The mythological dire, urgent, pre-apocalyptic need for a stud shooting guard
The Bulls lack a playmaker at the shooting guard position. This is pretty much as self-evident to not need further explanation. But there's a difference between lacking a luxury and needing a necessity. The Bulls' shooting guard situation is much more in-between than noisemakers are allowing fans to realize.
I'm not saying that the Bulls would not be a better team adding a shooting guard with a better plus-minus efficiency than Keith Bogans, who can operate at a higher volume, to the status quo. But nothing comes for free and whatever additions are made are at the expense of an exchange in personnel or usage rate.
I'm not saying that no available shooting guard is of the caliber that elevates the Bulls chances of winning a championship. Those guards are out there, but we all pretty agree that that guard is not Tracy McGrady, right? So already, we agree that 'anything potentially better than Bogans' leaves us as fans in the same NBA Hell which has haunted Jazz fans for about the last 20 years.
This raises my next question: given the strengths of the Bulls, what's the point of adding a shooting guard who scores more points but makes the defense worse? Isn't the advantage a push, at best, that may just look prettier on the TV screen?
The Bulls were pretty great last season. And let's be honest, did anyone over-perform to a level not-repeatable?
The status quo of the Bulls is pretty strong. Ironically, it's that strength which furthers the myth the smallest addition is a cumulative gain. What's easily forgotten isn't what's lost in exchange via trades, but also that the addition of overall mediocre free agents scoring at a higher value also takes the ball out of better scorers' hands -- Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, and Luol Deng -- so that player better be worth it.
Beckley Mason hit some great points on schematic improvements the Bulls can make to instantly improve the offense and makes the rational case that the Bulls lacking a playmaking shooting guard isn't the same as the illusion of any playmaker at the position amounting to a tangible improvement to the team's production:
Still, this team won 62 games last year with the league’s best defense and it’s 11th best offense. A tweak here or there might serve them well, and there’s no doubt adding a player with shooting, defense, and one-on-one scoring capabilities like Arron Afflalo would be a boon.
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The offense doesn't flow through Rose, but from him. A lot of times, especially at the end of games, when he has a titanic ability to defy determined defenders and will his way to the rim, this works out just fine. But as a philosophy, it lacks the elegance-and more importantly, the unpredictability-of the read-and-react systems in Los Angeles, Houston and San Antonio.
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Bogans and Brewer are accurately maligned for their inability to create in isolation, but that's what Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer are supposed to be doing. The Rose-Boozer-Deng trioka, along with Noah terrorizing the offensive glass, is enough firepower to sustain one player who primarily impacts the game on the defensive end-it didn't bother San Antonio much during the Bowen years (though Bowen was, admittedly, a killer from the corner).
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So how to the Bulls cure what ails them? The antidote may be as simple as getting back to the flex-motion principles that served them so well at the start of last season. Kevin Arnovitz has already detailed why this particular Bulls squad is so well equipped to thrive in the flex.
Simply committing to a system that makes use of the Bull's glut of intelligent passers and cutters rather than one that requests all defenders eyes and elbows focus on Derrick Rose may be improvement enough. You don't want Ronnie Brewer, or even Luol Deng, camping in the corner. You want them curling hard off a murderous Joakim Noah screen, or flaring to the short corner and encouraging ball and player movement that leaves help defenders poorly positioned to prepare for Rose's furious drives.
When that stuff doesn't work, well, Derrick Rose is still Derrick Rose.
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The idea that the Bulls are "a player away" for a title is bunk. They were the best team in the NBA for 82 games last season despite two of their four most important players being injured for a ton of games.
No contender is without serious flaws. The quest to build a perfect team is a fool's errand, but a team that plays together perfectly-that's something attainable.
Again -- and if you straw man me, I will retaliate -- no one in their right mind is saying that the Bulls would not be better with more scoring on the wings, a starter at the opposite wing of Deng with the ability to create points with and without the ball, the type of guy who can punish defenses for over-committing to Rose.
I'm not saying the Bulls shouldn't pursue adding a shooting guard because of some mystical chemistry risk or illusion of the purity of living and dying with guys brought up in the NBA through the franchise.
I'm saying that the Bulls are a great team as is, without the illusion they're any better than a fringe title contender. I'm just also saying that most shooting guards getting their names dropped don't change that and a lot of trade scenarios sacrificing combinations of size, quickness, and defensive I.Q. make the team worse.
Caron Butler, Vince Carter, and maybe even Jamal Crawford and Jason Richardson don't look all that much better than McGrady right now, in the grand scheme of things, do they?
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Largely accurate, unfortunately
Unless GarPaxDorf has some sort of truly out of the box plan, there really doesn’t seem to be a magic bullet out there. Given the compressed schedule, depth is going to crucial this year. Hence trading Taj and/or Asik for a marginal upgrade (Mayo, let’s say) seems like a bad bet. One thing they really need is someone who can take some of the load off Deng. Thibs simply cannot continue to play Deng so many minutes with so many back-to-backs and even six game in seven night scenarios. Hence the strong interest in Caron Butler, perhaps. Unfortunately, Butler may go to the Clippers. Is there any chance that we might be able to get Kirilenko for the MLE? Does anyone know what his perceived market value is at this point?
The Nets will overpay for him
Not worth the trouble.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Bogans only played 17.8 minutes per...
I not to mention he looked vastly better on D then he ever has with guys like Luol, and Jo backing him up. Anybody we plug in that can score is not going to be much of a defensive liability in this system with Thibs as the coach and the Defensive presence backing him up. Bring on J-Rich, Butler, VC, or Crawford any of them will be an upgrade over Bogans!!!!
Well stated
The Mason article is spot on. To be honest, I would like to see how this exact team does with a year under their belt, a healthy Noah and Boozer (God willing), and Thibs having had time to contemplate offensive strategy.
If Thibs time with the Houston Rockets under Van Gundy is an example, the team’s DRtgs were: 99.0(5th), 101.7(4th), 103.3(6th), 100.7(3rd). So basically, good, good, good, good. The team’s ORtgs were: 100.9(24th), 106.2(15th), 101.6(29th), 106.0(15th). So basically, bad, average, bad, average. In his third year, Yao and McGrady both missed significant time. In his 4th year, Yao still misssed time, but McGrady didn’t. Under the Celtics,the team’s DRtgs were: 98.9(1st), 102.3(2nd), 103.8(5th). The team’s ORtgs were: 110.2(10th), 110.5(6th), 107.7(15th).
Can we expect an offensive jump? Meh, maybe, maybe not. I think Thibs has earned the right to have a chance to work with the solid hand he’s been dealt. Only 107 combined games for Noah (48) and Boozer (59)! Both players will make your offense better, especially when the replacements are Gibson, Asik, and Thomas. Is there anything wrong with seeing how we play with the hand we’ve been dealt? If there is a no brainer move like Dwight Howard or signing Roy off of amnesty without giving anything up, then fine. Otherwise, let Brewer start and let’s see what happens.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Dec 6, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Also, can you guess what these numbers are?
1-5, 1-1, 0-3, 1-3…Kyle Korver’s 3pa-3pm the last four games of the Miami series. In games where Rose was getting doubled, Korver could have been an offensive outlet but didn’t get enough of an opportunity, probably due to Thibs fear if his crap defense and the fact that he shot very poorly. Maybe I am changing my mind, but Jason Richardson could help if he can basically be Kyle Korver but with passable defense.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Dec 6, 2011 10:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
or it could be that Miami was so athletic
they were able to hound Korver while smothering Rose. If you don’t believe me look at the very last play of the last game.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
To answer your original question...
This raises my next question: given the strengths of the Bulls, what’s the point of adding a shooting guard who scores more points but makes the defense worse? Isn’t the advantage a push, at best, that may just look prettier on the TV screen?
I don’t think that question can be answered in a vacuum. I don’t think adding one primarily offensive player, negates what the Bulls principles are on defense. It’s not an “either-Or” scenario. We just watched the Dallas Mavericks when with Jason Terry hitting big shots and taking the pressure off of Dirk. Jason Terry doesn’t play a lick of defense but his ability to hit big shots and take over games at certain junctures of the game, can have a larger affect at times of a game than a defensive possession. Same thing with the Celtics and Ray Allen.
I understand that with Boozer doing what is necessary that the offense should be enough but I don’t think it will be. Also I don’t think just starting Brewer is the problem solver either because he can’t shoot consistently. Same deal with Korver. In principle these things should work but they haven’t. I think Jason Richardson or someone at SG than can take pressure off of Rose is necessary. Even if it means sacrificing a little on defense.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Pretty much my point
That basketball is a game with a clock and finite amounts of balls in play and possessions in a game.
To use your example: Ray Allen can score 15 a game almost never dribbling. With Rose, Boozer, and Deng, a scorer isn’t an asset to the Bulls; an efficient player who maximizes each possession, playing a low margin-of-error game means putting the ball in his hands isn’t taking the ball out of more efficient players’ hands.
They worked until the final 4 games
In principle these things should work but they haven’t.
I wonder what was different about those final 4 games...
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Carlos Boozer and Omer Asik being healthy?
Plus a bit of just random luck?
Plus, it's not like the Heat were blowing us out, they were all close games
sorry for the double post
Its not like every Heat player, played to his full potential
(I’m talking to you Wade.) Its not like the Heat didn’t have any guys recovering from injury (Miller and Haslem). Its not like Lebron didn’t hit those same exact shots the year before in Cleveland against the Bulls (he did). And its not like the Heat aren’t going to get better (possibly replace Bibby and get a new center). This isn’t a situation where everything went right for the Heat and nothing went right for the Bulls. It was a battle, a fight, but they won. Its not that unusual for a team to lose multiple times to the same team in the playoffs, playing them tough each time. Phx-SA, Sac-Lakers, Knicks-Bulls, Cle-Boston. Playing someone tough doesn’t mean you get to beat them the next time. It often means you’ll probably lose the next series too.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Right it means you're about equal to them
It’s not unusual to flip a quarter and get heads 5 times in a row either, doesn’t mean it’s going to come up heads the 6th time.
New Orleans Saints lost their first ten coin-flips this season.
That is not a predictive statistic, though, as you’re saying — it’s just what happened.
When Lebron hits from the outside he is literally unguardable.
There isn’t a SG available who will make us a good enough team to counteract that. Thankfully, Lebron usually is a pretty mediocre outside shooter.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 6, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, if Howard could hit from the outside he would be unguardable.
That’s not really saying much.
I think Lebron is a good medium range shooter, usually because defenders are so worried about him driving that they leave him wide open. The whole fade away three-pointer at the end of the game thing, though, is not good.
Except, of course, in that one playoff game against the Bulls,
when all of Lebron’s three point shots went in.
I love Delonte
He’s also a low-risk option, as he won’t cost much, and he won’t be asked to do anything the world widely knows he can’t do. In other words, Delonte should be targeted, but isn’t in the category of the more expensive scoring two-guards.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that was one game where he hit a couple of crazy 3s
and I think you have to expect one of those games in every series because Lebron is that good.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah and where did those last 4 games get us?
Those last four games is the difference between the ‘93 Bulls and the ’93 Suns. We know who had the better regular season and MVP and we know who won the title. We lost to the Heat for a reason and it’s because Rose had no help. As a Bulls fan I know and you know that Lebron James can’t guard Rose alone. But to have to hear all off season how he did is infuriating.
There’s no reason or excuse to go into the 2011 season with Keith Bogans or Ronnie as the starting SG. Rose needs help and I can’t lay faith in Boozer being better, Korver not being scared to shoot, and Brewer learning a jumpshot after all these years.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 6, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you that Rose needed help
But I think the help could be on the roster in the form of getting healthy.
also, assume the Heat will be better too
just to be safe
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 6, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I love Rose but LJ shutting down Rose defensively was the difference in the series.
And to the point raised in the post, a better offensive strategy could have negated that effect.
what is more likely
the bulls sign a 2 guard to improve the team or Thibs implements an entire new offensive system with 2 weeks to go before the season starts? All this talk about flex offenses is nice, but the Bulls aren’t about to run a different system.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Well I what I was getting at
is that it was easier for Lebron to defend Rose when other Heat players could leave their spot on the floor to shadow Rose as well. I don’t think Lebron has that success if there’s another threat on the floor to keep everyone honest. Also it’s not as if Rose didn’t get up shots at the end of the game against Lebron. But when you expend as much energy as he did throughout the series, he’s an easier player to guard.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
if the bulls don’t sign a better 2 or if they sign that damn jamal crawford and not j rich all hell is going to break loose here in chi town me being a true blue bulls fan cringe every time i hear or read that crawford is a option, everyone in the bulls front office must be smoking that ooo wee thinking j.crawford will solve anything.
by blackrayne219 on Dec 7, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
The answer is simple:
Give Kyle Korver and Ronnie Brewer a set of Potara earrings and force them to permanently fuse into our starting SG.
sounds like the fat version of the fusion dance
Ronle Krewer
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
lmao
wow… just wow
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by Mighty Healthy on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
piccolomair, is that you?
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Don't buy it one bit
I don’t care if this team continues to be great constructed as is. I don’t care if Boozer and Noah get healthy and makes this team even better.
The only thing I really care about is beating the Miami Heat (the way to the finals) and as long as Derrick is our lone option on the wing, it will allow the Heat to bottle up Derrick.
So yeah, if the Bulls just want continue to out-hustle most teams, lead the league in wins and watch the Heat win every ECF …. deal me out.
by Option27 on Dec 6, 2011 11:29 AM CST reply actions 8 recs
With another scoring option and lesser defense, Heat win anyway
With that extra scoring option being an inefficient chucker, you can be for damn sure the Bulls can’t beat the Heat.
That’s my point. Not that as is, the Bulls can pray for hustle, grittiness, and grindiness; but that scenarios played out in full don’t make the Bulls better simply by having a better SG.
And Vince Carter or Caron Butler or Tracy McGrady taking Bogans out of the rotation sounds great, but those guys also taking minutes from Brewer and Korver puts you at a loss. Not taking those minutes away makes a waste of an MLE usage.
The problem is a lot more nuanced that you’re expressing.
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At least we saw what this team is capable of as constructed
We’ve seen how a team like this can play against the Heat. I consider both teams getting better this next year so I’d consider that a push.
Might as well see how this team matches up with a better scoring 2
I think its a stretch to say a mediocre defender would open the floodgates on the Bulls
Bosh had good games exploiting Boozer, something which is still going to be there next season. However, Wade and Lebron are almost unguardable, and the only way to really defend them is to get them to fall in love with their jumpers. Lebron is going to be mostly Deng, Brewer, and sometimes Noah and Taj’s responsibility. Wade will face Bogans, some Brewer and then someone like J Rich who basically has to keep Wade from getting an open driving lane, basically be an obstacle, to avoid those high percentage lay ups and to keep our bigs from have to meet Wade at the rim, because Wade is going to get the foul call every time.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
You just hold them to 25-30
Dont let either one get off
The unguardable Lebron had 3 pts in the fourth quarter against Dallas…….in 6 games!
Isn't that basically what the Bulls did
but they couldn’t score enough to get them over the hump?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
What about one of those guys at 2
and then Ronnie can give Luol a break? I can dig that jive
I agree
A lot of the Bulls’ improvement will have to come from them simply “playing better”. And if they can’t do that, then we might have to consider the fact that there are fundamental flaws with the way this team has been built (which doesn’t mean it’s been built poorly, but just that’s it’s not good enough to win a title).
To that end, I think the above quote from the linked article is accurate:
So how to the Bulls cure what ails them? The antidote may be as simple as getting back to the flex-motion principles that served them so well at the start of last season.
I wouldn’t even say it was a “start of the season” vs. “end of the season” thing. Sure, they were more consistently running their offense at the start of the year, but this was more of a “first three quarters” vs “Last quarter” think imo.
The moment the offense would sputter even the tiniest bit in the fourth, the Bulls system would devolve into Rose going one on five (or I guess “evolve” if you’re a fan of Rose’s crazy end of game antics, proper team play be damned). The thing is, as the we got deeper and deeper into the season, the games began to mean more and more, so the Bulls would go to this ace in the hole earlier and earlier. Eventually to where, in the playoffs, the Bulls entire offense was simply: “Give the ball to Derrick”.
I would expect Thibs to try and put an end to that style of play starting on day one of training camp. But it’s effectiveness, and whether or not is sticks, will likely be determined by how other players respond(such as Boozer, Deng, and the soon to be signed sg). And whether Derrick is able to remain as effective when the ball is not constantly in his hands.
Let’s not forget that Derrick has always made a habit out of making up for a number of mistakes, and lack of solid pg play early in games, by going on one of his insane flourishes to steal the game away in the fourth quarter. I’ll be very curious to see what his overall game looks like if the Bulls really do try to make him more of a facilitator.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 6, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said
And I hope Thibs does put an end to the “iso Rose” show, because as good as Rose is, that’s just not the most effective option at the end of games. When the shot clock starts winding down, fine, give the ball to Derrick and let him try to make magic happen, but that shouldn’t be option number one.
This play stood out to me last year as one of the best examples of solid offensive execution (you can criticize Coach Nick’s analysis, but he makes it really easy to find Bulls tape so kudos). The Bulls run Korver through a couple screens on the weak side which draws the interior defense completely over to that side, leaving a wide open path to the basket for Rose after he breaks down his man. If the Bulls can learn to consistently execute like that, they’ll be in great shape.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 6, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Bulls really just need to pray for health
If Boozer is healthy, I think we’re better than the Heat.
I was just watching a Coach Nick video about the series and Boozer missed so many gimme layups he looked like worst player in the league. Just give us those and it’s like 6 more ppg for the Bulls.
Whether it was our coach's gameplan or our point guard's stubborness, there was no sense trying to go one on one against James.
Too many times we quit running our offense and let Rose try and go against LJ.
Yes, and...
Anyone with questions about this sentiment should first revisit LBJ’s handling of Rose in the ECF. And whatever the justification for this is, (whether Rose was tired, exhausted etc) one thing stands: too much of the offense is predicated on one guy. The problem with comparing the Spurs’ minimizing of Bowen to the Bulls minimizing of player-at-a-deficit is threefold: The Spurs had Parker (the penatrator) ; they had Ginobili (the guy we want); and they had Duncan (who inspires more faith than Boozer). Boyond that, while the triumvirate of Rose, Deng, Boozer is a nice one, Boozer’s lack of post production hurt this team, and the ensuing dependence on Rose crippled them—motion or no motion. If you’re a one man team without the best player on the floor, what are the odds it turns out in a best of seven series? The problem is this: the free agent crop is lacking and all the while, we know that the current situation isn’t sustainable. The push back would come from fans who might perceive the Bulls doing nothing as unwillingness pay for a winner. The prayer isn’t for hustle, grittiness or any other rhetorical gymnastic(y) bullshit. The prayer is that Boozer starts finishing at the rim and somehow a two guard emerges that can alleviate some of the offensive famines this team endures.
by Dogfishhead on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
I think its easy to say
we need the inside guys to play better or we need Rose to perform like he did all year in a series against the Heat. We have to examine why those guys didn’t play well. And we have to be able to credit the Heat D.
I contend part of the reason is that our SG position turned to dust in that series. Brewer played excellent D but was never a legit offensive threat. Korver was crushed on both ends. Bogans played well for Bogans, but he didn’t give the Bulls what they need. What that means is you have an athletic ball-hawking team (Wade, Bron, Bosh, Anthony, Haslem, Chalmers) all rotating and basically camping in the lane. On every dribble, on every penetration, by everyone – Rose, Boozer, Noah, Deng – there are 3 Miami Heat looking to steal, block, or take a charge.
If I was the Heat I would give the Bulls all the outside looks they wanted – the Bulls are only dangerous offensively when Rose is on fire, Rose is getting to the rim, Boozer is scoring at the rim, or the Bulls are controlling the offensive boards. Outside of Rose shooting 40% or above from 3 against the Heat, I don’t know if the balance changes enough, even with the Bulls fully healthy, to beat the Heat.
Plus Rose took on too much of the offensive burden last year. He admits that he was worn down physically at the end of the season. Having another scoring option will alleviate that burden and keep Rose fresh and efficient through the season and into the playoffs.
So how do the Bulls beat the Heat? In my mind, the best chance is to get a 2 guard who can score while sacrificing as little D as possible. The best option to do that without jeopardizing future flexibility seems like Jason Richardson to me. Beyond that JR Smith, Wilson Chandler, and Marcus Thorntonseem appealing to me – guys you don’t have to trade assets to acquire but who may be able to play an instant offense role either as the starting 2 or off the bench. I don’t understand why the Bulls would stand pat. The Heat won’t.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 6, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Beckley's article reminds me of a theory i heard last year
that hypothesized that thibs wasnt going to install his offense until year 2, when the defensive system was established. presumably we’ll see more of that flex stuff now, if thats true
...and we're back
That was Coach Nick's theory, although he was half-joking
about the Bulls’ poorly-designed offensive schemes.
People forget game 1?
Or do they forget that in the other 2 games that came down to the final possession and game 5 the Bulls collapsed under an improbable Heat rally?
or that Noah and Boozer were hurt, plus Asik missed the final game?
why are fans under the assumption that the Heat would always beat the Bulls?
magic and Bird had evenly matched teams and they alternated winning Finals.
I dont think we are a fringe contender, I expect Wade and Lebron to do their thing, but I expect Rose will be even better, same with Noah.
by Trey23 on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
The Bulls are close to the Heat's level, I'm not disputing that
That series was much closer than people give them credit for. Most fans will say inexperience got us to that point. My whole premise lies in BOTH teams chemistry becoming stronger. As much as the Bulls get better, Miami will too (for the time being).
That being said, we could desperately use a boost to get us over that hump. Boozer and boost are two things that usually don’t go together
by Option27 on Dec 6, 2011 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but you're acting like there isn't a reason that the Bulls lost those other games.
I get the whole “Hey the ball can bounce either way” argument but that’s not what happened last year. What happened against the Heat was the chickens coming home to roost. It was a try hard team that gave a damn against the Kings and Bucks in February while winning 60+ games finding out the hard way that they weren’t a Championship team. They finally faced a team that could stop their best player and expose guys like Boozer, Korver, and Bogans for what they really were.
No this year needs to be different. We need a real SG and nothing less. Do I think Richardson or Carter could get us over the hump? I sure would like to find out.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
You sum up exactly how I feel about it.
We were close. Our team is really good and certainly not something to remodel. If we played better offense in the ECF (better screens, hitting the open shots, etc) we are not having this conversation. Rose will get better, the team will improve without making serious moves…the elite SG we want is not available at this time, so just be patient.
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we are a better team than heat, hell the heat arent a team. we need that sg so teams cant double rose, a that sg needs to be a veteran not a gunslinger out there just to get points
by blackrayne219 on Dec 7, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Let's be honest, in the playoffs v. Heat
LeBron and Wade and a few others on their team were just plain “lucky”. Some of the three pointers they hit to get them back into games were just that “lucky”. It’s not like Heat were the offensive monsters, sliceing our defense at will. They worked their asses off for the wins. How often will you see LeBron pound the ball for 15 seconds and then jack up a three. There were too many of those and they worked for the lucky bastards. Then it dried up v. Mavs.
by adocarbog on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
"Then it dried up v. Mavs."
I wish it would have dried up sooner, but I was damn happy to see it eventually dry up.
by jpx7 on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that also happen when cleveland defeated us
coincidence?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 6, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
go and get jason richardson, we need more scoring to offset when korver is in one of his dry spells shooting the ball, we can’t keep leaving rose out there by his self with all the ball handling responsibility, if so he is going to stay hurt and grow old fast , the main point is rose needs some help to get past the heat, there is nothing to analyze , the heat are going to double him every time he get the ball because no one can stay in front of him without help
by blackrayne219 on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
As I said before 17.8 minutes per game...
And he only played to start both halves barely ever in clutch time when we needed stops. Any other SG will fill in for him nicely
While watching the playoffs last year my sentiments about our offense line up with the
exploration by one of the aforementioned authors that the Bulls might need to readjust their offensive scheme. On my own I placed “Flex Offense” into youtube and after sifting through several videos of some backwater teenager’s idiot Mars Volta cover bands named “Flex Offense” I found some very interesting videos and analysis of the Flex offense as implemented in Utah for so many years. The number of cutting men, changes, and creating that occurs seems custom tailored to the Bulls’ particular strengths. At that time the Jazz had an elite PG, Boozer, and other pieces including Ronnie Brewer who managed to flourish as a starting 2 guard in that system. It’s at least worth a shot since the Bulls offense last year eroded so much when teams threw big and physical 2 and 3 guards at Derrick. There simply wasn’t a well developed system that can adapt to such changes. The Flex offense allows for 2, 3, and even your 5 to position themselves as playmakers. It even allows Derrick the opportunity to play off the ball himself. Derrick would be dynamite with that speed exploding off of a double screen and curl through the lane.
In that way a super crazy stud SG might not be necessary (although I wouldn’t wait if a sign and trade became available). It’s no secret that Thibs was in his rookie season as a head coach himself. I hope that his offseason training was in analyzing as much the offense as the defense.
by Doc Heff on Dec 6, 2011 4:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Actually, Korver and Brewer are great flex options
Korver’s a corner man, Brewer’s a cutter, and Deng can do both.
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i don't get it.
we’ve been talking about a shooting guard upgrade for ages and suddenly we may not need one so desperately? yes both noah and boozer could do a lot better offensively but so could wade and it’s way more possible. and the heat could add a lot better pieces after getting rid of mike miller and other crappy vets. if we are to hang on to the possibilities they have much more room to improve offensively.
of course we were so close in those four games and if rose comes back with an improved court vision it won’t be shocking to get pas the heat with what we have now but why refusing to improve when you have a chance? i don’t want to talk about the possibilities, i want the bulls to build the roster on the facts. and to me the fact is rose was so worn out at those four quarters that he couldn’t hit a single shot or find the open man because he had no one to turn to. but when dirk was sick and worn out jason terry stepped up and killed the heat. while terry was handling the ball and big shots dirk recharged and made those incredible layups at the end of the games. that’s so simple to me. if they can do it with fuckin’ jason it’s no-brainer to go after j-rich or even caron butler.
everybody knows that the bulls can’t get the perfect guy for that spot. and all those rumors about j-rich, butler, t-mac or VC are not the ones we hoped for but saying any of them wouldn’t be a significant upgrade from bogans or brewer isn’t logical when we have the jason terry example. i just want rose to have the luxury to turn to a veteran who can handle the ball a lot better than KK, bogans or brewer when he was shut down by lebron and wade. and again, it’s possible to beat the heat with what we have now and it’s possible to lose if although we have, say j-rich but why give up the chance to improve, even it’s a minor one?
Grab it, Jo!
by Jesus Fever on Dec 6, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Crap, you're right
A lot of us have started to overthink this. There is no way in hell that JRich is not a significant upgrade over Bogans. That series with Miami was pretty close and the difference between Bogans and JRich might not even have to be very large for it to make the difference next time around. We would still have Brewer for those times when Thibs wants a two guard in someone’s grill defensively. Hell, we might even still have Bogans, just way down near the end of the bench, where he actually belongs on a contending team. If JRich will take the mid-level, sign him the hell up.
by thelivingant on Dec 6, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
If Jason Richardson's willing to take the MLE, cool
Whether he is or not is unknown and if he’s not, you begin talking about sign-and-trade options. In that case, it isn’t simply adding to the status quo.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 6, 2011 7:04 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
seriously...
gotta lighten up folks. Lets see what the bulls do and remember, the bulls will have chances to make a significant upgrade even before the trade deadline. if this team still a major weakness on offense, then you know the bulls will look to make a big splash if need be. The bulls last year were about to get Mayo but didnt cause they didnt want to give up asik. Plus, I agree, Mayo isnt worth Asik and Gibson.
It not a both/and with those two, it's an either/or
And given the chance, I wouldn’t think any more about trading Gibson for Mayo. I’d have done it yesterday.
by Dogfishhead on Dec 6, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah, if its just gibson, i would do it then
but not asik and gibson. asik is a very essential piece tot the bulls success this season.
for crawford you do not give gibson or asik away he’s not worth either one, go out there and get 2 veterans who know what it takes to win a championship
by blackrayne219 on Dec 7, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
that sounds good
The only problem with what you are saying is, having d. rose playing so hard ,so fast the whole game will have him again wore down when it counts the playoffs. Having that second scoring option at the 2 , gives him in game breaks, as well as letting thibs rest him without the offense falling apart…..I say again jamal crawford is not the answer…Everybody in the world that knows basketball, that watches basketball to any degree knows the bulls NEEEEEEEEEEEEED a combo shooting guard.

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