Bulls 114, Clippers 101: Point guard showcase in Slop City
The Bulls finished their season-opening four-game road trip 3-1 after beating the Clippers 114-101 in L.A. on Friday night. As exciting as the Clippers are, they were no match for the Bulls' rebounding and their defensive scheme is borderline juvenile, so the Bulls offense looked godly throughout the night.
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Derrick Rose and Chris Paul were the show. And Rose, for his fifth time in five meetings with his contemporary, left the building with a win.
Rose dominated with 29 points in only 14 shots from the floor (8-for-14), 15 assists, and eight rebounds. The Clippers bigs simply weren't helping Paul by showing in the paint when Rose drove, so he just kept driving and went 10-for-11 at the line. He shot 3-for-4 on good spots to shoot 3s and frequently found second and third options for open looks when the help did rush him. In all, he scored or assisted 63 of the Bulls' 114 points.
Paul (15 points on 7-for-14, 14 assists, four steals) was brilliant himself at handling a Bulls D that brought more consistent energy in the final three quarters than the lazy effort of the first. It was a typical Vinny Del Negro offense of pick n' rolls with a lot of standing around, but Paul takes the ball into the perfect spot to move the defense away from high-percentage targets and has the bigs to run a pick n' roll that seems unstoppable at times.
But Rose was tight just enough to force failed possessions to make up for his four turnovers. And without Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan on the floor, the Clippers offense becomes entirely transparent. Fortunately, Jordan was a foul machine limited to only 12 minutes in the second half.
Other than the Clippers' 7-0 run to start the game, they never scored more than five unanswered points during any other stretch of the game. In the meantime, the Bulls accumulated a 13-5 to end the first quarter, 7-2 and 10-2 runs in the second where Carlos Boozer showed his only signs of life, a 10-0 run in the fourth where Rose led the Bulls from an 87-84 lead to a 13-point near game-clinching lead with less than eight minutes remaining.
The Clippers are fun to watch. They're going to score a boatload per 100 possessions because Paul can hit any shooter on any end of the halfcourt if your defense is imbalanced; and when balanced, he'll exploit the mismatch with the talent surrounding him. But their entire interior defense depends on Jordan's aggressiveness; and without depth on the bench, it's just all that easy for aggressive players like Rose on the dribble or Joakim Noah on loose balls (or Luol Deng shooting 3s) to take 100 of the intimidation out of the D.
Overall fun game where all ten starters scored in double figures, but there was enough sloppy defense on both ends to make the eyes bleed. There's absolutely nothing fluid about the way the Clippers approach defense. It's simply man-on-man with sprinkles of zone play that results in guys just standing around. It isn't laziness, but a lack of direction. There are no second and third effort help tactics. None at all. I'll watch them as much as possible because they're gonna look unguardable, but there's also a lot of humor to take in with some sloppy messes. I mean, Brian Cook played 17 minutes, for Lord's sake.
- The 2-point shooting was bad. It usually is. That's why the long-2 is the worst shot in basketball. The Bulls were 7-for-22 (31.7%) from 16-to-23 feet from the basket.
- Richard Hamilton (16 points on 8-for-18, five rebounds, two assists) was pretty awful when he dribbled around, but brilliant creating off the ball. He alone was 3-for-9 on long-2s. Just taking so many shows there were court vision issues. When he takes that one dribble forward with a jumpshot toward the basket or finds space to catch n' shoot, he's everything you want him to be. Six of his eight buckets (two of three at the rim and all three long-2s) were assisted and anyone who watched could notice he did a lot of dribbling on his failed touches. When Boozer is useless, this is the risk, though.
- Deng in the low post is pretty nifty. He isn't a back-to-basket player, but the fact is that he's bigger than most small forwards (noticeably taller than the Bulls' starting power forward). The long arms that makes him an intimidating space-dominating defender helped him turn situations in traffic near the basket into easy buckets where he could get the ball near the rim. Last year, we saw a lot of basket cuts through the middle of the floor, but we're now seeing more baseline cuts (a la Ronnie Brewer) when the defense cheats their body at Rose. Only one of his three buckets at the rim were assisted because he uses his body to protect some dribbling as he gets into a spot to jump, but he's learning to establish post position. If he leans for easy buckets or gets to the line more instead of facing up to fade away, Rose's penetration will become all the more undefendable, as there's then a limit to how hard Deng can be pressed and eliminates the profitability of leaving him.
- Noah's toughness creating offense is so ugly that it's beautiful. He had 19 points because of his aggressiveness. Getting to the line for 10 attempts is crafty, hitting nine is an asset, along with 5-for-7 from the floor and four assists. Unfortunately, Blake (34 points on 14-for-25, 10-for-11 at the rim) pretty much had his way with Jo with and without the ball. Jo getting foul machines to hack him and making awesome passes through lazy defenses is great, but his decisions are consistently getting exploited on defense. When the energy guy has his energy used against him, problems arise.
Blake's a hell of a ball player and he makes the entire NBA look silly, but... but... come on! - Hot sauce alert. Kyle Korver (six points on 2-for-4, 2-for-3 on 3s, ten minutes) finally got some touches, as the Clippers were incapable of recovering on D.
- Ronnie Brewer's jumpshot is falling and not sure if that's a good thing. Brewer's disciplined enough to not jack up bad shots, so getting over-confident isn't a concern. What's of concern is teammates kicking out to him for too many bailouts. He's hit all three of his 3s this season and is 2-for-6 on long-2s (.722 eFG% on 16-plus -footers). It's not much of a sample, but a little over two long jumpers a game in limited playing time. Again, they're not bad spots to shoot, but we don't want him becoming an option on the perimeter in which his teammates have too much confidence.
- Rose got his first steal of the season. His defense hasn't been bad this year. I'd say it's been exactly what it's supposed to be in a Tom Thibodeau scheme of keeping his body in the right place and trusting the help enough to not foul too much. Friday, when the Clippers off-ball movement was disrupted by Jordan's foul trouble, Rose excelled about as much as one can against a CP3 with Blake being ridiculous and Clippers' shooters turning broken plays into successes hitting 7-of-15 3s.
- Boozer.... A good stretch in his second shift of the game and a hard foul to prevent Jordan's sixth dunk redeems him from unforgiving venom, but his game was bad. Ten points on 4-for-8 is efficient and the six rebounds in 30 minutes are kinda' meh, but he was almost entirely incapable of finding space in the halfcourt against a defense playing badly.
- Yes, Jordan had five dunks.
The Bulls get a night off before the Jan. 1 home opener against a Memphis Grizzlies squad that'll exploit every failure on defense.
Stats via Hoopdata.com.
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I think Noah just slipped
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 31, 2011 10:37 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
yeah, he did
I remember the play.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
that didn't stop the cockaholics at espn from laughing about it like griffin is some sort of behemoth allen iverson.
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it was stupid
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
this makes me wonder
why are there griffin highlights featured on a bulls blog?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 31, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't mind that there's an opposing team highlight
But if there’s only going to be one highlight play on a Bulls blog recap after a Bulls win, it seems that one should be of the winning team. If I wanted to watch Blake Griffin highlights followed by, “oh yeah the other team won”, I’d watch more sportscenter.
by runningman on Jan 1, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yet they did not dare to show the plays of DRose schooling CP3
by ajayflying23 on Dec 31, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
oh my god i know.
i despise espn like few other things.
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN blows
Unless you play in NY/LA, play on a superteam, say a lot of dumb shit, or get arrested a lot, ESPN has little use for you. A guy that just goes out night after night and balls out will never lead Sportscenter.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Which Rose did what about 5 to 6 times......which actually isn't that bad for a PG playing against Rose
but CP3, is supposed to be, “THE ULTIMATE PG,” according to ESPN, so it was still fun to watch CP3 get torched by Rose…..What was even funnier was when CP3, ignored questions about Rose after the game, HE WAS SOOO QUICK TO SAY its not a 1-1 battle…….IF I was him I would say the same thing…..Cause Chris YOU GOT SCHOOLED!!!……
Plus I only saw CP3 beat Rose once by himself…..which really speaks volumes of how Rose’s defense has really picked up since he came into the league….TIP of the Hat to THIBS and of course the humblebot’s hard work most likely has helped as well lol….The difference between the Clippers and the Bulls, besides the obvious depth, is the COACHING……VDN has absolutely no defensive scheme to offer to this team whatsoever…..and until they get a new coach and a little more depth, they will just be an extremely talented team who is pretty exciting to watch, but they will get nowhere in terms of the playoffs, or even if they make the playoffs. Thank God the Bulls FO got rid of VDN, otherwise unfortunately I think most of us fans would be saying the samething about our Bulls.
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by chicagobullies on Dec 31, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
He slipped but he got beat.
That was a dunk regardless, the slip just made it a highlite play.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
John Hollinger...
Bulls fans would like to have a word with you about this Paul > Rose nonsense.
I think Hollinger already came out and said he'd rather have Rose
its the other 45 writers at ESPN not named Ric Bucher you have to worry about.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 31, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
One thing to keep an eye on going forward is that right now
Deng and Hamilton are a combined 4/20 from the 3pt line so far. For the people itching to get rid of Korver, remember we are going to need guys to knock down 3s. Fortunately for us Brewer, Korver, CJ and Rose have picked up the slack. Brewer, Korver (7-12) and CJ have been especially sick from 3 pt range to start the season.
Hamilton shooting has been a bit off to start the season. I expect him to pick that up, especially from mid-range. But overall I think his play has been positive thus far. He gives the bulls a passing and fast break element they didn’t have last year. I think he can open up the paint for Boozer, Deng and Rose with his movement and passing
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 31, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
even his presence is a positive
we’re not playing 4 on 5 because someone has to watch out for him.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Boozer played a smart game
That’s enough for me. I only have a problem with him when he tries too hard. And if he had guarded Blake instead of Noah, with the same results, you and everyone else would have be screaming for his head. He’s not a star anymore, but he fits in just fine.
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Dec 31, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions
I agree
there weren’t really any ball-stopping possessions where it’s him trying to back a guy down for ten seconds before shooting a fadeaway. I like him a lot better when he’s finding the open spot and shooting in rhythm off a pass like he did in two possessions in a row in his good stretch and hit both shots. I think thats what he was doing during his best stretch last year.
by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 31, 2011 12:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
exactly
boozer is at his best (most effective) when he’s not trying to force his game. I believe him when he says he’s focusing on his defensive game (there was mention of this with a link somewhere). He’s already gotten paid, he made his second contract big time, so he doesn’t really need to pad his stats anymore, just fit in with the team philosophy and gun for a chip.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 31, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
He does look much better defensively.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
he still doesn't step out to help on a guard coming around a screen
though I do think Rose needs to work on getting through screens better, Boozer has to know he’s expected to step out and help.
by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 31, 2011 4:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
But he’s actually contesting shots and protecting the rim better, albeit in a small sample size. His hedging is awful though, I agree.
He’s still not very good, but he’s looking better.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
In defense of Boozer's defense
I think foot speed will always hold him back when hedging screens. No amount of hard work will help that.
by tuluse on Dec 31, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
he doesn’t want to come out hard because he knows he can’t recover, he also can’t get high enough to stop a pass over his head. He’s attempting to stay between his man and the basket.
by runningman on Dec 31, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont want him to hedge more
he just picks a spot halfway between his man and the guy he’s helping on, gets nervous, wiggles like a six year old who has to pee and inevitably gives up a basket. Its SO annoying. It’s not his foot speed, he just cant make decisions fast enough
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they weren't really getting him touches either.
He missed a couple easy ones. It happens. I’m probably one of the biggest Boozer supporters here, and I still think he’s just fine. He’ll eventually put together a stretch of 20 and 10’s.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
i think he has a trend of slow starter.
i know he did 2 or 3 years ago when he was on our fantasy team. he started putting up huge numbers in late december and didn’t really stop.
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think he'll be ok.
Looking at how good he was last December/January, you don’t lose all that in a year….
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 31, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Have they changed the rules on what constitutes a moving screen?
Because as far as I could tell, the Clippers (especially Griffin) were setting them all night to free up Paul, and there was never a single call.
Lebbeus clarehanna!
by Osaka on Dec 31, 2011 11:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I noticed that too
Griff almost on EVERY play
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
was he turning?
cause it seems like they never call those. but it does seem like ‘drifting’ screens are somehow legal.
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I was kind of wondering the same thing.
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this never gets called
If it did Garnett and Noah would never finish a game. It’s just a fact of life at this point.
They can have plenty
doesn’t really mean shit. 2 points is 2 points
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Good point Trey!
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 31, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
It has been a lobless recovery.
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by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 31, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
They had a few lobs.
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Its a joke here back when VDN was here
Deng: They had no dunks
VDN: Good point Lu!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Small Sample Size: Bulls are 2nd in the league in offensive efficiency
And one of only 2 teams to not have played a home game.
Kyle Korver has the best Ortg (by far, 152) on the team and the worst Drtg (111, Rose has 110).
DRose has the least shot attempts per game and highest efficiency of his career (IQ!) and the most assists. Also the most turnovers (I blame the referees).
Again: Small Sample Size.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Basketball I.Pooh.
by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 31, 2011 12:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 4 recs
Too early to tell, Clips are the worst defensive team in the league right now.
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I thought aside from the 1st quarter Noah played pretty solid defense on Griffin.
He scored a ton of points but every possession was a slog. There weren’t many chances for him to just charge down the lane for easy dunks.
Also, Rip’s passing really impressed me.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 31, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
nice recap, alex.
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Anyone think Thibs' comments about Rose not getting calls
had anything to do with Rose going to line for 11 attempts?
The Clippers didn’t think they fouled Rose most of the night.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
But they did foul him
I saw the replays.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he got one call where he wasn't fouled
and the LA guys made it a big point to call the refs out on it.
The refs waited for the shot to miss before they called the foul, too.
Hate the NBA refs for shit like that.
Personally, I do think the comments lead to the foul calls – because he is usually fouled this amount, but he does not always get these calls. It worked in our favor last night. That doesn’t mean that NBA refs aren’t dumb mules.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I think he clearly got fouled on the arm that play.
But yeah, the refs waited a long time to call it. I’m in agreement with you on working the refs. Its the least attractive part of basketball, but its still part of it.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
was that the one where he was fouled like 3 times on the way?
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
heh, does that narrow it down?
I just remember it being the play where the whistle was late and from mid-court and Vinny’s tie almost came off by itself.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
YEP
the late whistle thing is nothing new, too. i thought they’ve been waiting to see if the shot goes in before calling anything forever now. it just happens too much for it to be coincidence.
by obnoxious american on Dec 31, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
somewhere in the bowels of the NBA offices
David Stern finally said, “It’s time.” and added Rose’s name to the list of players who get calls
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not to keep hating on Paul... but...
This guy was ranked #4 by ESPN in the Top 100. Granted ESPN isn’t a great source, but I’m looking at Paul and he is out of shape, slow, didn’t attempt one three pointer, doesn’t get to the line, and played terrible defense aside from a few gamble steals…what is with the obsession with this guy?
His 08-09 season at the age of 23
was one of the greatest seasons of all time. For any position.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What does that have to do with current rankings?
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 31, 2011 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Paul, having played seasons like that.
Has a better reputation than Rose. It allows people to think, well, Paul will do it again next year, or, he just had a down year because of injuries and dumb teammates. Those rankings weren’t Hollinger, they were all reputation based.
The ESPN zeitgeist is starting to come around though: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34899/rose-growing-into-leagues-best-point-guard
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
The guy has court vision for miles.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
So does Rubio, even better actually (IMHO)...
But nobody is so dumb to rank him the #4 best player in the NBA.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 31, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'd put Rose and Westbrook ahead of him honestly.
He’s definitely lost a step.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 31, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I used to say that to, but I'm legitimately starting to think that Westbrook is a bit of a headcase
I used to just hate on him for fun (and because of all the Rose vs. Westbrook stuff), but there’s just something about that dude that seriously makes me wonder whether you can win with him at the point. A great pg should have a steadying influence on a team, and that guy just goes completely off the rails. You can tell just how much he cares about getting his, as opposed to helping his team
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Truth
My opinion of him really changed (I like him since he was @ UCLA) when he yelled at Ibaka for missing a shot that could have gotten him a triple double. Even tho his team was going to win the game. Then with secs left, rushed the ball up the court, passed it and got his cheap triple double that way.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
by chicity773 on Dec 31, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
do you remember when someone was talking about Rose vs Westbrook and their differences
who was our assistant coach who used to be for the thunder? He made very a sly reference to rose being about winning, while other players care about winning and their stats.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Ron Adams
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
Yeah, that was an awesome breakdown
I used to have it saved somewhere, but it’s gone now
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
NICE
Yeah, I love the way he broke that down. Nailed it.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Paul is still a monster
They’re just different players. Rose will always “look” superior simply because of the “wow” plays that he makes, but Chris Paul is a fucking wizard on the court. I’d gladly take either one
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
It may shock you, but basketball existed before 2010 when you jumped on the bandwagon.
Chris Paul is damn good and was robbed of an MVP in 2008.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 31, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
IN 2008…. it is now going to be 2012. He had a great year many years ago but he has definitely lost a step….still a great player though
Based on last year's Hornets team, and the Frankenstein monster that is the Clips
what with all these new guys and a lousy coach, I dont think it’s fair to make that judgement at all. It’s possible the injuries will permanently reduce his impact but until he has a decent set of circumstances to work with we wont know
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
So 5 years after the season you're still going to be making excuses?
I don’t buy it. If he’s truly the same player and it takes the perfect set of circumstances for him to reproduce that season, then it’s still accurate to say that’s not a true representation for the player he is today, since he has almost no chance of getting that perfect set of circumstances again.
Also, I don’t think the coach has any effect on a star’s offensive abilities. Can you name one offensive star that was held back by his coach?
by runningman on Jan 1, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
there's a difference between "perfect" and decent.
all i’m saying is I want the Clips to tighten up before I decide CP is no longer top tier.
a scorer might get better stats on a disorganized team, but a distributor needs an offense to run. Reaver makes a good point below about FT attempts tho.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Jan 1, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not claiming that Paul isn't top tier
He is. I just don’t believe he’ll ever come near those mythical seasons again, and it seems pretty clear that his playing style changed after the injury.
Paul never ran any fancy offense in New Orleans. He ran the same sets as everyone else, he simply ran them far better. I really don’t think Vinny can hold him back.
Based just on the Bulls’ game,
Paul obviously handles the ball as well as ever. I love how he calmly dribbles through crowds of defenders.
But I also think zero free throw attempts is meaningful. To me it says he’s not confident that he has the pain-free explosion in his legs to take it to the rim through a crowd lane.
If I had to summarize what's changed about his game
I would definitely say it’s his aggressiveness. I don’t know if it’s because he’s less explosive, is feeling pain, or is scared of getting injured again. He really picks his spots now.
I normally like your schtick ...
But, a lot of players used to be really good and no longer are; the initial poster was discussing relative player quality now, which – and this may blow your mind – doesn’t really have too goddamn much to do with what player was the best in 2007–08.
And yes, Paul is still awesome
But that isn’t the same as being the fourth best player in the NBA, which I don’t think he is currently.
Glad you touched on Brewer and Korver
but other than Rose I though they really were the keys to the game. If our guys spot up from three, Rose will find them. If they can make those shots, the offense is championship-caliber.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
Clips are really fun and entertaining
But are almost like a much more talented version of the kings….they are horribly immature (griffins a fantastic talent but he plays more for the flash and oh wow factor than the team—absolutely no d pressure, easy to force him into the long 2 which he can’t really hit, and push him away from the post where he is a better version of the pre injury STAT.)
Deandre Jordan plays D just for the block, he really didn’t impress on overall D but the blocks and his athleticism should help when he starts playing team ball).
Chris Paul is a fantastic player but even he seemed a bit too concerned with the stats—hoisting up some needless quick plays to pad his assists and not make the granted 1 game disparity not seem as dramatic in Roses favor.
Their bench is awful too, but Butlet and a healthy Mo W should help them.
The Bulls looked good, we weren’t using Boozer on O much but with Derrick playing like that we don’t need to—Boozers still a weapon—guys nerd to defend him which helps us, but itbe nice to use his easy basket game in our O.
Hamilton greatly impressed in the first half and it was only bc Brewer came on that he didn’t do as much in the 2nd half.
It will be interesting if a healthy Ronnie keeps up this play if Rip will get chippy like he did in Detroit, bc I can see them playing 28 for Rip 20 for Brewer. Hopefully Rip will buy into that, bc if he does I’d vote us as the favorites…we have no real positional weaknesses, though ideally I’d add one more backup big.
Watson had a poor game, our transitional D suffered at spots ESP early, and the fact that D Rose can play like that for his full what maybe 40 minutes has to have the other contenders a bit nervous.
His athleticism sparkled, the two best athletes on the court in Griffin and Rose but D’s body control simply amazed.
I’m giddy like an old fashioned school kid (the phrase giddy must have been pretty cool for school kids in say the late 1800’s-1900’s. I am sure if I was still a school kid today and said I was giddy I’d get the smack down, so take my giddiness with a grain of salt :).
Go bulls
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 1:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Also on the Griffin vs pre injury stat
Griffin is more explosive than even young Stoudemire was in the post, but Amare was a smarter player than current Blake.
It will be interesting to see how Blake matures, if he buys in, he’ll be a parental MVP candidate, but despite the talent he’s not there this yr—though he’s a monster in fantasy ball and a lock top 5 power forward
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
pre-injury stat
had whole seasons with an in-prime Nash. I think Paul and Griffin will need time to gel, but even then it does seem like there’s some maturing he can do. He seems to in general have his head on his shoulders though, and losing like last night will push that maturity process along.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm worried about a parental MVP candidate
lol you mean perennial, methinks
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I’ll have a lot of those things this yr
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 5:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
iPhone autospell
I’ll have a lot of those things this yr
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you typed that mammoth comment on an iPhone? that's dedication
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by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Baby watching….does it to ya plus I’m a quick iphoner
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 10:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Griffin looked like he was trying to be steve francis
that guy dribbled way too much for a big man. Dont remember him playing like that last season.
buying into his own hype
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that was the angle Neil took while shitting all over him, at least
gets trickier to do that when the guy is on his way to 30 & 12 or whatever
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by paddyfairview on Dec 31, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Idk what's worse
Boozer’s defense or Griffin’s Defense….Seriously, how the fuck are you that atheletic and yet D Rose a point guard (a freak of nature but still a PG) have more blocks than you…I remember thar play when deng was going up for a layup and blake was right there and did nothing….
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Blake has no excuse
With as athletic as he is.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 31, 2011 1:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Clippers Defense
Also, everytime Jordan or Griffin dunked the ball, they kind of just stood there and posed rather than getting back into a defensive scheme. A good coach would stop that kind of stuff, but obviously they dont have one.
Griffins also got a huge ego,
He needs to grow up and mature… And Jordan griffin and Paul seem more conceerned with “lob city” than winning in pro ball against a legit contender, I mean in the 4th when they were down 12-15 with 4-6 min left, griffin had a monster dunk and posed as if he secured their win.
VDN or any coach ain’t gonna chg that without a few more big clipper losses or maybe a real offseason working with the team.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
by majoyenrac on Dec 31, 2011 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Can we change coaches?
I’ll throw in a hundred bucks.
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Yeah, I hate to say it, but I really believe that will be the one thing that holds you guys back this year
Vinny has some decent qualities, but he is not the guy you want in charge of all that talent. He has absolutely no clue what to do with it.
Also, he couldn’t teach defense if his life depended on it, and I think that is clearly the next step in Blake’s development. He has to get better on that end if he wants to make a serious run. He is a monster, but there’s gonna be a lot of monsters in the playoffs, and they’ll have no issue scoring on that frontcourt (Jordan is nice, but he goes for highlight blocks a little too much instead of playing sound D)
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Lol, why do you hate to say it?
I love to say it. I don’t like the Clippers and I’m happy they’re stuck with that idiot of a coach.
by dakoose on Dec 31, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I just meant I hate to say it to that guy, he seems like good people
I like commenters from other boards that don’t come over and start shit. Not nearly enough imo. It was really more of a figure of speech though, I don’t care how the Clippers do (although I’d kinda like to see them take out the Thunder)
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Blake is at fault for his poor defense, too.
He should be able to screw around and pick up a couple of blocks per game.
Thats what I don't get
How the fuck a freak of nature like that don’t get blocks? It’s damn near unreal. lol
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I think it's much in the same way that Derrick doesn't get steals
It’s not as easy as being super athletic, or really fast. You have to be good at that particular skill.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 31, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
that and
they’re both players that have probably never been benched for bad defense in their lives.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 31, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Luckily Derrick doesn't have to be bench to buy-in
Or, at least, it has seemed that way so far in his career. #justwantstoweeun
Guys, a Rasual Butler Bulls' jersey at a Marquette game.
"Why can't Chapu be MVP of the league?" - Derrick Rose
The guy wearing the Rasual Butler jersey is actually Rasual Butler himself. Confirmed.
by Wake on Dec 31, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 31, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Did anyone else love the Korver/Rip combo?
I know it wouldn’t work against a lot of teams defensively, but it really screws with the other team when u have 2 guys capable of coming off screens for jump shots
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Dec 31, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Yup, I enjoyed seeing them both on the court at the same time as well.
One day you feel like you're on top of the world when you beat the Lakers and then the next night you lose against Golden State. - Joakim Noah

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