disaster yr for him heath wise
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was Booz's defense the reason why we lost? I think our problems were more offensive
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
although of course Boozer did keep getting pulled from games
so I’m wrong.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Our problems WERE offensive, I'm not denying that...
BUT, would the series have even been close if Brew and Bogans weren’t shutting down DWade?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
But Big Sexy is pretty good at defense and he’s not athletic at all
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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
i think its more that he moves hands very well
no ref ever notices the grabs, pulls, holds, and nudges he gives….until its too late
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by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Booz doesn't have the head for defense
He looks like freakin’ Drew Gooden out there. At least, that’s what I saw. Thibs said he was okay so I trust him but …
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Brewer's defense is pretty stellar
He was leading the lead over Dwight in some advanced metric (forget which now), and Hollinger put him on his all-nba 2nd defensive team.
I really don’t get the love for Jamal Crawful, but I will say in his defense that if anyone’s seen that crossover behind the back he likes to pull out in one on one isos, it’s one of the sickest moves in the NBA.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
Lol I love the top comment
“that was so nasty I switched to porn when my mom came in”
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Jamal is good at handling balls
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Holy crap, nice find!
He uses that cross to get free on fastbreaks quite a bit.
He also has a nice move that’s stolen from Iverson, where he’ll pull the ball across his body while yanking it over the defender’s head to get to the hoop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keAfGOt5yiQ&feature=related
I only notice these because I re-stole his moves to use in my rec league pickup games. Both are deadly.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
"Why not try to develop Ronnie and see what he is capable of"
Develop what?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
it's not like he was a total black hole on offense
The only thing he can’t do is shoot long range jumpers. His IQ on the offensive end and ability to cut the baseline is unmatched by anyone else I’ve ever seen.
He also had some pretty thunderous dunks last year
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
i could see him as a legit threat on a team with better floor spacing or like a point forward or something
somewhere that the offense flowed through other guys but you couldnt lose track of him…people remember the heat series most and it was when other guys were just atanding around that brewer was really ineffective
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by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
You need to settle, brotha.
Ronnie had some nice showings last season. Jamal Crawford isn’t the worst player out there, but IMO he isn’t good enough right now to just automatically sign him and release or trade other young pieces of this team. If you want somebody new, why not Igoudala and/or JRich??
Jamal Crawford!? Seriously???
Crawford
Just doesn’t seem right. I don’t get excited when i hear his name being linked to the Bulls. I’d rather they give Brewer a chance to start and see whether he can do it. If not, then they can still sign JR smith or Wilson Chandler by March.
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by BULLysh on Dec 7, 2011 11:49 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
i say do it if we keep bogans (yes i want bogans)
knowing thibs (ok, i dont know this fool) he will make jamal a decent if not good defender, and keeping bogans on the team will be good when he plays with the lineups. Plus if jamal is slippin, what makes him work harder? getting yelled at or seeing the worst offensive 2 guard (that defends better than most 2 guards) taking your minutes? I mean, if that doesnt make Crawford buy in, i dont know what will.
plus like i said before, he’s been a team player the last couple years..might bitch and moan before the season starts but once it does, he balls man. Ive been watching Jamal and ive been real impressed…plus, and most important, if we just trade him for Brewer, not only does that keep the team intact but we have legit trade pieces for Dwight.
also he’s not a washed up Tmac, Vince or j. Rich, but you can say he’s like a younger better version of J. Rich w/o the highlight dunks..u know, hits the 3’s makes buckets and can switch btw the 3 and 2
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wow
man, i just looked it up and your right….well i guess dunking 80% of your time in the league really does wear you down
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by Belize on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
its what happened to vince carter
he got jumpers knee
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
agreed he's a little wild but he balls its not like he's a primadonna
esp like the analysis that he’s picking his spots more as he gets older
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by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure why someone hasn't mentioned this, but...
Is there any way we can get Kirky back in the deal?
its not possible
i tried to figure out a way (of course), his contract is too big, and since its unsure how much crawford will be demanding, i think brewer alone wont cut it, it would have to be like brewer, pargo, and maybe even bogans to boot depending onteh salaries. I dont think theres anyway a team can amnesty a player and then trade the right to bid for him or something weird like that, so yea….only way bulls can pick up kirk is if he is amnestied and no other team on waivers picks him up…and as much as blogabull hates kirk, unless he continues to decline offers himself, i doubt he makes it to us….not this year at least.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
blogabull hates kirk?
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by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
I remember this!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
ur the one who originally found this right
im not sure if u made it…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
sam smith had a decent looking trade in his last post
for KH12
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, hell no. KH12?
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
sounds like a virus from hell lol
MIA cuz I just got a ps3....BONG!
by Belize on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's right, I went there.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
yea but now add say 8 million (which might be what crawford wants to sign and trade with atlanta for)
and unless…..wait a minute
what if the bulls sign and trade caron butler for the full mle while jamal crawford is sign and traded….
cuz full mle is about 5, plus brewers 4, yes yes…that can work
and then have hill sign for the minimum (we dont need an mle to sign players to a minimum
rose-36/hinrich-12
crawford-32/korver-6/hill-6/hinrich-4
deng-32/korver-6/hill-10
boozer-32/taj-16
noah-32/asik-16
rose gets 36 minutes, rest of the starters get 32, and role players get 16 minutes…ideally…of course due to matchups and who is playing well minutes would be cut around but….yea thats a nice team
GET IT DONE
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
or do we
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ur not looking at the big picture
kirk hinrich brings far more humor to this blog than cj watson ever could….think of the joy!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this kinda joy more...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTltJoTJEs0
Look whos guarding him!!!!!!!! JOY!!!!
by Gen on Dec 7, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
i just thought up a good possibility
trade brewer for crawford….and then pick up shane battier for mle?
that…..actually could work. Jimmy Butler probably doesnt have the phsicality to be a great defensive sf, but might just be lean enough to stick on sgs as a defender, and shane can guard the bigger stronger wings anyway….in that case id do the move…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Is Grant Hill as good a defender as Shane?
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
more injury prone
thats for sure, but i think he might also be signed for like the minimum. Having crawford, battier, and hill is not really a bad trio of free agents.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
But reports indicate that the Heat are the front runners to sign Battier.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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yeah, Crawford and then signing Battier for vet min would be awesome
liek I said, I love Brewer on what he brings on defense but we seriously need to get a SG to relieve Rose on some his duties. I want Rose fully rested and I hate seeing the guy carry the burden to score on 60 percent of the all damn plays i nthe game
i dont think battier would sign for vet minmum
i think he might demand the full mle, he will have that many people seeking after him, i think hill is more likely to sign for the vet minimum….
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fine, but I'm not really feeling the idea of 'complementary' acquisitions
isn’t that the problem we had with Brewer/Korver? Only one guy is playing in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
battier isnt completely
one dimensional, he can shoot the ball and has developed a little post game as well….
in that since, crawford and battier are upgrades over brewer and korver. Crawford can handle the ball, create his own shot, and score, and at least physically is more of a defender than korver, and battier can defend and has the ability to stretch the floor.
Also, in the 4th quarter i doubt battier would be in the game, i think our closing lineup would be our starting lineup in rose/crawford/deng/boozer/noah or maybe if defense is a priority you sub boozer with taj or asik. I think that lineup beats the heat
battier would be more of a backup for deng, and hill would be more of a 7 or 8th man if defense is neccessary….
its not like there are a lot of two way players available. Jrich might be THE closest thing to a two way player, and he comes with his own red flags….
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by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you're picking up Battier for the MLE, what's the point?
Might as well just have Deng, Brewer, Korver, and Battier rotating on the wings with Watson as a small lineup option.
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i think in this regular season
having a deep roster will play more into success than in a regular 82 game season. Especially looking at the long streaks of games we will be playing right off the bat. Also the more assets we collect now, the more we have to deal out by the trade deadline. At least thats how i am looking at it. Hill nor battier are guys who really complain about anything, so i think having them is a nice luxury for the bulls, one that can also be flipped to help upgrade other areas if a chance exists…..the only reason one should never have too many good players is if there is a chance that it will disrupt chemistry, and i certainly think battier and crawford can coexist on this team since they both provide completely different services to the team, and hill is just a nice vet who probably is in ring chasing mode by now
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by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the regular doesn't matter.
Acquiring a SG is all about one specific 7 game stretch against one specific team.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you keep saying this?
That isn’t true.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
because most people feel its the Bulls vs. Heat
that no other Eastern Conference team can touch those two. So most people are thinking of plans to defeat the Heat, not just be good. I agree with Jockstrap, beating the Heat is what matters. They are the roadblock.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
keeping our team healthier than the heats team
also plays into that right? Having a good deep team doesnt automatically mean you can only dominate the regular season. Especially in this shortened season, having crawford is great, but having boozer and noah and deng healthy come playoff time should also be a key to not just being the heat,
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by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't understand what you are saying
why would getting crawford hurt our chances of keeping Noah, Boozer or Deng healthy? From what I understand, this trade is just Crawford for Brewer and spare parts. So how would the Bulls be sacrificing depth in anyway?
Of course if the Heat suffer injuries the Bulls would have an advantage and vice versa. But I think what Jock is saying having all the depth in the world didn’t matter last year, because our best 5 couldn’t beat the Heat’s best 5. Our SG should give a chance to close the gap. If our plan is to sit around and hope for a Heat injury, we might as well not do anything.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
huh
im speaking in general…having a deep isnt a bad thing, and if you have crawford then you could argue we have that team capable of beating the heat already, adding more players doesnt actually hurt.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Until they know how to play D (Which is never)
I sleeping on them
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
nah man...they gonna be good this year
and even if there D sucks, we still gonna be in a shootout. we need rugers
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Sorry if I have.
Its just that the Bulls current team proved that the can be the best regular season team, if its about the regular season, why change? There is no question that the Bulls will be a top 4 seed in the East. And it doesn’t matter which seed that is if they have the right match-ups for the playoffs.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Well, assuming the Eastern Conference runs directly through Miami,
it isn’t quite literally, but it is.
Bulls are bringing jamal and grant hill
I just feel it
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 7, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And if Brewer is the only cost, so be it.
This team’s a championship contender. Might as well take a chance with the space/maneuverability they have.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
if they brought in Crawford and Hill
someone would have to go, not enough minutes for all those guys.
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Bogans.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There would be enough minutes
SG: Crawford (28), Korver (12), Hill (8)
SF: Deng (32), Hill (10), Butler/Korver (6)
This assumes that if the Bulls sign Hill to the MLE, they don’t have Bogans any more.
by kozzer on Dec 7, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You could even
still play CJ a little bit at the two, instead of Hill since he is more of a SF, and then basically just make Korver SG only.
you're definitely right
I totally misread what fatheart wrote, I thought he wanted to keep Brewer while adding Crawford and Hill.
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am i the only one thinking hill doesnt need a ton of minutes
crawford-32/korver-8/bogans-4/hill-4
deng-32/korver-8/ hill-6/butler-2
total:
crawford-32
korver-16
deng-32
hill-10
bogans-4
butler-2
in the playoffs, you cut butlers minutes and maybe even bogans and spread them around…
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i would cut Bogans and Butlers minutes
and get grant up to 16
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Hill would want to play good minutes, though.
And Thibs favors veterans, especially smart ones who play good D. Hill fits that bill.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
no way Hill comes here to play 10 minutes
I can tell you that now. Hill still thinks he is a high level player and the reason he would be coming to Chicago is to contribute to a championship team, not just be on a championship team.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
10 minutes isnt contributing?
and thats more or less for the regular season, in the playoffs the rotation would obviously shorten, hill would probably get all of bogans and butlers minutes or something…and if crawford was extra sucky in any game, im sure hill could get some of his minutes…u know…those minutes arent set in stone…i think hill more wants to play for a championship team, i dont think he wants to be a star player…hills old enough, injured enough, and just about good enough to be a rotation player on a championship team, if he feels otherwise then he really should look somewhere else
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Grant Hill has played 29 or more minutes a game the last 8 seasons
but yeah, I’m sure he’ll be happy with 1/3 the minutes. I mean, he such a good guy!
Grant Hill played the last 2 seasons for the Suns. I live in Phx. Grant Hill wants to play, period. He wants to be involved, he wants his minutes. He talks openly about the joy he gets from being on the court after the years of his injuries. His strong point is that he is willing to do what the coaches want. But he isn’t coming to Chicago to play 10 minutes a game. If it was all about championships, he wouldn’t be still considering Phx.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
he doesnt hate pheonix, so thats why hes still considering it
if he comes to the bulls its to be a role player, im not sure how he could think otherwise. Hes not getting 29 minutes here, and if he gets 16 minutes in the playoffs, im not sure hes exactly getting screwed either. Im not suggesting the bulls get him and sit his ass on the bench where there will be a question of whether he plays or not, but to my knowledge we have a capable starting sf, and we are searching for a starting sg. Hill ISNT a starting sg we need, even if he could play that position, which i am not sure he can, he is not what this team is looking to hang its hat on as its new starter.
So yes, if you ask me hill gets role player minutes, and last i checked thats about 12-18 minutes a game depending on the situation. If you want hill as a 25 plus minute player on this team…im not sure what to say to you…unless we are depleting all of our healthier and younger wings….i dont see a need for hill to get more than 20 minutes on this team, in a shortened season, when nagging injuries occur a lot more often
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I don't even want Hill, although he brings some good qualities
I’m just telling you he expects to play more than 10 minutes a game. Why wouldn’t he? He had a solid year. He averaged 13 pts a game, played 30 minutes a night, had a PER of 14.7 and played excellent D all year. Why would that guy want 10 minutes a night? Why wouldn’t you want to give him 10 minutes a year? He had a better year than Crawford who we are about to give our starting job too! And unlike Crawford, he can actually guard Kobe!
I think he expects to be the first wing off the bench if he goes to a new team. If he stays in Phx it will be because he can get 25 to 30 minutes a night and still play.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
"why wouldn't you want to give him more than 10
minutes a night?" I meant
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
in that group of sg's
We should keep bogans over korver. He’s. Cheaper and plays good defense. Crawford negates Korver because they’re probably just about even in shooting ability and Crawford’s better at everything else.
by MartyMondays on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling they'll do something like that
Why just trade Brew for Jamal when you may get a guy who can play D and score as well. Grant hill injury history kinda scare me tho
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Still, shortened season could play into Hill's strengths.
And such movies might yield the most complete team in the league:
C: Jo/Asik
PF: Booz/Taj/Jo
SF: Deng/Hill/Korver
SG: Crawford/Korver/Bogans/CJ
PG: Rose/CJ/Crawford
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, that's a great level of balance there
and it’s not even counting the return of Kirk Thomas (hopefully) or the rook.
I actually think this is the move...
Crawford gives the Bulls that secondary ball-handler at 2 & is a deep threat. Battier gives the Bulls a solid back-up defender on the wing, who can also stretch the floor by hitting the corner 3. Thibs would be able to play all combinations of defense and shooting by keeping one of Battier or Deng on the floor with Korver & Crawford, which would help to cover the weaker defender.
I am liking this idea…and the depth is intact, with Taj, Asik, Korver, Bogans, Watson and Butler off the bench…
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, Crawman fits the need at #2 for this team, and Battier is Thibs type player
Battier one of the smarter basketball minds on the floor, very clever, hard-nosed, and knows/does all the little things. Good team player, tough and dependable. And he does hit that corner 3 very well.
Crawford
Ugh not a fan of this move if it is made. However I’m hopeful that Thibs and the rest of the team’s ‘defense first’ attitude will rub off on him.I also think he’s too much of a ballstopper.
Also, Thibs the ’D’Antoni of Defense’ when it comes to coaching. Is it possible to win with this mindset?
Thibs may be able to implement some decent offensive schemes too
we know he has a fetish for defense but I believe he will have better plays that will include Boozer. Last year, there were very few plays with Boozer and Rose, but if Thibs can somehow develop a nice combination play with those two, then you can bet our offensive efficiency stats will go up .
They should run
The high screen and roll with Booze far more often. They would gel really well IMO.
right, but rose needs to practice with boozer more often
Last year injuries really slowed down Boozer playing time with Rose and people really undermine that. They dont realize Rose had very little playing time with Boozer before the season even started.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 7, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what does this mean
if Atlanta backs away New Orleans in driver seat
it makes it sound like NO wants Brewer.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
TrueHoop post from Abbott
About the value of Afflalo, relative to a guy like Crawford (article):
As a result [Afflalo] is, as Hollinger, says, that he’s the fourth or fifth option offensively. Perfect. Every team has to play five guys at a time, and they can’t all lead. Few teams have players who are optimized to be the fourth or fifth player on offense — someone who can be on the court not doing too much on offense, making great decisions, while the team runs smoothly.
It’s easy to imagine a more skilled player like Jamal Crawford could do more to help a team get buckets. Would your team score better with Crawford or Afflalo on the floor? Crawford surely has far more scoring talent, but Afflalo’s the guy who led the NBA’s best offense in minutes played last season.
by bryield on Dec 7, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
why keep posting stories about afflalo if the bulls will never get him?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Because I think it contributes to the conversation about Crawford,
particularly as it relates to what he’s likely to contribute to the offense. But, if you don’t like it, simply don’t read it. I don’t care.
i think we all would prefer affalo
but if that means we gotta give up more peices i rather a miss just brewer than taj and brewer or something of that nature
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by Belize on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is key for when Rose is off the floor
Crawford would be much better than Afflalo in bringing some scoring.
Yes, it was fun instead seeing the bench mob hold everyone to 2 points over 10 minutes last year, but I’m not sure that’s sustainable.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly
Abbott’s defense of Afflalo’s value as the fourth/fifth option on offense is spot on; however, the Bulls probably need someone who can ‘carry’ the scoring load for small stretches during a game. With that said, obtaining Afflalo would be nice, but pretty unlikely.
assuming the bench will have another tremendous defensive season is a dangerous plan. last season was special.
we need to improve our 2nd team scoring considerably to prevent a defensive regression from being a problem.
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by MarketMaker on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In a typical season I might agree with this.
With a compressed schedule and little time to prepare for the season, I’m thinking consistent defense will be more valuable (and easier to coach) than offense this year.
Yup
Crawford can do what Watson did last year, except he’d actually do a good job of it.
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by Poloplaya14 on Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh so he can be extra good at passing to korver?
If Watson would just take charge while rose is off, he’d be a better fit then crawford.
by Gen on Dec 7, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's hardly all Watson did
If it was, he wouldn’t have posted a career high 21.4 USG% last year. He tried to be a instant-offense Jason Terry/Ben Gordon/Jamal Crawford type, and he failed miserably at it.
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by Poloplaya14 on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Most of those shots your talking about were Bailouts
Our bench offense broke down too often. That wasnt cj’s fault.
Unless your saying its his fault he’s not rose.
by Gen on Dec 7, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah a lot of them were bailouts
But that’s what you bring in a guy like Jamal Crawford for. When the offense stalls, he has the ability to pull off a quick crossover and step-back for a decent shot at a bucket when the shot-clock’s winding down. Watson failed miserably at being that guy.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I think he tried to be Derrick Rose
And failed at it
Of course I think there are about 3 players in the league who can do anything close to what Derrick Rose does last year, which is why I think his MVP award was deserved.
Well maybe, but my bar for him wasn't nearly that high
I didn’t want him to be Derrick Rose. I was actually hoping he could be a poor man’s version of Jamal Crawford. At the end of the day, he couldn’t fit the bill. So now that we have a chance to get the actual Jamal Crawford, I’m in favor of it, as long as the price doesn’t end up being too high.
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62 wins is not "sustainable?"
He took his what to where?!
i hope not
crawford seems like the anti bull. i dont want a guy that maybe gets hot or maybe costs us a game
Rams Bulls and Mets allllllllll day also i do love white castle
he was already a bull under a more of a defensive hard ass in skiles
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by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
and Pax couldn't wait to get him out of town
I think Crawford isn’t ‘anti-Bull’ in personality (which matters, to them), but just the defensive commitment. He doesn’t seem to have gotten more willing with age. Relying on the Thibodeau effect may be enough though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
are you buying into thibs magic dust
theory?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know, it seems like a stretch with Crawford, doesn't it?
I wonder how Gar Paxdorf feels about the theory.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
crawford certainly has the physical gifts needed to be a solid defender
but even the atlanta fans found him to be completely lacking on the defensive end…even when woodson was there and was preaching defense….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
but
the Hawks weren’t exactly known for buying into anytthing their coach said right?
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im not sure tbh
i only started visiting the blog after hinrich ended up their…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I just always remember hearing stuff
like how Smith never stopped shooting long shots, everyone plays Iso stuff like that
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Smith gets slammed for his shot selection
I think the iso stuff is more by design than ignoring the coach.
I feel like Boozer
seemed to round the theory out a little bit. He didn’t improve as a defender, he played like he always played because by the 8th year of your career, you are who you are.
Crawford is who he is. He doesn’t have the base of a good defender, I’m not sure there’s much for Thibs to work with.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well, he played for NY, GSW and hawks if I am correct
None of these teams are serious about D… Or anything
And they let crawford go because BG was a cheaper option with similar talent
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 7, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm indifferent on this one
I realize that Brewer will never be an offensive juggernaut, but his defense was almost as important as Deng’s last season and for the most part did a great job of making Wade his whippin boy during some games that season. Crawford is without a doubt a major drop defensively, but his offense is needed. I just wonder can Crawford have the impact offensively that Brew had defensively or if he can actual commit to playing a little defense.
Just kind of seems like a lateral move, but if its made I can understand why. I’ll wait till it happens before I actually buy into it though.
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by macjack09 on Dec 7, 2011 12:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Do we....
trust Thibs’ ability to coach Crawofrd to be a defender and get in line with the team mantra OR Brewer’s ability to gain offensive skills by playing more/starting?
Fair enough. But my wonder isn’t if Thibs could teach Crawford to be a defender as much as would Crawford be willing to become more of a defender? I have faith in Thibs as a defensive coach, its JC I don’t know about.
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by macjack09 on Dec 7, 2011 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It worked for Ray Allen...
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 7, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're comparing Deng and Brewer
I felt Deng might have been the true MVP of the team
ok, thanks
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
see, you did it, sin!
talked out of your ass to get replies. Leave that to me, thanks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
at least i don't write entire posts out of my ass :X
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 7, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm just a fan of snarky back-and-forths
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah we're all family here right?!
No hard feelingsssss
….unless you’re souleater…
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 7, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
ok ok, i confess
I AM SOULEATER BITCHES!!! fuck rose, THAT SKITTLE LOVING BASTARD!
by Geo4MVP on Dec 7, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if that's true. I had a theory for a while that Belize was SoulEater.
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who does care?
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We can too
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I truly doubt that
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by illwill on Dec 7, 2011 12:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I cant see it
I dont want Asik gone…His D can change games
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no, i dont think that will happen with boozer recent injury history
Noah and Boozer are injury prone and we need those guys to be on this team as long as possible.
No no no no no no no
I hate it. I don’t want to get rid of Ronnie, and if Crawford is getting lit up by whomever he’s guarding, we have to bring in Bogans? He also has no leadership whatsoever. What can he do that JRich can’t? Chuck?
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 PM CST reply actions
We have Jo Deng and Rose for Leadership
We don’t need him for leadership
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by T.Moore on Dec 7, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
They're not veterans...
JRich could actually teach these guys a thing or two, and he’s been a part of two fairly decent playoff runs. And we wouldn’t have to give up Brew.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be mad with either one
Jo Deng and Rose have enough experience to be leaders on this team…I wouldn’t be mad with either one…But still we have leadership already with those 3, why should a lack of leadership be a problem if we already have leaders
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For all we know
we could still sign a defenise wing after this…So if we do that i wont be mad
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Maybe I just really don't like Jamal Crawford, or maybe I just really like Brew...
But I don’t see why Crawford is worth getting over JRich when it involves getting rid of your best perimeter defender.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm kinda in this boat
Thibs has done some great work on the Bulls defense, but I think having both Crawford and Boozer in our starting lineup is asking too much.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, if its Crawford and Bogans
Then the starting lineup is the best lineup for Bogans 15 minutes.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
i like
Thibs got his team a chemistry set for Christmas
by livesinnoahsbasement on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM CST reply actions
Gracias
Thought so, but I was just listening to an interview where I thought I heard the person imply the opposite
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot all about Reggie Williams
I have no clue how he is as a defender, but I remember him being a pretty solid offensive threat. Why isn’t he brought up more (in general, not just around here)?
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt he's seen as a true difference maker against a team like the Heat
you’re counting on him continuing to improve. he isnt a great defender but part of that could be team situation
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by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
he seems like Anthony Morrow-ish
I mean, being able to score a lot is pretty useful sometimes
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but then we’d have another albatross contract
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
but one that will actually produce and is less likely to be on the bench during crunchtime and injuries
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 7, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Boozer's a more efficient player
Here’s last year’s comparison: http://bkref.com/tiny/pL09U
Their careers: http://bkref.com/tiny/pZxRF
3-point shooting and health are the only advantages Johnson has and he’d get the ball a whole hell of a lot less in the backcourt with Rose.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Boozer can create his own shot.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
on top of that, people are ignoring the fact boozer was never utilized correctly
Rose needs to do a better job with w. Boozer.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
That 1-4 pick n’ roll should dominate. Rose tended to hold the ball too long after using picks. Not saying he can develop Deron Williams’ timing, but Boozer’s still an elite roll man. His ability to knock down 9-15-footers make him very tough to defend, as Rose is so fast and no one should be able to switch/show-double without Boozer torching them.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Why get smaller while adding nothing and losing rebounding?
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
i can imagine the call to the hawks front office
“gimme dat shit for our shit”
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Johnson adds nothing?
he’d be perfect next to Rose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
we might even get to see more jomer
with a Rose/JJ backcourt.
no dunks ever.
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wow you're on my side for once?
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 7, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Johnson in his prime would've been perfect next to Rose
But as I mentioned in some other thread, he fell off a little bit last year, and that he may never get back to playing at the level he played at during his prime.
Pat Riley is the devil.
He turned 30 in June, and most guards decline significantly after the age of 30
Everybody’s different, and Joe Johnson might have a few all-star caliber years left in him, but I’m wary.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Boozer's production as a #2 usage guy is the same as Johnson's as a #1
Why have Boozer points come from further away from the basket, requiring more shots to get there? As inconsistent Boozer was finishing at the rim, he’s the easiest bucket on the team. You don’t trade easy buckets and rebounding for tougher buckets. Sure, you add shooting, but that’s it. Shooting never makes up for Boozer’s offensive efficiency, especially when you figure that Johnson’s usage would make his total output even lower and therefore much more overpaid than Boozer.
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what a concise and well though out argument..
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by obnoxious american on Dec 7, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whats he talking about with New Orleans and Atlanta at the end of the tweet?
Is NO after Crawford?
I guess?
New Orleans could use a shooting guard…..but after David West and CP3 leave, they could use about 4 other positions on the court too. All the talk on ESPN is that they want either Steph Curry or Eric Gordon in a trade, so……so I have no clue what they are thinking. I don’t think either of those guys would be a good fit with Crawford. I wish the NBA would go ahead and sell that team already.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
re: Steph Curry/Eric Gordon, I meant that they were looking for those guys in a CP3 trade
sorry, I wasn’t clear at all.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
The only good thing about that
is that theoretically Crawford could get better on defense, while Korver’s as good as he can get. But if Crawford isn’t going to try in the playoffs for Atlanta, why should we expect him to do so for Chicago?
I hope we don't lose anyone to NO
Technically the bulls owns that shit
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 7, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think, honestly, while acquiring a new 2/3 is optimal, trading for one is not
In my opinion, if we played the Heat tomorrow, there’s a strong chance that we come out victorious. I’d say it’d be a tough job to beat the Heat, but that doesn’t imply that we’re not good enough to beat them or win a championship, which is the attitude most people here have, and thus the belief that we NEED a new player is fueled. If you look at the film from the series, we easily could have one if 1) Rose made better decisions and 2) Boozer played to expectations.To be frank, I view all of this as unnecessary.
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by dantheman3k on Dec 7, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls could have won if
anyone on the Bulls not named Rose could make a damned shot once in a while.
- glares at Kyle Korver *
Honestly, even though the games are close, there were a number of reasons the Bulls lost last year. I give Boozer a partial pass because he was playing on turf toe, but nobody else stepped up and by the 4th quarter when they kept giving the ball back to Rose, eventually he stopped looking for anyone else.
Plus, LeBron made some crazy-difficult shots late in those games.
Some points
1. Thibs started Bogans to help cover Rose’s defensive deficiencies. Rose has improved, but I think Thibs still wants a defender next to him so Rose can take the easier match-up.
2. Crawford has settled into a bench scoring mode meaning Bogans still probably starts, and I can’t see Crawford and Korver on the floor for long stretches.
3. I made a point of watching Crawford in the playoffs and he put forth no effort on defense. Almost every time down he was slow to locate his man and then let him drive right by as he swiped and missed at the ball. At least Korver looks like he’s trying.
by El Toro de Goro on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think Thibs started Bogans
because he could shoot AND play D. I don’t think it was because of Rose’s D. Brewer can only play D, Korver can only shoot.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 7, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
If he wanted defense, he would have started Brew, because he’s the teams best perimeter defender.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 7, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
But Brewer...
was injured at the start of the season, so Bogans got the job by default. After that I think Thibs continued to start him to preserve chemistry on a team that was playing well. Brewer was clearly better by the end of the year.
by El Toro de Goro on Dec 7, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I remember reading somewhere that Thibs started Bogans so he could set the tone for the refs
Bogans would start the game by playing really tough physical defense, and it wouldn’t matter at all if the refs whistled him six times in the first quarter, especially if they were non-shooting fouls, because he wasn’t expected to be needed for the rest of the game anyway.
Then after Bogans had set an anchor for the refs to go by, Brewer could come in and do his thing without having to worry about the whistle.
Probably one of many few reasons to start Bogans, but it’s not like saving Brewer’s fouls is all that important either. I do wholeheartedly agree that Brewer is light years ahead of Bogans as a basketball player.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
Here's the one thing I like about Crawford
the no other FA SG besides Mayo would bring to the table… he can handle the ball. He’s not the greatest PG but he does have the ability to bring the ball up and take some pressure off of Rose which I think is just as important as finding a scorer. Also with his size and length, it does allow you to put him on certain players because he can defend 3 different positions. Is he a great defender? Of course not. But he does add two skill sets that we desperately need. Scoring and ball handling.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 7, 2011 1:39 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I totally agree the team needs someone to bring the ball up the court.
Besides Rose. Its really remarkable that this skill is completely lacking in the 3 current shooting guards.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
especially considering that Ronnie played as a point guard sometimes at Arkansas
It really seems like one of the most basic tools to have if you’re going to be a guard in the NBA
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 7, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
id prefer mayo
to crawford……and using the mle to fill out whatever is missing….or that iggy trade…..i think trades should be used to get our starter, and the mle should be used to replace or stop gap whatever we lost in the trade. trade taj, sign a backup big, trade brewer, sign a defnesive wing, trade korver, sign a scoring wing…etc….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 7, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
mayo is their 6th man and you can bet those bastards are going to demand asik
im seriously thinking the griz will ask TOO MUCH for mayo
yeah and because everybody remembers his promise coming in, someone will pay their asking price
i really dont see us getting mayo
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by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
and remember, the griz GM doesnt like Bulls for soem reason
w/e, screw them and lets just sign A DAMN SG for petes sake.
Yeah I really like the fact that he could also serve as backup PG
I would like to not have to see CJ Watson take the court.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Dunno how to feel about this.
Brewer has been a huge asset on the defensive side of the court and he gets his points on the offensive side with those baseline cuts and mid-range shots. He is not as talented as Crawford, but he is tough. He shut Wade down last year. In my mind, Brewer is a huge part of defeating the Heat.
I really, really cringe at the thought of Korver and Crawford on the same team though. I have never really felt great about Korver; he plays limited minutes, runs screens like a madman, and ultimately ends up 1/4 from 3pt range unless he gets hot. Admittedly, he was the main offense of the bench mob and it’s not a role he is cut out for. But you limit the…possibilities of whom you can put on the court together. If the do follow through with the deal, it will be up to Crawford to play up to the expectations. But of course, is that not how it always is? I dunno…we’ll see I guess.
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Questions..
If we use a sign and trade for Crawford, can’t we still use the MLE on Caron Butler?
And wouldn’t Butler kinda offset the loss of Brewer?
by Ceasaleo on Dec 7, 2011 2:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7327741/tracy-mcgrady-agrees-atlanta-hawks-one-year-veteran-minimum-deal-source-says
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
Oh yeah.
But maybe this affects the Hawks’ line of thinking when it comes to Crawford.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
what if...this is a ploy in the bulls atlanta trade
like atlanta picks up tmac so that the bulls dont have to use the mle on him, and just trades him to the bulls along with crawford for brewer, cj, and other filler, allowing the bulls to keep their mle
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I don't think they can trade him so soon after signing him, right?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
im not sure really
is there a rule saying you cant sign and trade two players? what if you do two seperate transactions…..
im thinking it could be something like this
bulls sign and trade caron butler and ronnie brewer for a sign and trade crawford. If crawford gets an 8 million dollar contract or so, this covers it
then atlanta signs tmac with part of their mle, and trades it to chicago for something dumb like pargo and john lucas. or maybe just trade cj watson
they can still sign grant hill for minimum as a tutor for jimmy butler and a backup defender in case its needed
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
seems to suggest they're replacing crawford
a ball-handling guard who can defend 3 positions, on the cheap…
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
NEW THREAD in light of the news
(and because this one’s-a-burstin’)
http://www.blogabull.com/2011/12/7/2618780/source-tracy-mcgrady-hawks-agree
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I will say this about Crawford, dude has handles and I won't feel like shooting a puppy everytime he dribbles.
But losing a guy like Brewer will hurt. He can defend multiple positions well, he has speed and athleticism and runs the baseline about as well as anyone in the league.
With the Hawks signing McGrady do they really need Brewer though? That suddenly leaves them with a lot of perimeter players who don’t shoot the 3-pointer really well. I’d feel a lot happier about this rumor if Korver was the guy being moved.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
yeah but then we're back where we started with outside shooting
korver had a bad series against the heat, he’ll bounce back
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
crawford would be our outside shooter
??? i think thats what ozzie was getting at, crawford would not just replace korver, but become an upgrade over him
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
right, the reason korver was helpless in the miami series
wasnt simply because of defense, but because the way the heat were playing defense. They put lebron on rose and had the interior waiting to help, and then just kept tight on deng and korver to deny them any pass. if rose just passed it to either deng or korver at the top of the key, they would probably pass the ball right back cuz they couldnt do anything either. Crawford allows it so that if the best perimeter player and defense in general is keyed in on rose, rose can pass it to crawford and the bulls can run a play that allows crawford to get room for a shot. Korvers inability to do that is what really defeated the bulls.
Still the idea of having rose, crawford, deng, AND korver on the floor at the same time is a nice last minute shot offensive lineup. Even the heat would have trouble guarding this lineup.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
obviously crawford is a much worse 3 pt shooter than korver
but having both of them makes this a decent shooting team.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So add Crawford and Hill/Battier
and give up Brewer.
And keep all of our other player assets and picks. Sounds pretty damn good, IMO.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
that seems very realistic
look, i love what brewer brings ot the table but we need a ball handler like crawford asap. there arent that many good options out there and adding crawford is not a bad choice at all.
i want to keep brewer...
if only for this… LOL
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
lol
im assuming hes talking to korver, telling him to shoot and hit the 3?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Little things like that make me feel like Brewer must be a really cool dude off the court
He doesn’t have that many followers on Twitter, but if you subscribe to his tweets it is pretty evident that he’s really down to earth and a good human being.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
he was ok actually
but if hes goen along with brewer, thats fine. I think the bulls can easily sign TJ Ford to vet min.
or like someone stated above
just put crawford at the pg spot…i mean…why not
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I don't understand the Cj hate
Did we forget that 30 point game? dude can score.
And isn’t bad on the defensive end either.
Thibs didnt utilize him like he should have, too often he was just waiting for korver off of double screens.
by Gen on Dec 7, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i dont get the hate either
i can get if people are willing to throw him in trades, but its not like he was costing us games, had a sucky tude, or just played crappily, he was….well he was a typical bench player…and he played that role well. The one game rose wasnt playing, he played his ass off…isnt that what you want from a bench guy?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Thats just the thing. Dude can't score
Bogans was a much better scorer in this past playoffs. In general, the bench mob was outplayed consistently in the playoffs.
I’d even go as far as to say that the lack of offense from the bench was a much worse problem than not having a dynamic 2 guard paired with Rose.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
This is shit analysis
Bogans was sitting in the corner waiting for Rose to kick it to him. Watson rarely if ever got to play with the Bulls best playmaker. Watson had to run the offense with the ball in his hand. Bogans had a 11.37 USG%. Watson had nearly double that! You are basically trying to compare a player with the usage of Pau Gasol (21.74 on the year, albeit in much more playing time) to a player with the usage of Joel Pryzbilla (12.06 on the year). You are comparing a PG to a catch and shoot player. He is not the scorer we need by any stretch, but comparing him to Bogans and saying Bogans is the better scorer is just crude analysis.
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by DRose01 on Dec 7, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its not shit, its simplistic. Yeah its crude.
I’m just saying that maybe the biggest weakness of the bulls isn’t what they do when Rose is trapped, but what happens when Rose is off the floor altogether. The second unit couldn’t hold leads and that’s because they couldn’t score. That’s not CJ’s fault entirely, its a lineup of all defenders.
If the problem is that the bulls can’t score when Rose is off the floor, then the solution isn’t necessarily a shooting guard, although it could be, its PG, SG, SF, PF, C.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 7, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm seeing 13.4 pp36 compared to 8.8
I’m seeing USG% of 21.4 compared to 11.4, I’m seeing AST% of 26.9 to 10.1, I’m seeing Bogans somehow with a TOV% of 11.3% how is that even possible given his job?
I guess you can just look at playoffs if you want, but over the season CJ was way better than Bogans. Even edging him in defensive stats (blocks and steals).
Cj is a scared little piece of shit
Would not shoot the open 3, constantly hesitaing, would not drive into the paint
He is a terrible dribbler and passer
What is there to love?
i mean, hes a decent backup pg
but i think u hate him b.c whenever rose is out, this team is in deep shit cause they have no one else to create their own shot. But again, its not really him thats the problem, but the lack of havign a SG really hurts not having rose play .
has amazing D, can hit the open 3 w/ consistency, can spell Rose, has great scoring ability (that we don't take advantage of)
hits critical free throws, never complains about his role, is on an affordable contract, great teammate and lockerroom guy
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
by slowmotion on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Crawford is a proven scorer in the league
He can dribble, shoot the 3 off the dribble or catch & shoot, he has height and decent athleticism. Is he streaky…yes. Is his defense subpar…yes. But he’s a good citizen. He has played here before, he’s still in his prime and he has a certain cockiness I think this team could use. Brewer is a solid player but he will never score 30 or 40 points the way JC can.
by #1humblebot on Dec 7, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
hah, remember that 50 point game crawford had for the bulls
i knew after that hell be demanding a big contract.
can we just sign a fucker already?
we all aint gonna be happy anyway, but atleast lets get that out the way so we can argue lol
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people need to be realistic and realize there arent many GOOD options out there
or shall i say, there is no “NO-BRAINER” option out there. If there was, the bulls would have been all over it. he trade route is bad for the bulsl right now b.c everyone is freekin demanding asik and gibson, but we need THOSE GUYS. If the magic decide and consider the bulsl offer of Noah, Deng, and Mirotic plus the CHA draft pick, then Im sure the bulsl would have offered it by now. However, the magic seem to be waiting out to see what they can do before they trade off howard.
not ognna happen, lol, not gonna happen
really hard to get outta the mess they are in. And it has been made clear even if they buy put Smith contract, he still wouldnt be able to sign with a team till March tlll the letter of clearance has been passed by the team.
i mean, Smith really fucked up by going to china
i mean, he should have considered other options playing international where the contract ISNT BINDING!!! same goes to Chandler and Martin.
Didnt the bulls finish first in the league ?
And was Brewer one of our best defensive players? I think the bulls should think very carefully about taking any key parts of the bulls defense
meh ill never forget all of his missed dunks
If we are going to sign a starting SG who can handle the ball and score then Brewers minutes are going to drop no matter what. We have to lose something in order to help out this offense of ours.
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i think TT
wants Crawford to be his Ray Allen here. They have the same size, and Allen wasn’t a good defender too before he signed with the Celtics. I like the move and Crawford have very good ball-handling and can run the point when needed.
Also, we drafted a ronnie Brewer clone in this year draft.
by Fernando brazil on Dec 7, 2011 5:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
agreed, we all thought kyle korver was gonna be that guy but i think he proved he's just a bench sharpshooter
jamal has a bit more potential
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think anyone thought korver would be a good defender and ball handler
but thibs didnt really use him very effectively, generally playing him with CJ watson instead of Drose.
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yeah not the second part, there was just a lot here about him being the Bulls' Ray Allen
I thought thibs strategy of using him with derrick to close halves was effective
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Korver doesn't have half the athleticism that Allen does
I think we knew this before signing him
Crawford can handle the ball and score. He'll definitely make the Bulls harder to defend.
I am for anything to make this team better.
how bout prince for MLE
jus throwing out an idea and most likely it wont happen. still, any thought on prince as the SG?
The only way I think they should do it
is if Asik isn’t involved, and they end up having enough money to still sign someone like Hill or Carter to take Brew’s place. I feel like we all agree that Brewer’s contribution to the team is much bigger than it seems on paper.
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My least favorite NBA players (basketball-related only)
1) Ben Gordon (basketball only- I hear he is a standup guy otherwise)
2) Jamal Crawford
Dont do it!
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Aww why do you hate scoring so much
i bet you love K12 don’t you
by Gen on Dec 7, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite players during Bulls no contender seasons
1) Ben Gordon
2) Jamal Crawford
Please do it!!!
by Fernando brazil on Dec 8, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wheres Jamal getting much more then the MLE & even a remote chance of a championship
Do any of those teams other than NO & NJ have cap space? Neither is a contender unless NJ lands Dwight.
Obviously this whole CBA thing was about never underestimating the ability of NBA teams to find creative ways to waste money, but I dont see how its a lock that we have to hand out significantly more than the MLE to get him. We should definitely be careful about what rotation players we throw into a S&T for him…our offer only has to beat whatever the Lakers, Miami etc can spare for him.
However it’s not a good sign that the hawks seem to be filling up there wing rotation. Clearly they aren’t bringing Jamal back, but that’s also going to minimize any interest in our current crew of more expendable 2/3s.
I'm sure the org is trying to get J Crawford and...
A choice of Battier, Hill or Butler for the MLE
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by illwill on Dec 7, 2011 9:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
you're not sure at all!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 7, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
he's not stupid, he apparently has another offer in NO, and according to the "sources" he's telling his agent rings arent worth 3-4 mil
…i think you can reasonably imply that from “if trade falls thru NO in the lead” or whatever. i mean the number is a guess but he’s clearly a top SG in this class and there will be plenty of shittier ones left for the capped teams.
and how does signing one mostly washed-up vet count as “filling up” the rotation?
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I see happening
Crawford for Brewer plus Korver at maybe 8mil.
Then JRich for the MLE
Play
Rose 34. CJ 14
JRich 22. Crawford 26
Deng 36. JRich 6. Butler 6
boozer 28. Taj 20
Noah. 32. Asik. 16
Who guards Wade, anyone but Crawford, so Rose up to 12 minutes per game, otherwise, JRich or CJ.
That
Would actually be pretty sick, but is it feasible? I wonder…
by revolvernumber9 on Dec 7, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
doubt JRich takes the MLE if he has to split time.
with brewer for defense, OK. but taking a bunch less to see only 28 mins so we can play another shooter?
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
What about this:
Rose 34 CJ 6 Crawford 6
Jrich 24 Crawford 24
Deng 36 JRich 6 Butler 6
Boozer 28 Taj 20
Noah 32 Asik 16
Jrich gets 30mpg total, Crawford 30mpg. Seems doable. Isn’t Crawford at least as good a PG than Watson?
well, the way i see it
a) no, crawford’s not as good, particularly if you factor in defense
b) even if he was, you’re paying cj watson 3 mil per to play 6 mins per game, you’d have to trade him
c) having both JRich and Crawford makes the offense more consistent but you suddenly dont have that extra defensive stopper on the wing, and im guessing it just amounts to a wash
d) i doubt either player accepts the deal to be part of a platoon; they’re both in a position to pick a good situation
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm torn by the potential for Crawford to be a very serious contributor to our team in multiple ways.
While he’s obviously been a defensive liability throughout his career, if Thibs can get him to completely commit to the defensive system that he’s put in place he could be the final piece we need.
It’s just that he has established a career of porous defense and that doesn’t tend to change with age. I can’t think of many players who began their careers as offensive juggernauts only to become defensive stoppers (Maybe Grant Hill but he’s a special case). That type of score first mentality doesn’t tend to change when it’s consistently reinforced by sixth man of the year awards and 17 points a game. (For example: Grant Hill was seriously injured and as such had to alter his game to survive in the league).
So really we’d be hanging our championship hopes on the slim chance that he’ll alter his way of approaching the game of basketball significantly, and I just don’t see that happening often enough to be confident about this trade.
Jordan didn't play much D when he came in the league, and neither did Rose, Wade, Lebron, or Pierce.
All those guys are great players, which is probably why they come into my head the fastest.
I'm always very skeptical when comparing anyone to Jordan.
Jamal Crawford is demonstrably nothing like Jordan, Rose, Wade, LeBron, or Paul Pierce in skill level, athleticism, or basketball IQ so I don’t feel much more confident by your comparison.
you know all this is going to end with...
We decided that none of the options out there drastically improved our team, we have good chemistry and our process is rock solid…..in the mean time Pargo is signed to a 100 year deal
It's going to be Caron
Woj just wrote a piece saying that Caron was smitten with Thibs and the Bulls are the frontrunners for his services. So I don’t know what that does to the Crawford thing, but I trust Woj more than Hoopsworld. It also seemed like Caron really wanted to play here.
I’m also surprised how many people are down on Jamal Crawford. Yes he has holes in his game, but he seems like the kind of player they need. The Mavs sort of showed how to beat the Heat with multiple ballhandlers. And the Bulls were hurt by the fact Rose was the only one who create offensively in that series. They desperately tried running CJ Watson out there with him to no avail.
The Bulls need another offensive weapon. A Jason Terry type who can get hot and put up 25 points. A guy who will ensure Rose isn’t getting overwhelmed by defenders. Brewer is a great defender but you can’t keep trying to grind out low scoring wins all playoffs through the defense. And if they bring back Bogans at the minimum, you have yourself a nice defensive guy on the bench who can give you 10-20 minutes when you need it (basically what Brewer did).
One other thing, Crawford isn’t nearly as bad defensively as some of you think. His advanced stats aren’t that bad and when he’s motivated he can hold his own. If he buys into Thibs system fully, I think he has the skillset to be a decent defender.
Its not that I was down on Crawford
Its that I was down on giving picks + Brewer for him, especially Brewer.
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Crawford Overview
Just to add, it’s not like opponent SGs were torching Crawford.
Crawford
2010-2011 14.8 PER / 13.9 OPP PER (0.9 NET)
2009-2010 20.6 PER / 16.4 OPP PER (4.2 NET)
2008-2009 17.1 PER / 14.6 OPP PER (+2.5 NET)
Hollinger on Crawford
This is pretty damning:
His rebounding went from merely poor to You Can’t Be Serious. Crawford is 6-6 and athletic; nobody expects him to outmuscle Kevin Love on the block, but you’d think a few boards would come his way just by dumb luck. Instead he rebounded only 3.4 percent of missed shots when he was on the floor, the single worst figure in the entire NBA. In a league that employed J.J. Barea, Earl Boykins, Aaron Brooks, Patty Mills and Pooh Jeter, among others, Crawford — who, again, is 6-6 — managed to land at rock bottom. This was not only the worst figure in the NBA last season, it was very nearly the worst in history by a player 6-6 or taller. However, it turns out that there was another 6-6 Hawk who was even worse — Randy Wittman posted a 3.3 in 1986-87, as did one other player (Jim Paxson in 1989-90). So Crawford will have to be content with the four-point play record. The rebound rate ties in with another phenomenon — Crawford just doesn’t play that hard on defense. He lacks strength but his length and lateral quickness should offset it, especially when he’s defending opposing point guards. It hasn’t worked out that way.
(ht: BBTH)
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