Bulls at Los Angeles Clippers: 2011-12 Game Preview #4
by paddyfairview on Dec 30, 2011 5:45 PM CST
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Print[Thanks to paddyfairview for today's game preview. Gamethread up at 9:37. -ed.]
Just five days after Rose's game-winner (and Deng's heroics) in the season opener, it's back to the Staples Center for a Friday night showdown against the suddenly-relevent Clippers. Before we get to the matchups, a few words about an old friend:
According to both the eye test and advanced metrics, Vinny Del Negro is the luckiest sonofabitch in the universe. After transitioning from marginal NBA talent and radio announcer to head coach of an exciting team featuring the rookie of the year, he was savvy enough to get into a fistfight with his boss (can you think of a less compelling fight between two ex-NBA players than John Paxson vs. Vinny Del Negro?) and got the boot just as the team was clearing cap space to sign a superstar. Shunted off to the NBA backwater that is the Clippers organization, he now finds himself in the lowly position of...head coach of an exciting team featuring the rookie of the year. Which incidentally just acquired a superstar in Chris Paul. Along the way he's landed several lucrative hair-product endorsement deals, not to mention a ladyfriend who could help Mrs. Pippen put the Luv-A-Bulls to shame. Guess that's what happens when you're mediocre-to-downright-terrible at your job.
It was pretty sickening to see the on-their-way-to-32-wins LAC squad walking out of the UC with a victory last season, even if the Bulls did do everything in their power to give the game away. The loss was avenged to some degree with a blowout at Staples a month and a half later, but giving that first one to Vinny still stings. The Clippers look to be a much more respectable team this year, but it will never not suck to lose to a VDN-coached team.
So far this season the Clips have handily defeated our nemeses the Warriors (though they looked pretty shaky in the first half and took advantage of poor shooting and terrible defense by GSW in the second to lock up the win) and then been handily defeated themselves by the Spurs in San Antonio. A newly-constructed and not necessarily disciplined team with few defensive assets isn't going to beat a Popovich team, and Golden State not playing D isn't news, so there's not a lot concrete we can take from LA's two previous games. They'll need time to get used to one another's games, though Paul and Billups' pretty miserable shooting should improve in the short term.
They've got Star Power, but the Bulls actually match up against the Clips pretty well. Let's take a look:
Point Guard: Derrick Rose vs. Chris Paul is never not something to tune in for, and though the purists (and others, I suppose) still like Paul as the best PG, Derrick came out on top at their last meeting, with 23 points on 15 shots and four boards to Paul's 15 points on 3-for-10 shooting (each had six assists). We all know Paul is an artful passer and an efficient and mostly mistake-free player, but if the Bulls team defense is up to snuff he'll have to shoot well to come out on top. With DeAndre Jordan as pretty much the only credible basket-protector for the Clips, and with a lot of old/undersized/unwilling defenders on the wings, there's no reason Rose shouldn't have a good night.
Shooting Guard: Ah, it's good to have something relevant to say about this position. Rip Hamilton looks to be a pretty consistent scoring threat, and he should be a big pain in his old buddy Chauncey's old ass. As for Mr. Big Shot, he was 6-19 on Christmas and 2-5 in fewer minutes against the Spurs, so unless he gets going he'll be sagged off like his name is Rajon "Fuck" Rondo. We may be seeing more Mo Williams here if he continues to stink it up.
Small Forward: Considering he signed for eight million per, it seems unlikely that Caron Butler was ever close to being a Bull, but expect stormy weather here at BaB if he has a better night than Rip. He's a good two-way player, but he hasn't had a big offensive night yet. I dont expect him to against the almost-inhuman Luol Deng, who continues to be everywhere at once.
Power Forward: Carlos Boozer hasn't looked bad, but unless he plays out of his mind this is going to be all about Blake Griffin. I'm assuming that Booz will be responsible mostly for offensively-challenged DeAndre Jordan on the defensive end, leaving Noah to deal with Blake "The Barbarian" (anyone remember that nickname guy? LOL), who had 28 & 9 on Wednesday. I'm looking forward to Omer denying him a big dunk, but given Boozer's record against shot-blockers, I fear it will be the Bulls on the wrong end of a few good swats.
Center: Stupid big man market. The $$$$ might not show it, but Noah is a significantly better player than DeAndre Jordan in almost every way. Or at least he's supposed to be - I'm still waiting on November 2010 Noah to show up and drop 14 and 17. Short of that, I hope he can stay out of foul trouble and hit a few improbable 15 footers. Come back, Beast Mode Noah, we miss you.
Bench: No contest here. The Bench Mob has its weaknesses but the Clips are very thin, especially up front. They signed Reggie Evans, but he hasn't played a minute yet, and Brian Cook, Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye shouldn't strike fear into anyone's heart.
Both the offense and defense have been pretty inconsistent so far for the Bulls. They'll need to establish their offense early, getting out on the break and not allowing things to grind to a halt, and play good team defense against the Clips offensively-potent starting lineup if they want to win. If they continue to foul and turn the ball over, or if the stress of a back-to-back puts them a step behind the well-rested Clippers, then Vinny will once again have the last laugh.
Please, guys, don't let Vinny have the last laugh.
Game is at 9:30 on WGN and NBATV.
Smack talk goes here: Clips Nation
Go Bulls!
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rose has never lost to paul.
let’s not start now!
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Nice preview
Still have no feel for this team whatsoever. They could get their ass kicked, or they could go out and win easily, neither would be a huge surprise at this point. Don’t like the fact that the Clippers have been sitting around stewing about a loss, while we’ll be on a back to back, and playing in their home opener.
Winning this game would be a huge sign that this team has the potential to be what we’d hoped. Looking for Rip and Rose to have big games, and hoping that our frontcourt can keep the obnoxious dunks to a minimum.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
I think the key will be something boring - offensive rebounding
I think the Bulls are going to be able to force the Clps to shoot a low percentage in the halfcourt. They have to follow that up by keeping Griffin and Jordan off the boards. If the Bulls stop the Offensive rebounds and prevent the Clips from fastbreaking, they should win.
I think the Clips are vulnerable on D (of course, they are coached by VDN) outside of Jordan’s shot blocking. They could be susceptible to our movement and passing.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions
Don't Sleep on DeAndre Jordan
The dude is long and athletic, and although he has an extremely limited offensive game, I can see him becoming a dark horse candidate for defensive player of the year.
I saw a team successfully employ a "hack-a-Deandre" strategy in one of their games (forgot what team, it was their first game, I think)
He’s a horrid free throw shooter (although I agree with you that he has crazy defensive potential). I would hope that Thibs is aware of that, and not to to proud in his defense to give that a shot if the situation called for it
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not that successfully.
It was the Warriors, and they lost by a bunch. But yes, for a few minutes it stopped the bleeding and frustrated the hell out of Jordan.
Right, I didn't mean "successfully", as in, they won the game. I meant, they tried it, and it worked as it was intended
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Is it wrong to except a very good matchup? Because I'm feeling dread. Utter dread.
Jets, Cowboys, Mets, Islanders, Bulls & Clippers
I don't know what to expect.
It’s too early in the season, too many unknown quantities. Both teams have had an easy win and a bad loss. I wouldn’t be surprised by any result tonight.
my seat for tonight's game
already disgusted at the amount of bandwagon fans i’m about to encounter…
by shutupdrogba on Dec 30, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bandwaggon Clips or Bulls fans? Cause I like both. You can thank Elton for the former.
It… Won’t be fun to watch
Jets, Cowboys, Mets, Islanders, Bulls & Clippers
I hate you
give me your tickets
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
nice
Sec 334 here…let’s go Bulls
by NormVanBeer on Dec 30, 2011 9:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
noah vs griff will get huffy
Clippers fan here…
MoWill is our spark off the bench, don’t sleep on him…he’s got a chip on his shoulder due to losing his starting spot to Billups.
both physical dudes…griff doesn’t like to get pushed around and that’s what noah does well…
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
Good point about Moe
He’s been shooting lights out and has a history of shooting well against the Bulls.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 30, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I really like Williams in that role
I’m sure he much prefers to be a starter, but if he embraces this, I could see him as a Jason Terry type with the Clips or some other contender.
That’s the thing that worries me about this game. I haven’t seen much of the Clippers yet (nobody has, really), but they seem like the type of team that gives the Bulls trouble. Multiple shooters that share the ball, and an athletic frontcourt.
I think this’ll be a close game. I’m leaning toward thinking the Clips will win, but I have a feelling Rose is ready to have a huge game after a so-so start. Looking forward to this one.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody to D-up Rose
Eric Gordon used to be our go to guys for Rose-type players…Billups and Paul will get schooled by Rose. DJ should feast on Booz’s weak D.
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
by Lawler's Law on Dec 30, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, Boozer had a block... sort of... last night.
He stuck his hand out, without leaving the floor, and it managed to make contact with the ball.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
he had a block against mcroberts in the lakers game too!
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Yeah
I was checking my fantasy basketball stats today and was surprised to see that Boozer has two blocks on the year already. On pace for a career best.
I don't think Vinny was a terrible coach
He certainly wasn’t a “good” coach, but he was not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. I think he was very average, so his .500 record with the Bulls was appropriate. The Bulls made the playoffs in each of his years here, so what more do you want? Rose wasn’t the player he is now and the team’s overal personnel was worse during his tenure. Would Phil Jackson have coaxed 2 more wins out of those teams?
Yes, Phil Jackson would have coaxed more wins out of those teams.
That being said, no coach is so important that he can overcome bad players or totally screw up good players.
i liked vinny
Hair, cliches and all…imo dantoni’s worse
by Belize on Dec 30, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rubio is great TV!!!
He’s put the wolves up on HEAT late in the 1st half.
Wow I turned away from that game
Hot damn!
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Wait, is he not starting? If not, why?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
yeah not starting.
But I’m not going to question Rick Adelman on that one. Luke Ridnour has to get minutes somehow.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
This is that "veterans play because they're veterans" crap.
No reason in hell that kid shouldn’t start and get big minutes.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
he's still getting decent minutes.
15 minutes in the first half … 30 mins for the game?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but he's not some hot shooter off the bench
This is your floor general that makes your offense go. He makes everyone better. Those guys start just like Rose, Wall on any other PG.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Ridenour is throwing the game away as we speak
That’s why you start your second best player
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
yeah that was bad.
I hate it too, all I’m saying is that Adelman is a great coach. He’s got reasons I’m sure. I don’t see how Rubio isn’t starting soon.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
No Adelmans Fault!
is what it comes down too.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is just a case of a verteran coach overthinking things
With the team they have, Rubio’s gotta start. He’s going with the old school “He’s gotta earn it” bullshit. Silly. Imagine if Vinny started Hinrich over Rose. Maybe he’d be right that Hinrich’s veteran savvy temporarily gave them a better shot to win, but in the big picture, it’s a stupid move
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
he's about the complete opposite of Rose
in terms of style at the pg position.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's really getting kinda ridiculous how many good point guards there are in the NBA
kinda devalues the position imo
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
I don't buy that
The Wolves aren’t doing shit this year. Play the kid. plus, if he’s any good, he should easily be better than Ridnour.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
thats what im saying
what do the wolves gain long term by playing ridenour?
Chuck just said the Bulls are the best team
in the NBA. Nice to see he’s still high on this team from last year.
by TRIPPLE OT on Dec 30, 2011 8:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
What channel was he on?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
It was a replay from last night
It’s been on several of the League pass channels when they go to halftime
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Oh, ok. Thanks
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I know I sound like a broken record
but Marshon Brooks really looks good and I just shake my head thinking what Thibs could of done with him on defensive and offensive sets.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 30, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So the great Heat
beat a Dallas team that everyone is beating, a broke down Celtics team, barely beat a bad Charlotte team, and are struggling with the Timberwolves. All of a sudden a loss to an improving Golden State team on the road doesn’t bother me so much.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 30, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Kyrie Irving just missed a bunny layup to win the game at the buzzer
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Man, the Wiz suck.
And not only do they suck, but their #1 draft pick has been extremely mediocre. Flip’s gotta be gone soon.
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Flip already threw them under the bus
Judging by this game against Milwaukee, they’ve already quit on Flip.
There's a free preview on League Pass right now...
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
Think so. Thought I heard it ends on the 5th or 6th
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
:(
jadande J.A. Adande
Chauncey Billups (sore groin) won’t play for the Clippers tonight
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Rookie mistake aside Marshon Brooks is the goods
21pts , 4 rebs, 2 ast on 8/14 shooting. He’s the real deal and GarPax passed on him. I’m turning into Sin and I don’t care. I can’t believe we passed on a young SG in the draft. Unbelievable.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I’m turning into Sin and I don’t care
lol
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Ridnour should never start over Rubio after this game
The Wolves have been ten times better with Rubio at point tonight.
Rubio is so damn good
Because that ball goes where it needs to go in stride.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
He really is something
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
His shot doesn't look broke at all. He'll get better.
And really, how many point guards post up anymore?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to tell against the heat cause of their PG situation.
He’s been pretty good against Cole.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't seen him get embarrassed yet and he stays in front of his man
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Looks pretty solid to me
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Rubio is special
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Aren't we all waiting for them to lose it?
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Stupid American Idol commercials are stupid
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Lebron's been in the league about 8 years now, and he still feels the need to act like a douche after every jump shot
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
the arrogance of that guy is amazing
that is why people don’t like him. He mugs and smiles after every 15 ft jumper. Just play
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 30, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I love that Rubio dictates as a passer
He’s going to decide what happens offensively, not your defense. It’s early but there aren’t too many PGs with his vision in the league right now.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Let's go Wolves!
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
Man, he's REALLY good
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
He's fun
He’s must see TV like Rose. They have different games but I respect both
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
TBH I think I prefer Rubio's style
but I love Rose anyways.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Doesn't hurt that he has one of the coolest sports names around
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
going to buy a Rubio jersey
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
by BULLysh on Dec 30, 2011 9:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hate the fact that I'm gonna have to hear rumors about this guy going to the Knicks for the next three years
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the continuation was fine.
two steps and all that. But he lowered his shoulder into a stationary defender.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, I think it was a pretty good call
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
Man, someone tell Haslem to put the fucking mouthguard in his mouth
Shit is ridiculously annoying
Sadly, my self worth is almost entirely based upon the outcome of the previous night's Bulls game.
Where is this game airing in chicago?
Is it on the air or in cable?
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
WGN eh. ... Damn, it isn't showing the wolves game. BECAUSE IT HATES ME.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Oh, thought you meant the Clips/Bulls
it’s on NBA TV
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 30, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I was kind of meaning both.
Alas. I have the bulls game on now though. :P
That $4 antenna was the best investment ever.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
wade with the last shot
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
called it..haha!
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
by BULLysh on Dec 30, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the Clippers' home opener, isn't it?
We better have our A game
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
superstar calls and a lack of center for minny.
Plus Rubio played rookie defense on that last possession.
by Khalid El-Amin on Dec 30, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
When and where Rubio gives you the ball you shoot it
I don’t understand that second dribble
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
i can't believe ellington didn't pass that to Love
he was wide open
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 30, 2011 9:29 PM CST reply actions
love was open right there!
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
It seriously feels like Ben Gordon went to play overseas or something
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
His career is being derailed
playing for a terrible organization but he made the choice. He’s a rich man.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
anyone have an HD link for Bulls-Clips?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 30, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions
I think it's on NBATV tonight
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 30, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
and WGN america!!! fuck yeah
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I'm actually hoping it's Funk and Stacey on NBAtv tonight. still haven't heard them this season.
also, for what they charge for league pass, you’d think all the games would be aired in HD at this point.
by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
fuckin heat.
no help d on that wade oop. rubio played like a rookie on d. rubio needs to start for that team they’re a whole different team with him on the floor.
by TRIPPLE OT on Dec 30, 2011 9:45 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Rubio, Rubio, Ru-bi-oooooooo!!!
by BULLieving in Miami on Dec 30, 2011 9:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
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