Rose and the Bulls offense roll: an improved unit or just against Vinny-ball?
One running gag after the Chris Paul trade was that he'd be the de-facto coach of the Clippers with Vinny Del Negro merely a well-coiffed figurehair.
That may be true on offense. As Alex noted in his recap, the Clippers schemes were pretty simple but Chris Paul's superlative distributing skills made it work: created a lot of easy opportunities for their shooters and their bigs, the latter often living up to the 'Lob City' monicker the team has taken on. But while Vinny said pregame he hopes it's instead 'Win City' through employing the right fundamentals, his team showed on the defensive end that in that facet their coach is the village idiot.
Clips Nation lamented a lack of defensive rotations all night, as well as VDN running Paul and Griffin into the ground. Some of that can be blamed on roster construction, the Clippers starting bigs are not sound defenders and their depth is abysmal (as a first-hand observer of the Brian Cook era of Illini basketball, it pains me to see how much he blows). But defense on a team level is also about a mindset coming from the coach. Remember, the year Vinny took over the Bulls they dropped from 11th to 18th in defensive efficiency. Whereas not only did their new coach bring them back to top-5, you just know he's not entirely happy with last night and will work to improve it. You could see the lack of a Clippers team defensive concept with Chris Paul attempting to funnel Derrick Rose into should-be defenders that were mostly out of position looking to leap and block.
And Rose took advantage in what Noah called one of the best games of Rose's career. Chris Paul may have some of the skills noted above that Rose lacks, but Rose not only did a solid job slowing Paul down, but on offense Rose dominated the matchup with his own type of brilliance: creating his own looks, getting to the line (maybe the help of some Thibs lobbying?) and taking advantage of the late-collapsing defense with the Bulls open shooters chipping in. And to really distance ahead his team in the 4th, he knocked down some 3-pointers of his own.
I don't make too much of any rivalry sparking Rose's play (what happened after his 'grudge' against the Warriors?). What is interesting early has been the variance in the load he's carrying each game, the causal team results, and how that may play out for this screwy schedule. But for only Friday night, Rose and the Bulls were spectacular: their offensive efficiency mark of 126.7 was only topped 4 times in the Bulls 62 wins last season.
Other notes from the conclusion of a successful road trip:
- It sounds goofy, but during the game I really was unimpressed (to annoyed) with Blake Griffin. DaBullz.com noted some of his unnecessary dribbling, and he seemed to settle way to easily and often for jumpers. But maybe that's all biased because of seeing what he could do to clown Boozer, forcing the Bulls to switch to a moderately-more-effective Noah, so upon second reflection it's right to give him praise for creating such expectations in the first place, scoring 34 points and all.
- Alex bullet-pointed-out Deng's post-scoring in last night's game, and it is the continuation of what has been a really strong start to the season. I was particularly impressed to the way he finished off some reverse layups, deftness around the rim you usually don't see. Doug Thonus at ChicagoNow points out some things to watch, specifically that is 3pt% is down, and the minutes are still high. Ronnie Brewer is playing like he deserves more minutes, so it's a nice chance to kill two birds with one rotation-altering stone for Thibs.
- Doug also relays the interesting stat that Rip Hamilton is 3rd on the team in shot attempts this season. His performance still bears a lot more watching, the playmaking game he shows really opens up new avenues for the Bulls offense, but sometimes he looks like a player who still thinks he can do things his body can't. Kurt Helin was at the game and got some remarks from Rip on needing more time for assimilation, but here's to hoping Rip doesn't get too comfortable to the point where he's taking away opportunities from others.
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If Team USA starts Paul over Rose..
I will be rooting for Spain (Mirtotic)
by D-Cas on Dec 31, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I think it's a bit unfair to completely lay the blame for the Clips' shitty defense on Vinny.
The Bulls went from 18th in DRTG in 09 to 11th in 2010, and that’s with Noah and Deng missing huge chunks of that season. The Clippers don’t really have the personnel to be a good defensive team.
agreed but they're wasting the assets they do have by not teaching DeAndre some discipline
and encouraging their quick, athletic guys to help. I mean it’s not a hopeless roster defensively
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
And Vinny is anything more then a waste of space because?
It’s not like he has any redeeming coaching qualities….
Cacti are prickly.
by crackedcactus on Dec 31, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
i cant believe im gonna do it, but im gonna make a case for vinny
or rather a pro vs his many cons…
vinny is a great players coach. Players will never hate him, organization guys….maybe….but the players wont. He runs the team like club med, as noah once said, and players will play for him for that reason alone. What might be his best ability is that after a season or two of his ‘club med’ experience, players might embrace a tough disciplined coach that much more.
Of course i speak in terms of very small sample size, but i think a huge reason the bulls reacted to thibs so quickly was because the core of the players had two years of vinny del negro, and they embraced thibs basketball drills, knowledge, and meticulous ways, and then they started winning which created a level of acceptance.
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so i guess its really not much of a case FOR vinny…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 31, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
They don't have anybody that's incapable of being good defenders
Paul, Billups, and Caron Butler have all received acclaim as good, smart defenders. Griffin and DeAndre Jordan are the most athletic big man duo in basketball. If they’re not good defenders, it’s not because they’re incapable, it’s because they can’t/won’t follow good team defensive concepts. It’s the coach’s job to make sure they know what they’re supposed to be doing, and to ensure they stick to it.
by runningman on Jan 1, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A bit of both but the Bulls definitely improved.
Rose might have found the sweet spot in balancing his aggressiveness and sharing the ball in this game. The only issue I have with the offense right now is with Luol. There were instances wherein an extra pass would have generated an open shot. But most of the time Luol gets the ball and he turns into a ball hog. Fast breaks with him is just frustrating to watch at times.
I'm all for intelligent basketball discussion
but I think there needs to be a moratorium on the Rip efficiency talk (or lack thereof). At least wait until the offense stops humming.The fact that we’ve been kicking ass on offense despite him and Lu both shooting poorly from three, and Booze not being a huge contributor, is something to encouraged about, not discouraged (and this wasn’t directed at yfbb’s post, but more the overall Rip vibe that’s been going around recently)
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
yeah
a cited advantage to signing Rip was that his being out there would “open things up”. Now that things are opened up, does his percentage matter all that much? If he’s hitting at 44% that’ll be great.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Right, and even if he is more of a volume scorer, is that such a bad thing?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with all of these comments,
plus, once again, he runs the floor well enough to give us more fast break opportunities every night.
Lebbeus clarehanna!
Nah if you want a volume scorer you have to have other iso players too
You dont build a team of guys whose points come in the flow of the offense and then throw a monkey wrench into it in the form of some chucker. Extra passes and unselfishness have been key in all three wins. I think we’re always going to be close to devolving back into an “Attack, Derrick!” type offense, and discipline is key in preventing that
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like the definition of "volume scorer" has been fuzzed a bit
It doesn’t mean “selfish scorer”. It just means he’s not that efficient. Rip is clearly not selfish and makes the extra pass. When he receives the ball, he either shoots immediately, takes a couple of dribbles towards the basket and then shoots or passes, or passes. In fact, the only time i’ve seen him take more than a couple of dribbles is when he was matched up against a point guard and the team wanted him to exploit that matchup.
by runningman on Jan 1, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah I dont think rip fits the definition
i was just arguing with JBJ’s point that a volume guy would not be a negative
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by paddyfairview on Jan 1, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
i just get the feeling no one on this team is playing at 100% effort right now like they were all year long last year
feels like they are just playing enough to hang around in each game with their eyes focused on the bigger goal.
i just dont see the same intensity we saw all year long last year.
and feel like rose is the most evident out of the bunch. just seems to be coasting waiting for the playoffs to come around
Should've traded for Melo.
I totally see it. 29 points, 16 assists, efficient scoring, not forcing the issue. Yup.
All sarcasm aside, I’m loving the new Rose. Isn’t this what we all wanted? A more efficient scorer who sets his team mates up for easy baskets. While this game was the first where the new mindset worked, it’s a promising sign for the future. A Rose that doesn’t force as many shots, tries to make the smart pass, and makes plays when we need them excites me.
Rose's stat line against LAC was one of the best all-around statistical games in franchise history
His 29 points, 16 assists, and 8 rebounds was only the second time in Bulls’ history that a player had at least 25 points,15 assists, and 5 rebounds in a game.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 31, 2011 10:14 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
That one time must have been a helluva John Paxson performance!!!!
(sidenote, BaB is pissing me off. For the past 3 days I couldn’t post, reply or hit Z without the damn screen jumping back to the top.)
"The flames on his pants looked way too.... Bam Bam Bigelow-y."
- Comment on Bleacher Report about Kane's new digs.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 1, 2012 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
Click on the link in the post to find out who
It was a certain someone who played point guard for a stretch back in 1989.
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by Mike from Illinois on Jan 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

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